In the past five years, the New York Police Department has spent $347,000 on false arrest lawsuit settlements. According to the Village Voice, these costs stem from the citys gravity knife statute.
Passed in 1958, the law banned New York residents from carrying knives fitted with blades that fall out of the handle as the user points them toward the ground while pushing the lever. This antiquated law is responsible for thousands of yearly arrests, despite the fact that current knife designs bear no resemblance to the blades of yesteryear.
But estimates suggest that over the past ten years, this particular ban has been the reason for the prosecution of 60,000 New Yorkers many of them working people who use folding knives as part of their jobs. A recent incident shows another unintended consequence of upholding the gravity knife statute one that cost a South Bronx resident $18,000.
In a very public tweet, the NYPD announced Sunday that officers from Police Service Area 7 had arrested a male for a gravity knife and vouchered $18,000 dollars cash for forfeiture. The triumphant tweet, The Village Voice pointed out, even [publicized the prisoners] name and address, down to the apartment number.
By coupling an outdated law with civil asset forfeiture rules which in New York state, happen to be draconian officers managed to take advantage of yet another property owner in order to prop up the local police budget.
While few details about the arrest were made public, the Village Voice added, many on Twitter commented that the model of knife the arrestee was carrying appear[ed] to be a style often carried by first responders, with a feature designed for safely cutting clothes and tangled seat belts after, say, a car accident. The news outlet reached out to the NYPD for more information, but officers failed to respond with more details.
The gravity knife ban was tweaked in June when Democrats added an amendment to the state law clarifying the definition of a gravity knife by excluding any folding knife with a bias toward closure. The change has yet to be signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo.
But even if its signed, this change to the state law does little to protect the New Yorkers constitutional right to own and carry any means of self-defense. Nevertheless, it could help to limit the number of individuals framed by the NYPD over folding knives and pocket knives, which are often used for work or passed down in a family.
Even if the tweak to the states knife ban is finally signed into law, this measure, alone, will not be enough because the states civil asset forfeiture laws remain intact. Until serious criminal justice reforms are passed in the Empire State, New Yorkers will continue to be bullied in the name of policing for profit.

#1: nolu chan To: Deckard (#0)
This falsely claims forfeiture due to carrying banned pocket knife.
Cash and other property is seized upon belief that is was involved in an illegal enterprise, such as drug dealing. If the owner can show that he lawfully possessed the money, he may get it back.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-17 17:42:08 Reply Private Reply
#2: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#1)
Ain't gonna happen.
misterwhite posted on 2016-09-17 18:41:17 Reply Private Reply
#3: nolu chan To: misterwhite (#2)
True dat.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-17 23:08:03 Reply Private Reply
#4: Deckard To: nolu chan (#1)
Fixed it.
Deckard posted on 2016-09-17 23:55:02 Reply Private Reply
#5: nolu chan To: Deckard (#4)
They took the tambourine man's drug money.
As long as you are learning that they due not seize the money because of knife possession, that is progress. If you like the word assumption, they had a reasonable assumption that the mope in the South Bronx housing projects with the $18,000 walking around money possessed dirty money.
The purpose of the civil asset forfeiture law is to separate ill gotten gains from criminals. If the distinguished gentleman in the projects can show this was the day that he inherited $18,000 from his long lost uncle, he can get his money back. Ditto if the tambourine man can show he earned the money busking at the subway station.
No name and few facts are provided.
Here is the U.S. Supreme Court on civil asset forfeiture.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-18 02:25:23 Reply Private Reply
#6: Deckard To: nolu chan (#5)
Really? Tell it to this guy.
Arkansas Trooper Steals $20,000, Because Nobody Innocent Carries That Much Cash
(Prosecutors tried to drop the forfeiture case, but the judge would not let them.)
It's not clear why Arkansas State Police Sgt. Dennis Overton decided to stop (Guillermo) Espinoza, who was traveling with his girlfriend, Priscila Hernandez. The legal justification for pulling Espinoza over was missing from the state's September 2013 forfeiture complaint, which referred without explanation to "the traffic stop," and from Circuit Court Judge Chris Williams' September 2014 order authorizing permanent confiscation of the money, which said only that the stop was "proper." In his response to the forfeiture complaint, Espinoza argued that the stop was illegal, so it would be nice to know what the rationale for it was. While police have no shortage of excuses for pulling motorists over, they are supposed to settle on at least one.
After the stop, Judge Williams said, a "State of Arkansas drug dog was transported to the site in order to conduct a search of the vehicle." That's a revealing way of putting it, since according to the Supreme Court walking a drug-sniffing dog around a car does not qualify as a search. But if the dog "alerts" to the car, the Court says, that alone supplies probable cause for a search. So what Williams evidently meant was that Sgt. Overton requested a drug dog on the assumption that it would give him the permission he needed to search the car. But according to Williams, "It is obvious from the tape [of the traffic stop] that the dog did not alert on the vehicle at the scene of the stop."
Undeterred, Overton asked for permission to search the car, which Espinoza supposedly granteda pretty suspicious sequence of events. Why bother bringing in a drug dog to justify searching a car if the driver is willing to give his consent? In any case, Williams said, "the dog alerted on a computer bag," inside which Overton found $19,894 in cash, mostly wrapped in $1,000 bundles. Overton found no contraband, drug paraphernalia, or any other sign of illegal activity. But as far as he was concerned, the cash itself was conclusive evidence that Espinoza was involved in drug trafficking.
"I've worked this interstate for the last eight years," Overton told Espinoza, according to the transcript of the dashcam video, which Williams appended to his order. "Half of my career I've spent out here. OK? Nobodynobodycarries their money like that but one person. OK? People that deal with drugs, and deliver drugs. That's it. Nobody else. Nobody." In other words, Overton always treats people who carry large amounts of cash as criminals, which proves that only criminals carry large amounts of cash.
Espinoza, who had no criminal record and was never charged in this case, said the money came from years of construction work, and he later presented checks, receipts, and tax forms to substantiate that income. He said he took the money with him to Memphis because he was planning to buy a 4x4 truck there. But he was not happy with the advertised vehicle, so he did not complete the purchase. He offered to show Overton text messages he had exchanged with the truck seller and said his boss, whom he offered to call, would vouch for him. Overton, already convinced of Espinoza's guilt, was not interested.
Aside from the existence of the cash and the police dog's purported alert to the computer bag, the forfeiture complaint offered no evidence that Espinoza was dealing or delivering drugs. It simply asserted that "the currency was being used for drug trafficking, to further the manufacture of a controlled substance or...to facilitate the violation of Arkansas Code Annotated Section 5-64-536," which criminalizes possessing with intent to deliver marijuana or any other "Schedule VI controlled substance." In other words, prosecutors not only had no real evidence that Espinoza had committed a crime or was planning to do so; they could not even be bothered to specify the crime.
Deckard posted on 2016-09-18 03:01:01 Reply Private Reply
#7: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#1)
My first thought was that he was lucky he was carrying the $18,000 -- exactly the right amount to pay the fine for carrying a knife.
misterwhite posted on 2016-09-18 10:37:59 Reply Private Reply
#8: misterwhite To: Deckard (#4)
How silly is that? Doesn't everyone carry around $18,000 banded into packets?
misterwhite posted on 2016-09-18 10:41:02 Reply Private Reply
#9: nolu chan To: Deckard (#6)
The same attorney from CMC v. Costa Mesa, Matthew Pappas, very recently represented a different marijuana dispensary with the following result at the Court of Appeals of the State of California.
A marijuana dispensary in Costa Mesa is illegal.
A marijuana dispensary in Costa Mesa is illegal.
A marijuana dispensary in Costa Mesa is illegal.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-18 10:55:26 Reply Private Reply
#10: nolu chan To: misterwhite (#8)
Down in the projects in the South Bronx, where the elite go to meet, they all carry at least $18K banded into packets. I think it is some religious thing having to do with the Canarsie or Manhattan indians. They roll up a bill and snort some sort of sacred powder through the bill which anoints the powder in a holy sacrament.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-18 11:07:41 Reply Private Reply
#11: nolu chan To: Deckard (#6)
The money was seized as contraband. It is contraband, just like kilo bricks would be contraband. Specifically, it was seized for "being used for drug trafficking, to further the manufacture of a controlled substance or was used to facilitate the violation of Arkansas Code Annotated Section 5-64-436."
Its being contraband does not depend on whether a search was lawful. Contraband cannot be reclaimed except on a showing that it is not contraband. This, Garcia failed to do.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-18 11:30:55 Reply Private Reply
#12: Deckard To: nolu chan (#9)
Try to keep up, OK?
Deckard posted on 2016-09-18 11:35:01 Reply Private Reply
#13: ConservingFreedom To: Deckard (#6)
All we can do is pray that whitey, nolu spam, and other civil forfeiture cheerleaders have vehicles stolen by government because a pot seed was found in the tire tread.
ConservingFreedom posted on 2016-09-18 11:50:16 Reply Private Reply
#14: nolu chan To: Deckard (#6)
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-18 12:19:21 Reply Private Reply
#15: nolu chan To: Deckard (#12)
It is the same lawyer who got his ass handed to him, and recites the applicable state laws.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-18 12:23:40 Reply Private Reply
#16: nolu chan To: Deckard (#0)
The petition was filed in Superior Court of the State of California, County of Orange, Central Justice Center, and is CMC, a group of patients collectively operating pursuant to Ca. Health & Safety Code § 11362.775 v. City of Costa Mesa; Costa Mesa Police Department; and Does 1 to 10 inclusive. It was filed in State court on 9 August 2016.
It states it is PETITION FOR WRIT OF MANDAMUS (CCP § 1085); VIOLATIONS OF THE STATE AND FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONS (42 U.S.C. § 1983).
It states two causes of action:
The two causes of action cite Federal law, and Federal law only.
to be continued...
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-18 12:24:49 Reply Private Reply
#17: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#1)
What exactly was the man charged with? Illegal possession of a banned pocket knife or carry excess amount of cash? We still have Due Process in this country where one is innocent until proven guilty. The burden rests solely on the officers to prove this guy broke the law. Not the other way around.
goldilucky posted on 2016-09-18 22:31:25 Reply Private Reply
#18: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#17)
Irrelevant.
Irrelevant.
The Defendant is the currency, not a person. The process that is due pertains to the money, not any person.
Nobody need ever prove this guy broke the law. The money is the defendant.
Unfortunately, you have it all ass-backwards. Civil asset forfeiture is not a criminal proceeding. Look at the case citations.
If the money is seized for forfeiture, anyone who wants to obtain the money must claim ownership of the money and show, by a preponderance of the evidence, that it is lawfully his.
See In re Forfeiture of $9,430 United States Currency, COA (Mich 15 Dec 2011).
http://www.michbar.org/file/opinions/appeals/2011/121511/50420.pdf
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-19 01:06:30 Reply Private Reply
#19: Gatlin To: nolu chan, goldilucky (#18)
Gatlin posted on 2016-09-19 02:21:35 Reply Private Reply
#20: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#18)
and here -----> https://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/irshist.htm#cabm
Read here on the fact that this judge is treating this defendant like a narcotics dealer -----> https://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/irshist.htm#nd
goldilucky posted on 2016-09-19 02:21:56 Reply Private Reply
#21: A Pole To: Deckard (#6)
This was his error. He left too many traces and Sgt. Overton knew about cash.
When you carry more cash, never make emails, phone calls or text messages about it.
A Pole posted on 2016-09-19 06:00:54 Reply Private Reply
#22: A K A Stone To: goldilucky (#17)
A K A Stone posted on 2016-09-19 06:42:31 Reply Private Reply
#23: A K A Stone To: nolu chan (#18)
A K A Stone posted on 2016-09-19 06:44:40 Reply Private Reply
#24: tpaine To: A K A Stone, y'all (#23)
Most of the massively long spam Nolu Chan posts is ridiculous.
Good to see that you're aware of his bullshit.
tpaine posted on 2016-09-19 13:48:13 Reply Private Reply
#25: goldilucky To: A K A Stone (#22)
If the money is seized for forfeiture, anyone who wants to obtain the money must claim ownership of the money and show, by a preponderance of the evidence, that it is lawfully his.
This quote tells me in code language that the defendant is being treated like a narcotics dealer and that the use of that case law is being used to deny the defendant's basic Due Process Rights. What the judge did was use a case law which would not apply to this defendant. What the judge should have used was the proper statute and if applicable use a parallel case to support their findings. Narcotics dealing would fall under Internal Revenue codes which are not positive law. See here: http://www.tax-freedom.com/ta16013.htm#ta16014 and that Dan Meador explains this about how the IRS and Bureau of Internal Revenue merged with the Customs Clearance Act and that neither are positive law and therefore their statutes have no legality in the United States.
See here: The asset need not be traced to a specific sale of drugs, only to drug trafficking generally. [Emphasis added here] The burden rests on those officers to prove their case against the defendant.
goldilucky posted on 2016-09-19 16:44:52 Reply Private Reply
#26: nolu chan To: A K A Stone (#23)
Yes, it can. Sort of like a corporation can be a person, at law. For purposes of certain laws taxing vegetables, tomatoes were held to be vegetables. In the rest of the world, tomatoes have seeds and are fruit. In all of these in rem forfeiture cases, some item is the named defendant.
In a forfeiture action, the people claim lawful ownership of the seized item(s). The items are seized pursuant to law, and lawful ownership is decided by a court. If a person claims the property, he is a Claimant, not a Defendant. For purposes of law, the item is the named Defendant.
http://www.michbar.org/file/opinions/appeals/2011/121511/50420.pdf
It is stated as an action in rem.
Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed. (emphasis added)
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-19 17:19:54 Reply Private Reply
#27: nolu chan To: tpaine (#24)
tpaine is all bullshit.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-19 17:20:54 Reply Private Reply
#28: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#20)
See #26. This was an action in rem.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-19 17:23:23 Reply Private Reply
#29: nolu chan To: A K A Stone, goldilucky (#22)
An action in rem determines lawful ownership of property, not guilt or innocence of a person.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-19 17:24:49 Reply Private Reply
#30: tpaine To: nolu chan, -- in rem -- (#27)
Pretending to be a lawyer is bull, nolu sham.
tpaine posted on 2016-09-19 17:33:53 Reply Private Reply
#31: nolu chan To: tpaine (#30)
Not even an illegal seizure prevents upholding a civil asset forfeiture. tpain specializes is bullshit.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-19 17:55:28 Reply Private Reply
#32: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#29)
Not so especially where the court has no personal jurisdiction over the person. If they have no personal jurisdiction over the person then they also have no jurisdiction over the subject matter.
goldilucky posted on 2016-09-19 18:07:51 Reply Private Reply
#33: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#32)
Nonsense.
With contraband or the fruits of criminal activity, the government can seize the property and the court can hold an in rem proceeding to determine ownership. They can unlawfully search and still seize the property.
If they unlawfully search and find 100 pounds of pot, you may overturn the search for criminal purposes, but you are not getting your 100 pounds of pot returned.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-19 18:26:53 Reply Private Reply
#34: tpaine To: nolu chan (#31)
Pretending to be a lawyer is bull, nolu sham.
You specialise in fraud and duplicity, nolu chump.
In fact, isn't acting as if you were a member of the bar, -- a crime?
tpaine posted on 2016-09-19 18:45:48 Reply Private Reply
#35: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#33)
Nonsense here! Define "contraband". Anything seized without a court order subpoena, is treated as unlawful seizure under the fruit of the poisoned tree doctrine.
goldilucky posted on 2016-09-19 18:48:02 Reply Private Reply
#36: nolu chan To: tpaine (#34)
That's what you say when you're not calling me a lawyer.
To my knowledge, writing intelligently about the law is not a crime.
Your attempts to sell utter bullshit may constitute mopery.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-20 01:46:53 Reply Private Reply
#37: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#32)
Google is your friend. I am not your secretary. The sentence begins, "With contraband or the fruits of criminal activity...."
This is ridiculous.
Read my #31 again.
IN RE FORFEITURE $180,975, 478 Mich. 444 (Mich. 2007)
A civil asset forfeiture proceeding is a CIVIL proceeding, not a criminal proceeding. The fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine has no application whatsoever to civil proceedings.
Seizure is not pursuant to a subpoena which is used to require one to appear at a judicial proceeding. A subpoena duces tecum requires one to bring specified relevant documents when one appears.
A warrant may be issued for a search. There are exceptions to the requirement for a warrant.
If, in the course of an illegal search law enforcement finds your 100 pounds of marijuana, they will lawfully seize it, and the government will never return it to you.
If you go through customs at the airport, the customs may examine, as distinguished from inspect, your bags. It can be done on a predetermined random selection basis for the day, perhaps a digit of your social security number to hit every tenth passenger. You and your bags would be taken to a private room and your bags would be opened and the inspector can look inside everything. If an item is found that is unlawful to possess, it is seized. You are taken into custody. No warrant is required. The evidence is admissible. If the item is your marijuana, you do not see it again, except as evidence.
You are misinformed as to criminal cases as well.
Warden v. Hayden, 387 U.S. 294 (1967)
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-20 02:38:34 Reply Private Reply
#38: tpaine To: nolu chan (#36)
You claim to write intelligently, -- but most here at LF differ. -- You are the champion of big govt, big brother, authoritarian 'law' in the USA.
Your attempts to sell 'progressive law' are far beyond mere mopery; -- they border on treasonous activity, imho.
tpaine posted on 2016-09-20 06:05:56 Reply Private Reply
#39: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#37)
Google is to case law as statutory positive law is to my friend.
Again, I ask of you to define what is contraband according to the actual statutory law the judge used. Not case law.
goldilucky posted on 2016-09-20 12:14:44 Reply Private Reply
#40: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#39)
Do it yourself. Buy a dictionary.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-21 18:16:09 Reply Private Reply
#41: nolu chan To: tpaine (#38)
Only in the imaginary Patriot Court, Chief Justice tpaine, presiding.
It has plenary jurisdiction over the mind of CJ tpaine, but that is the limit of its jurisdiction.
Your hatred of the United States Constitution and all federal laws is noted. Your delusion that you live in a world where you make the laws and dictate the legal system according to your whim, is also noted.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-21 18:30:49 Reply Private Reply
#42: tpaine To: nolu sham posts a delusion (#41)
You've gone completely off your rocker, poor soul.
Get help..
tpaine posted on 2016-09-21 19:06:40 Reply Private Reply
#43: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#40)
The only time case law should be referenced is when it parallels your situation including statutory law. This is very important to emphasize because it not only establishes (1) where the court has jurisdiction over you and the case but that (2) this case and the statutes (civil or criminal) provided apply to your case.
The necessity of applying case law in one's Memorandum of Points and Authorities are used only to prove the existence of the statutory law that supports it. Case law is not the law but instead is evidence of the existing statutory law that supports it.
goldilucky posted on 2016-09-22 01:14:06 Reply Private Reply
#44: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#40)
Just below is a link to a statute concerning contraband. Copy and paste unto the URL and when you get there look below the Yellow highlighted Part 8. I do not recall any statute ever referenced in that citation you mentioned in this thread. You don't just throw out the words "contraband" at somebody without realizing the negative connotation it has. Furthermore, it is a criminal offense.
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/pagedetails.action?collectionCode=CFR&searchPath=Title+28%2FChapter+I%2FPart+8&granuleId=CFR-2005-title28-vol1-part6&packageId=CFR-2005-title28-vol1&oldPath=Title+28%2FChapter+I%2FPart+8&fromPageDetails=true&collapse=true&ycord=1846
goldilucky posted on 2016-09-22 02:14:03 Reply Private Reply
#45: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#43)
WHY was the money seized? The article is deafeningly silent on that point.
What was Ray Ray doing in the projects with $18K and a knife?
My best guess is that the cash was seized as drug money.
As for your rant, you do not have a clue what you are talking about.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-26 19:36:22 Reply Private Reply
#46: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#44)
Your link goes to a CFR which, by definition, is not a statute.
Go to whatever you are blathering about and post it with a link. Or use a dictionary. The concept of contraband is not difficult.
It isn't that hard.
Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed.
For example, marijuana is contraband in all 50 states.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-26 19:40:30 Reply Private Reply
#47: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#46)
The point I was making was that in that case you cited, there is no mentioned statute concerning what the Defendant was ever charged with specifically.
While at it, you might want to browse through this site on the CFR as it complements the Federal Registers.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text
https://www.doi.gov/library/collections/law/statutes
And yes, the CFR and FR are considering statutes in reference to "contraband" issues
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2015/08/03/2015-18982/contraband-and-inmate-personal-property-technical-amendment
goldilucky posted on 2016-09-30 16:23:54 Reply Private Reply
#48: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#47)
The CFR and FR are not statutes. Newspaper articles and blog entries may consider statutes in reference to anything. Only formal written enactments of legislative bodies are considered statutes.
A statute is a legislative act.
The "Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) is the annual cumulation of executive agency regulations publised in the daily Federal Register, combined with regulations issued previously that are still in effect. Divided into 50 titles, each representing a broad subject area, individual volumes of the Code a broad subject area, individual volumes of the Code of Federal Regulations are revised at least once each calendar year and issued on a staggered quarterly basis. The CFR contains the general body of regulatory laws governing practice and procedure before federal administrative agencies." (Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed.)
The Federal Register, "published daily, is the medium for making available to the public Federal agency regulations and and other legal documents of the Executive Branch." (Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed.)
Executive Branch regulations are never considered statutes.
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You seem unable to comprehend the fact that no criminal charges are required against anyone in a CIVIL Asset Forfeiture case and are lost looking for criminal charges that need not exist.
As the instant case was a New York case, and not a Federal case, the applicable law would be New York law. It is not found in the mountain of Executive Branch Federal Regulations either in the Federal Register, or as collected in the Code of Federal Regulations. It is found in New York Civil Practice Law and Rules.
New York C.P.L.R. § 1311 on Forfeiture Actions provides:
And,
And,
Contraband is something which is unlawful to possess. If discovered, the government may seize it. Nobody can successfully such a forfeiture action as it would be impossible for them to establish that they lawfully possess that which is unlawful to possess. Persons who have their contraband seized generally disavow ownership. Any claimant would be providing evidence of his guilt and justify his own prosecution.
Your Federal Register entry is applicable to the Federal Bureau of Prisons and their regulations on what is considered contraband for inmates. The definition of contraband therein applies only to such inmates.
"Contraband any property the possession or transportation of which is ilegal. For instance, narcotic drugs, firearms, counterfeit money, or cigarettes which an individual intends to illegally distribute or use are contraband. 49 U.S.C. § 781." Law Dictionary, 2nd Ed., Steven H. Gifis, 1984.
The cited section has been moved to:
http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2014/title-49/subtitle-x/chapter-803/
2014 US Code
Title 49 - Transportation (Sections 101 - 80504)
Subtitle X - Miscellaneous (Sections 80101 - 80504)
Chapter 803 - Contraband (Sections 80301 - 80306)
http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2014/title-49/subtitle-x/chapter-803/
http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2014/title-49/subtitle-x/chapter-803/sec.-80302/
http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2014/title-49/subtitle-x/chapter-803/sec.-80303/
http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2014/title-21/chapter-13/subchapter-i/part-e/sec.-881/
See also 21 U.S.C. 881
2014 US Code
Title 21 - Food and Drugs (Sections 1 - 2252)
Chapter 13 - Drug Abuse Prevention and Control (Sections 801 - 971)
Subchapter I - Control and Enforcement (Sections 801 - 904)
Part E - Administrative and Enforcement Provisions (Sections 871 - 890)
Sec. 881 - Forfeitures
https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.html?content=html&seqNo=17324
Wisconsin Supreme Court
Leonard L. Jones v. State, 226 Wis.2d 565, 594 N.W.2d 738 (1999)
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-30 20:42:15 Reply Private Reply
#49: Deckard To: nolu chan, goldilucky (#48)
Insanity. An inanimate object is not capable of committing a crime.
Deckard posted on 2016-09-30 21:11:17 Reply Private Reply
#50: nolu chan To: Deckard (#49)
But it is capable of being the subject of an in rem legal action.
Damn, you are dumb.
Uncle Sam says you have no property right to contraband. He can and does take your illegal shit, including your money made from selling your shit, or intended to be used to buy more shit.
What's really insane is registering and getting a card certifying that you buy and use shit. Then Uncle Sam knows you can't be trusted with a firearm and takes that away.
21 U.S.C. § 881 (2014)
nolu chan posted on 2016-10-01 03:54:47 Reply Private Reply