In other words, police knew that at least one person in the house had a gun, and they reacted to this information by purposely creating a frightening, confusing situation in the middle of the night—exactly the sort of situation in which the weapon's owner would be apt to reach for it in self-defense. They did so supposedly to guard against "potential dangers to officers" and thereby magnified those dangers, in this case sending Officer Jason Pittman to the hospital. He is lucky he was not killed, and so are Harrell and his parents.

Don't know if the facts are as stated, but if so, this conclusion, though clearly editorial in nature, is spot on.

The right & smart way to deal with this would be to stop and detain them after they leave the house, then conduct a search of the house.

But I guess doing the home invasion thing is more fun.

"The right & smart way to deal with this would be to stop and detain them after they leave the house"

Have a gunfight in public? How many innocents injured and killed?

If that happened you would say the right & smart way to deal with this would be a surpise early morning raid, thereby keeping any shooting withing the confines of the house.

Can't win with you either way.

Have a gunfight in public? How many innocents injured and killed?

But of course. What better way to do it? Conduct a traffic stop while downtown in the middle of rush hour near a busy bus stop and popular outdoor eatery. Even set up a table on the side walk right where you stop them, on which is a wide assortment of complimentary firearms and ammo. Then shoot out the tires and tell he occupants that all your guys are going to open fire in 30 seconds, giving them a sporting chance to arm themselves and maybe even fire the first few rounds.

If that happened you would say the right & smart way to deal with this would be a surpise early morning raid, thereby keeping any shooting withing the confines of the house.

No. Instead I'd say you are a complete moron.

Can't win with you either way.

Stupid people can't win with me. That is correct.

The only evidence of fire arms they had in the house was the finding of evidence of ammo for a "high powered weapon", perhaps the 7.62 round, which is ammo for either the AK-47, or one of it's many semi-auto & legal varieties, all of which are long guns. Long guns are not a likely weapon to use inside a car over a hand gun, and a proper stake out looking for them to leave would affirm it very likely they were unarmed in the car.

None of these people apparently had either a death wish or desire to kill any cops, but even if they did, the surprise night raid was the worst decision that responsible cops could have made, and the one most likely to result in a lethally dangerous outcome. But like I said, it is more fun for cops. Or was until one of the inhabitants had a legitimate fear for his life and opened fire on the cops, fortunately only injuring one.

I hope these cops learned something. Should be a wake up call for them.

The right & smart way to deal with this would be to stop and detain them after they leave the house, then conduct a search of the house.

Thats always been my position on serving warrants. Its just a liability nightmare for everyone if you breach a house to serve warrants. Its just not necessary. Breaching houses should be a last resort for the police. The perp is just not coming out of the house.

Drug addicted asshole dealer Charged With Attempted Murder Says Law Enforcement Seemed Like they were upholding their oaths.

I fixed your yella title

I fixed your yella title

Reward yourself with a jelly filled doughnut and a cup of coffee.

Stick your donut fantasy up your Ron Paultard ass.

One was doing their job... the other was breaking the law.

Seriously, the USSC has ruled no knocks constitutional. The state in question has laws against weed possession.... the raid is a reaction to the illegal action of breaking the law. The faction in this equation that could have acted differently to avoid your crying now is very simple. If the dipshit decided he wasn't going to break a constitutional law then maybe those cops you dislike wouldn't kick his door at 0300 hours.

Damned good response, GI.

One was doing their job... the other was breaking the law. You tell me who should be expected to modify their behavior?

It's safe to say that from the perspective of the police, they lost control of the situation, and that is their fault, is it not?

Clearly the police do not have to, and should not use a no knock raid on a home where someone is possibly selling marijuana, or other drugs. People are expected to use good judgment. It seems to me that the police have less rules than the military in a foreign country. If not, it is a damn close call.

One of them got shot. I'm sure as they review what happened, they are all asking themselves what they could have done differently so that the resident wouldn't have fired on them.

Expecting a way to police without a cop dying is like expecting a way to live in a free society without a fag in a night club, school student or mall shopper to never be killed during active gunman incidents

The pussification of society has caused you to Monday morning quarterback every news event you read that makes you sad.

There are HUGE benefits kicking a door at 0330 hours unannounced... and that's why the USSC finds them constitutional.

Stop crying or spend your time with the OTHER UNREALISTIC IDEAL of how so we keep Deckards shithead friends from picking and choosing what laws they follow... so LE doesn't have to come visit in the middle of the night... but that is as realistic as cops perorming their OATHS of upholding constitutional drug laws without dying.

There are HUGE benefits kicking a door at 0330 hours unannounced... and that's why the USSC finds them constitutional.

What are the list of benefits besides overtyme pay and a chance to get your name in the news?

That's just one reason, fuck you.

And the officer that got shot... thats aurrila(sp) fault for authorizing the.idiotic raid. Its like you said. They could waited for them to leave to safly execute a search warrant but home invasion was just too much temptation of fun forthem to pass up. And now one is shot. Maybe they will learn a lesson but probably not.... next time they will probably just try to get away with firing tear gas first.

And now one is shot. Maybe they will learn a lesson but probably not....

Expecting a way to police without a cop dying is like expecting a way to live in a free society without a fag in a night club, school student or mall shopper to never be killed during active gunman incidents

It's called life. Police die. Then they hire new ones that go through the academy. Suck it up, libtard buttercup.

Clearly the police do not have to, and should not use a no knock raid on a home

Clearly, I'm on your bozo list because you don't agree with the USSC decision regarding the constitutionality of no knocks, AND I DO. Like most libtards, you're too self important to be told you're wrong. F' off.

There are HUGE benefits kicking a door at 0330 hours unannounced... and that's why the USSC finds them constitutional.

Unless the Constitution stipulates that the government can do whatever is most "beneficial", then the "benefits" of no knock raids has nothing to do with whatever is "constitutional".

And yes, cops die, just like people of all professions. But no one has to die doing something stupid, like pulling a surprise night raid on a house known to be inhabited by an armed man over a matter not involving imminent danger to the community. It's an act that really warrants a Darwin Award.

I expect the incident was at least somewhat traumatic for the police who where fired upon, which may have the benefit of giving them cause to reconsider any similar foolery in the future.

Edit: Oh, and I did manage to compose this entire reply without calling you a coptard.

The right & smart way to deal with this would be to stop and detain them after they leave the house, then conduct a search of the house.

Thats always been my position on serving warrants. Its just a liability nightmare for everyone if you breach a house to serve warrants. Its just not necessary.

That would be the smart thing to do, but it seems that cops inevitably escalate situations that could be handled in less dramatic ways.

Same thing happened at Mt. Carmel - the local cops knew Koresh, had even shot guns with him at the range.

There was no reason for the Feds to carry out a raid on the Branch Davidians. They could have picked him up at any time

Breaching houses should be a last resort for the police.

The reason for SWAT teams in the first place was as a last resort, hostage situations where a life was in danger. Thanks to the war on drugs, cops have used this tactic for the flimsiest of reasons - as we can see here, they netted just over an ounce of pot which is considered a misdemeanor.

The information was provided by a confidential informant - in other words, a paid snitch.

It has been shown time and time again that the info provided by CIs is not trustworthy.

So do you repeat yourself because you're too drunk to think of something new or not smart enough to think of something of something new?

I repeate myself because Paultards, like most libtards, never can't be told shit. You are a prime example.

So, what does that mean? Do YOU even know?