Of course we should stand by Israel, but let’s not get carried away. The Jews did not “stand alone” against Hitler. 6 million Jews died, yes. But 20 million Alloed soldiers and civilians died, and it was the Allies, not the Jews, who crushed Germany. So, yes to the heartfelt plea, but no to the exaggerated hyperbole.

Consider the source...I reckon members of the Israel Knesset live within their own biosphere of historic interpretations that are quite different from our own.

Regards...MUD

Yep. I don’t love Israel because of their self-worship. And I don’t see Israel as God’s Chosen (I note that if they are - if God has given them another chance per the Torah - they are blowing it by not following much of the Law. The covenant (go read it) is not “You are super-special and always get to win”.. It is “IF you folllow ALL of my commandments, laws, statutes and ordinances, I will give you security in Israel. If you DON’T, I will hammer you.” They don’t keep the law, not even close, so they’re not under divine protection - and they lie to themselves and Christian leaders are deluded when they say they are. Just read the Torah and compare it to what Israel does. They’re not keeping the, and the Covenant is NOT about the Jews, it’s about Lawkeeping. (Of course the Jews don’t see it that way.)

I support Israel because they are a secular democracy fighting the people who hate us. The God of the Torah disapproves of them for their allowing open homosexuality, open fornication, broken Sabbaths, leaving the Muslim shrine where the Temple belongs, etc. I don’t care. I see the Muslims as barbarians with barbaric beliefs and practices, murdering in the name of their God, whom they don’t actually even listen to any more than the Jews follow their Torah. The Quran itself is repetitive but not very violent. To get to the Islamic nightmare the Muslims have to set up the Hadiths - the sayings of Mohammed - up in first place, and wherever the Quran is mild, follow the 7th Century barbarism of Mohammed. Both religions are pretty barbaric at their core, but the Jews only follow the parts of their that say they’re great - and limited to Israel - which the Muslims follow all of the barbarism in theirs and claim the whole world. And THAT makes Islam a threat to US, which is why democratic Israel is a good ally and should be supported.

To be CLEAR, Jews and Muslims are BOTH out of their minds with ridiculous religious beliefs, but Jewish religious beliefs are the reason they are THERE as a thumb in the eye to the Muslims, and driving the Muslims insane just by their existence. And that’s a GOOD thing for the rest of the world, because the Muslims are in full blown tear us over the “offense to Islam” presented by Israel. We saw on 9/11, and in Paris, London, Barcelona, Buenos Aires, Berlin, Bali, Constantinople . Muslims are the problem. Jews are not.

And endless defeat has actually made a lot of Arabs realistic. Muslims are still fanatics, but plenty of Arabs get that for them to improve their own lot, they can’t keep smashing themselves against Israel looking to Allah to let them prevail. Egypt is the largest Arab country. They made peace with Israel and have kept it since 1973. Jordan has made peace. The Turks, most important of all Muslim countries, have never made war with Israel. Iraq was forced to peace by our conquest. Even Saudi Arabia, wealthiest of the Arab nations, has decided that it’s not in their interests to continue a war against a country they don’t even border. Once that peace is established, that just means that Iran and its ragged proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria, continue their losing and hopeless war. Iran tried to kill Trump twice, he knows it, and he’s the President-elect. Trump wants peace in Ukraine, but he’s going to eat Iran alive. Having the Israeli military as a proxy to tear Iran apart is good for us. Of course we should support Israel. Hamas needs to be crushed out as far as it can be crushed. In practice, that means a lot more death for children in Gaza, and Israel will not emerge from that war with its honor intact. That’s for them to deal with. People won’t be wrong for hating them for what they’ve done there. Germans and Japanese weren’t wrong for thinking Americans were savages for firebombing their cities. Guess what - the God of Israel and Arabia don’t stand up to destroy their opponents;; how much less the gods of abstract morality. The God of “Fuck Around and Find Out” prevailed over Dresden and Hiroshima, and will prevail in Gaza. People THINK they are so brave, bold and righteous that they will resist forever, but as the experience of slaves all around the world shows, kill enough of their leaders and inflict enough bloody horror, and humans - ALL humans - will submit, or simply die and cease to encourage the rest not to submit. If that means killing them ALL, as it did with some tribes. Well, then our gradchildren can wring their hands over the atrocities during 1000 years of peace.

Truth is, Jews and Muslims are crazy, and Muslim craziness spills over to kill us. Therefore, it is expedient for us to support the Jews NOW to break them. Get to peace. Pragmatic nations like America, France and England, and nations that were forced by fire and blood to BECOME pragmatic, like Germany and Japan, and smaller nations that never had the option to NOT be pragmatic, have created a world of peace we here people can live out their lives and progress. The British look down on Americans, and Americans are frequently deeply annoyed by the French, but they never kill each other. They are like crotchety aunts and uncles at the dinner table sometimes, but so what? They don’t kill each other. Russia is not pragmatic, yet. Like the Iranians, they’re still in their fuck around phase, and they’re finding out right now. The Chinese have an element within them that really wants to fuck around, but the nation overall, including the Communist leaders, are more cautious and civilized than Russian and Muslim barbarians. I doubt we will ever come to blows with China. We might, but we might avoid that. Not that they’re ever going to be like the Dutch. But certainly they can be like the British, or the French on bad days , prickly, kind of awful, but not awful enough for us to kill each other. Russians and Iranians and Muslim fanatics are awful enough to kill right now, so we are. And Israel is our agent to do most of the killing, and take the missile strikes in return. Good. If they think it’s all because Yahweh made them super-special on a desert hill 3200 years ago, what difference does that make to me? It’s grating to listen to people preen about how great they are. “Stood against the Nazis alone.” Really? You really believe that? Such bullshit. But you’re fighting Iran, and that’s useful to me, so I’ll pay you on the head, send you more arms and encourage you to have at it. You’re crazy, I know it, but you’re harmless to me and hurting them. So go for it! Once this is over and Iran’s broken and we have peace, you can settle back into your little corner of desert and think you’re extra-super-special and it’s no skin off my nose.

Unless Yahweh is real and meant what he said, in which case you Jews are just gonna keep getting hammered because you’re not keeping all his laws. Sucks to be you.

The smart people are the ones in the region who got rid of that God-programming in their heads by replacing it with one that didn’t require them to be savages, and pulled up stakes and left. They are called “Middle Eastern Christians” or “seculars”.

As to Israel sinking back into their little corner of the desert, I get the impression that that is exactly what the vast majority of Israelis would prefer...MUD

Looks like the I.See.See is a legitimate target for Israel or USA since they targeted our soldiers before.

Target U.S. soldiers should result in your death.