This is an important reminder to be cautious of what you see online.

They sent this message to you, Deckard.

While many believed the post at face value, others that knew the family personally attempted to stop the misinformation from spreading.

Yep, ole gullible cop-hating Deckard went for it hook, line and sinker.

For instance, she said DCS had been involved with the family multiple times.

Oh, does that surprise you Deckard?

It doesn't me ...

However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report.

There goes your "mention" bullshit out the window, Deckard.

The ND BELIEVED that Heder had meningitis.

BELIEVED, YOU ASSHOLE.

However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report.

However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report.

However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report.

However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report.

However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report.

However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report.

Did you GET that, Deckard?

Or do I need to repeat it a few more time for clarity?

I am so pleased that I continue to fact check.

And I am more grateful that nolu chan also does....and does a much better job that I.

Inside the home, the police say they found all three children sick and symptomatic.

I expected this to be the case all along.

Inside the home, the police say they found all three children sick and symptomatic.

I did not expect that.

Pathetic, Deckard....PATHETIC.

The police report indicated that the home had clutter all over the floor which made it difficult to walk. In one of the children’s bedroom, authorities found vomit all over the beds. The couple admitted the children had vomited several times and they had not cleaned up the mess.

Disgusting, Deckard....Absolutely DISGUtSTING.

Vomiting is ONE of the symptoms of Meningitis.

I stated on the other thread that the couple NEVER mentioned anything about other symptoms.

The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms.

The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms.

The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms.

The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms.

You reading this, Deckard.

Do you understand it?

Do you know what "not unfounded" means?

Good job DCS.

Good job officers.

Good night everyone.

Harvard Immunologist to Legislators: Unvaccinated Children Pose ZERO Risk to Anyone

Toby Downes Instead of anti-vaxxers I thought we were now calling them "pro-disease" or "plague enthusiasts"...?

www.iflscience.com/health...tivaxxers-are-the-latest- villains-in-an-extremely-popular-online-game/

Inside the home, the police say they found all three children sick and symptomatic.

I did not expect that.

Keeping sick kids at home is NOT A CRIME, you police-state loving socialist!

Vomiting is ONE of the symptoms of Meningitis.

It's also a symptom of the common flu and other childhood maladies.The fact remains - the child was in NO DANGER as the fever was already going down when the family left the hospital.

But by all means - keep patting yourself on the back for your truly pathetic attempts to marginalize this family and portray CPS and cops as heroes

Your numerous posts to me in particular smacks of impotent desperation.

If the kid had meningitis he should be at the doctor and any kid that isn't taken to the hospital is being abused.

The video on another thread of the cops raiding the place seemed excessive. But still the kid needed to be treated if that is in fact what he had.

Yep, Stone, there was DEFINITELY MORE to the story....as you suggested there woud be.

Oh my sides!

This is a completely different story than what I posted. You are posting this bullshit piece in order to deflect from your ass-whipping on the original thread.

So desperate...so sad.

Are you vaccinated?

I was as a child and then again while in the Air Force.

I haven't gotten a flu shot in decades and have had the flu maybe twice in that period.

Do you have children? Did you get them vaccinated? Or would you if you did?

Keeping sick kids at home is NOT A CRIME ...

Oh, but it DEFINITELY is in some cases. Check it out.

While it may not have been a crime here, it was stupid because:

The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms.

I caught meningitis in Aug or Sept of 2016. I think that year is correct. I thought it was the flu for a few days. Then I felt like I was going to die or something and I went to the doctors finally. They found out what I had and treated it.

Seems we have at least something in common. It appears that neither one of us will go to a doctor until we are at deaths door.

I had a similar incident - tired, shortness of breath, persistent dry cough, thought it was just a cold until my GF at the time convinced me to see a doctor.

Turned out to be pnemonia. Took antibiotics for five days, stayed home from work.

This was six years ago.

I started having the same symptoms a month or so ago, so I knew it was serious so I went to the doctor right away.

I don't like taking sick days from work - I get sick pay but I'd rather be working than just lolling around.

Do you have children? Did you get them vaccinated?

My kids are grown up now - when we had them in '78 and'80, we had them vaccinated of course.

I didn't know then what I know now - if it was today, I would weigh all the options.

One thing that is different today I believe is that they give too many at the same time.

Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms

Apples and oranges.

I've never gotten a flu shot and never will.

Apparently you were never in the military - it's required.

The times I did get a flu shot back in the day, I ended up getting the flu anyways.

This is a completely different story than what I posted.

Ahem ...

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=58512

This is a completely different story than what I posted.

Ahem ...

Your story: Conspiracy Theory Goes Viral that CPS ‘Steals’ Children From Anti-Vax Parents

My story: Chandler police remove kids from home after sick child not taken to hospital

Please stop - your desperation is almost making me feel sorry for you.

My story: Chandler police remove kids from home after sick child not taken to hospital
The mother and child in your story: Sarah Beck and Heber.

The ND BELIEVED that Heder had meningitis.

Based on what, exactly? The snitch who is a quack naturopath, someone who aided and abetted these anti-vaxxers until they turned snitch?

What you're doing is highlighting that even the opinion of a non-medical quack can be used by CPS/PD to be remove children from their parents.

What you're doing is highlighting that even the opinion of a non-medical quack can be used by CPS/PD

Not only will CPS use information from that type of source, but they act upon ANONYMOUS sources on the 1-800 child abuse hot-line, millions of times a year. Most are bullshit, but if 3% are accurate... thousands of calls help the helpless, children.

Huge lawsuits, too. I remember a case where CPS failed to act upon several anonymous tips that a child was not being cared for properly by her drug using mommy (Dicktard loves them), and the huge local story broke news when she was discovered almost dead, a human skeleton.

It was actually a case where CPS just didn’t follow up and make sure the child was being fed... until the cops found the child that way during a drug raid of the house, months after the first 1-800 tip.

I don't consider any naturopath qualified to provide a legit diagnosis of meningitis. Kids and adults can have fever and vomiting without having meningitis.

Let's review some symptoms from Wiki:

For the sick child, there was no mention of a stiff neck, no mention of headache, no mention of rashes. And even if those were present, they match up with a lot of other illness, both chronic and infectious. A child might exhibit irritability or drowsiness or poor feeding for many other illnesses or for no real reason at all.

This situation would be like your chiropractor calling adult services on you for coughing and fever and having the public health agency and courts and police confine you to a nursing home on that basis, despite your wife's strident objections and status as your legal medical guardian.

Why did the cops remove the other two children from the home for no cause other than all three kids had had the flu? Why won't they tell the parents where the children are or even what their condition is? Why won't they reveal whether any of these children had meningitis at all? Surely they would if there had been any basis for the entire fiasco to begin with. And if the parents are so awful and the home so neglectful, then why haven't they been charged with a crime of any sort?

Huge lawsuits, too. I remember a case where CPS failed to act upon several anonymous tips that a child was not being cared for properly by her drug using mommy (Dicktard loves them), and the huge local story broke news when she was discovered almost dead, a human skeleton.

Sad story but that in no way justifies the actions of the Chandler police, the quack naturopath snitch, and the CPS. They should all get their asses sued off and spend some time in prison for kidnapping under abuse of authority.

Let's see some evidence, any evidence, that they were justified in removing the sick child, let alone the two other siblings who were kidnapped as well for no justifiable cause.

And foster care is by no means safe. Thousands of children end up in sex trafficking after being in foster care every year. These children are in danger in CPS custody. It is not as safe as being in the custody of their parents.

Just because we don't like anti-vaxxers (and I don't) doesn't give us the right to disrupt their homes, kidnap their children and hold them incommunicado, even to the point of withholding information about their health status, the supposed justification for their removal from their parents.

Let's see some evidence, any evidence, that they were justified in removing the sick child

I’m not passing opinion on this particular incident/article. Too many factors (the unknown, unreported or just commonly spun or slanted to suit political AGENDAS).

I just make comment that it doesn’t take some level of credentials, approved by LIBERALterians, for any states child protective agency to act on. They will act on a tip from anyone... and then hopefully build probable cause if they continue through with more intrusive action.

I’m not passing opinion on this particular incident/article.

The facts speak for themselves. CPS has released no medical info to justify the removal of the child, let alone his two older siblings who were not suspected of having meningitis at all. CPS has resorted to saying the home was messy just because there was a load of laundry scattered on the living room chairs and, oh shit, a (non-functioning) shotgun was in the bedroom and wasn't locked up. Having three kids that had the flu, a somewhat messy house (gee, 3 sick kids around the house, how did anything get messy?) and a non-functional shotgun are not a legit basis for removal of a sick child, let alone both older siblings who had no diagnosis of severe illness like meningitis.

You have to admit it sounds incredibly lame, given the facts we already have. It sounds like a show-us-your-titties episode of CPS Gone Wild.

This is one of those instances where the followup is crucial. So far, we don't know all the facts, only some allegations and vague mentions of a messy house and a non-functional shotgun. And the official silence about the children's medical condition is pretty deafening.

I just make comment that it doesn’t take some level of credentials, approved by LIBERALterians, for any states child protective agency to act on. They will act on a tip from anyone... and then hopefully build probable cause if they continue through with more intrusive action.

That is among the most appalling things you've ever written here at LF.

Maybe you should see some photos of the children, parents, home and some remarks from the parents.

Just because we don't like anti-vaxxers …

… (and I don't) …

… doesn't give us the right to disrupt their homes …

Hea, hold on Hoss.

Wait just a damend minute!

The ER doctor who was not “quack naturopath” decided the kid, Heder, was sick enough that she/he admitted Heder to the hospital to treat his symptoms. I forget what he was diagnosed as having, and I won’t bother to look it up, but it was some type of infection.

So, it was stated by someone that the “naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded.” But “WE” will never admit that some “quack naturopath” concerns were not unfounded….will “WE?” Or that “the opinion of a non-medical quack” was used by “CPS/PD to remove a child from his parents” and admit him to the hospital where his infection was properly treated.

… kidnap …

Don’t you DARE for one minute to try to use that word to try and harangue me with. You may have no respect for the law as I find most libertarians don’t. But I do. It was reported that DCS had an order for “temporary custody from a judge.” “My dear libertarian friend (stated with tongue in cheek) the children were not KIDNAPPED. Stop trying to BULLSHIT me.

Continuing on …

… kidnap their children and hold them incommunicado, even to the point of withholding information about their health status, the supposed justification for their removal from their parents.

And please….please….don’t pull a Deckard and show a link to some yellow journalism article where “someone SAID something.” I don’t pay any attention to opinions or to hearsay information I receive from other people when I receive information they cannot adequately substantiate.

I courteously await your reply with proven facts when you have those.

But until you have proven facts, then I respectfully request that you not bother me.

For time is a valuable asset and I don’t want to waste any on a libertarian whiner.

That is among the most appalling things you've ever written here at LF.

People don’t have a constitutional right to break the law. The constitution WASN’T crafted to conseal criminal activity. Upon having reason to believe that a crime is afoot... and building further probable cause as you investigate, certainty justifies follow through of more intrusive investigative procedures, like search warrants and custodial arrests.

While that might be appalling to a Paultard, it’s fucking fact here in this constitutional republic. If you don’t like that, you are certainly allowed to go live with BuckerGoo, in the jungles of Belize.

The facts speak for themselves. Blah….blah….blah…

Ah! Spoken like a true asshole Paultard libertarian who obediently follows the warped libertarian philosophy that people “should be free to do as he or she pleases so long as he or she does not harm others.”

And that’s where Paultards drop the ball. They aren’t fucking smart enough to see past the length of a marijuana joint, how some actions they deem harmless to others, actually harm others.

That is why when a small idiot child should ingest a handful of scrabble squares... and then painfully pass them into their training pants, that idiot child just produced a few sentences more intelligently than an adult Paultard.

To a Paultard, nothing they do victimizes another... everything is a victimless, non violent crime. lol

And that’s where Paultards drop the ball. They aren’t fucking smart enough to see past the length of a marijuana joint, how some actions they deem harmless to others, actually harm others.

That is why when a small idiot child should ingest a handful of scrabble squares... and then painfully pass them into their training pants, that idiot child just produced a few sentences more intelligently than an adult Paultard.

To a Paultard, nothing they do victimizes another... everything is a victimless, non violent crime. lol

Shout it to the ceiling ...

That is among the most appalling things you've ever written here at LF.

Please….Please….Please.

Oh, please, GrandIsland.

Teach me how to be appalling – to cause shock or dismay and be horrific – to a libertarian in one sentence.

I keep trying ….

The facts speak for themselves. CPS has released no medical info to justify the removal of the child, let alone his two older siblings who were not suspected of having meningitis at all. CPS has resorted to saying the home was messy just because there was a load of laundry scattered on the living room chairs and, oh shit, a (non-functioning) shotgun was in the bedroom and wasn't locked up. Having three kids that had the flu....

For my extended take of this, see the other thread.

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=58512&Disp=49#C49

Just a brief snapshot about meningitis and the flu.

Officers went to the family's home to check the child's welfare, but no one answered the door, even though police could hear "someone coughing inside one of the bedrooms," according to the police report.

So, they concluded coughing means meningitis?

https://www.healthline.com/health/meningitis

Coughing does not appear to be a symptom of bacterial or other meningitis.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/symptoms-causes/syc-20351719

Dry, persistent cough; nasal congestion; and sore throat are symptoms of the flu, a viral infection.

Did the requesting authority inform the judge that the doctor was an N.D. who was medically incompetent to diagnose meningitis or to distinguish between a bacterial or viral infection? The N.D. was less qualified than a veterinarian for that purpose. The authorities had neither a diagnosis nor a competent medical opinion at the time of requesting the authorization to force entry.

Ah! Spoken like a true asshole Paultard libertarian who obediently follows the warped libertarian philosophy that people “should be free to do as he or she pleases so long as he or she does not harm others.”

You're damned by your own mouth.

Repent.

For time is a valuable asset and I don’t want to waste any on a libertarian whiner.

You can hardly type fast enough to keep up with the "libertarian whiners". Post after post, day after day. Because, like, your time is so valuable.

Right.

You sound like some old whore saying, "You know, I really don't like cocks all that much."

People don’t have a constitutional right to break the law. The constitution WASN’T crafted to conseal criminal activity.

You are peddling a self-serving liberty-hating view of the Constitution.

Properly formulated, it is the state which has no constitutional right to remove these children from their parents, given the facts as described in this article and in other local reporting from news outlets in Arizona.