Kyle Rittenhouse was "turned on" by a mob on Tuesday night in Kenosha for trying to put out car fires after having put out a fire at a Church earlier in the night, according to a man who reportedly witnessed the riots first hand and allegedly met and joined with Rittenhouse to protect a local business.
The witness told The Vicki McKenna Show during an interview on 1310 WIBA on Friday that Rittenhouse and others, including military veterans, responded to a call on social media from a business owner to help protect his business which had already been partially destroyed during the prior nights of rioting.
The witness, whose identity McKenna says she confirmed but called "Walt" to avoid doxing, said Rittenhouse was with his brother that night who "was his guardian at the time which made it legal for him to possess a firearm."
Walt said Rittenhouse got separated from his brother by police MRAPs trying to disperse the "wild" crowds and police wouldn't allow Rittenhouse to cross back and rejoin their group as the situation was getting out of control with "gunshots" and explosions going off.
Rittenhouse walked by himself to try and meet up with another group "down on 63rd" for safety reasons and called Walt and his brother's group to say, "There's cars on fire down here."
"Earlier in the night, he put the Church next door -- with another one of our people in the group -- he put the Church out of fire," Walt said. "So he's running there, cars are on fire, he wants to put the cars on fire out."
"Well, the crowd did not like that, so they turned on him," Walt said. "Which, at that point they were chasing him around the area."
"I mean, they saw him as a young child, so he was prey to them, they could easily take advantage of him, steal his gun, do whatever horrible to him," Walt said. "At that point, I believe, is when he defended himself first."
Listen to the full interview from 1310 WIBA:
UPDATE: Newly discovered video shows Rittenhouse running with a fire extinguisher:
Kyle Rittenhouse Was 'Turned On' by Mob For Trying to Put Out Car Fires, Witness Says [UPDATED]
| Source: | Information Liberation |
| Published: | Aug 29, 2020 |
| Author: | Chris Menahan |
| Post Date: | 2020-09-01 19:15:35 by Deckard |
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#1: nolu chan To: Deckard (#0)
If the claim of lawfulness relies on this, Rittenhouse has a real problem. It is not clear if the claim is that Rittenhouse was with the brother of the witness or his own brother, but it is clear in the video that he was not with any guardian at that time. Being in the same city is not the relevant form of togetherness. Going hunting under the supervision of an adult would do.
What happened seems apparent. Terrorist felons hunted Kyle Rittenhouse on the streets of Kenosha, tracked him down, and multiple members of the pack subjected him to an attack in the mistaken belief he would never fire his weapon. The one who got shot in the arm was a felon with a gun unlawfully in his possession. After he was shot, the gun remained dangling from his hand. No charges have been brought against this attacker. This should be kept in mind when considering how the prosecutors are proceeding.
An instructive case from Indiana was decided in June 2020. A general rule, and held in Indiana, is that a plea of self-defense is barred when the claimant committed a criminal act with an immediate causal connection between the crime and the confrontation. Wisconsin will consider any criminal act they can allege which fits their need. Rittenhouse reported has five lawyers working his case for a good reason. John Pierce is the lead defense counsel.
How strong a case is for self-defense is immaterial if he can't get that plea before a jury. Any criminal act with an immediate causal connection to the confrontation may void the claim.
Also relevant will be whether the confrontation with the second and third victims is considered a continuation of the confrontation with the head shot victim, or if it is treated as a second confrontation. If considered seperately, reckless endangerment incident to the first confrontation might void self-defense for the second confrontation.
https://www.scribd.com/document/474499962/Gammons-v-Indiana-Ind-S-Ct-26-Jun-2020-Self-Defense-While-Committing-Crime
nolu chan posted on 2020-09-01 23:47:26 Reply Private Reply
#2: Deckard To: nolu chan (#1)
Man Shot in the Arm by Kyle Rittenhouse Says His Only Regret Was Not Killing the Kid
Gaige Grosskreutz, who was caught on camera pointing a gun at Rittenhouse before the teenager show him in the arm, made the comments after doctors were able to save the limb from being amputated.
According to his friend Jacob Marshall, who is pictured with Grosskreutz, the BLM supporters only regret was not killing the kid and hesitating to pull the gun before emptying the entire mag into him.
In the Facebook post, Marshall also admits that Grosskreutz drew his weapon before he was shot by Rittenhouse.
Well this literally shows INTENT TO KILL, so Kyle Rittenhouses defense lawyer just got an early Christmas present, tweeted Mike Cernovich.
It is not clear if the claim is that Rittenhouse was with the brother of the witness or his own brother, but it is clear in the video that he was not with any guardian at that time.
Being in the same city is not the relevant form of togetherness. Going hunting under the supervision of an adult would do.
They got separated you shyster. This was self defense, pure and simple.
Kyle Rittenhouse Lawyer: My Client Legally Possessed Rifle in Wisconsin
Pollak asked how Rittenhouse obtained a firearm:
Wisconsin is an open carry state, replied Pierce. Youve seen the video of what was going on in that city. It was a war zone, and Kyle had every right just as much a right to be there as the people that were trying to burn down that city, and he was attempting to protect property and attempting to be there to provide medical aid.
Pierce added, Every person that has any sense at all is going to take a weapon to that location. It was a legal weapon. I cant comment right now further on the specifics of where the weapon was obtained. It was obtained as a legal weapon. It did not cross state lines. That charge is incorrect as a matter of law in Wisconsin. Actually, that weapon can be possessed by anyone 16 years or older.
Deckard posted on 2020-09-02 01:01:49 Reply Private Reply
#3: nolu chan To: Deckard (#2)
WHY is Rittenhouse in custody?
WHY is Grosskreutz NOT charged, and NOT in custody?
That is legal bullshit to fool people with weak minds, but is not a legal argument. It is a defense counsel doing his job. My client is innocent because other people were guilty too! That only works in the court of public opinion.
Here we have a factually correct statement that does not say what it appears to say. It is meant to lead the weak minded to reach a wrong conclusion. Again, it is a defense counsel doing his job of swaying public opinion.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/was-kyle-rittenhouse-s-possession-gun-protected-second-amendment-n1238918
There happens to be a law which states, "Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor." Of course, there is a section which provides, "(a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult." Was Rittenhouse using his weapon for target practice under the supervision of an adult? Was he engaged in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult? While is is literally correct to state "that weapon can be possessed by anyone 16 years or older, that omits the circumstances upon which it can be so possessed.
https://law.justia.com/codes/us/2018/title-10/subtitle-a/part-i/chapter-12/sec-246/
Obviously, this law does not entitle a 17-year old to carry a weapon around New York City. So, how does it entitle Rittenhouse to carry a weapon around Kenosha, Wisconsin?
Rittenhouse is in custody, having been charged with violating Wisconsin law. The bullshit you cited does not show that his lawyers argument, that everyone over the age of 16 could legally possess a dangerous weapon, depends on the success of an unlikely argument that the Wisconsin law is unconstitutional.
As for the bias of the Wisconsin authorities, Grosskreutz has NOT been charged, and is NOT in custody. If Rittenhouse cannot get a plea of self-defense before a jury, he can wipe is ass with the alleged Christmas present. He must win the argument on having a viable self-defense plea before any of that becomes relevant.
You seem to think he has five lawyers to play the video.
He needs five lawyers and a ton of money to defend against a biased prosecution team on a mission to convict him. There is a highly technical argument about whether Rittenhouse can claim self-defense.
As was shown in Gamons v. Indiana, there is a general rule that a plea of self-defense is barred when the claimant committed a criminal act with an immediate causal connection between the crime and the confrontation. The prosecution is almost certain to visit that issue.
The legal war will not be fought over what happened on the video. The war will be fought over whether Rittenhouse can be barred from raising a claim to self-defense.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/attorneys-pounce-on-kyle-rittenhouses-reported-well-regulated-militia-legal-defense/
nolu chan posted on 2020-09-02 13:49:12 Reply Private Reply
#4: Deckard To: nolu chan (#3)
To start with, he illegally possessed the gun and traveled to Wisconsin with it. This defense is not available to him. Period, she wrote.
How many times are you going to repeat this blatant lie?
Wisconsin is an open carry state, replied Pierce. Youve seen the video of what was going on in that city. It was a war zone, and Kyle had every right just as much a right to be there as the people that were trying to burn down that city, and he was attempting to protect property and attempting to be there to provide medical aid.
Pierce added, Every person that has any sense at all is going to take a weapon to that location. It was a legal weapon. I cant comment right now further on the specifics of where the weapon was obtained. It was obtained as a legal weapon. It did not cross state lines. That charge is incorrect as a matter of law in Wisconsin. Actually, that weapon can be possessed by anyone 16 years or older.
Kyle Rittenhouse Lawyer: My Client Legally Possessed Rifle in Wisconsin
Pierce addressed a possible plea deal: Were going to trial were going to win this case. If Im the prosecutor, I drop these charges immediately. I think that this is a rush of judgment, and if I was the prosecutor, I would be terrified to take this case to trial. I do not believe that theres a jury in this country thats going to look at these facts and is going to find him guilty for murder.
Its absolute 100 percent self-defense, and were going to prove it if we have to, concluded Pierce. It was legal for him to possess that weapon in Wisconsin.
Deckard posted on 2020-09-02 18:47:53 Reply Private Reply
#5: nolu chan To: Deckard (#4)
No, you legal illiterate jackass. Read what I wrote at my #1:
Rittenhouse was hunted in the street by fucksticks like you. Now he is being hunted by prosecutors who have not charged the hunter felon who had a gun in his hand.
Wisconsin law states, "There happens to be a law which states, "Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor." Which part of that do you not understand?
Where is Rittenhouse? He is locked up. He faces real legal jeopardy. Your mindless stream of bullshit is not able to help. You have to understand what the fight is before you can fight it, much less win it. The fight for Rittenhouse is to get a self-defense plea before a jury. He is in legal jeopardy of not being able to do that.
Wisconsin is an open carry state for people who can legally carry a firearm. It would be interesting to see a courtroom legal argument that a gun-toting medic was part of a well-regulated militia.
Every defense lawyer in creation: My client is innocent!
I hope Rittenhouse beats the rap, but he is in serious legal jeopardy. You incessant reliance on legal bullshit from legally incompetent assholes from non-legal sources deserves a response.
As shown in Indiana v. Gammons, a general rule is that a plea of self-defense is barred when the claimant committed a criminal act with an immediate causal connection between the crime and the confrontation. Wisconsin will consider any criminal act they can allege which fits their need. The prosecutors are not looking to play fair or they would have charged Grosskreutz for his blatantly obvious crime.
Rittenhouse reported has five lawyers working his case for a good reason. John Pierce is the lead defense counsel.
How strong a case is for self-defense is immaterial if he can't get that plea before a jury. Any criminal act with an immediate causal connection to the confrontation may void the claim.
Also relevant will be whether the confrontation with the second and third victims is considered a continuation of the confrontation with the head shot victim, or if it is treated as a second confrontation. If considered seperately, reckless endangerment incident to the first confrontation might void self-defense for the second confrontation.
You can't address these matters so you try to bloviate your way through.
Unlike your wackadoodle understanding of the 2nd Amendment, where people have a right to possess atom bombs, or to possess weapons the law forbids. Federal law forbids any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver any firearm or ammunition to anyone knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age.
Age restrictions are lawful and do not violate the 2nd Amendment, the bullshit of you and your insane posse notwithstanding.
https://law.justia.com/codes/us/2018/title-18/part-i/chapter-44/sec-922/
Multiple states impose a minimum age of 21 to possess a firearm.
You attempt to obfuscate that Pierce's argument is that he can use the 2nd Amendment to strike down the Wisconsin age limit because Rittenhouse could be part of a well-regulated militia. That argument is just horseshit for morons like you.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/was-kyle-rittenhouse-s-possession-gun-protected-second-amendment-n1238918
As a stream of lawyers state, the Pierce argument is embarrassing. Wisconsin can lawfully regulate the age at which one may possess a firearm.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/attorneys-pounce-on-kyle-rittenhouses-reported-well-regulated-militia-legal-defense/
And I am citing shyster lawyers, ALL of them. Let's take a look at your hero.
https://www.law.com/americanlawyer/2020/04/16/john-pierce-denies-reports-of-firms-closure-says-firm-laid-off-some-associates/?slreturn=20200802202710
nolu chan posted on 2020-09-02 20:41:36 Reply Private Reply