For many years, Ive forecasted that the US will evolve into a police state; that it will begin slowly; then as more and more freedoms are removed, the creation of the police state will accelerate.
Were now seeing that acceleration, as more and more Americans are detained, questioned, and having their property confiscated than ever before.
As an example, in 2016, some 20,000 travellers in and out of the US were stopped, often at random. Typically, their baggage was searched, their documents photocopied, access codes to their electronic devices demanded and their files copied. In most cases, no explanation was given, but they were advised that if the search was refused, they would be detained indefinitely.
The following year, in 2017, the numbers of people detained rose by 50%, to 30,000.
Its important to note that the travellers were not threatened with arrest, which suggests that the authorities were working on the basis that the Patriot Act of 2001 allows all of the above activitieswithout cause being given, without a warrant being obtained, without access to a phone call or legal representation being allowed, and that the individuals in question may be detained, indefinitely.
This, of course, is in direct violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, which states that people have the right to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.
However, when people travel, they are particularly vulnerable, so the travellers in question are extremely unlikely to refuse. They understand that, indefinitely means, until a Supreme Court ruling is passed, overturning the Patriot Act as unconstitutional. If it hasnt happened yet and isnt under consideration, its safe to say that the level of police state allowed under the Patriot Act is permanent.
Police States have been implemented countless times throughout history. They tend to be most prominent where collectivism has already been instituted.
Wherever collectivism is already firmly established, new crackdowns are generally introduced suddenly. In Germany, in 1938, under existing Nazi rule, Kristallnacht took people by complete surprise. Later, in 1961, under existing Soviet rule, the Berlin Wall went up with no previous announcement. In both cases, the collectivist tyranny was already in place and the people had already successfully been subjugated. These events were merely further losses of freedom.
But what of a country that still enjoys a few of its former freedoms and is in the process of being transformed into a full-blown collectivist state? Well, in such cases, the loss of freedoms is often done in slo-mo.
Another way of describing this is the old adage of boiling a frog. Since a frog will jump out of a pot of hot water, place him in a pot of lukewarm water and slowly turn up the heat. Before he knows it, hes being boiled to death.
Likewise, when the intention is to convert a country to collectivism, make the early changes in stages. Get the people to accept that the losses of freedom are for the benefit of their safety. Then, the further along you go, the more you can accelerate the process.
At present, a majority of Americans appear to now understand that theyve experienced a significant loss of their guaranteed freedoms. Theyre now worried and, at each new stage of oppression they tend to say, Im not happy about this, but I can probably live with it and, besides, they say that theyre doing it for my own safety.
However, I think that its safe to say that a family returning from a holiday thats just been isolated from each other, interrogated separately, frisked, had all their belongings pored through and copies of their papers and electronic files taken, without even being told the reason, does not feel as though its been done for their safety.
Remember, the 30,000 above were just hoping to reach their destination with no trouble from anyone. A generation ago, they never would have tolerated such a violation to their rights. But now, they submit and accept whatever theyre told to do.
#1: misterwhite To: Deckard (#0)
Those figures are from the article below and represent constitutional searches of o of of digital devices by U.S. Customs and Border Protection at the border.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/04/the-steady-rise-of- digital-border-searches/522723/
misterwhite posted on 2018-07-03 16:01:00 Reply Private Reply
#2: nolu chan To: Deckard (#0)
* * * VERY FAKE NEWS * * *
This is a deliberate deception. The Fourth Amendment does not say "people have the right..." It references the right of the people. The people is a legal term connoting the members of the political communities known as states who together make up the political community known as the United States. People at a border crossing do not have the constitutional rights of the people of the United States, in the United States. This is a slick wordsmith practicing deception, but not very well.
People at the border check points have no such rights. Their baggage may be inspected, emptied and examined, and no warrant is necessary. If crossing by car, their gas tank may be removed for internal examination for contraband.
Some passengers are selected for examination, rather than inspection, by random selection. The reason for their selection may be that the first, last, or third or whatever digit of the number on their identification document is 3 or 7 or whatever is the number chosen for that day. No reason is given and none is needed. The random selection criteria is not handed out to the people in line.
Nonsense. These activities were going on long before there was a Patriot Act of 2001. Warrantless border searches were authorized in 1789. Once the person presents for inspection, they do not have some right to opt out at a time of their choosing.
See United States v. Ramsey, 431 U.S. 606, 616-19 (1977)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/pdf/02-1794P.ZO
United States v. Manuel Flores-Montano, 541 U. S. 149 (2004)
https://www.scribd.com/document/383217129/United-States-v-Manuel-Flores-Montano-541-US-149-2004
nolu chan posted on 2018-07-04 15:37:55 Reply Private Reply
#3: buckeroo To: nolu chan (#2)
Have you nothing to do in life other than create a diversion on a mere chit-chat channel?
buckeroo posted on 2018-07-04 15:46:18 Reply Private Reply
#4: nolu chan To: buckeroo (#3)
I will argue legal points with SCOTUS opinions to back me up, and you can continue to engage in tiny-fisted tantrums. SCOTUS opinions say what the law is, as opposed to what FAKE NEWS websites publish and others puke up on the forum.
nolu chan posted on 2018-07-04 16:25:30 Reply Private Reply
#5: buckeroo To: nolu chan (#4)
buckeroo posted on 2018-07-04 16:34:33 Reply Private Reply
#6: nolu chan To: buckeroo (#5)
Twat? I cunt hear you. I've got a confuction in my ear. Bare ass somebody else.
nolu chan posted on 2018-07-05 12:33:24 Reply Private Reply
#7: Liberator To: nolu chan (#4)
+100
Liberator posted on 2018-07-05 13:32:24 Reply Private Reply
#8: Liberator To: Deckard (#0)
What's being suggested here is the EXTREME CASE of a Po-Po state. But come on -- the mention of Nazi rule, Kristallnacht ??
"Soviet rule, the Berlin Wall went up with no previous announcement. In both cases, the collectivist tyranny was already in place ..."
First of all -- let's remember that millions of ILLEGAL INVADERS -- the ones the LEFT and Globalists like the Bushes want IN the country, are creating havoc. (conveniently and conspicuously NOT mentioned in the article.)
Ok, now we can address Dubya's Patriot Act constitutional violations (already written BY Bubba Inc. before 911), setting up this over-officious in motion. (Do we agree that 911 was a combined Muzzies/Deep State op?)
Also NOT mentioned in the article:
Marxist 0bama Inc. began ENFORCING an aggressive Police State in anticipation of Hillary's tyrannical Presidency. Remembered how 0bama engaged in overt military exercises IN US CITIES? Not to mention weaponizing the DoJ, IRS, and every Police State Agency like Gestapo? He even sent local police military heavy armor, tanks, etc.
I find articles like this that purposely OMIT the above info while inferring Trump's America is THE Police State to be fundamentally dishonest. It's disinfo and round-about propaganda BY OMISSION.
Frame it anyway you like but ultimately this article is an attack on President Trump and MAGA.
Liberator posted on 2018-07-05 13:47:05 Reply Private Reply
#9: Liberator To: nolu chan (#2)
I know I've already given you a +100, but I'm jacking it up to a +200.
Yup -- this article/propaganda is fake news that ATTACKS US Sovereignty and ATTACKS border enforcement as "Police State" tactics.
It is nothing of the sort.
Author: Pro-Illegal Invader SHILL.
Liberator posted on 2018-07-05 13:52:50 Reply Private Reply
#10: Deckard To: Liberator, nolu spam, buckeroo (#9)
Constitution-Free Zone.
Judge Reaffirms Constitution Free Zones 100 Miles Inside U.S. Borders
Chances are you now live in a Constitution Free Zone.
US Federal District Judge Edward Korman, has reaffirmed an Obama admin policy that grants officials the authority to search Americans laptops and other electronics without a warrant, citing a controversial premise that makes citizens within 100 miles of the border eligible for a warrantless police search.
The decision came in Tuesday, more than 3 years after the ACLU filed suit against the policy.
Almost two-thirds of the population (197.4 million people) live within 100 miles of the US border.
Next it will be 200 miles from the border, then 300 and then only people that will retain their rights are those that are making up these totalitarian laws!
Deckard posted on 2018-07-05 15:22:38 Reply Private Reply
#11: Liberator To: Deckard, nolu chan, Buckeroo (#10)
And yes, right -- 0bama and his co-fascist-Commies are the ones who stretched the USCON to their limit,blatantly violating it routinely. (I guess you read neither of our posts. *Duly Noted*)
Liberator posted on 2018-07-05 16:44:29 Reply Private Reply
#12: Deckard To: Liberator (#9)
AMERICAN citizens DO have those rights, at border crossings or anywhere else.
Or at least they used to before fed.gov started using the Constitution as toilet paper.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-05 17:48:00 Reply Private Reply
#13: GrandIsland To: Deckard (#0)
And you LIBERALterian types have been opening your tinfoil hat covered maws for at least 15 years now, claiming this republic would go bankrupt... and wed collapse BY NOW.
FEAR MONGER, agitate propaganda to further a personal anti drug, anti cop, AGENDA.
GrandIsland posted on 2018-07-05 18:49:59 Reply Private Reply
#14: nolu chan To: Deckard, Liberator, A K A Stone (#10)
This wingnut VERY VERY FAKE NEWS is an obscene pile of bullshit, puked up on the forum. This load of DELIBERATELY FALSE BULLSHIT is the worst sort of spam.
This has not a damned thing to do with "constitution free zones" or making " citizens within 100 miles of the border eligible for a warrantless police search," or subjecting "two-thirds of the population (197.4 million people) live within 100 miles of the US border," to warrantless searches.
http://www.truthandaction.org/judge-reaffirms-constitution-free-zones-100-miles-inside-u-s-borders/
The article puked up by Deckard identifies the plaintiff as Pascal Abidor while carefully avoiding provision of the citation.
The unidentified case is Abidor v Napolitano, 990 F. Supp. 2d 260 (EDNY, 31 Dec 2013). The full court MEMORANDUM AND ORDER is provided below. It was an ORDER granting a MOTION TO DISMISS based upon Abidor's LACK OF STANDING. The judge prefaced his short comments on the merits with, "While I do not believe that the plaintiffs have standing, I discuss the merits of their claims in order to complete the record and avoid the possibility of an unnecessary remand in the event that the Court of Appeals shall disagree."
It is not a court OPINION on the merits. It is a dismissal based on a pretrial motion, finding the plaintiff lacked standing and that means the court did not have jurisdiction to hear the case.
Abidor was traveling by train from Canada to the United States and was subjected to a BORDER SEARCH by Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) at a United States Customs and Border Patrol inspection point near Service Port-Champlain when the train stopped there. It was a BORDER SEARCH and the 4th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution did NOT apply. It was a constitutional search.
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https://www.scribd.com/document/383299536/Abidor-v-Napolitano-990-F-Supp-2d-260-EDNY-31-Dec-2013-Inside-Border-Search
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https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20140408894
United States v. Saboonchi, 990 F.Supp.2d 536 (MDSD, 7 Apr 2014)
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Border Issues, Volume 62, Number 6, November 2014
The Border Search Doctrine: Warrantless Searches of Electronic Devices after Riley v. California, by Gretchen C.F. Shappert
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nolu chan posted on 2018-07-05 21:00:15 Reply Private Reply