Over the past 15 years many highly respected academics and experts have come forward to challenge the official narrative on the collapse of the WTC towers forwarded by the U.S. government. The official government position holds that the collapse of all three towers was due to intense heat inside of the buildings.
But a new forensic investigation into the collapse of the three World Trade Center towers on 9/11, published in Europhysics News a highly respected European physics magazine claims that the evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition.
While many in the mainstream have attempted to label anyone questioning the official narrative as a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist, many highly respected experts have come forward to lampoon the idea that the buildings collapsed due to the intense heat and fires following two terrorist-directed plane crashes.
Given the far-reaching implications, it is morally imperative that this hypothesis be the subject of a truly scientific and impartial investigation by responsible authorities, the four physicists conclude in the damning report.
The new study is the work of Steven Jones, former full professor of physics at Brigham Young University, Robert Korol, a professor emeritus of civil engineering at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada, Anthony Szamboti, a mechanical design engineer with over 25 years of structural design experience in the aerospace and communications industries and Ted Walter, the director of strategy and development for Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a nonprofit organization that today represents more than 2,500 architects and engineers.
The comprehensive study in Europhysics News directly challenges the official narrative and lends to a growing body of evidence that seriously questions the veracity of the government narrative.
In 2002, the National Institute of Standards and Technology remarked that the case was exceptionally bizarre. There were no other known cases of total structural collapses in high-rise buildings caused by fires and so it is deeply unusual that it should have happened three times in the space of one day, noted NIST.
Official investigations have never been able to thoroughly and coherently explain how this might have happened and various teams tasked with examining the collapse have raised difficult questions about the veracity of the governments story.
Perhaps most damning of all, the experts claimed that after a thorough forensic analysis of video footage of the buildings collapse, it revealed signs of a controlled implosion. Additionally, Jones has co-authored a number of papers documenting evidence of unreacted nano-thermitic material in the WTC dust.
The authors of the study note that the buildings fell with such speed and symmetry that they there was no other feasible explanation for the sudden collapse at free-fall speeds directly refuting studies that attempted to debunk the idea that the building fell without resistance. These respected experts new forensic analysis only adds to the growing movement of people calling for a new and impartial investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center.
Revealing the scope and breadth of public disbelief in the official government narrative surrounding the events of 9/11, even presidential candidate Jill Stein has recently called for a new investigation.

#1: Gatlin To: Deckard (#0)
Gatlin posted on 2016-09-12 11:16:47 Reply Private Reply
#2: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, cover up canaries (#1)
Would you believe that they "pancaked" like Hillary did yesterday?
Pancake Theory (FEMA/Aunt Jemima)
Hondo68 posted on 2016-09-12 11:55:42 Reply Private Reply
#3: Hank Rearden To: Deckard (#0)
Hank Rearden posted on 2016-09-12 11:57:59 Reply Private Reply
#4: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#2)
I will believe they "collapsed due to controlled demolition" when you prove they did.
Gatlin posted on 2016-09-12 12:14:38 Reply Private Reply
#5: misterwhite To: Deckard (#0)
misterwhite posted on 2016-09-12 12:18:26 Reply Private Reply
#6: randge To: Gatlin (#1)
You may be assured for the rest of your living days, it will be this shit again and again.
The 9/11 Commision, officialdom and the establishment have left us with a conspiracy theory (eg: the 19 Arab hijackers whose pics we never see broadcast any more, for good reason) that is so leaky that new generations of folks will always be raising these questions until we see the sequestered evidence and get some solid answers.
randge posted on 2016-09-12 12:21:32 Reply Private Reply
#7: Pinguinite To: Gatlin (#4)
No you wouldn't. Be for real. You'd claim the proof is insufficient, or somehow flawed.
Reality, and what people believe is reality, more often than not differs. It's a fact of life.
Pinguinite posted on 2016-09-12 12:32:38 Reply Private Reply
#8: Deckard To: Gatlin, randge, Hank Rearden, misterwhite (#4)
From the linked article:
The case of WTC 7
The total collapse of WTC 7 at 5:20 PM on 9/11, shown in Fig. 2, is remarkable because it exemplified all the signature features of an implosion: The building dropped in absolute free fall for the first 2.25 seconds of its descent over a distance of 32 meters or eight stories [3].
Its transition from stasis to free fall was sudden, occurring in approximately one-half second. It fell symmetrically straight down. Its steel frame was almost entirely dismembered and deposited mostly inside the buildings footprint, while most of its concrete was pulverized into tiny particles. Finally, the collapse was rapid, occurring in less than seven seconds.
Given the nature of the collapse, any investigation adhering to the scientific method should have seriously considered the controlled demolition hypothesis, if not started with it. Instead, NIST (as well as the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which conducted a preliminary study prior to the NIST investigation) began with the predetermined conclusion that the collapse was caused by fires.
The case of the Twin Towers
Whereas NIST did attempt to analyze and model the collapse of WTC 7, it did not do so in the case of the Twin Towers. In NISTs own words, The focus of the investigation was on the sequence of events from the instant of aircraft impact to the initiation of collapse for each tower....this sequence is referred to as the probable collapse sequence, although it includes little analysis of the structural behaviour of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached and collapse became inevitable.[5]
Thus, the definitive report on the collapse of the Twin Towers contains no analysis of why the lower sections failed to arrest or even slow the descent of the upper sectionswhich NIST acknowledges came down essentially in free fall [5-6]nor does it explain the various other phenomena observed during the collapses. When a group of petitioners filed a formal Request for Correction asking NIST to perform such analysis, NIST replied that it was unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse because the computer models [were] not able to converge on a solution.
Other evidence unexplained
The collapse mechanics discussed above are only a fraction of the available evidence indicating that the airplane impacts and ensuing fires did not cause the collapse of the Twin Towers. Videos show that the upper section of each tower disintegrated within the first four seconds of collapse. After that point, not a single video shows the upper sections that purportedly descended all the way to the ground before being crushed.
Videos and photographs also show numerous high-velocity bursts of debris being ejected from point-like sources (see Fig. 5). NIST refers to these as puffs of smoke but fails to properly analyze them [6]. NIST also provides no explanation for the midair pulverization of most of the towers concrete, the near-total dismemberment of their steel frames, or the ejection of those materials up to 150 meters in all directions.
NIST sidesteps the well-documented presence of molten metal throughout the debris field and asserts that the orange molten metal seen pouring out of WTC 2 for the seven minutes before its collapse was aluminum from the aircraft combined with organic materials (see Fig. 6) [6]. Yet experiments have shown that molten aluminum, even when mixed with organic materials, has a silvery appearance thus suggesting that the orange molten metal was instead emanating from a thermite reaction being used to weaken the structure [12].
Meanwhile, unreacted nano-thermitic material has since been discovered in multiple independent WTC dust samples [13].
Conclusion
It bears repeating that fires have never caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise before or since 9/11. Did we witness an unprecedented event three separate times on September 11, 2001? The NIST reports, which attempted to support that unlikely conclusion, fail to persuade a growing number of architects, engineers, and scientists.
Instead, the evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition. Given the far-reaching implications, it is morally imperative that this hypothesis be the subject of a truly scientific and impartial investigation by responsible authorities.
Deckard posted on 2016-09-12 12:44:20 Reply Private Reply
#9: Gatlin To: Pinguinite (#7)
When there is proof they "collapsed due to controlled demolition"....then we shall see.
In the meantime, I do not subscribe to ridiculous conspiracy theories.
Gatlin posted on 2016-09-12 16:23:58 Reply Private Reply
#10: Gatlin To: Deckard (#8)
Having or showing strong feelings or opinions is simply having or showing strong feelings or opinions. not and that is not conclusive .IS IT?
You make no sense in your presentations. But then this is no surprise, you never do.
Words have meaning.
Gatlin posted on 2016-09-12 17:08:20 Reply Private Reply
#11: Deckard To: Gatlin (#10)
I will believe they "collapsed due to controlled demolition" when you prove they did.
Oh please! you won't even consider the overwhelming evidence that is presented here and elsewhere.
You've shown once again on this topic you are intellectually dishonest.
The believers of the official 9/11 narrative are the real "kooks".
*****
According to a New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:
"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%"
Deckard posted on 2016-09-12 17:39:13 Reply Private Reply
#12: nolu chan To: hondo68 (#2)
No, that is physically impossible in the observed collapse or destruction time. The "pancake theory" was proposed by FEMA and destroyed by NIST, and officially rejected even as an "official" theory.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-12 17:57:35 Reply Private Reply
#13: nolu chan To: Deckard (#0)
There is the Europhysics News itself.
http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016-47-4.pdf
Page 1 of the issue of Europhysics News states:
The article is on pp. 21-26. Page 21 is a basic cover page.
Page 22 of the issue of Europhysics News leads off with:
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It is in no way a "comprehensive study." It is 5 print pages and a cover page. It may barely be a short story.
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The Steven Jones stuff has been recycled for ten years. It is not likely to change any minds now.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2016/08/jones-co-beclown-european-physics-news.html
Jones & Company Beclown the Europhysics News
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"Truther scientists" get article published in EuroPhysics News magazine
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About former...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
And no, I do not accept the official theory.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-12 18:15:04 Reply Private Reply
#14: Logsplitter To: Deckard (#0)
Logsplitter posted on 2016-09-12 18:46:17 Reply Private Reply
#15: Logsplitter To: hondo68 (#2)
Logsplitter posted on 2016-09-12 18:49:07 Reply Private Reply
#16: Deckard To: nolu chan, Gatlin, Randge, misterwhite, Hank Rearden, hondo68 (#13)
Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed The building structure would still be there However, Im not saying that properly applied explosivesshaped explosivesof that magnitude could not do a tremendous amount of damage . I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it.
To put it politely, Skilling believed the only thing that could bring down the Twin Towers was controlled demolition, certainly not a fire alone not even a horrendous fire.
Deckard posted on 2016-09-13 07:14:10 Reply Private Reply
#17: Gatlin To: Deckard (#16)
Putting it bluntly, "believing" something is a long way from "proving" something. File that away in your thick skull for all time.
Gatlin posted on 2016-09-13 10:00:14 Reply Private Reply
#18: misterwhite To: Deckard (#16)
Isn't he the same guy who said the Titanic was unsinkable? The Hindenburg was safe? The Maginot Line was impenetrable?
That guy?
misterwhite posted on 2016-09-13 10:02:30 Reply Private Reply
#19: misterwhite To: Deckard, Gatlin (#16)
"The WTC towers were the first structures outside of the military and the nuclear industries whose design considered the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707. It was assumed in the 1960s design analysis for the WTC towers that an aircraft, lost in fog and seeking to land at a nearby airport, like the B-25 Mitchell bomber that struck the Empire State Building on July 28, 1945, might strike a WTC tower while low on fuel and at landing speeds."
misterwhite posted on 2016-09-13 10:09:49 Reply Private Reply
#20: Deckard To: Gatlin, misterwhite (#17)
yeah, I forgot - you know more about structural engineering than thousands of engineers and architects and the designer of the towers themselves.
The evidence is overwhelming - only deluded sheep believe the official fairy tale.
Deckard posted on 2016-09-13 10:34:38 Reply Private Reply
#21: Gatlin To: Deckard (#20)
I dont know about structural engineering, but I know that "believing" something is a long way from "proving" something. I thought Imade that clear. It is regrettable that you have a problem with your comprehension.
From the dictionary:
If you are to convince deluded sheep of something, then you need proof positive and not an overwhelming [great] amount of bullshit from an especially strong emotional source. And that is all you continually try to jam into the minds of intelligent people.
Capiche?
Gatlin posted on 2016-09-13 11:25:50 Reply Private Reply
#22: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, Cappuccino (#21)
No comprende, pendejo.
Hondo68 posted on 2016-09-13 11:33:34 Reply Private Reply
#23: Deckard To: Gatlin (#21)
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.)
In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
Deckard posted on 2016-09-13 12:27:39 Reply Private Reply
#24: Fred Mertz To: war, sneakypete, Hondo68, Deckard, buckeroo, Stoner (#23)
sneakypete is still alive and well...
I'd ping Pebbles, but he'd likely ban me again. This place is dead.
Fred Mertz posted on 2016-09-13 12:53:42 Reply Private Reply
#25: Deckard To: Fred Mertz (#24)
I've seen him over at 4um on occasion. He didn't get banned there too, did he?
Deckard posted on 2016-09-13 13:08:19 Reply Private Reply
#26: Fred Mertz To: Deckard (#25)
Fred Mertz posted on 2016-09-13 13:11:25 Reply Private Reply
#27: no gnu taxes To: Deckard (#0)
Long ago certified kook
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-09-13 13:16:56 Reply Private Reply
#28: Deckard To: no gnu taxes (#27)
I suppose to a simpleton like you, they must all be "kooks".
BTW - why don't you post your educational qualifications and your advanced degrees in engineering and/or architecture
Oh, you don't have any?
Deckard posted on 2016-09-13 13:22:15 Reply Private Reply
#29: no gnu taxes To: misterwhite (#5)
I've asked that question a hundred times. Along with many others like why would there be a need to fly planes into the buildings in which they knew were just going to be blown up with explosives?
All you ever get is it is irrelevant. There is no point arguing with kooks.
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-09-13 13:22:19 Reply Private Reply
#30: no gnu taxes To: Deckard (#28)
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-09-13 13:24:27 Reply Private Reply
#31: Deckard To: no gnu taxes, misterwhite (#29)
Oh for pete's sake - they didn't need to plant them where the planes hit.
...why would there be a need to fly planes into the buildings in which they knew were just going to be blown up with explosives?
Seriously?
They needed to blame the attacks on Iraq and bin Laden.
Who would ever believe that a guy on a dialysis machine and living in a cave would be able to pull off something like that?
Use your head man!
Deckard posted on 2016-09-13 13:27:48 Reply Private Reply
#32: no gnu taxes To: Deckard (#31)
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-09-13 13:29:16 Reply Private Reply
#33: Deckard To: no gnu taxes (#30)
Bully for you. Unfortunately that is not relevant to the discussion, is it?
so I am sure I have a better grasp of engineering principles and mathematics than you do.
That really isn't the point.
How many buildings have you designed?
Deckard posted on 2016-09-13 13:29:37 Reply Private Reply
#34: no gnu taxes To: Deckard (#31)
Seriously, I am using my head.
The ragheads had already tried to blow up the towers in 1993, so just blame it on them in 2001, No planes needed.
But really seriously, I'm done addressing this. I was really done with it 10 years ago.
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-09-13 13:33:01 Reply Private Reply
#35: Deckard To: no gnu taxes (#32)
I'm sure you believe that. More's the pity.
High-Velocity "Demolition Squibs" Are Visible in the Twin Towers' Collapses
In discussions of the collapses of the WTC skyscrapers, the term has been appropriated to describe the physical appearance of puffs or jets of dust emerging from buildings during a demolition, caused by the detonation of explosive charges. Several such "squibs" can be seen in videos and photographs capturing the collapses of the North and South Towers.
It has been suggested that the evident squibs could have been added to the photographs and videos after the fact, given that much of this evidence has found its way onto the web via undocumented routes. However, the squibs show up in many diverse videos and photographs, and we have not been able to find any showing the squibs to be absent. A conspiracy of incredible proportions would be required to forge such convincing evidence of squibs in such diverse sources.
Q:
What caused the "squibs"? Could they have been just puffs of dust being pushed out of the Towers by falling floors? Are they visual evidence of explosive charges?
A:
The isolated ejections 20-60 stories below the demolition front appear to be composed of pulverized building materials, including concrete. There was no known mechanism by which pulverized building materials being created up at the zone of destruction could have been transported so far down through the building and to the exterior. Air conditioning vents would not have tolerated such pressures, and there was no other "channel" in the building to deliver compressed air.
Twin Towers' Rates of Fall Proves Demolition
Each of the Twin Towers fell completely in intervals of time similar to that taken for a block of wood dropped from a tower's roof to reach the ground. A block of wood has about the same average density as the main components of the towers near their tops.
In a vacuum, a block of wood (or lead) would take 9.2 seconds to fall from the tower's roof. In the air a block of wood, say ten inches on a side, might take 50 percent longer than in a vacuum. Fifteen seconds, a good estimate for the total time of collapse of the North Tower, is about the time it would take our block to fall from the roof.
The rubble from the Tower probably had similar average density to our block of wood, since the floor slabs consisted of corrugated sheet metal and lightweight concrete, and the perimeter steel columns were hollow with walls only 1/4th inch thick at the Towers' tops. Air resistance alone could account for the slowing of the falls to the point where each Tower took about 15 seconds to completely come down.
The official story requires that more than air resistance was slowing the descents. The falling rubble would be having to crush every story below the crash zone -- ripping apart the steel grids of the outer walls and obliterating the steel lattice of the core structure. The resistance of the intact building itself would be thousands of times greater than air resistance.
If air resistance is able to increase total collapse times by even 20 percent, then shouldn't the addition of the resistance of the buildings themselves increase the time several thousand percent, to at least tens of minutes?
Of course the idea of a collapse lasting minutes is absurd. So is the idea of a steel frame building crushing itself.
Deckard posted on 2016-09-13 13:42:25 Reply Private Reply
#36: Deckard To: no gnu taxes (#34)
The FBI Allowed the 1993 WTC Bombing to Happen (NY Times)
Deckard posted on 2016-09-13 13:45:56 Reply Private Reply
#37: nolu chan To: Deckard, Gatlin, Randge, misterwhite, Hank Rearden, hondo68 (#16)
Deckard investigation:
Investigation complete. Nothing but controlled demolition could have brought down the buildings because Skilling believes it could not have been down by an airplane.
Those are the only two possibilities, airplanes and controlled demolition.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-13 14:29:30 Reply Private Reply
#38: Gatlin To: Deckard (#23)
Gatlin posted on 2016-09-13 15:11:14 Reply Private Reply
#39: nolu chan To: Deckard, Gatlin, Randge, misterwhite, Hank Rearden, hondo68 (#16)
#8, citing to the linked article:
#16:
To put it politely, NIST found the size of charge required to sever a single core column of WTC7, and found that the sound produced would have been loud enough to cause temporary hearing loss within half a mile. it would have been very, very audible, even at a distance.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11476392&postcount=20 [post link]
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nolu chan posted on 2016-09-13 16:23:20 Reply Private Reply
#40: Hondo68 To: nolu chan, strawman construction, Gatlin, Randge, misterwhite, Hank Rearden, Deckard (#39)
That's why conventional explosives weren't used for that task.
Thermite melts rather than explodes. Hence the thermite residue found in the wreckage. DUH!
Hondo68 posted on 2016-09-13 17:12:53 Reply Private Reply
#41: randge To: nolu chan (#39)
NIST rejected the blast scenario because they said no audio record of a blast with sufficient decibel level existed.
So you're operating with an absence of evidence here.
The quite nearly symmetrical collapse free fall of the Solomon Brother's Building (WTC 7) continues to confound explanation that excludes direct human agency.
Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California, asks:
randge posted on 2016-09-13 18:34:27 Reply Private Reply
#42: nolu chan To: hondo68 (#40)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_controlled_demolition_conspiracy_theories
Most important, thermite is too damned slow. The floor supports need to be removed simultaneously all around to get a straight down drop. Thermite ain't gonna get it.
Duh!
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-13 18:53:22 Reply Private Reply
#43: nolu chan To: randge (#41)
The absence of evidence may be proof of something that did not happen. It does not identify the mechanism of what did happen.
Direct human agency allows for other theories, not proven. Conventional demolition is one theory.
7WTC looks like it could be a demolition job.
1WTC and 2WTC do not. They are destroyed from the top down, and largely reduced to powder, dust, or unidentifiable tiny pieces. I have no viable theory to offer to explain what my eyes see. I do not find the official stories persuasive.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-13 19:14:15 Reply Private Reply
#44: Hondo68 To: nolu chan, NWO operative (#42)
Hondo68 posted on 2016-09-13 19:26:41 Reply Private Reply
#45: nolu chan To: hondo68 (#44)
Just,
************* Load of BS ************
The anonymous dude uses thermate. He says, "I'm no explosions expert."
The massive columns needed to be cut or melted. They needed to all be made to give way at the exact same time for the building to fall straight down.
He does not address how he ignites his thermate. To collapse 110 stories of 1WTC or 2WTC would require carefuly synchronized thermate cutters cutting the beams at the exact same time, or the building would collapse on its side.
As poster Nina Hallman pointed out 3 days ago,
As I said:
The video does not even address this issue.
It almost makes one wonder why demolition experts don't use thermite or thermate, as they do not use kerosene fires on the top of a building to bring them straight down.
nolu chan posted on 2016-09-13 23:01:46 Reply Private Reply