You neocon scum always want war ...

Well, I am satisfied that we got your well "reasoned" post out of the way today. Did you have any other comments to make about my personal neocon perturbation?

Yes they are close to the Phillipines but if the Phillipines were really interested in them they should have taken possession or at least taken the matter to an international court

What america has its nose out of joint over is the chinese move effectively blocks US companies from exploiting the resources. It seems noone cared about any of this until China took an interest

We don't want war over a few reefs the Chinese have dredged and created islands.

Relax. Unlike Oz, America has the TRUMPINATOR card to be played in Jupitor, FL, once his emminence gets the keys to the oral office. Yes, it is all negotiation, now. So, step aside and let the US do the work for you as you hide your head in the sand like an ostrich.

Got it?

America has the TRUMPINATOR card to be played

Trump will claim the islands for his golf course, eminent domain!

But if you are timid about it ,and don't want US forces flying out of Aussie ,then perhaps it's time we negotiate with the Philippines to reopen Subic Bay and Clark AFB to the US military. Thankfully your nation has more common sense and has joined us in joint freedom of navigation exercises ,including flying your RAAF P-3 Orions over the disputed "islands" .

you know very well the strategic importance of the region as far as the transit of international trade.

Can you tell me of any international incident concerning a commercial vessel, the only incident has been the transit of a US warship in a deliberately provacative manner. You claim they are in contravention of international law, so take them to court and prove your preeminent right to the reef. As to bases in the Phillipines this is all your fault, the Chinese would not have pulled this if you were still there and they are making sure you don't come back

I don't want US forces flying out of Australia to intimidate the Chinese. You know I don't like the idea of US bases on Australian soil. We have debated this previously. We don't have bases on your soil. You don't understand that this rabid attitude of the US is very concerning to other nations. This is our region, not yours. We arn't interested in a standoff with the chinese over a couple of reefs. You have aircraft carriers, they have reefs. We have large commercial interests in the region and they arn't enhanced by your behaviour as we are seen as your sidekick. If my governemnt is stupid and slavishly follows you, I don't have to fall in line, it is a free country so long as we keep you out of it.

We recently had one of your air force generals making what I consider a politial speech on our soil urging us to be confrontational to the Chinese. The ugly side of yankee imperialism is on display again. We don't need your serving senior officers giving us paternalistic advice. Personally I think we have helped you out once too often

We have strategic treaties with The Philippines ,Taiwan ,and Japan .

These countries and China are dividing step by step islands in question, without war. No need for an outside intervention:

I could see that the Chinese might be countering Vietnamese aggression

I think Far East people follow their bargaining methods. They are pushing one another to find the right balance. Once they divvy up, they will make a treaty.

Of course for the West it is unacceptable and outrageous. Only a true war and ruin like Opium War could be satisfactory.

It is called the "South China Sea" not the "South Yankee Sea". You neocon scum always want war. I hope Trump lets the Chinese have it. Tells Vietnam to go fuck themselves.

They are building islands in international waters. Screw the Chinese.

I hope Trump blows up the islands and kills all the Chinks on the island. Then point 78 petcent of our nukes at China.

Screw theose commies.

Shut off trade with them 100 percetn. Or 1000 percent tariffs.

No food to the slant eyes.

matter to an international court

Fuck international court. Screw your new world order.

China is our enemy. They are slanted eye commies.

This is our region, not yours.

Every area of the earth is our area. It is international waters. Don't be a pussy. You're afraid of the evil Chinese.

Go hide under your bed.

I think we have helped you out once too often

Without America your island of former prisoners would be slaves to the Chinese.

Are you a communist?

Every area of the earth is our area. It is international waters. Don't be a pussy. You're afraid of the evil Chinese.

Go hide under your bed.

I think the problem is you

I think the problem is you

Yes it is all my fault.

We have strategic treaties with The Philippines ,Taiwan ,and Japan . These countries and China are dividing step by step islands in question, without war. No need for an outside intervention

Japan and Taiwan have the means to defend their interests . Philippines do not on their own.

It's called the 9 Dash -line . It is the real territorial claim that the Chinese make on the South China Sea .It goes out 100s of miles in all directions beyond their legitimate claim.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/9_dotted_line.png

If unchecked they would make the South China Sea ,the Yellow Sea , and the East China Sea Chinese lakes . It is the equivalent as if we drew a big line around the Gulf of Mexico and claimed it all as our own.

Did you have any other comments to make about my personal neocon perturbation?

Yeah, since your an Israel Firster it means you cannot be for an America First policy. That's why you guys are so against Pat Buchanan. Scratch a neocon and you'll find a traitor.

Shut off trade with them 100 percent. Or 1000 percent tariffs.

If we believe this will be the Second American Century, that time is on our side, that Chinese communism is a dead faith, we ought to avoid a clash and show our opposition to Beijing’s excesses, if need be, by imposing tariffs on all goods made in China.

China’s oligarchs will understand that message.

It is the equivalent as if we drew a big line around the Gulf of Mexico and claimed it all as our own.

You mean you haven't done that? Tom, frankly I don't care if China makes the South China sea a chinese lake, noooneelse seems to have had an interest in it and now that they are interested we have a turf war going on

don't come crying to me when the Chinese pulverize coral reef in the Coral Sea and claim territory there . If they can't be stopped well beyond their legitimate territorial claim ,then why would they stop there ?

Seems to me that a Chinese fleet may have dropped anchor in Darwin 5 or 6 hundred years ago.

That's why you guys are so against Pat Buchanan.

You are another fuckin' nutcase.

you know very well the strategic importance of the region as far as the transit of international trade. Each year, $5.3 trillion of trade passes through the South China Sea.

Where has China closed transit or threatened to do so?

They are building islands in international waters. Screw the Chinese.

Disputed waters and not America's problem and I say this as a Trump supporter who wants to end free trade with China. The USA will fight a war to secure Communist Vietnam's claim over Red China's claim? Over the kick out the USA Philippines claim?

What is wrong with you war mongers?

The funny thing is that if we show strength China will back down and there will be peace .

That is what people thought in 1914 also.............

"The funny thing is that if we show strength China will back down and there will be peace ."

That is what people thought in 1914 also.............

I wonder if some people yearn for the war, for the great world war. But they are afraid to admit it before themselves.

Before 1914 Germans dreamed dreams about Siegfried and his sword Nothung.

"The funny thing is that if we show strength China will back down and there will be peace ." That is what people thought in 1914 also.............

I wonder if some people yearn for the war, for the great world war. But they are afraid to admit it before themselves.

Before 1914 Germans dreamed dreams about Siegfried and his sword Nothung.

I don't get the mentality for Americans. I can understand why Europeans would be like this. But Americans? It comes from American imperialist ideology.

Disputed waters and not America's problem and I say this as a Trump supporter who wants to end free trade with China. The USA will fight a war to secure Communist Vietnam's claim over Red China's claim? Over the kick out the USA Philippines claim?

What is wrong with you war mongers?

Who cares about Viet nam. Those are waters that we use for trade. That the world uses for trade.

They want it to be considered part of China and to keep everyone out of the area.

How about we build islands across the ocean every 24 miles. We can drop cables to anchor to the bottom. Then have some kind of "net" if you will to dump stuff in. Then we can claim the Atlantic Ocean then later the Pacific Ocean is ours and to keep out. Because we have expanded our territory with artificial islands. Sounds like a good ideal. Lets claim the Atlantic, Pacific and Gulf of Mexico.

hut off trade with them 100 percent. Or 1000 percent tariffs.

I was exaggerating on that comment.

Seems to me that a Chinese fleet may have dropped anchor in Darwin 5 or 6 hundred years ago

Yes they currently have a lease on the port of Darwin and no doubt they visited the west coast of america. We are frequently visited by american ships, should we be concerned?

How about we build islands across the ocean every 24 miles. We can drop cables to anchor to the bottom. Then have some kind of "net" if you will to dump stuff in. Then we can claim the Atlantic Ocean then later the Pacific Ocean is ours and to keep out. Because we have expanded our territory with artificial islands. Sounds like a good ideal. Lets claim the Atlantic, Pacific and Gulf of Mexico.

I thought you had already done that, Hawaii, Midway, Guam, Okinawa, Japan to name a few. becuase you have these islands you think of the Pacific as your pond

I thought you had already done that, Hawaii, Midway, Guam, Okinawa, Japan to name a few. becuase you have these islands you think of the Pacific as your pond

We need them to be every 24 miles. That way we can claim the entire ocean.

We don't have islands every 24 miles right now.

shut off trade with them 100 percent. Or 1000 percent tariffs.

I was exaggerating on that comment.

Nonetheless, you've hit upon their Achilles heel. A trade war is better than a shooting war, it will actually bring in tariff revenue. Our recent shooting wars involve flushing a trillion dollars down the toilet so Iran can control Iraq. Best thing would be to get China embroiled in the Middle East, if they have all this military energy let them work it off over there.

How about we build islands across the ocean every 24 miles.

Every 400 nautical miles would allow you to enlarge your EEZ. We could also encourage nations like Peru and Chile to expand their EEZ to 500 nautical miles, recognize their claim, and then based upon that precedent establish our own 500 nautical mile EEZ. That would be an America First foreign policy, rather than all this good nonsense we do now like keeping the trade routes open for other nations.

They want it to be considered part of China and to keep everyone out of the area.

They want to control the natural resources not block traffic. So you are wrong.

and if you do that you reinforce China's claim on the South China Sea

and it would give us control over half of Indonesia. You see you don't understand how impractiable such ideas are

and if you do that you reinforce China's claim on the South China Sea

So what?

China gets the cow tongue, and we get exclusive control over our territorial seas stretching from Alaska to Hawaii and over to California, with a slice for Canada. And we don't even have dog in the South China Sea dispute anyway. If Australia is so worked up over the cow tongue perhaps you can do something about it, but leave us out of your disputes.

and if you do that you reinforce China's claim on the South China Sea

and it would give us control over half of Indonesia. You see you don't understand how impractiable such ideas are

Or visa versa. But that is your problem, not ours.

China gets the cow tongue, and we get exclusive control over our territorial seas stretching from Alaska to Hawaii and over to California, with a slice for Canada. And we don't even have dog in the South China Sea dispute anyway. If Australia is so worked up over the cow tongue perhaps you can do something about it, but leave us out of your disputes.

The problem with your argument is that we aren't going to claim that territory. They are.

The problem with your argument is that we aren't going to claim that territory. They are.

For now, yes. But China would be establishing the precedent we could use at a later date. Even the prospect that we might follow their precedent may motivate other nations to challenge them.

A military confrontation with them is a bad idea. They would have chosen the place of battle, and battle should not be accepted on the enemies terms. The response to China should be asymmetrical in the diplomatic or economic realm. Go for an economic Aegospotami, and the best place to do that is our own ports, we wield the power but lack the will at present. Economic nationalism is the weapon.

P.S. Hope you enjoy the Trump rally, I remember shaking Reagan's hand back in 1976 at a rally.

A military confrontation with them is a bad idea.

What about cooperation instead of the confrontation?

If Australia is so worked up over the cow tongue perhaps you can do something about it, but leave us out of your disputes.

That is exactly what I say to the USA leave us out of your disputes. it is the USA that is worked up about it, not us

We arn't interested in the South China Sea, not our pond we have millions of square miles of the Indian, Pacific and Southern Oceans to be concerned about and frankly I don't think we need any more of it

What about cooperation instead of the confrontation?

We're been doing that, we've lost millions of job as a result, with thousands of shuttered factories. How about we put American workers first by putting America first? Beats your free trade global wealth scheme, or as you call it "cooperation." Your beloved "cooperation" has us running a billion dollar per tay trade deficit with China.