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Rick Beato's intricate breakdowns of songs, music, and techniques is pretty cool.
Boston's first album (1976) in my opinion is a Top 10 of all time. Still nothing sounds like it, never has since. Boston was its own genre. Summer of '77.
Second album (1978) was good as well. I remember the anticipation of this second Boston album, buying it immediately.
That was pretty much the end of Boston (aside from the single, Amanda), on their third album ten years later in 1986.
#22: Liberator To: Pinguinite (#9)
Yeah, the way or manner Beato was able to extract and isolated tracks was amazing. He does that on all his song/parts breakdowns.
My son had at one time access to a site where hundreds of songs had extracted then isolated tracks -- some more than others. But on Beato's isolations they are really clean, there's not much bleed-through of other instrumentation.
The site my son extracted his isolated tracks or a bunch of 70s-80s songs no longer exists or else I'd get you the link.
Could be some software that can do the same thing...(we would think by now.) I've noticed a lotta karaoke uses the extracted/iso to eliminate the vocals.
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 14:37:47 Reply Private Reply
#23: Liberator To: misterwhite (#10)
You're right.
Good tune...but I was never a fan of the "gunta gleebin glaubin globern" intro.
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 14:39:07 Reply Private Reply
#24: Liberator To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#11)
Interesting back story...
THAT is the reason? Mutt Lange??
Great producer...the guy was known as a perfectionist. This intro was just dumb. I didn't listen to this tune for the longest time because of the dopey intro. (so it DID "mean" something after all.)
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 14:41:57 Reply Private Reply
#25: Liberator To: A K A Stone, Deckard (#15)
"Harder"? Or more satanic?
I hate to burst your bubble, but...do you know anything about symbolism? OR, Ozzy's affectionate lyrics and ode to THE one and only, 'Mr Crowley'? (do you know who HE was?) I'm only the messenger.
https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/ozzy.htm
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 14:50:03 Reply Private Reply
#26: Liberator To: A K A Stone, misterwhite, Deckard (#16)
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 14:52:16 Reply Private Reply
#27: A K A Stone To: Liberator (#25)
Seems Boston is in "Jesus is Saviour's" Hall of Shame. Right from your own site you referenc.
Boston: promotes fornication, wild immoral parties, drug abuse, indifference, smoking pot, lead singer commit suicide in March 2007 (left a suicide note saying, "I am a lonely soul")
https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/shame.htm
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-05 17:21:11 Reply Private Reply
#28: A K A Stone To: Liberator (#25)
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-05 17:23:42 Reply Private Reply
#29: BorisY To: Mudboy Slim (#6)
Baby the Rain Must Fall
Some men climb a mountain
Some men swim the sea
Some men fly above the sky
They are what they must be
But, baby the rain must fall
Baby, the wind must blow
Wherever my heart leads me
Baby, I must go, baby I must go
I do not love for silver
I do not love for gold
My heart is mine to give away
It never will be sold
But, baby the rain must fall
Baby, the wind must blow
Wherever my heart leads me
Baby, I must go, baby I must go
I am not rich or famous
But who can ever tell
I don't know now what waits for me
Maybe Heaven, maybe Hell *
But, baby the rain must fall
Baby, the wind must blow
Wherever my heart leads me
Baby, I must go, baby I must go
Heard This song
1964
was a senior in high school
said iT was going To go To number # one
disappeared for a few weeks
came back
went To # one
love
boris
* in college
ThaT all changed
BorisY posted on 2020-04-05 17:27:23 Reply Private Reply
#30: A K A Stone To: Deckard, liberator (#1)
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-05 17:31:19 Reply Private Reply
#31: Pinguinite To: Liberator (#20)
I'll have to listen to them again, now knowing a bit more of the background of MTAF. My feelings on them certainly won't change but I could better quantify my impression.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-04-05 19:05:21 Reply Private Reply
#32: Pinguinite To: Liberator (#21)
I read somewhere the conundrum he was in, having made great rock music songs in his basement but with no ability to put on a concert and no real bandmates. In that light, the backside description on the LP cover on that debut album is an interesting spin, so to speak, as it's a pitch to ignore the band history and "listen to the album".
Pinguinite posted on 2020-04-05 19:14:50 Reply Private Reply
#33: Liberator To: A K A Stone, Deckard (#27)
I'm glad you paid attention and looked the site over and found some truth.
However IF we are going to measure the relative "shame" between Boston's rock lyrics and Ozzy's, Boston's lyrics do not promote a blatant brand of evil and depression, the worship of Satan, or promoting suicide like Black Sabbath (Ozzy was sued FOR causing actual suicides, wasn't he?)
If you want to compare and parse the actual music, everyone identifies most of Ozzy's musical compositions and themes as darkening the soul and purposely casting demonic palls upon the spirit. He's a creepy magician casting spells over teens.
Boston's music? Not so much. In fact, not at all. Their music, chords and melodies are upbeat and harmonious. It mostly celebrates the spirit and life.
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 22:43:34 Reply Private Reply
#34: Liberator To: A K A Stone (#27)
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 22:45:29 Reply Private Reply
#35: A K A Stone To: Liberator (#33)
You are making stuff up. You ask so here are some Ozzy Black Sabbath lyrics.
"After Forever"
Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved? Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in your grave Is God just a thought within your head or is he a part of you? Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school?
When you think about death do you lose your breath or do you keep your cool? Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope - do you think he's a fool? Well I have seen the truth, yes I've seen the light and I've changed my ways And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared at the end of our days
Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say If they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to love
Is your mind so small that you have to fall In with the pack wherever they run Will you still sneer when death is near And say they may as well worship the sun?
I think it was true it was people like you that crucified Christ I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don't believe? You had the chance but you turned it down, now you can't retrieve
Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead and gone Open your eyes, just realize that he's the one The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate Or will you still jeer at all you hear? Yes! I think it's too late.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-05 22:46:41 Reply Private Reply
#36: Liberator To: BorisY (#29)
I don't recall that song but remember the song title. Is it from a movie?
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 22:49:42 Reply Private Reply
#37: Liberator To: A K A Stone (#35)
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 22:50:37 Reply Private Reply
#38: A K A Stone To: Liberator (#34)
You mean this founder of Black Sabbath Tony Iommi. You're an idiot.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-05 22:50:42 Reply Private Reply
#39: A K A Stone To: Liberator (#37)
I don't believe people who don't know what they are talking about. That would be you.
And you didn't show me that Jesus is Saviour site. I knew about that for over a decade.
I recall something about a splinter and an eye.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-05 22:52:30 Reply Private Reply
#40: A K A Stone To: Liberator (#37)
Who is the one ignoring. You are. Here is another founding member.
In a brand new interview with The Weeklings, BLACK SABBATH bassist Geezer Butler was asked if he got any backlash over SABBATH singing a message of repentance and God being the only way to love on the "Master Of Reality" album.
"No," he responded. "People always like to find the 'evil' in the music, so they'd quote the 'pope on a rope' part out of context, as usual. People like to find negative in everything. We weren't interested in writing songs about the 'nice' things in the world; everyone else was writing about that. We wanted to inject some reality into music. I think if we'd been called WHITE SUNDAY we'd have had a totally different reaction.
Butler also talked about his thought process behind writing the lyrics to the SABBATH song "After Forever", which some historians have called the first real Christian rock song.
"A lot of it was because of the situation in Northern Ireland at the time," he explained. "There were a lot of religious troubles between the Protestants against the Catholics.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-05 22:55:29 Reply Private Reply
#41: Liberator To: Pinguinite (#31)
Your feelings or ear or impression could certainly change now that your senses are 40 years older. You focus on different things for some reason (maybe its me.)
I can't tell you how many songs I've taken a different listen to and appreciate far more now then then. (Not to mention the volume of good songs and music that fell between the cracks, never even heard. Wasn't it almost impossible to hear everything back in the late 60s, 70s-80s?)
For 41 years, I'd dismissed Boston's 'Feelin Satisfied' (second album, Side B track)...until I heard a cover band do it and heard the rest of song beyond the first over-used opening riffs. Love it. Took 41 years to appreciate it.
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 23:03:01 Reply Private Reply
#42: Liberator To: Pinguinite (#32)
Read the same. Ain't that something? Could be why once Scholtz made it with that smash first effort, he got a bit greedy. The "Band" afterall (aside from Brad Delp) was only image and for live shows on the road.
Good observation about that back side and what was basically a PR notation.
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 23:06:59 Reply Private Reply
#43: A K A Stone To: Liberator (#34)
With the release of their first album, the bands audience began to grow rapidly. Terrence became known as Geezer while the rest of the band became known for their dark music. One night, Ozzy and the band were approached by a self-proclaimed witch and were asked to play at a satanic ceremony. The band declined the offer. Feeling deprived at this, the witch cast a spell on the band. Being paranoid, Ozzy asked his dad to make aluminum crosses for each member of the band to wear as protection. Bill Ward said that he is the only member who still has the original cross. The cross Ozzy wears now is made of 14 carat gold.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-05 23:09:27 Reply Private Reply
#44: Liberator To: A K A Stone (#40)
These guys can't cover up this mess with "This is the troof, those "satanist" stories are lies and just crazy BS!" stories.
And most certainly, neither can Ozzy hide the truth. Dude, the guy is a satanist and occultist, into magic and spell. Look at the symbols and upside down crosses; The Baphomet horns.
He loved Satanist Alistair Crowley so much, he devoted an entire song to him. To be so in denial and delusional about the truth is insane.
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 23:13:34 Reply Private Reply
#45: A K A Stone To: Liberator (#44)
I always liked you but thought you were kind of slow.
Now you're just a judgmental prick who isn't to bright.
Flattard.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-05 23:16:05 Reply Private Reply
#46: Liberator To: A K A Stone (#45)
The name of Black Sabbath's Best-Of compilation could have been anything, but they chose THAT??
Come on, man.
Liberator posted on 2020-04-05 23:27:01 Reply Private Reply
#47: Pinguinite To: Liberator (#41)
No, one thing I've noticed about myself is that my opinion of a particular song never changes. Songs I liked and disliked as a teen I still like and dislike today. I like to think it speaks well about my musical maturity as a teen.
I'm a big fan now of epic music which didn't exist back then, except perhaps as a foreshadowing in the music of Mason William's "Classical Gas", or Ennio Morricone's famous tune from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
If you want a real ride, check this out. Two Steps from Hell. I've mentioned Thomas Bergerson to you before. Here's "Victory". Just know that if it's the first time you've heard it and you don't have your stereo totally cranked, it's a crime against humanity. Just so you know.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-04-06 03:29:44 Reply Private Reply
#48: Pinguinite To: All (#47)
Can't talk about GB&U music without this brilliant piece as well by Ennio Morricone: "Ecstasy of Gold":
Pinguinite posted on 2020-04-06 03:39:52 Reply Private Reply
#49: Deckard To: A K A Stone (#27)
So, basically not any different than any other rock band?
...lead singer commit suicide in March 2007...
So? How is that the band's fault?
Deckard posted on 2020-04-06 06:29:39 Reply Private Reply
#50: Deckard To: Liberator, A K A Stone (#37)
Deckard posted on 2020-04-06 06:32:44 Reply Private Reply
#51: Deckard To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#40)
Not even close.
Deckard posted on 2020-04-06 06:36:34 Reply Private Reply
#52: Deckard To: Pinguinite, Liberator (#47)
I always liked that song.
Deckard posted on 2020-04-06 06:43:19 Reply Private Reply
#53: A K A Stone To: Deckard (#49)
I just used the same source liberator used to condemn Oozy. Showing him to be a hypocrite.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-06 07:13:45 Reply Private Reply
#54: Deckard To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#53)
So...that source is wrong about Ozzy but right about Boston?
I don't think Liberator is the hypocrite here.
Deckard posted on 2020-04-06 07:22:47 Reply Private Reply
#55: A K A Stone To: Deckard (#54)
Well you're dumb than.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-06 07:25:47 Reply Private Reply
#56: Deckard To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#55)
Stone, you really need to stop antagonizing allies like Liberator and me.
Just let it go - pretty much every rock band is un-Christian when you actually look.
Let's not go to a holy war over this.
Deckard posted on 2020-04-06 07:32:39 Reply Private Reply
#57: A K A Stone To: Deckard (#56)
I posted my opinion about Boston. I like them I don't love them.
Liberators source is what I posted later.
Liberator isn't my ally. He is a kook who thinks the earth is flat.
He isn't my enemy either.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-04-06 07:50:49 Reply Private Reply
#58: Deckard To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#57)
So what? I'm a kook for not believing the official 9/11 story and believing Oswald didn't act alone.
I think David Icke is correct on a number of things.
You're a "kook" too.
As far as the flat earth theory - again, so what? Who cares?
Deckard posted on 2020-04-06 07:57:33 Reply Private Reply
#59: Pinguinite To: Liberator (#42)
I'd bet that extreme perfectionists wouldn't have the patience to put up with real, human band members.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-04-06 17:14:32 Reply Private Reply
#60: Liberator To: Pinguinite (#47)
See? Your ear IS changing! (Or maybe how you process music. It's happened to me as well. Normal stuff.
The 'Victory' epic music is strongly reminiscent of 'The Good, Bad and Ugly'. Love that stuff.
Just know that if it's the first time you've heard it and you don't have your stereo totally cranked, it's a crime against humanity. Just so you know.
HA! yeah, I kinda cranked it :-)
Liberator posted on 2020-04-07 17:05:54 Reply Private Reply
#61: Liberator To: Deckard (#49)
Bravo!
Liberator posted on 2020-04-07 17:09:28 Reply Private Reply
#62: Liberator To: Deckard, Pinguinite (#52)
Man, one of THE best guitarists ever.
(really nice rendition of Classical Gas, featuring Glen)
Liberator posted on 2020-04-07 17:11:34 Reply Private Reply
#63: Liberator To: Pinguinite (#48)
Miklos Rozsa is another of the epic flim score composers.
He composed quite a few of the Bible Movie epics and scores of the 1950s and early 1960s (Ben-Hur, King of Kings, El Cid, Quo Vadis)
Here is the London Symphony Orchestra doing an awesome rendition of Rozsa's Ben-Hur:
Liberator posted on 2020-04-07 17:21:55 Reply Private Reply
#64: Mudboy Slim To: Liberator (#44)
As did Jimmy Page, LedZep guitarist extraordinaire and the keystone to my favorite band of all time. Love the talent, not the bizarre anti-religion personal journeys...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2020-04-07 17:25:41 Reply Private Reply
#65: Liberator To: Deckard, ALL (#51)
Of course, 'Turn Turn Turn' uses Ecclesiastes for its lyrics Id always associated 'Jesus Is Just Alright' with the Doobie Bros version.
Just a few others:
'Get Together' (The Youngbloods)
'Spirit in the Sky' (Norman Greenbaum)
'Put Your Hand In The Hand' (Ocean)
Hard to find live version:
Liberator posted on 2020-04-07 17:27:21 Reply Private Reply
#66: Liberator To: All, Deckard, Stoner, Watchman, A K A Stone (#65)
Above is the late Dan Peek's ('America') Christian version of 'Lonely People'. He quit America over his beliefs.
Read Dan Peek's book/bio. Inspirational account and story of his faith.
Liberator posted on 2020-04-07 17:35:33 Reply Private Reply
#67: Mudboy Slim To: BorisY (#29)
Regads, Mr. Yeltsin, and BSOT**!!
**Be Safe Out There
Regards...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2020-04-07 17:39:10 Reply Private Reply
#68: Mudboy Slim To: Liberator (#19)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2020-04-07 17:44:04 Reply Private Reply
#69: Liberator To: Mudboy Slim (#64)
You're absolutely spot on, Mud.
Page even bought Alistair Crowley's castle/house in England as his own.
Yup, Page and Zep were/are also Satanists. Jimmy Page has even described his creation process and inspiration as being a shared process. (read into the "fine print")
Talented, yes. On loan from WHOM? ;-) I can still enjoy some of Zep's work but not all of it for obvious reasons.
Many talented bands unfortunately have declared allegiance to their "god"; (and it ain't OURS.) Like...The Beatles....Stones...yes, quite a few sing homages to the Devil himself (Stones, Van Halen, AC/DC, etal etal...)
Liberator posted on 2020-04-07 17:44:55 Reply Private Reply
#70: Liberator To: Pinguinite (#59)
Makes perfect sense.
Probably annoyed Scholtz to no end. And...maybe even himself.
Liberator posted on 2020-04-07 17:46:31 Reply Private Reply
#71: Mudboy Slim To: Liberator (#19)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2020-04-07 17:47:55 Reply Private Reply