I could see that the Chinese might be countering Vietnamese aggression

I think Far East people follow their bargaining methods. They are pushing one another to find the right balance. Once they divvy up, they will make a treaty.

Of course for the West it is unacceptable and outrageous. Only a true war and ruin like Opium War could be satisfactory.

It is called the "South China Sea" not the "South Yankee Sea". You neocon scum always want war. I hope Trump lets the Chinese have it. Tells Vietnam to go fuck themselves.

They are building islands in international waters. Screw the Chinese.

I hope Trump blows up the islands and kills all the Chinks on the island. Then point 78 petcent of our nukes at China.

Screw theose commies.

Shut off trade with them 100 percetn. Or 1000 percent tariffs.

No food to the slant eyes.

matter to an international court

Fuck international court. Screw your new world order.

China is our enemy. They are slanted eye commies.

This is our region, not yours.

Every area of the earth is our area. It is international waters. Don't be a pussy. You're afraid of the evil Chinese.

Go hide under your bed.

I think we have helped you out once too often

Without America your island of former prisoners would be slaves to the Chinese.

Are you a communist?

Every area of the earth is our area. It is international waters. Don't be a pussy. You're afraid of the evil Chinese.

Go hide under your bed.

I think the problem is you

I think the problem is you

Yes it is all my fault.

We have strategic treaties with The Philippines ,Taiwan ,and Japan . These countries and China are dividing step by step islands in question, without war. No need for an outside intervention

Japan and Taiwan have the means to defend their interests . Philippines do not on their own.

It's called the 9 Dash -line . It is the real territorial claim that the Chinese make on the South China Sea .It goes out 100s of miles in all directions beyond their legitimate claim.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/9_dotted_line.png

If unchecked they would make the South China Sea ,the Yellow Sea , and the East China Sea Chinese lakes . It is the equivalent as if we drew a big line around the Gulf of Mexico and claimed it all as our own.

Did you have any other comments to make about my personal neocon perturbation?

Yeah, since your an Israel Firster it means you cannot be for an America First policy. That's why you guys are so against Pat Buchanan. Scratch a neocon and you'll find a traitor.

Shut off trade with them 100 percent. Or 1000 percent tariffs.

If we believe this will be the Second American Century, that time is on our side, that Chinese communism is a dead faith, we ought to avoid a clash and show our opposition to Beijing’s excesses, if need be, by imposing tariffs on all goods made in China.

China’s oligarchs will understand that message.

It is the equivalent as if we drew a big line around the Gulf of Mexico and claimed it all as our own.

You mean you haven't done that? Tom, frankly I don't care if China makes the South China sea a chinese lake, noooneelse seems to have had an interest in it and now that they are interested we have a turf war going on

don't come crying to me when the Chinese pulverize coral reef in the Coral Sea and claim territory there . If they can't be stopped well beyond their legitimate territorial claim ,then why would they stop there ?

Seems to me that a Chinese fleet may have dropped anchor in Darwin 5 or 6 hundred years ago.

That's why you guys are so against Pat Buchanan.

You are another fuckin' nutcase.

you know very well the strategic importance of the region as far as the transit of international trade. Each year, $5.3 trillion of trade passes through the South China Sea.

Where has China closed transit or threatened to do so?

They are building islands in international waters. Screw the Chinese.

Disputed waters and not America's problem and I say this as a Trump supporter who wants to end free trade with China. The USA will fight a war to secure Communist Vietnam's claim over Red China's claim? Over the kick out the USA Philippines claim?

What is wrong with you war mongers?

The funny thing is that if we show strength China will back down and there will be peace .

That is what people thought in 1914 also.............

"The funny thing is that if we show strength China will back down and there will be peace ."

That is what people thought in 1914 also.............

I wonder if some people yearn for the war, for the great world war. But they are afraid to admit it before themselves.

Before 1914 Germans dreamed dreams about Siegfried and his sword Nothung.

"The funny thing is that if we show strength China will back down and there will be peace ." That is what people thought in 1914 also.............

I wonder if some people yearn for the war, for the great world war. But they are afraid to admit it before themselves.

Before 1914 Germans dreamed dreams about Siegfried and his sword Nothung.

I don't get the mentality for Americans. I can understand why Europeans would be like this. But Americans? It comes from American imperialist ideology.

Disputed waters and not America's problem and I say this as a Trump supporter who wants to end free trade with China. The USA will fight a war to secure Communist Vietnam's claim over Red China's claim? Over the kick out the USA Philippines claim?

What is wrong with you war mongers?

Who cares about Viet nam. Those are waters that we use for trade. That the world uses for trade.

They want it to be considered part of China and to keep everyone out of the area.

How about we build islands across the ocean every 24 miles. We can drop cables to anchor to the bottom. Then have some kind of "net" if you will to dump stuff in. Then we can claim the Atlantic Ocean then later the Pacific Ocean is ours and to keep out. Because we have expanded our territory with artificial islands. Sounds like a good ideal. Lets claim the Atlantic, Pacific and Gulf of Mexico.

hut off trade with them 100 percent. Or 1000 percent tariffs.

I was exaggerating on that comment.

Seems to me that a Chinese fleet may have dropped anchor in Darwin 5 or 6 hundred years ago

Yes they currently have a lease on the port of Darwin and no doubt they visited the west coast of america. We are frequently visited by american ships, should we be concerned?

How about we build islands across the ocean every 24 miles. We can drop cables to anchor to the bottom. Then have some kind of "net" if you will to dump stuff in. Then we can claim the Atlantic Ocean then later the Pacific Ocean is ours and to keep out. Because we have expanded our territory with artificial islands. Sounds like a good ideal. Lets claim the Atlantic, Pacific and Gulf of Mexico.

I thought you had already done that, Hawaii, Midway, Guam, Okinawa, Japan to name a few. becuase you have these islands you think of the Pacific as your pond

I thought you had already done that, Hawaii, Midway, Guam, Okinawa, Japan to name a few. becuase you have these islands you think of the Pacific as your pond

We need them to be every 24 miles. That way we can claim the entire ocean.

We don't have islands every 24 miles right now.

shut off trade with them 100 percent. Or 1000 percent tariffs.

I was exaggerating on that comment.

Nonetheless, you've hit upon their Achilles heel. A trade war is better than a shooting war, it will actually bring in tariff revenue. Our recent shooting wars involve flushing a trillion dollars down the toilet so Iran can control Iraq. Best thing would be to get China embroiled in the Middle East, if they have all this military energy let them work it off over there.

How about we build islands across the ocean every 24 miles.

Every 400 nautical miles would allow you to enlarge your EEZ. We could also encourage nations like Peru and Chile to expand their EEZ to 500 nautical miles, recognize their claim, and then based upon that precedent establish our own 500 nautical mile EEZ. That would be an America First foreign policy, rather than all this good nonsense we do now like keeping the trade routes open for other nations.

They want it to be considered part of China and to keep everyone out of the area.

They want to control the natural resources not block traffic. So you are wrong.

and if you do that you reinforce China's claim on the South China Sea

and it would give us control over half of Indonesia. You see you don't understand how impractiable such ideas are

and if you do that you reinforce China's claim on the South China Sea

So what?

China gets the cow tongue, and we get exclusive control over our territorial seas stretching from Alaska to Hawaii and over to California, with a slice for Canada. And we don't even have dog in the South China Sea dispute anyway. If Australia is so worked up over the cow tongue perhaps you can do something about it, but leave us out of your disputes.

and if you do that you reinforce China's claim on the South China Sea

and it would give us control over half of Indonesia. You see you don't understand how impractiable such ideas are

Or visa versa. But that is your problem, not ours.

China gets the cow tongue, and we get exclusive control over our territorial seas stretching from Alaska to Hawaii and over to California, with a slice for Canada. And we don't even have dog in the South China Sea dispute anyway. If Australia is so worked up over the cow tongue perhaps you can do something about it, but leave us out of your disputes.

The problem with your argument is that we aren't going to claim that territory. They are.

The problem with your argument is that we aren't going to claim that territory. They are.

For now, yes. But China would be establishing the precedent we could use at a later date. Even the prospect that we might follow their precedent may motivate other nations to challenge them.

A military confrontation with them is a bad idea. They would have chosen the place of battle, and battle should not be accepted on the enemies terms. The response to China should be asymmetrical in the diplomatic or economic realm. Go for an economic Aegospotami, and the best place to do that is our own ports, we wield the power but lack the will at present. Economic nationalism is the weapon.

P.S. Hope you enjoy the Trump rally, I remember shaking Reagan's hand back in 1976 at a rally.

A military confrontation with them is a bad idea.

What about cooperation instead of the confrontation?

If Australia is so worked up over the cow tongue perhaps you can do something about it, but leave us out of your disputes.

That is exactly what I say to the USA leave us out of your disputes. it is the USA that is worked up about it, not us

We arn't interested in the South China Sea, not our pond we have millions of square miles of the Indian, Pacific and Southern Oceans to be concerned about and frankly I don't think we need any more of it

What about cooperation instead of the confrontation?

We're been doing that, we've lost millions of job as a result, with thousands of shuttered factories. How about we put American workers first by putting America first? Beats your free trade global wealth scheme, or as you call it "cooperation." Your beloved "cooperation" has us running a billion dollar per tay trade deficit with China.

That is exactly what I say to the USA leave us out of your disputes.

I wish your empire had had that same philosophy when you pulled every trick in the book to drag us into your power struggles with Germany, all so you guys could loot the German and Ottoman empires.

It was obvious the US could care less about Hitler and Mussolini they just used it as an opportunity to profit and dominate, and they support the Turkish proxy war against Syria and Iraq. There was no loot in the german and ottoman empires and you got more than your fair share benefiting from german technology. All we got was sand, but the French still receive us gratefully which is more than I can say for you

..."I hope Trump lets the Chinese have it..."

Let's hope he doesn't because China owns most of American assets these days. And they're just as equally bad as Vietnam. Just look how they treat their own people. In other words, be careful of who you are negotiating with. Know your allies and know your enemies. Friend or Foe.

...we beat the Turks, not you...

...There was no loot in the german and ottoman empires...

That's right, you guys are the ones to thank for bringing down the Ottoman Empire and creating the present day Middle East. You ended up with Turkish loot in the form of Iraq, Trans-Jordan and Palestine, which you and France carved up secretly in the Sykes-Picot agreement.

Your empire ended up with German loot also; Namibia, Tanganyika, Nauru, Upper New Guinea, Bismarck Archipelago, Bougainville and Western Samoa. You guys lied us into war and reneged on your debts, and then you think we owe you some sort of gratitude. That was a turf war between 2 gangs of thieves, we had no dog in your fight.

To: paraclete Gallipoli is no where near Australia, what were you diggers doing all the way over there? Why did you guys send troops to invade the Boer nations, murder POW's and missionaries; and then make the murderer a national hero?

I think you understand the concept of being allied to another nation and our action at Gallipoli, however ill advised, was part of that.

At the time of the Boer war Australia was a colony, subject to the rule of others and a pert of Britain. If soldiers behave in the wrong way they are treated as criminals, they are not immune from prosecution.

I also note that you don't understand being part of something larger than your own nation, you are more frequently the aggressor than the saviour and yet you think that you can judge history. look first to the atrocities committed on your own soil and in various parts of the world