1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
#34: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#21)
What are the capitalized words in the original language?
If you know.
A K A Stone posted on 2022-02-05 08:32:11 Reply Private Reply
#35: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#33)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-05 14:23:27 Reply Private Reply
#36: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#35)
I never knew there was a "we bad"...so yeah, we good.
watchman posted on 2022-02-05 14:45:09 Reply Private Reply
#37: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#36)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-07 08:10:06 Reply Private Reply
#38: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#37)
I have a sincere question for you Mud.
Why do we exist?
watchman posted on 2022-02-08 07:26:36 Reply Private Reply
#39: Mudboy Slim To: watchman, vicomte13 (#38)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-08 08:20:41 Reply Private Reply
#40: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#38)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-08 08:41:38 Reply Private Reply
#41: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#38)
In short, I would hope to leave my time on God's Creation with the World around me being a little bit better place than when I arrived. As an Architect, I was taught that the Earth is in a constant state of Entropy, so anything I design and build is a scar upon God's Landscape, so it had best be a conscious design purpose and a positive addition. That philosophy applies to whatever one does for a living...make the lives of others better and you will be rewarded accordingLEE.
So, in short, we are here to serve as God's Agents, sent here to make His Creation a Greater America/World...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-10 05:52:52 Reply Private Reply
#42: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#41)
Well dang, Mud. Now I'm curious...
You describe yourself as an "Architect".
What does that mean? Is it a title within your deist religion?
Is this a School of Philosophy I should be familiar with? Who "taught" you?
watchman posted on 2022-02-10 07:38:15 Reply Private Reply
#43: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#42)
On the plus side, however, I am a Stoner and a Professional Disc Golf player, as well as a Gemini... what's YOUR sign?!
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-10 10:08:55 Reply Private Reply
#44: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#42)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-10 10:15:24 Reply Private Reply
#45: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#42)
Not really...but sorta really...gypsies, native Americans, indigenous peoples everywhere...
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-10 10:23:37 Reply Private Reply
#46: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#42)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-10 10:25:23 Reply Private Reply
#47: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#44)
Didn't realize they taught Entropy at the University of Virginia School of Architecture...so you can imagine my confusion.
Life didn't start out this way as you read in Genesis 1. As you continue to read the Book of Genesis you will find out how the struggle entered into our existence: the fall of man which brought the curse on the whole Universe.
You must come to grips that your efforts have failed and will continue to fail...apart from God Who is Jesus Christ (the God of the Bible).
With the masonic hidden hand (which I only noticed just now)...
Tells me absolutely everything I need to know about Nietzsche...just another devil worshipper (he worshipped Lucifer as do all masons/fools).
watchman posted on 2022-02-10 10:48:33 Reply Private Reply
#48: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#47)
EWE are obsessed with TheDevil, ain't ya, boy?!
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-10 10:57:40 Reply Private Reply
#49: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#47)
Says EWE, ya inconsequential MORON...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-10 10:59:52 Reply Private Reply
#50: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#46)
If by Deists, you mean belonging to some dumbass secret society...
watchman posted on 2022-02-10 11:01:18 Reply Private Reply
#51: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#48)
No. But he is the ruler of this fallen world.
Only a fool would ignore Satan's control of people and governments.
watchman posted on 2022-02-10 11:04:54 Reply Private Reply
#52: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#48)
Is Nietzsche an optimist or pessimist...make up your mind
watchman posted on 2022-02-10 11:10:01 Reply Private Reply
#53: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#52)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-10 16:53:10 Reply Private Reply
#54: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#53)
Who doesn't recall this bit of old graffiti?
watchman posted on 2022-02-10 21:01:33 Reply Private Reply
#55: Vicomte13 To: watchman (#26)
In John 14, he refers to the Paraclete, which is a masculine noun, and he uses the masculine pronoun to refer back to the Paraclete - which would be required in Greek.
Jesus never uses a masculine pronoun to refer to the spirit, because spirit is not masculine in Greek.
Of course, Jesus spoke Aramaic, and if you refer to the Aramic Peshitta, the ancient Aramaic text of the Gospels (which contains the words of Jesus in the Aramaic in which he spoke them), he always refers to the Holy Spirit using Ruah, which is a feminine noun in Aramaic, and he always uses a feminine pronoun.
So actually Jesus always referred to the Holy Spirit as a SHE, if one wants to really burrow down. Jesus spoke Aramaic to his people, not Greek. The Gospels are a translation of what he said. The Aramaic Peshitta is what he actuallly said.
Vicomte13 posted on 2022-02-11 11:37:02 Reply Private Reply
#56: Vicomte13 To: Mudboy Slim (#43)
I'm a Taurus...which means that I am fixed earth and stubborn as a...well, as a bull. There is no POINT in arguing with me about anything. I'm always right, or think I am, and I will never, ever change my mind.
And I have a Scorpio Moon, full moon, actually, and was born at night. Water, but fixed water. DOUBLY stubborn - there is no more stubborn person than me, really. And smart. But with an apparently evil bent. I don't simply dig in, I start to get really ANGRY when people keep pushing me. And with that Scorpio full there, born at night, I won't just stomp the ground like a bull. I'll do that FIRST. But if you keep pushing me, I will fucking sting you again and again and leave you to DIE.
No point in arguing with me. Just look at what I say, see it as very pure, and understand that if you keep arguing with me past a certain point, I really do want to murder you in your sleep. And what good is THAT?
Pisces Ascendant. Which means that I'm all spiritual and soft sounding. So, stubborn iron and murder, but with a gentle exterior that is deceptive.
And Lilith, the "dark moon", the locus of evil in the chart? It's in Scorpio - a nightmare sign: "Sex and death hold an equal fascination! The transience of life and the constant presence of death in their thoughts make these people keep their senses alert at all times, ready to furiously and disdainfully snatch and raid what they please from life. They dont believe in luck, and they constantly put it to the test whether through gamble or other vices with life itself as the stake."
In truth, I'm a freaking astrological nightmare.
Now, I don't believe that the stars determine anything. I think they're placeholders. I DO think that the time of the year you're born and the influence of the moon's gravity (which moves the tides 60 feet every day in the Bay of Fundy) DOES affect us, not mysteriously but concretely. But then, I WOULD say that, wouldn't I, being a Taurus, Scorpio moon, Lilith in Scorpio.
Of course I say this knowing that the wankers will whine. There is no innocence here. Whine away, wankers! You make me smile.
Vicomte13 posted on 2022-02-11 11:59:31 Reply Private Reply
#57: Mudboy Slim To: Vicomte13 (#56)
My advice to ALL Dem brainwashed Marxist snowflakes...let them bitch!!
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-11 15:10:22 Reply Private Reply
#58: watchman To: Vicomte13 (#55)
Once again, the gender of a noun does not always reflect the gender of a person.
watchman posted on 2022-02-11 18:15:40 Reply Private Reply
#59: Stoner To: watchman (#54)
Stoner posted on 2022-02-11 19:12:38 Reply Private Reply
#60: watchman To: Stoner (#59)
I noticed...and you noticed...but others here...not so much.
Perhaps as the days pass and events continue to unfold (distress, tribulation, hunger)...folks will begin to notice Who has the last word in all of our lives.
watchman posted on 2022-02-11 20:36:38 Reply Private Reply
#61: Mudboy Slim To: Stoner (#59)
Great quote...who was the author again? Almost as classic as Virginia's state motto, "Sic Semper Tyrannus...Thus Always to Tyrants". This Nation was founded by REBELS who were rejecting the Great PlutocRATZ Across the Sea, and America has thrived by keeping that Federal Bureaucracy relatively small and not Union-RATZ selling their souls and our National Security to the Chi-Comz.
If WeThePeople have the CAJONES to make a stand, then the Trump Tsunami of November 2024 could be the death knell for Marxism in North America, as Trump/DeSantis root out the Marxist AppaRATchix in the DeeCeeSwamp, root and stem. RATZ can see this coming, and many are desperate...by all means necessary, be prepared for just about ANYTHING from these SJWers, RATZ have been brainwashed to believe laws do not apply to them as long as these fascist RAT Brownshirtz continue to do the bidding of their DeeCee SwampMasterz...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-12 07:06:28 Reply Private Reply
#62: watchman To: Vicomte13 (#56)
You are ever so funny, in both an evil and transience of life sort of way, of course.
I happened to purchase a bull calf last fall. He's a dandy. He had lived his first two months of life in an 8x8 stall, so you can imagine how happy he was to be turned out on some lush green grass. And he grew accordingly on that grass and leftover milk from my cows. As I was reading your comment, I looked out to see him flying across the paddock...500lb bull meets 1000lb momma cow. He tried to do that "fixed earth" on her and, well...
There's a moral to the story for you somewhere in my barnyard yarn, bully boy. I just don't know what it is.
As to the rest of your terrible condition...
...I'd say it's nothing more than good ole demonic possession...and Jesus has healed much worse than you, Vic
I have preached this great message to hundreds of men at homeless shelters. They come in smelly, depressed, often raging, and hear what Jesus did for one such as them...leaving them clothed, sitting down, and in their right minds. There's hope for you, too.
If only you would bow down before Him.
watchman posted on 2022-02-13 09:25:13 Reply Private Reply
#63: Vicomte13 To: watchman (#62)
Bow down to some man who claims to know what Jesus was all about? Hard pass.
I know Jesus as well as any man alive, having read him over and over, in English, in French, cross referenced in Latin, in Greek, in Aramaic.
And I've gone through the drill of doing a complete harmony of everything he ever said or did. So I know not just what he is said to have said, but when, in the scheme of things, he is said to have said it.
Some of it is contradictory. And I know what that is.
There are lots of guys out there who claim to speak for Jesus, but who don't connect what Jesus said in one place to what he said in another.
I used to argue with them. I don't bother anymore.
Vicomte13 posted on 2022-02-15 17:28:30 Reply Private Reply
#64: watchman To: Vicomte13 (#63)
He has already shown up. When He shows up again it will be too late (for you).
Are you talking about the Pope?
That's a tremendous amount of reading, cross referencing, and harmonizing just to come up empty. Judging by your intensive study, I see that you do want something. Did not Jesus speak to you directly when He said..."You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me...
...BUT YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO COME TO ME THAT YOU MAY HAVE LIFE".
watchman posted on 2022-02-15 18:32:13 Reply Private Reply
#65: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#54)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-28 13:18:50 Reply Private Reply
#66: Mudboy Slim To: Vicomte13 (#63)
Yep...dittos.
My relationship with Him ain't up for debate with a bunch of faceless Screen Names...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-28 13:25:06 Reply Private Reply
#67: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#64)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-02-28 13:28:25 Reply Private Reply
#68: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#66)
You said you are a deist.
You believe in an impersonal God, so how can you have a relationship with God?
Deists by definition do not have a relationship with God.
watchman posted on 2022-02-28 17:47:46 Reply Private Reply
#69: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#67)
Show me where I judged.
Here is where you've gone tripping off into some whacked out Catholic doctrine whereby you believe that "Saint Peter" will be standing at the "pearly gates" deciding who enters heaven and who is rejected.
watchman posted on 2022-02-28 17:59:28 Reply Private Reply
#70: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#68)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-03-03 12:13:55 Reply Private Reply
#71: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#69)
Every time you tell someone they are damned to Hell if they don't OBEY your interpretation of Scripture...makes you look silly.
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-03-03 12:18:19 Reply Private Reply
#72: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#71)
Which Scripture are you referring to?
And why is my interpretation of that Scripture "silly"?
watchman posted on 2022-03-03 14:46:58 Reply Private Reply
#73: Vicomte13 To: Mudboy Slim (#67)
I'm not going to bother arguing with him. What is the point?
Vicomte13 posted on 2022-03-07 11:00:46 Reply Private Reply
#74: Mudboy Slim To: Vicomte13 (#73)
Regards...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-03-07 14:05:20 Reply Private Reply
#75: watchman To: Vicomte13 (#73)
Exactly.
Stop arguing and take heed unto thyself...
watchman posted on 2022-03-07 17:46:47 Reply Private Reply
#76: watchman To: Mudboy Slim (#74)
You must not be talking about me...I'm not disagreeable...it's just that your brain turns to mush when confronted with Christ and eternity.
watchman posted on 2022-03-07 17:46:57 Reply Private Reply
#77: Mudboy Slim To: watchman (#76)
Life is too damned short to spend it debating the number of angels that can fit on a pinhead with the likes of you and your I'll.
Bozo, boy...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-03-08 13:50:54 Reply Private Reply
#78: Mudboy Slim To: buckeroo (#77)
So Bucky...what do EWE have to say for yerself?!
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-03-08 13:54:24 Reply Private Reply
#79: Mudboy Slim To: Vicomte13 (#73)
ZackLEE...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-03-08 13:57:12 Reply Private Reply
#80: Mudboy Slim To: Vicomte13 (#63)
Regards...MUD
BTW....for instance, there is very scant record of Jesus' life throughout his 20's...back then, most men married and procreated by the time they turned 30. Not our Lord and Savior, according to the sources sanctified by the PowersThatBe who compiled, translated, printed, and promoted the Bible we value today. As a Bible scholar who seems to appreciate that this "Word of God" was the work of red-blooded men like you or me, are you absolutely convinced that Jesus does NOT have progeny? Yeah, I know this is "Da Vinci Code" conspiracy stuff, but I believe there is a decent possibility that the blood of Jesus lives on in humanity to this day. Feel free to disabuse me of this pro-Christian (yet anti- Church) pipe dream...lol.
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-03-08 14:14:13 Reply Private Reply
#81: Vicomte13 To: Mudboy Slim (#80)
I kind of doubt it.
I think HE was convinced of his "mission from God". Now, I do think he actually did have a mission from God, and I think that the voice did speak from heaven a couple of times speaking about him, so I think he had reason to. I think he also knew about his virgin birth. I'm inclined to believe that those things convinced Jesus he was special. Also, I'm inclined to believe that he fled into Egypt with his family, came back after Herod died, and proceeded to Nazareth. I'm inclined to think that some form of the gifts as described were delivered, and that the gold that was described was used, in part, to get the boy a very, very good education. Maybe some of those details are imagined, and he just knew the stuff because of divine inspiration, but I'm inclined to think he was very well educated as well, despite being the child of commoners, because they had money given to them by people who thought the kid was special.
So I think HE thought he was very special, and that this guided his life on a completely unconventional path. And because he thought himself so very special, I don't think he married. Certainly a devout guy in those times, unmarried, would not be having children.
I think that we know nothing of Jesus from 12 to 30 because he was quietly living at home, probably burying his father, deepening his knowledge of religious things, and doing his job. And when God was ready for him, he called him to be baptized, and then to face temptation by the Devil, and then to walk around healing people, feeding people, and preaching to them.
So, I am inclined to accept the story as written, but not to add some conventional life in there, which would make Jesus into a bad father (neglecting his kids and never mentioning them), and a bad husband (never mentioning his wife). I think he was single.
Maybe he was crazy, not divine, but he THOUGHT he was special, and that caused him to behave differently.
The healings: you accept them, he was divine, you reject them, and you have to reject the whole story, because a Jesus who could not heal or feed the multitudes would never have gotten the attention he did...unless it's ALL just made up bullshit.
I don't believe that it is. But it's possible. In which case there is no evidence of any God at all, and ALL religion is just bullshit. Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists - all crazy.
I know there's God, because I've talked to him. So either I'M crazy too, quite sincerely so, or God is real. God and I never talked about Christianity. We have talked about physics, mostly. Nevertheless, the fact that God exists, and has talked to me indicates to me that he has talked to others, and when I look at the different religions, the one that seems most likely to actually be God would be Christianity. Christ SOUNDS LIKE God in many ways. He focuses on exactly the right things: healing the sick, poverty relief, wealth redistribution, doing unto others, and forgiveness.
So, the Gospels COULD be complete bullshit. Or they could be partial bullshit and partial truth. I think that the parts that record what Jesus said are mostly accurate. And they are, in fact, the only parts of the Bible that I think matter. The rest is all one source, and does not convey what Jesus taught. The other parts SOUND LIKE Hinduism or Islam or Judaism. But only Jesus sounds like Jesus.
So, if you want to talk to me about it, sure. I can introduce you to Jesus as he IS, shorn of all of the extra stuff that has been added to him by the religious.
Vicomte13 posted on 2022-03-15 16:34:27 Reply Private Reply
#82: Mudboy Slim To: Vicomte13 (#81)
Interesting to wonder at what point young Jesus realized that he was DEFINITELY the Son of God, becuz before that realization, our Savior had to be having sincere questions about his mental well-being...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2022-03-16 06:25:42 Reply Private Reply
#83: Vicomte13 To: Mudboy Slim (#82)
Vicomte13 posted on 2022-03-18 15:23:14 Reply Private Reply