Some 58 percent of Americans support universal healthcare,

Hell, Willie, this comes as no surprise.

Research shows that 45 percent of Americans pay no federal income tax.

So that takes care of the largest portion.

The next 12 percent are Bernie Sanders supporters.

While the remaining one percent are Paultards.

So, there is your 58 percent accounted for.

Majority of Americans support universal healthcare

The majority of Americans are right to do so.

Some 58 percent of respondents support replacing ObamaCare with a universal healthcare system,

I don't think 58% of Americans know what universal healthcare is. However IMO they will change their mind if they have to pay for it.

they will change their mind if they have to pay for it.

They think "the rich" will pay for it - along with all sorts of other free shit.

They think "the rich" will pay for it - along with all sorts of other free shit.

Middle class is evaporating, while the rich and especially superich make a killing.

Certainly they can afford it.

As my pappy said there is no such thing as free!!!

If government is the answer then you are asking the wrong question!

Middle class is evaporating, while the rich and especially superich make a killing.

Got to love it. Crony capitalism works well under socialist control!

Certainly they can afford it.

Have any data that supports your certainty?

I did so here simply to use it as a platform.

"First, American educational attainment has dropped precipitously in comparison to other developed countries. While Americans over 55 are highly educated and literate compared to their Canadian and European counterparts, the same cannot be said for those in the 16- to 24-year-old age bracket, who rank near the bottom for all rich countries in educational attainment."

The more socialist the U.S. becomes the lower the education attainment. But that is to be expected as the Bread and Circuses mentality grows.

Certainly they can afford it.

Have any data that supports your certainty?

Data are all around, look at the shift in distribution of wealth over the last decades and health care in other developed countries. Then raw data are not enough, you need to analyze and interpret them correctly.

On the other hand market based health care system has some advantages. For example it can help spread of a new plague, when poor losers working in services will not be able to get to a doctor or even stay home when sick. Germs will prosper, less successful humans (aka Job Snatchers) will be culled and the magnificent Job Creators saved in isolated mansions will learn how to till the soil.

As my pappy said there is no such thing as free!!!

You are right, but it an entirely wrong concept to say that that which is paid by the taxpayer is free. It has been paid for by someone, and those providing the service have been paid, perhaps not as much as they could extract if they were free to charge whatever they want to for the service, but payment has been made.

Let me ask you, would you refuse service if it was paid for by a benefactor, by an employer, why then would you refuse service paid for by a government on your behalf? Is it becuase you think that you will pay more in taxes than the value you extract, 18 Trillion dollars in debt gives the lie to this argument

The more socialist the U.S. becomes the lower the education attainment.

The main culprit is GI Bill which gave unwashed massed education they were not fit to understand.

The more socialist the U.S. becomes the lower the education attainment.

The main culprit is GI Bill which gave unwashed massed education they were not fit to understand.

WTF? Are you really that ignorant? Do you understand the concept of age groups? Especially the difference between age 55+ and 16-24? GI Bill come into play here for the 16-24 group? FYI very few of the great unwashed masses have been eligible for college benefits under the GI Bill for over 30 years now. And for those in the 16-24 age group that did use you brain for once and realize that if a kid graduated from HS at 18 and then enlisted and just serves for 4 years he would be over 22 years old. These kids would represent a very small proportion of those in the under performing 16-24 year old range.

Thirty years ago someone of age 55 today would have been 24 years old. Had that person enlisted for just one four year term and used the GI Bill he would have had 2 years of college. So just about everyone in the 55+ age group that may have used the GI Bill are for the most part "highly educated and literate compared to their Canadian and European counterparts".

Now if you said it was the leftist social progressive policies over the past 30+ years of dumbing down the U.S. K-12 education system, forcing colleges to accept students that would not have been qualified 30 years ago and de facto lowering the quality of students applying to AND graduating from college, then you have a point. But he GI Bill has nothing to do with that as very few in the 16-24 age group would be eligible for GI benefits.

Boris, you prove once again that you are mindless moron leftist shill that is incapable of an original thought or critical thinking. Really sad.

The more socialist the U.S. becomes the lower the education attainment.

"The main culprit is GI Bill which gave unwashed massed education they were not fit to understand."

WTF? Are you really that ignorant? Do you understand the concept of age groups? Especially the difference between age 55+ and 16-24? GI Bill come into play here for the 16-24 group?

You missed my point.

Did GI Bill "lower the education attainment?

Majority of Americans support universal healthcare

That's what libtarded MSM first said and still says about THE WALL.... and Trumps popularity OVER ANY OTHER (D) or (R) says otherwise.

Slap yourself, you little urban zoo animal... soon you will be saying PRESIDENT TRUMP.

Middle class is evaporating, while the rich and especially superich make a killing.

Your libtarded socialist OWS fear mongering doesn't work anymore. The 1% theory is bullshit.

Your libtarded socialist OWS fear mongering doesn't work anymore. The 1% theory is bullshit.

If you say so, it must be true ;)

If you say so, it must be true ;)

Just use your own libtarded mind instead of sucking down all that libtarded Kool-Aid that's made you the socialist you are today. Select 100 RANDOM Apole friends you had 5 years ago ... tell me how many of them went from middle class to living on welfare... and if your fear mongering by pro socialist dip shits is true, for every 100 middle class people you know, you must know 1 millionaire that has more money than all 99 of your other friends.

Total fear mongering HORSESHIT... designed to scare the populace into income distribution via "EQUALITY". Typical libtarded idiology.

Make your own money... you have no right to mine just because you're upset over the people that worked hard enough to make a million as opposed to the lazy pot smoking fuck face that played Xbox all day while you and Deckard defended the scumbag for his drug use and laziness.

Some 58 percent of Americans support universal healthcare,

Trump supports it too.

Donald Trump stands by universal health care despite attacks

Donald Trump is remaining firm on a sticking point for many Republican voters — government-funded health care for all.

One of his top rivals for the Republican presidential nomination, Texas Senator Ted Cruz, has hit Trump hard on this issue in recent weeks. Cruz’s campaign has dubbed Trump’s plan “Trumpcare” and likened it to “Hillarycare” and “Obamacare.” Last week, a super PAC supporting Cruz ran an attack ad on the subject in Iowa.

But Trump isn’t backing down.

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“We do need health care for all people,” Trump said at a rally here this week. “What are we gonna do, let people die in the street?”

Trump has said he doesn’t support Obamacare but does believe the government should pay for health insurance for all. “I wanna get rid of Obamacare. I want to get you something good,” he said at the rally. He didn’t offer specifics.

Paultards.

Contrast Trump's position with Dr. Ron Paul's :

Health Care

The current system is most definitely broken, and it must eventually be abolished if we want to regain both our health and our freedom.

But Obamacare is the worst possible answer. All it does is perpetuate a flawed system by forcing everyone to become a client of insurance companies, even those who don’t want to or need to participate.

Why should anyone be forced to subsidize the medical care of others? Very few individuals would personally assault their neighbors at gunpoint and steal thousands of dollars to pay for their own medical needs. How could any freedom loving person agree to delegate such criminal acts to the government by supporting a compulsory health insurance system?

There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Additionally, Ron Paul wants to change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes.

You should be banned for selling snake oil when snake oil is no longer for sale.

Select 100 RANDOM Apole friends you had 5 years ago ... tell me how many of them went from middle class to living on welfare... and if your fear mongering by pro socialist dip shits is true, for every 100 middle class people you know, you must know 1 millionaire that has more money than all 99 of your other friends.

I did not know anyone on welfare and I knew a few millionaires. So what?

More lies... and yella Paultard propaganda.

You must really have your knickers in a wad.

Yes - Trump has said that he supports universal health care. That's a fact.

Ron Paul is opposed to it. Which is also true.

Now - explain to me how Trump is more conservative than Paul.

You should be banned for selling snake oil when snake oil is no longer for sale.

You and the other assclown I pinged opened the door to posting Ron Paul's stance when you opened your gaping maw and shrieked "Paultard".

you must know 1 millionaire that has more money than all 99 of your other friends.

Interesting way of judging a person's worth, by how much money they make, not their character.

If you ask me, that's pretty doggone shallow.

Ron Paul is opposed to it. Which is also true.

Wasn't it you that keeps reminding posters that Ron Paultard isn't running this year?

You're such a hypocrite.

Interesting way of judging a person's worth, by how much money they make, not their character.

If you ask me, that's pretty doggone shallow.

I judge a persons worth by how much I have to constantly help them... or if I have to help them due to intentional, reckless and willingness to make poor decisions... like drug use, breaking laws (whether an asshole like you agrees with the law or not), obtaining debt they can't pay off or doesn't work hard enough to be self sufficient.

GFY, libtard. I'm allowed to not ENABLE the sheep by paying for their poorly lived lives. It's called a constitutional FREEDOM TO KEEP THE MONEY I MAKE. You pay for it if your heart bleeds.

It's called a constitutional FREEDOM TO KEEP THE MONEY I MAKE.

Where is it in the Constitution? How do you make your money?

I judge a persons worth by how much I have to constantly help them...

Like I said, you are one shallow SOB judging others by their income.

Psychologically well adjusted folks pick their friends for reasons not having to do with money.

Character, loyalty, honesty, willingness to help in a time of need - concepts which are alien to those like you who are lacking intellectual and mental depth.

You are right, but it an entirely wrong concept to say that that which is paid by the taxpayer is free.

Has there ever been anything the government has run that has not been corrupted by crony capitalism(socialism) and cost on par with privately run system?

Government is a filter. When you send money to it 50% is taken right off the top and put in the pockets of fat cats. As a Christian how can you justify this?

If government is the answer then you are asking the wrong question!

like drug use

I bet there are 10 people that you know right now who have or are currently smoking pot.

I'd also bet that if you found out, you would turn them in.

Friends don't do shit like that.

Let me ask you, would you refuse service if it was paid for by a benefactor, by an employer, why then would you refuse service paid for by a government on your behalf? Is it becuase you think that you will pay more in taxes than the value you extract, 18 Trillion dollars in debt gives the lie to this argument

If I do not like what they offer I can always go to the next company. With government if I do not like what they offer im pretty much screwed.

Government should protect us from outsiders, provide a system to seek justice with laws that are blind but equal to all citizens. Then the government should get out of the way to let people prosper.

Never forget government is the biggest mafia of all mafia's. Keep their power concise and few.

As for Trump, I will wait to see his detailed plans AFTER he is IN office, and then I will comment on that.

I really don't GAS

Really? Then why the clinical obsession?

The fact remains - you make shit up about Ron Paul all the time.

Trump has said he doesn’t support Obamacare but does believe the government should pay for health insurance for all. “I wanna get rid of Obamacare. I want to get you something good,” he said at the rally. He didn’t offer specifics.

Ron Paul disagrees.

You support Trump, therefore you support his plan for universal health care.

I guess it's socialism only when Obama does it.

The fact remains - you make shit up about Ron Paul all the time.

Name ONE ...

I really don't GAS

Really? Then why the clinical obsession?

Rubbing the truth in your ignorant face Is not a clinical obsession ...

I do so, even knowing that you can't handle the truth.

The fact remains - you make shit up about Ron Paul all the time.

Name ONE ...

Already posted you asswipe

Rubbing the truth in your ignorant face

I've caught you in at least two lies today.

You have been doing it since the days of LP.

Your most shining moment was the multiple screen names and deception you engaged in during the yukon debacle.

Also - you and the rest of the Klan posted lies about Ron Paul over at LP.

Rubbing the truth in your ignorant face

I've caught you in at least two lies today.

Name ONE ...

The fact remains - you make shit up about Ron Paul all the time.

Name ONE ...

Already posted you asswipe

Link to IT ...

Did GI Bill "lower the education attainment?

Of course not. The overwhelming beneficiaries of the GI Bill were vets from WWII, Korea and Viet Nam. The draft in the U.S. ended in the mid-1970s, that's 40 years ago. The reference I posted states:

"While Americans over 55 are highly educated and literate compared to their Canadian and European counterparts...................

Someone 55 years old today would have been 15 years old 40 years ago and not a beneficiary of the GI Bill. Those 65+ today would have been 25+ years old 40 years ago and could have been a beneficiary of the GI Bill. In any event they are in the 55+ age group. OTOH there are relatively few people in the 16-24 age group that are beneficiaries of the GI Bill.

The Bill provides financial assistance for higher education not provision for lowering the admission standards of colleges and/or lowering the quality of a public high school education. Leftist progressives are responsible for both.

But if I missed your point please explain what it is.

look at the shift in distribution of wealth over the last decades

The mere fact that wealth has shifted is insufficient to establish your claim.

you need to analyze and interpret them

The claim is YOURS so that's what YOU need to do. All I need to do is note that you have yet to provide evidence for your claim.

I've caught you in at least two lies today.

Name ONE ...

#33. To: Gatlin (#29)

Yes, it is extremely amusing for me to consider Hillary and Ron are both comfortable with same-sex marriage and both agree that same-sex partners should receive benefits

Same-sex marriage

Asked his opinion on same-sex marriage in October 2011, Paul expressed his support for marriage privatization by replying, "Biblically and historically, the government was very uninvolved in marriage. I like that. I don't know why we should register our marriage to the federal government. I think it's a sacrament." In the same interview, when asked whether he would vote for or against a state constitutional amendment like California's Proposition 8, he said, 'Well, I believe marriage is between one man and one woman.

LGBT rights

On the specific issue of LGBT rights, Paul stated that, “You have to remember, rights don't come in groups we shouldn't have 'gay rights'; rights come as individuals, and we wouldn't have this major debate going on. It would be behavior that would count, not what person belongs to what group.”

A majority of Americans are in favor of a federally funded healthcare system that provides insurance to all Americans, according to a new Gallup poll.

Some 58 percent of respondents support replacing ObamaCare with a universal healthcare system, while 37 percent oppose that plan.

A majority of people in the United States are adversely affected by the current health care regulations, and see Universal Healthcare as a way out of such crushing price jumps.

Little do they know (those uninformed and unwashed masses) that the past four decades (or more) of health care reform lay may well be the reason for the price increases and lack of available care.

The citizens are not ready for that which the powerful are ready to unleash upon them.

That’s the place where ANYONE can EDIT ALL entries, where they can easily undermine facts through malice or ignorance … uh, is that correct?

You will not believe Snopes, but you accept Wikipedia as the gospel, right?

You are one complex and misguided individual.

Geeze …

That’s the place where ANYONE can EDIT ALL entries, where they can easily undermine facts through malice or ignorance … uh, is that correct?

You fucking weasel - you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the ass.

Ron Paul bases his positions on gay marriage on the Constitution. In 2004, Ron Paul spoke in support of the Defense of Marriage Act, passed in 1996. This act allows a state to decline to recognize gay marriage or same-sex marriages performed in other states or countries, although a state will usually recognize legal marriages performed outside of its own jurisdiction.

The Defense of Marriage Act also prohibits the U.S. government from recognizing same-sex marriages, even if a state recognizes the marriage. Paul co-sponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would have barred federal judges from hearing cases pertaining to the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act.

In 2004 and 2006, Paul voted against amending the US Constitution to define marriage as between one man and one woman. though he does not support allowing gay and lesbian couples to wed. He saw the amendment as a usurpation of the states’ authority.

“Mr. Speaker, while I oppose federal efforts to redefine marriage as something other than a union between one man and one woman, I do not believe a constitutional amendment is either a necessary or proper way to defend marriage,” he said in 2006.

Paul said he supports the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), a law that bars federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allows the states to do the same.

“If I were in Congress in 1996, I would have voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, which used Congress’ constitutional authority to define what official state documents other states have to recognize under the Full Faith and Credit Clause, to ensure that no state would be forced to recognize a same-sex marriage license issued in another state,” he said in 2006.

Paul’s statement on the amendment and DOMA was placed in the Congressional Record in 2006 and the same statement had been placed there in 2004.

Paul’s opposition to queer community goals dates to at least 1980, when he was among a group of Washington legislators introducing anti-gay legislation. Paul’s bill, the Family Protection Act, barred the federal government from funding “any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggests that it can be an acceptable life style.”

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Meanwhile - Trump tells Catlin Jenner (and presumably ALL transgenders) that they are free to use ANY bathroom they like in any of his buildings.

And - THAT is the candidate that YOU support.

I've caught you in at least two lies today.

Nope!

While you may try to say that Ron Paul opposes same-sex marriage, however the truth is much more complex and somewhat confusing.

His view on same-sex marriage is a states rights issue and he believes homosexuals should be allowed to marry in states that legalize the practice. In fact, he says: “in a free society…all voluntary and consensual agreements would be recognized. There should essentially be no limits to the voluntary definition of marriage.”

Now try to say that ain’t so …

Hypocrites, both you and he.

- you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the ass.

Then you help me.

Answer the questions and explain your answers.

Does Ron Paul want to legalize prostitution at the federal lever … is that a good or a bad thing?

Does Ron Paul want to legalize ALL drugs including cocaine and heroin … is that a good or a bad thing?