Well, for my part I am not calling for war. I am calling for us to remain in peace, while spending money, generated by our peacetime economy, to arm the Ukrainians to fight THEIR war against Russia and destroy the Russians. We don't have to go to war to accomplish that. They'll do the fighting - have to, to keep their country.

Russia has already bitten off more than they can chew. They know that they would be plowed under if they attacked NATO, and would only be able to stop being conquered by committing suicide with nuclear weapons if they started it.

So, I'm for peace for us, war for the Russians, because the Russians chose war, therefore, I say give them their fill of it!

And as for Israel? Well, I'd just as soon not send them any more military aid than we already do. They are so ridiculously overpowered versus Hamas that it isn't funny. American financial support for Israel's war is not a matter of real defense, it's a matter of political pandering to the pro- Israel crowd in the US in an election year. I'd just as soon save that money, or send it to Ukraine. Israel can't lose on the battlefield. What they're doing guarantees they won't win and have peace either. There can't be any peace in a land where everybody is a religious fanatic of one stripe or another, and nobody will give an inch because "God says!"

No, he doesn't. And SINCE God isn't going to intervene on either side, they're just going to grind on forever, killing each other until Kingdom Come. I'm not interested in it, and don't want to spend any MORE money on it than we already do.

We NEED Ukraine to win; it is good for us and our allies. Israel is going to win anyway, so save then money. Of course, the Democrats will just spend that money on illegal aliens, but at least that puts the money back in the US economy.

We NEED Ukraine to win

No we don't.

I hope Speaker Johnson holds the line and says fuck Ukraine until our own border is secure. Our border is more important to us than Ukraines a thousand fold. DEPORT DEPROT DEPORT until they are all gone. Make America mostly black and white again.

Rand Paul is right again.

youtu.be/BlAMHbQR3lM?t=43

Yeah we do. We have to do both: close our border AND ensure Ukraine wins. In World War II we had to defeat Germany AND Japan. Same thing here.

If you are willing to send your daughter to Ukraine than I will believe it is important to you. Otherwise I don't give a shit about Ukraine or the dick playing Pianists that they have for leader.

He is a liberal who believes in faggot marriage and transfaggots. Fuck him.

He also cancels elections. Forces people to the front lines without proper training.

So when you send your kids there I will believe you. Maybe.

I don't want ANY Americans to go to Ukraine. None. Zero. No American casualties.

I want American money and equipment to go there, in large numbers, so that Ukrainians can do all the fighting and ultimately crush the Russians.

American money is not at all the same thing as American flesh and blood.

Unfortunately, no amount of American money and Ukrainians' blood will conceivably result in "crushing the Russians". The best we can hope for is fighting for some nebulous "upper hand" in the inevitable peace negotiations, which increasing numbers of Americans are favoring sooner rather than later...MUD

As for Israel, I agree that there is no rush to fund Israel's eradication of the Hamas terror threat, but we need to do our part to see that the IDF has access to the ammo and weapons systems required to accomplish their task.

That said, the US must be prepared to punish Iran if they dramatically widen the scope of the Middle Eastern war...MUD

Sure, IF Iran attacks, we need to punch. But the Houthis, 1000 miles from Iran, being idiots and hosing off missiles at ships - and missing because they're SUCH primitives? That's not "Iran" any more than Israel is America.

Sure, the Iranians fund some of it. They're a nasty bunch. But no way could I agree to attack Iran because of what some tribe in Yemen does, or the Palestinians do in Israel.

The only effective attack we could do in Iran (I assume we will not muster a 2 million man army to invade and occupy it), would be to blow up their oil facilities on Kharg Island. Yes, we could do that, but at the cost of a huge spike on oil prices and economic disaster for our allies.

So, if Iran directly attacks us, yeah, we have to retaliate. But when they don't (and they're not stupid, they won't), then there's really nothing to be done but smash ants. We can't do ourselves any good by half-assedly striking Iran, it will make or lives worse, and we're never going to muster an army to INVADE Iran.

Iran is just one of those things we are going to have to grit our teeth over forever. We don't want the self-inflicted disaster.

Without a genocide, Israel CAN'T eradicate the threat. They can kill all of the current soldiers of Hamas (doubtful), but there are 1.5 million people in the Gaza, and those ranks will refill. Remember the German resentment after World War I? Yep. And these people think God is on their side.

The immediate fighting will stop sooner or later, and the anti-Israelis will rebuild, just like Germany did. Or Russia.

It's another goddamned forever war.

I have to disagree with you about Russia. They have not only done terribly in the field in this war, their economy is moribund, and their demographics are a disaster.

They don't have unlimited tanks or artillery, while the Ukraine does. And, to be clear, the Russians have to provide for every aspect of their war effort. The Ukrainians just have to fight - they are economically supported by the West, which has an economy about 30 times the Russians.

Russia is big. It takes a long time to hollow it out, but it is being hollowed out. This acts as a deterrent to everybody else. The Chinese see what is happening, and don't dare launch an invasion of Taiwan.

unlimited tanks or artillery, while the Ukraine does.

Another lie. You want our kids to pay for them. We don't have unlimited resources.

We are currently at over 200,000 dollars of debt for every working person.

When will you get your head out of your ass. 300,000. 400,000. A million? Never probably.

Fuck Ukraine and the guy who plays a piano with his dick.

I guess you like it they don't have elections in Ukraine anymore too huh.

Chronicallyl wrong Vic lizard king.

The only effective attack we could do in Iran (I assume we will not muster a 2 million man army to invade and occupy it), would be to blow up their oil facilities on Kharg Island. Yes, we could do that, but at the cost of a huge spike on oil prices and economic disaster for our allies.

Who are our allies? France? Fuck France. They are a muslim hell hole.

NATO, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, etc., etc.

You are filled with hate. If we fuck our allies, we will be much, much poorer in the end. You're not helping our children by turning on the world when right now most of the world is on your side.

This lets us travel and trade everywhere, and has created a huge zone for democracy. Implode that, and you'll end up soon enough being where we would have been had Germany and Japan been allowed to just win World War II. In that world, you think they wouldn't interfere in our hemisphere? Sure, if we submitted to them. Want to do that, submit to other nations? No? Well then you have to pay for alliances and securities, and yeah, that DOES burden your society with costs. There's no such thing as a free lunch. The Latinos don't like us, but presently, we're the only game in town. If Europe and Asia are united by aggressive powers against the US, you can bet your sweet bippy they will reach out to Latin America, and Latin America, with no reason to love us due to history, will turn to them. And then we will face our adversaries HERE, in "our" hemisphere. It's not REALLY our hemisphere.

There's no way out of the box, and people won't just leave you alone. We don't face war stress here BECAUSE we have allies. Piss that away because of short-sighted and stupid isolationism, and you end up back where we were in 1941.

"Without a genocide, Israel CAN'T eradicate the threat."

Your point is valid...the born & bred hatred will never be eradicated via military action. However, post-WWII, the Marshall Plan somehow succeeded in transforming the Japanese people from our mortal enemies to trusted allies. Not saying I am predicting a similar result in the Middle East, but there must be lessons learned that could be applied to hopefully get us closer to that goal.

I know one thing, Israel cannot afford to continue to permit Hamas to use the Gaza education system to brainwash young Gazans with anti-Semitic propaganda...MUD

You are filled with hate.

No I am not. I am filled with love.

You on the other hand hate your grandchildren and you want them to live in a third world country filled with debt. The deficit is going up a trillion dollars every hundred days.

Here is another Bible verse from God that you think is made up.

Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.

This lets us travel and trade everywhere, and has created a huge zone for democracy.

We trade with China who is communist. It isn't to our advantage to ship our jobs to communists.

If we fuck our allies,

Are you a dual citizen? Because you don't speak for the majority of Americans.

Well, but, the Japanese may have been fanatical, but it was Emperor worship, and we - wisely - let the Emperor keep his throne. HE commanded that Japan cooperate with the US, and so they did. Nobody was going to defy their God. That worked out for us BECAUSE of Japanese religion. We defeated their fleet and Tojo, but their God-Emperor we left in place. Smart. Today, the Japanese call World War II "The Mistake". They see Japan is better off than it would have been, and that the US is THE ally to have, because we don't WANT to rule them, and we helped them get right back up.

Germany was a Christian country. They had the snot beaten out of them, and had a choice: submission to the Communists, or cooperation with the West. That's an easy call.

But the Middle East? Oof. You've got Jews who really believe themselves to be the Chosen People with a right to the entirety of the land. Some say no, but the strategy of those who do has effectively expanded their control. And then you have Muslims...Muslims who defeated the British and French Empires, driving them out, and the Soviet Union, and most recently, the United States.

Sure, rah-rah Americans can say, as they do about Vietnam, that we "never lost a battle". True. But we lost the war. We pulled out and left the bad guys to rule. The Afghanistan withdrawal was a visible crushing defeat of 20 years of US strategy. There's no fig leaf to hang on it. They didn't "whip our ass". Rather, they simply are willing, for their God, to die ENDLESSLY - our choices were (a) Genocide, (b) forever war, or (c) defeat. We're Christians, we CAN'T do genocide. So our choices were forever war or defeat. We chose defeat, because forever war over a Muslim shit hole is simply not WORTH it.

Jews and Muslims are similarly fanatical for their concept of God - and the Jews, unlike us, cannot back out and leave. The Muslims will never be defeated, and never stop fighting. So it's forever war, period, at least until the United States gets sick of it and stops supporting Israel, like we are edging towards in Ukraine. If we do it Ukraine, Russia wins. If we do it in Israel, the Muslims win.

I don't CARE about the Muslims, and I'm not a fan of Jewish fanaticism either. I DO care about Europe and the Ukrainians. Unlike the Muslims, the Russians do not have the capacity to die forever. They CAN be ground down and defeated. They were in World War I and in the Cold War. We can actually WIN in Ukraine. We can never win in Israel or the Middle East. Genocide is the only option for victory, and we can't do that - literally can't even talk about it.

So, Israel/Muslims is a forever, and ever, and ever war. Ukraine is winnable, and far more important. What DIFFERENCE does it make how the Israelis do? (Except of course to wierd American religious fanatics who cannot be reasoned with, and who - if you try to even talk with them, will call you a liar and vicious names? You cannot reason with religious fanatics, Jewish, Muslim OR Christian. And you shouldn't even try.)

I don't? We'll see about that in the next election.

Stone - you are constantly insulting, and spew lies about a man you don't even know. You think differently, therefore you treat me like shit. Consistently. As you have aged, we sometimes start having what begin to seem like reasonable conversations, but then you turn into a foul mouthed juvenile, and just start hurling abuse. You are way, way too old to keep doing this, and I'm too old to put up with your shit.

Stow the abuse, now, and speak to me with the respect I deserve. If you don't agree with what I have to say, say that, and explain why, respectfully, instead of flinging shit and calling me a monkey-fucker. If you were 14 it might be cute, and at 24 it might be edgy. At 55, it makes you sound like an abusive child. I'm sick of it and won't engage with it anymore. Not worth it. You want to actually talk and maybe learn something? Then apologize and fly right. No more of this crap. If you can't do that, then our conversations are done.