Fuck Ted Cruz and his anti American new world order trade agenda.

Spit.

Among Cruz supporters, 56 percent said it should be the best nominee, and 42 percent said it should be the candidate with the most votes

The Cruz voters are right. This is NOT a democracy it's representative Republic.

Letting the elected delegates decide is what's supposed to happen in a Republic.

Trump voters are mob rule democracy collectivists, like Bernie supporters.

I wouldn't vote for Ted Cruz for any reason.

And you'd vote for Trump or Kasich?

Fuck Ted Cruz and his anti American new world order trade agenda.

Cruz waffled around on TPA/TPP, trying to be on all sides of the issue over the course of a month.

I don't have any idea of what his real position is.

Other minor helps for Cruz is Priebus is from WI and so is Speaker Ryan (who Trump badmouthed in his hometown, Janesville). A crowd of Trump's crackpots cheered him for that but it could not have played well with the WI GOP voters at large. Wisconsin GOP voters are rightly proud of the power of the state GOP they've built up and its major role in national GOP politics.

I'm not sure if Walker is interested but this could signal a cabinet position for him, certainly consideration on the Cruz VP short list. Kasich is better positioned than Walker for VP. So is Rubio who is carefully guarding his 170+ delegates to keep them bound to him until the convention when he could release them and urge them to vote for Cruz so he could become VP (or SoS or SoD). Kasich is the guy Cruz would want as VP to run against Hitlery (and carry indispensable Ohio) but Rubio is the guy that Cruz may not be able to win the nomination without.

My Dead Dawg Scruffy

Scruffy is definitely my #2 pick.

Mentioning him reminds me of another recent dearly departed.

Free Fred!     : )

Around a third of these delegates arrive at the convention unbound.

And Rubio has 170+ delegates he is guarding like an old hen guarding her eggs. But he can unbind them on the first ballot in return for VP/SoS/SoD. But he can't run with Trump, not after all that tiny hands taunting and the rest of the stuff he said about Trump repeatedly.

Barring the strange and unusual, even for this campaign, I believe that Trump will get the nomination on the first ballot. Uncommitted delegates will put him over the top.

Cruz seems to have locked up 90%. I don't see how you can say that seriously.

Cruz is also locking up significant numbers of delegate slots with his supporters, people who are bound to vote for Trump on the first (or second) ballot but who will then flock to Cruz.

And Rubio is just waiting with his hoard of 172 delegates. Kasich has 54. And Bush and others have some to toss in too, for their final revenge against The Donald's sneers at them.

If Rubio and Kasich and Bush and others unbind their delegates and Cruz has hundreds of unbound delegates plus about 800 of his own delegates, Cruz could win on the first ballot against Trump, outright.

Cruz seems to have locked up 90%.

90% of what?

Cruz will be mathematically eliminated from any possibility whatever of attaining a 1237 majority after the April 19th primary in New York. Cruz is running in third, has been there for a while, and is over 30 points behind Trump. Cruz can preach, but he can't sell his brand of snake oil in New York.

Cruz is likely to be shut out in the northeast.

I wouldn't vote for Ted Cruz for any reason.

And you'd vote for Trump or Kasich?

For me it is Trump or nobody. I could care less if the choice is between anyone else. There is no difference.

Cruz will be mathematically eliminated from any possibility whatever of attaining a 1237 majority after the April 19th primary in New York.

It will take a lot of opium smoking to see how Cruz has a realistic chance to get 1237 on the first ballot even with the uncommitted and unbound delegates. Both CNN and Fox have been doing the math based on the current polling in the remaining 13 +/- states. There is an odds on bet that Trump will be 45 or so votes short going into the convention with about 150 uncommitted/unbound delegates to be had. Trump's chances look good to get the 45 +/- out of these that he needs. But this has been a very strange campaign year.

Bottom line, IDM who gets the REP nomination as the REP Party is toast in 2016.

Tonight was Cruz' last victory, so enjoy it while it lasts.

That is not a realistic assessment.

Tonight was Cruz' last victory

Likely so

And Rubio is just waiting with his hoard of 172 delegates. Kasich has 54. And Bush and others have some to toss in too, for their final revenge against The Donald's sneers at them.

If Rubio and Kasich and Bush and others unbind their delegates and Cruz has hundreds of unbound delegates plus about 800 of his own delegates, Cruz could win on the first ballot against Trump, outright.

Rubio has 171. Kasich has 143 (not the 54 you cited).

Still, after NY, it may well be that Trump will have more than Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich combined.

Trump will likely end up with at least something in the neighborhood of 1200.

The GOPe will not unite to nominate Cruz.

The miscellaneous candidates have a grand total of 15 delegates. Carson's 9 is 2 more than the other 4 have.

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker

740 - Trump
514 - Cruz
171 - Rubio
143 - Kasich

9 - Carson
4 - Bush
1 - Fiorina
1 - Huckabee
1 - Paul

23 - Uncommitted

2472 total delegates

1237 needed for majority

888 remaining

Trump needs 497 for a majority.

Cruz/Kasich need 392 to stop Trump. Every delegate that Kasich wins will have Cruz finish that much further behind Trump.

Cruz needs Kasich to stay in and bag some delegates in the northeast. Kasich said so many times that he was beating Hillary in Wisconsin, maybe the Republican voters there thought he was running in the Democratic primary. Tonight, Kasich was non-competitive in every county of Wisconsin. Trump won the most counties. Cruz won the most delegates by far.

Both CNN and Fox have been doing the math based on the current polling in the remaining 13 +/- states. There is an odds on bet that Trump will be 45 or so votes short going into the convention with about 150 uncommitted/unbound delegates to be had.

I do not think current polling will have any validity when it becomes mathematically impossible for Cruz to win a majority. Wisconsin appeared good for Kasich but he was shut out in every county.

Both CNN and Fox have been doing the math based on the current polling in the remaining 13 +/- states. There is an odds on bet that Trump will be 45 or so votes short going into the convention with about 150 uncommitted/unbound delegates to be had.

I do not think current polling will have any validity when it becomes mathematically impossible for Cruz to win a majority. Wisconsin appeared good for Kasich but he was shut out in every county.

I certainly would not put any money on the predictive accuracy of the polling. Didn't one poll yesterday have Trump 10% up on Cruz in WI?

But again, IDM who the REPs wind up nominating they are toast in Nov.

Free Fred! : )

Free Fred!

Cruz is likely to be shut out in the northeast.

That speaks highly for him. The northeast ain't America.

Not a natural born citizen. His mother renounced her citizenship. That is why that asswipe cheater will not release his immigration papers. He was a Canadian until a couple of years ago.

We have one president from Kenya, and another wannabe from Canada. You got a problem with that?

It's the trend. Next month we start a reality TV series, "How to move to America, mouth off, and become president"

Outside of his citizenship, I have greater problems with Cruz. He has as great an allegiance to Mexican illegals as Americans. Like supports like. His background suggests Goldman Sacks and company. He is a lying disgrace to himself and to the American people supporting him.

Wisconsin appeared good for Kasich but he was shut out in every county.

I don't see where you get that at all. It was always Trump who was expected to do well in WI and who had led in a number of polls until a few weeks ago.

Since you've been doing delegate math, you might check out my new thread on delegate counts. It does have some state-by-state details on the mechanics of awarding GOP delegates.

How can you go for Cruz after what he did to the middle eastern Christians?

Showboating for Adelson, to little effect.

Cruz unintentionally did raise the profile for this meeting which would have gone almost unknown in American media if not for Cruz.

Not that that excuses Cruz's grandstanding.

Even so, I can think of dozens of things about Trump that I dislike as much or more than Cruz's behavior at that event.

It will take a lot of opium smoking to see how Cruz has a realistic chance to get 1237 on the first ballot even with the uncommitted and unbound delegates.

Pass the hookah, dude.

BTW, Trump is not a witch.

"Around a third of these delegates arrive at the convention unbound."

I'll say it again. If Trump walks into Cleveland with the lion's share of delegates and does not walk out with the nomination, there's going to be trouble for the GOP -- no matter who they nominate or how they nominated him.

"so is Speaker Ryan (who Trump badmouthed in his hometown, Janesville)."

Didn't I post the YouTube clip of that? Trump simply mentioned Paul Ryan's name and the crowd booed. You need that posted again? How many times will you post that lie?

If Trump walks into Cleveland with the lion's share of delegates and does not walk out with the nomination, there's going to be trouble for the GOP -- no matter who they nominate or how they nominated him.

And you somehow imagine there wouldn't be big trouble if Trump did get the nomination?

You're not scaring anyone, any more than Roger Stone is with his threats about rioting ("Days of Rage") and publishing the hotel room numbers of anti-Trump delegates (some of whom are bound to vote for Trump on the first ballot but who could dump him on the second or third ballot to defect to Cruz).

Roger Stone: We’ll disclose the hotel room number for any delegate in Cleveland who tries to “steal” the nomination from Trump

“We urge you to visit their hotel and find them.”

You really think these threats help your candidate? Or do they make Trump and his supporters more hated by everyone else? Imagine for a moment it was Cruz and his supporters threatening to riot or to bully delegates. Would you want to cave to threats from them? I don't think so.

It's a question of group dynamics. Making threats rarely prevails in relatively homogeneous groups like registered GOP voters.

Trump simply mentioned Paul Ryan's name and the crowd booed. You need that posted again?

Doesn't matter. Whether it's Trump or the kinds of supporters he draws, the offensiveness to the average WI GOP voter and to GOP voters in general is already established. You don't get to just wish it away.

There have been some elements at Trump's rallies that almost seem like plants for the Dems or perhaps agitators trying to make Trump look bad. The Bernie crowd would be likely suspects in WI.

Doesn't matter.

Yep. Truth doesn't matter to you.

Yep. Truth doesn't matter to you.

Sure, I'm the problem. Not Trump's many ignorant remarks and how he's wasted his time and failed to build up an actual winning campaign organization nationwide (an integral part of every nomination contest in both parties).

Blame me. I alone, here at little LF, have caused this terrible grief to poor maligned Donald.

Sure, I'm the problem.

You overestimate yourself.

"Doesn't matter."

The truth doesn't matter or your lies don't matter?

"the offensiveness to the average WI GOP voter"

Think they're offended now? Wait until President Trump removes that 45% protective tariff on foreign motorcycles.

The truth doesn't matter or your lies don't matter?

Both.

"And you somehow imagine there wouldn't be big trouble if Trump did get the nomination?"

Big trouble from who? Racist agitators?

So you're saying we shouldn't vote for Trump because blacks may riot?

Trump certainly brings out the true colors in people, doesn't he? If nothing else, we now see people for who they really are.

Roger Stone: We’ll disclose the hotel room number for any delegate in Cleveland who tries to “steal” the nomination from Trump

"That's not a threat. That's a promise." --John Wayne

The truth doesn't matter or your lies don't matter?

Pick one. Like I care. Or anyone else cares about a few posts by anyone here at LF.

You greatly overestimate the impact of a chat room like LF.

And Rubio is just waiting with his hoard of 172 delegates. Kasich has 54. And Bush and others have some to toss in too, for their final revenge against The Donald's sneers at them.

If Rubio and Kasich and Bush and others unbind their delegates and Cruz has hundreds of unbound delegates plus about 800 of his own delegates, Cruz could win on the first ballot against Trump, outright.

Trump WILL go into the convention with a plurality of delegates. I don't know if he can get to 1237. Trump is going to have a good week or two coming up. That probably won't continue for Western States after that. The big prize is California, and I have no clue as to how that will go.

But all that being said, I repeat, Trump will have a plurality of the delegates going into the convention. If The RNC relies on formal rules to take this from Trump, he will disrupt the convention. he is rather pissed off at his treatment from the GOP elites anyway.

And this won't be like the Ron Paul nuts demanding they be heard while they are laughed off the premises. If the RNC can't get Trump to play ball, he will essentially destroy the convention.

Why are you quoting Roger Stone? He has nothing to do with the Trump campaign, nor does the Trump campaign have anything to do with him.

Come off it. Stone is Trump's longest political adviser and buddy, going back decades. Stone admits that he is still in contact with Trump and some elements of his staff on a regular basis. And he seems to be serving as an unofficial spokesman, something he couldn't do without Trump's blessing.

But all that being said, I repeat, Trump will have a plurality of the delegates going into the convention.

Nothing in the rules suggests or states that anything less than the prescribed 1237 delegates will win the nomination. Nothing.

The nominee is the first guy to get to 1237, no matter what else happens.

If The RNC relies on formal rules to take this from Trump, he will disrupt the convention.

If situations were reversed and Cruz had the larger plurality, you'd be arguing the opposite. Because you're for Your Guy and against that Other Guy.

"That's not a threat. That's a promise." --John Wayne"

Trump certainly brings out the true colors in people, doesn't he? If nothing else, we now see people for who they really are.

The scales have fallen from your eyes, eh? A regular epiphany.

It's so surprising, given how secretive I have been about opposing Trump. When did I give myself away? Was it when Trump announced his candidacy and I promptly posted NRO's article, Witless Ape Rides Escalator? In retrospect, I may have tipped my hand with that one.