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Title: The Out Of Touch “Car Guy”
Source: Eric Peters Autos
URL Source: https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2019/08/07/the-out-of-touch-car-guy/
Published: Aug 7, 2019
Author: Eric
Post Date: 2019-08-15 05:42:07 by Deckard
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Jay Leno used to be funny – and now he is again. Just unintentionally.

“There is almost no reason to have a gas car,” he announced on CNBC the other day. “I have a Tesla. I’ve had it for three years. I’ve never done anything. There’s no fluids to change. There’s nothing.”

Nothing?

Jay – who styles himself a Car Guy – ought to know better. Assuming he knows anything about cars.

No fluids to change?

Well, no oil/transmission fluid to change.

How about brake fluid? Electric cars have this fluid, just like any other car – and it does need to be changed. It’s a good idea to change it about once every  . . . three years. Tesla recommends a check every two.

Jay apparently didn’t read the manual.

There is also coolant. Whoops!

And of course, electric cars have tires and brake pads and other wear items that . . . wear out. Jay – like everyone else who drives any car – will eventually have to do not only something but several things.

Including a few things people who don’t buy electric cars will never have to do.

The first thing he did was pay tens of thousands of dollars more for his electric car. Which costs him a great deal more than oil and filter changes.

He also paid to install a high-voltage “fast” charger at his garage, which added about $1,000 (for the parts and the electrician to do the wiring).

This essentially mandatory option – unless you don’t mind waiting 8-12 hours to recharge on standard 120 volt household current – isn’t listed on the window sticker. But not paying for this option is like not springing for tires for a non-electric car.

It’s hard to get rolling.

So far, he hasn’t paid the motor fuels taxes which are applied to every gallon of gas bought by non-electric car drivers. But that is going to change – and then Jay (and every other EV owner) will have to do another thing:

Pay for their currently free lunch.

He’ll also eventually have to do something people who don’t buy electric cars will never have to do: Spend thousands on a new battery pack when the one in his Tesla begins to lose its capacity to receive – and retain – a charge.

Which will increasingly and then dramatically reduce his car’s driving range – ultimately to nill. Which is something that never happens to a non-electric car, unless the engine locks up or the transmission starts to slip.

Which sometimes happens, but not often. And not necessarily. You may never have to deal with that problem… if you don’t own an electric car.

But you will have to deal with it if you own an electric car. Maybe not for five years – or even ten. But, eventually,

Inevitably.

Battery “ED” – so to speak – always happens, because of battery chemistry. The cycle of discharging/charging batteries is – effectively – wear and tear on them and it wears them all out eventually. This can be put off via “thermal management,” and by restricting “fast” charging” to not quite full charging (which reduces the full-charge range).

But it can’t be avoided. Battery wilt is as inevitable as a clutch eventually wearing out in a non-electric car with a manual transmission.

Transmissions – and engines – eventually wear out, too.

But not as soon. And they don’t cost as much.

A  clutch job might be necessary once every 100,000 miles or so – if you’re hard on the thing – and it’ll generally cost you less than $1,000 bucks to fix. A transmission job is rarely necessary at all. Most non-electric car drivetrains will last the useful life of the vehicle, which is easily 15 years or more.

It is doubtful – and probably impossible, as a matter of chemistry – for a battery subjected to repetitive discharge/charge cycling to last 15 years or even 10 before it begins to show signs of wear and tear (won’t hold charge/loses charge more rapidly). Which means the car won’t go as far before it needs to be recharged again . . . which accelerates the wear and tear.

Soon, it won’t go at all.

Presto, you need a new battery.

And replacing a Tesla’s battery pack will cost you thousands more – on top of the tens of thousands extra you already paid for the car.

These seem like pretty good reasons to not buy an EV.

Jay told MSNBC: “For new technology to succeed, it can’t be equal. It’s got to be better.”

Exactly so.

Which is why it’s hilarious to listen to Leno say that about cars that aren’t.

Of course, Jay has literally dozens of other cars – so he never has to sweat how far his Tesla can go or how long it takes to recharge, because he can always take something else. Which is true of most electric car owners. They own a non-electric car to cover the electric car’s deficits. To take them on the longer trips the EV can’t make without multiple stops – and long waits. To have a car that they don’t have to plan their day around.

That they can just get in, spur of the moment – and go.

Why not just skip the EV? Buy one non-electric car that doesn’t practically force you to buy a second car?

Which brings us to the final thing.

Jay is very wealthy – another thing that is true of almost all electric car owners. They have to be – in order to be able to afford spending many thousands of dollars more for their electric cars – plus the spare non-electric car, which they need for the same reasons most of us buy non-electric cars: To be able to get where we’re going, right now.

And back again. In the same day.

But not everyone is wealthy – like Jay and his idol, Elon Musk. Who is wealthy because of subsidies – paid for mostly by people who aren’t – and can’t afford to buy Teslas like the one Jay’s driving around.

It’s a hoot – possibly his best monologue to date.

Except he didn’t mean for it to be funny.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

Jay Leno used to be funny – and now he is again.

Not to me.

I would watch Leno's Youtube channel when he featured a car I liked.

Until the day he went ridin' with Biden. They are good friends Jay and Joe.

I realized, in a sickening way, that Jay had no problems with Joe's behavior.

Around that same time, Leno was particularly rude to a guest...insulted the man and tossed the guy's collectable paperwork into the trunk like it was trash.

watchman  posted on  2019-08-15   6:43:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

Jay Leno, The Out Of Touch “Car Guy” ...

It is Eric who is the out of touch car cuy and not Jay Leno.

Eric is one of those who will not let There are always those who will never let facts change their minds.

The auto industry will soon be undergoing a major paradigm shift of transitioning from gas-powered cars to electric vehicles. Going to electric vehicles is not just some dumb eco-friendly goal. It’s a colossal business reality.

Electrification is something “Eric” cannot stop anymore by making fun of Jay Leno – for, it’s coming. The growth rate is between 50 and 60 percent on a global level according to Elmer Kades, a managing director with the consulting firm AlixPartners.

After all, according to Tom Murphy, a managing editor at Wards Auto which ranks the world’s best engines, electric cars are just “fun to drive.” Extolling the electric vehicle’s ninja-like performance and instant acceleration, Murphy says, “They’re enjoyable, they’re quiet … and there’s loads of torque.”

According to Wall Street Journal automotive columnist Dan Neil, electric vehicles “are such better machines than the machines they’re replacing,” that consumers could elect to retire their gas guzzlers long before the end of the vehicles’ useful lives. “Just like plasma TVs. … A lot of plasma TVs didn’t see the useful end of their lives before they were replaced by much cheaper, but also much better, LCD screens.”

Nevertheless, the timeline for the transition to electric cars continues to be a point of contention among analysts. Felipe Munoz, a global analyst at JATO, predicts electric vehicles will outsell conventional ones by 2030. Bill Visnic, editorial director at the Society of Automotive Engineers, is less optimistic. He predicts gas- and diesel-powered “combustion engines really aren’t going anywhere for quite some time.”

Mary Nichols, who heads the California Air Resources Board, agrees that internal combustion engines aren’t going away anytime soon. “We can’t turn them all into planters or sculptures,” she says. “So I think we’re going to have to provide for them to continue to exist.”

Ultimately, much of the argument hovers around the point at which electric cars can effectively compete, on price, with the internal combustion engine. Sam Abuelsamid, an auto analyst with Navigant, says, “Probably in the mid-2020s time frame, it becomes comparable or cheaper to actually buy and operate an EV than an internal combustion vehicle.”

Tesla isn’t standing still, though. The company could pull that goalpost forward with its $35,000 Model 3, the new Model Y and, later this year, an unveiling of its new pickup truck. David Reichmuth, a senior engineer at the Union of Concerned Scientists, says, “We’re moving in the right direction with electric cars. … But the question is: How fast do we get there? And, you know, if you look at what we’re already seeing with climate change, we’re going to have to move faster.”

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/18/the-future-for- electric-vehicles-a-few-analysts-weigh-in/

Keep those electric cars coming Tesla and keep that stock on the rise.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-15   7:06:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#2) (Edited)

Keep those electric cars coming Tesla and keep that stock on the rise.

Attaboy asshole - it's all about you, isn't it?

I'm paying for those fucking cars.

Tesla's Main Product Isn't Cars, It's Subsidies (Tesla received $713 million in U.S. subsidies in Q3, compared to its $312 million profit.)

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-15   7:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#3) (Edited)

I'm paying for those fucking cars.

Bucky has said that he is paying for my Air Force retirement income and now you say you are paying for my investment income from the big run up of Tesla stock.

I truly have never known two more generous guys in my life who are as kind and considerate as you two are – to help in your own benevolent ways to allow me to live the life of luxury I am enjoying.

God bless you both and keep you healthy, safe and most of all, productive - so that you can "keep that fucking money coming” …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-15   7:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#4) (Edited)

Bucky has said that he is paying for my Air Force retirement income and now you say you are paying for my investment income from the big run up of Tesla stock.

Anyone who pays taxes is paying you self-righteous ass!

In other words - you and your hero Musk are both thieves.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-15   7:41:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#5)

Anyone who pays taxes is paying you self-righteous ass!

In other words - you are a thief.

“Taxation is theft” is a popular slogan among libertarians.

Attaboy - Stick with the libertarian "talking points".

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-15   7:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin (#6)

“Taxation is theft” is a popular slogan among libertarians.

You're a statist if you believe otherwise.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-15   8:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#7)

“Taxation is theft” is a popular slogan among libertarians.

You're a statist if you believe otherwise.

You are a libertarian dumbass for believing that statement is all inclusive.

The libertarian criticisms about the ill-effects of all taxes are exaggerated or untrue.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-15   8:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#7)

You're a statist if you believe otherwise.

You're a statist if you support gas taxes for the road?

You're an anarchist druggy whose brain is fried.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-15   8:44:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Gatlin (#8)

I bet you were in favor of the GM bailout as well.

Socialist prick.

In fact anything your beloved government does is fine with you.

As long as it doesn't affect your personal "bottom line".

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-15   8:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#10)

I bet you were in favor of the GM bailout as well.

You lose - I definitely was not.

In fact anything your beloved government does is fine with you.
You are delusional - Stay off of the drugs.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-15   8:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#0)

Leno and the author are both right,but Leno is most right.

Like it or not,electric cars WILL be the norm in another 20 years or so,DESPITE all the advances in fuel mileage and fewer emissions. This is because the international investment banking houses smell a profit and can buy in low and then use their influence and under the table pay-offs to politicians to pass laws harmful to conventional auto production,and favorable to electric auto production.

Consumers won't save any money,though. You can bet your ass the power companies,also owned by investment bankers,will lobby for goobermint grants to build more and more powerful electric plants to meet the advancing need for it. The end result is that you will no longer have a choice about who or where to buy your fuel. You WILL buy it from the only source supplying it,the local power grid.

The author is also full of crap about stuff like flushing brake lines and refilling them with new brake fluid. This wasn't even done in the "bad old days" of DOT 3 brake fluid. I grew up working in garages,and the only times brake lines got flushed was when one broke,or the wheel cylinders and/or the master cylinder were rebuilt.

I personally like the idea of electric cars and trucks because I am a torque freak,but I am NOT a fan of monopolies.

Nor am I a fan of burning to death in a electric car after an accident because all the systems are shorted out and the windows won't go down and the doors won't open.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-08-15   11:55:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: watchman (#1)

Until the day he went ridin' with Biden. They are good friends Jay and Joe.

What did you expect from a guy from an Italian family that grew up in NYC/NJ,and is in show biz?

If you REALLY want to see a fire-breathing drooling Dim mental midget,check out his wife.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-08-15   11:57:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#0)

And replacing a Tesla’s battery pack will cost you thousands more – on top of the tens of thousands extra you already paid for the car.

And THAT is assuming that the batteries 20 years into the future are compatable.

Ever heard of "planned obsolesce"?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-08-18   11:59:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#9)

You're an anarchist druggy whose brain is fried.

And that is being generous.

I see him as a mama's boy crying "It's all about me,me,ME,MOMMY!"

Scratch below the skin of any Libertarian,and you find a asshole no matter where you scratch.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-08-18   12:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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