The nation is gripped with coronavirus panic, but there is also fear about what is going to happen to our freedoms and our economy once the crisis is over.
This pandemic has taken its toll on the United States and that is not lost on conservative actor Chuck Norris, who published an Op-Ed for WND on Monday wondering how long it would be until we were under martial law.
The actor said he believes in being prudent and also being peaceful but, he added, he had tough questions to ask.
Norris said he was concerned by the growing lockdown orders and curfews being enforced by law enforcement limiting citizens movements.
If the need for citizen confinement grows, and the restrictions increase, where does it end? And what excessive burden are we then placing upon law enforcement to corral even half of Americans (150 million)? he asked.
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And if even the smallest transgression of confinement restrictions ends up being a misdemeanor, how will officials handle tens of millions of them?
Norris pointed out that if police are expected to enforce the curfews, they too could become stricken with coronavirus
And if that were to happen, not only would the hospitals be overrun with police officers, but there would also be fewer people to enforce the lockdown.
But what is more frightening, as Norris stated, is that if the lockdown lasts for five weeks or longer, citizens could fight back.
How long can we allow Americans, who are a freedom-loving people and patriots, to be under lockdown in their own homes without working? Norris asked.
Many scientists and specialists are even now calling the federal government to a five-week national lockdown? Do we expect the majority to simply comply? Will they have the resources and wherewithal to go the distance without resistance?
These are frightening questions, but the fact is that American citizens are used to being free and they are now being subjected to draconian restrictions on their liberties.
State governments have taken control of the lives of millions of people, telling us where we are allowed to go, what time we have to be home and whose jobs are essential to the state.
Normally, taking that kind of control of a nation would take a war, but no one fired a shot and we handed over all of our rights.
Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, who you may remember from his promotion of ninth-month abortions or his blackface scandal, has closed churches in his state.
Is there any American freedom more fundamental than the right to worship when and where we want to?
No one is saying that some restrictions are not needed, but to many, it appears we have given the government too much power too quickly.
Americans are playing along for now, but the question is how much longer are they going to allow these infringements to stand?
And is the government going to give all of our rights back after the nations mayors and governors have spent a month acting as kings?
That should never be a question we have to ask in America.
But it may be the most important one.
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#1: Willie Green To: Deckard (#0)
Willie Green posted on 2020-03-30 12:55:42 Reply Private Reply
#2: Gatlin To: Deckard (#0)
Chuck Never fear for the Oath Keepers will be Near. Or will they? I have read nothing about the Oath Keepers in years. Have you Deckard? Please let me know
I distinctly remember at the time that they were your glorious warriors united to protect us all from the immediately impending dastardly actions by the U.S. government when it was preparing to commit all nature of atrocities against we the citizens.
You used to give me hell in those olden days for continuing to expose them for what they were and calling the attention to everyone that they had been labeled as one of the largest radical antigovernment groups in the U.S. at that time.
Was it you who was spreading the hysteria about the Jade Shield Operation in Texas and how the Oath Keepers would protect us all? I think so
Ah, those were the days my friend a different fear-mongering rumor from you each day.
Wait
Its the same thing you have continued to do throughout these many years and what you are doing today
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?
And of course Deckard also knows.
And you can bet that he will continue to tell you each and every day
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-30 13:44:29 Reply Private Reply
#3: Deckard To: Gatlin (#2)
Nowhere does that term appear in the article. Chuck Norris wrote the article.
Try to stay on topic gramps.
Deckard posted on 2020-03-30 14:31:41 Reply Private Reply
#4: Gatlin To: Deckard (#3)
Nowhere does that term appear in the article. Chuck Norris wrote the article. Try to stay on topic gramps.
I was searching for something to save us from his dire prediction.
It was then that I thought Ah Ha it was you who preached ever so long how the Oath Keepers made a declaration of orders they will not obey. And I remembered they would mobilize against such an imposition. Therefore, if it ever happens that martial law is declared which I believe will not as Chuck Norris predicts will happen during the forthcoming rebellion [all topics of discussion] then will the Oath Keepers [staying on topic and tying into Chuck Norriss article] refuse to obey all orders pertaining to that declaration of martial law?
They apparently will As they so state in other places and in their summation here:
See I definitely was on topic
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-30 16:13:02 Reply Private Reply
#5: goldilucky To: Gatlin (#2)
The inferred point of that thread reads here:
Norris pointed out that if police are expected to enforce the curfews, they too could become stricken with coronavirus
goldilucky posted on 2020-03-30 19:53:11 Reply Private Reply
#6: rustynail To: Deckard (#0)
rustynail posted on 2020-03-30 20:26:09 Reply Private Reply
#7: Gatlin To: goldilucky (#5)
Thank you for taking time to inform me of the one thing you did not conclude from Deckards thread.
In your apparent very detailed and comprehensive reading from Deckards, in which Deckard stated here that:
While Deckard posted in the header that Carmine Sabia wrote the article.
were you not able to conclude that in reading this Deckard thread one of a multitude of Deckards threads that Deckard quite often gets confused where he presents the wrong information or presents lies by others. And therefore from reading Deckards threads one cannot always arrive at a proper conclusion. With conclusion being defined at merriam-webster.com as:
In concluding your conclusion, you state:
Norris pointed out that if police are expected to enforce the curfews, they too could become stricken with coronavirus
That of course was only one.
Perhaps you overlooked a more imported stated not inferred point in the article which was the lead in premise:
With premise being defined here as:
I did follow the stated proposition:
with another premise which was also inferred to follow and lead to a conclusion.
Now it is quite obvious or it most definitely should be that you came on this thread to chastise me and point out that I committed a wrong.
Consequently, I now politely ask you to please tell me exactly how you feel I did that.
Thank you
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-30 22:22:35 Reply Private Reply
#8: goldilucky To: Gatlin (#7)
Definitely not true at all.
What I stated from the thread was what I believe the author (Norris) was trying to confer to the reader in that his concern about the officers getting this virus was of great concern.
What becomes of society when the officers are in a hold due to their inability to perform their duties as they become seriously ill? You have got to come to the realization that this virus spares noone regardless of their social standing.
goldilucky posted on 2020-03-30 22:56:18 Reply Private Reply
#9: Gatlin To: goldilucky (#8)
Okay I can accept that.
I have posted at least three times that Norris is not the author of the article that is the subject of this thread. I will now again repeat: Carmine Sabia was the author of this article. She provided a link to an Op-Ed that Norris has published in WND. This article by Carmine Sabia is about Rebellion and Martial Law [The Title].Furthermore, officers [police] are already getting this virus and more will continue to do so eah day as also will be the States National Guard called up and the U.S. Army personnel from the Corps of Engineers.
How much more under Martial Law something I believe will not happen can the virus be a threat than it is already I will listen
Since you posed the question, you obviously have considered a possible answer. So, I probably have no different one than you arrived at. You are reaching extremely far out there with your supposition here, Lady Whatever makes you think I have not?Realizing that the summary is used for most important emphasis of a point, I am therefore going repost for you here the last four sentences in this article authored by Carmine Sabia and then ask questions.
Now, after careful consideration, will you please tell me if martial law is the primary concern expressed or is Norris concern about the officers getting this virus the primary concern of this article?
Then I will ask you again to explain to me why you felt me bringing up the Oath Keeps and their pledge to deal with martial law was uncalled for.
Rspectfully
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-31 00:33:28 Reply Private Reply
#10: Deckard To: goldilucky (#5)
The full op-ed by Norris makes no mention of it either.
Will coronavirus lead to martial law?
Gatlin is desperately trying to discredit Norris as well as the author who wrote about him.
Why? Who knows - but it is SOP for the disinfo-bot Tater.
Deckard posted on 2020-03-31 05:41:34 Reply Private Reply
#11: Gatlin To: Deckard, goldilucky (#10)
Goldilucky: From Deckard's thread I did not conclude there was any mention of Oath Keepers.
Deckard: The full op-ed by Norris makes no mention of it either.
The full Op-Ed by Norris also makes absolutely no mention either of what she said:
Nowhere in the full Op-Ed by Norris did he point that out. Did it, Deckard?
And I tried to point out to her that Norris did not point that out and remind her that what the full Op-Ed mentioned throughout its entirety was merely martial law.
What Gatlin is desperately trying to do is find out if the Oath Keepers are still active to protect us. And I figured if anyone would know, then you would.
I asked that of you because I remember that you once knew all about them and fully supported their strong stance and willingness to fight against martial law.
So, I ask: Is it as that we should never fear for the Oath Keppers will be near or not? And as I said to you, I have read nothing about the Oath Keepers in years and I ask you again: Have you. I ask this in no way to desperately discredit Norris as well as the author who wrote about him.
Consequently, Deckard, I continue to ask if you know if we can rest assuredly that the Other Keepers will be here to fight against martial law as you once so desperately tried to assure everyone that they would? Is the reason you will not answer the question that you dont you know if they are still around, or is it that you are too embarrassed to answer or find out? Or all of the above?
Why do you find it so difficult to address my desperate cry out for assistance to find out who will protect us against the martial law that Chuck Norris sees may be looming in a not too distant future? A fear that he so strongly holds in that he had to write an Op-Ed on WND to share with everyone. So, sport, if Chuck Norris fears it then
Open Question:
Respectfully
BTW Good morning to you both.
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-31 07:24:39 Reply Private Reply
#12: Deckard To: goldilucky (#10)
Deckard posted on 2020-03-31 07:35:10 Reply Private Reply
#13: Deckard To: Gatlin, goldilucky (#11)
Gatlin could easily look up that information on his own. We all know that.
Deckard posted on 2020-03-31 07:46:41 Reply Private Reply
#14: A K A Stone To: Willie Green (#1)
So says the leftist baby murderer. Sick.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-03-31 07:52:32 Reply Private Reply
#15: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#4)
They are right that statement. Those who disagree are like red coats.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-03-31 07:54:14 Reply Private Reply
#16: Gatlin To: Deckard (#13)
Gatlin could easily look up that information on his own. We all know that.
Gatlin know this. But Gatlin would find no humor in doing that on his own whereas he would fail to continually point out that you support this anti-government American organization associated with the militia movement and once viewed them as your almighty Savior.
Savior:
Respectfully
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-31 07:59:08 Reply Private Reply
#17: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#9)
That is an easy one. From Deckards link to Norris's actual article. He says "most critical" So it is primarily about martial law.
And most critical of all, as I'm sure it is being pondered in the rooms of the White House as well as the corridors of Congress: How long can we allow Americans, who are a freedom-loving people and patriots, to be under "lockdown" in their own homes without working? Many scientists and specialists are even now calling the federal government to a five-week national lockdown? Do we expect the majority to simply comply? Will they have the resources and wherewithal to go the distance without resistance?
Do we not eventually expect small rebellions or even massive ones to occur in the not-so-distant future if growing requests for lockdowns and deprivations persist? And what will it take for state officials to tip over the morphing milieu of chaos to create the need themselves (based upon the pretense of protection) to call on military intervention and enact martial law? Does that really sound so far-fetched when freedom-loving Americans across our union are being asked to sacrifice their wages, their welfare and stay confined to their homes for weeks on end?
A K A Stone posted on 2020-03-31 08:00:30 Reply Private Reply
#18: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#15)
They are right that statement. Those who disagree are like red coats.
Extracted as a complete stand alone statement They are totally right in that statement.
I have no absolutely disagreement. Ergo, I am not like a red coat Correct?
Respectfully
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-31 08:05:37 Reply Private Reply
#19: Deckard To: Gatlin (#16)
Of course, to you they are anti-government - to you and the SPLC.
Any person or group who stands for the Constitution must be a suspected terrorist hell-bent on taking over the country, right?
Groups like Oathkeepers exist thanks in part due to cowering sheep like you.
As far as viewing them as my almighty Savior...Just more of your delusional bullshit.
Deckard posted on 2020-03-31 08:09:32 Reply Private Reply
#20: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#18)
Well if you have absolutely no disagreement then the question is answered.
A K A Stone posted on 2020-03-31 08:10:06 Reply Private Reply
#21: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#17)
Stone: That is an easy one. From Deckards link to Norris's actual article. He says "most critical" So it is primarily about martial law.
Thank you That is what started this whole exchange when I tried to explain this to goldilucky. Its all about martial law and not the cops getting the virus.
Do we not eventually expect small rebellions or even massive ones to occur in the not-so-distant future if growing requests for lockdowns and deprivations persist? And what will it take for state officials to tip over the morphing milieu of chaos to create the need themselves (based upon the pretense of protection) to call on military intervention and enact martial law? Does that really sound so far-fetched when freedom-loving Americans across our union are being asked to sacrifice their wages, their welfare and stay confined to their homes for weeks on end?
to call on military intervention and enact martial law? Does that really sound so far-fetched
It does to me.
Military intervention is now already occurring in numerous instances across the country without enacting martial law. There is evidence of this everyplace. Martial law has not been needed for military intervention.
I am in agreement with Marco Rubio on this.
Does this make me a red coat? 😊
Respectfully
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-31 08:33:20 Reply Private Reply
#22: Gatlin To: Deckard (#19)
WRONG
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-31 08:37:01 Reply Private Reply
#23: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#20)
Well if you have absolutely no disagreement then the question is answered.
Whew.
Thanks
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-31 08:42:44 Reply Private Reply
#24: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#23)
I am going to now become busy ...
Later ...
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-31 08:46:07 Reply Private Reply
#25: Gatlin To: Deckard (#19)
Nowhere does that term appear in the article. Chuck Norris wrote the article.
Try to stay on topic
Those are YOUR words from Post #3. When you tried t kick my ass for bringing up the Oath Keepers. I just substituted SPLC for Oath Keepers and fed them back to you. And now here you go bringing up the SPLC which again, appears no place in the article.
Touché A word used as an acknowledgment during a discussion of a good or clever point made at one's expense by another person.
Moving along
Where have I ever said that the Oath Keepers are anti-government Show me. You cannot you definitely cannot because I have never stated that. You are of course right about the SPLC Only saying that the Oath Keepers are anti-government is probably the nicest thing the SPLC could ever say about them. The ADL has equally as bad thngs to say about the Oath Keepers. But who cares what these slimy groups have to say about anything Anybody? Not me!
But
Lets take a moment and see what the Fort Worth Star-Telegram has to say about the Oath Keeps. Specifically one of the members. Now mind you, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram is not some asinine SPLC or ADL shooting of at the mouth.
The Star-Telegram in an article published on 2/28/2020 had this to say about the Oath Keepers
Shocking Absolutely shocking
There other damning stories out there
Gatlin posted on 2020-03-31 15:48:59 Reply Private Reply
#26: goldilucky To: Gatlin (#9)
From this article I sensed the primary concern was martial law.
I never said anything about bringing up the oath keepers as being uncalled for.
Who are the real oath keepers anyways? When the President shuts down the country due to dire situations like this, he has the power to designate such powers and duties to the governors of the United States to deploy troops (National Guards) to keep the peace.
goldilucky posted on 2020-03-31 23:14:53 Reply Private Reply
#27: Deckard To: Gatlin (#25)
Your quote:
You used to give me hell in those olden days for continuing to expose them for what they were and calling the attention to everyone that they had been labeled as one of the largest radical antigovernment groups in the U.S. at that time.
*****
Perhaps the most preposterous accusation is calling the Oath Keepers anti-government. When the organization was founded, only actual Oath Takers (law enforcement & military) were considered full members. By their very nature, the body of Oath Keepers was made up of men and women who still are or were EMPLOYED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
I am the current Constable of Hood County, Texas Precinct 2. I am a public servant OF the government. Neither I, nor the Oath Keepers as an organization, are anti-government. The U.S. Constitution, the document this organization holds as sacrosanct, is the foundational document of our GOVERNMENT.
The definition of Militia, according to Websters Dictionary is:
a. a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency
b. a body of citizens organized for military service
2. the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service
The Oath Keepers is not a militia organization. Most members of the organization could be considered as potential members of the Constitutional Militia, but it has no association to their membership in Oath Keepers. All able-bodied male citizens in our country make up the Constitutional Militia, to be called upon in times of need.
There are also many members of Oath Keepers that would NOT be considered potential members of the Constitutional Militia, because we welcome many disabled veterans and peace officers among our membership.
While the Oath Keepers, as an organization, is not part of the Militia, we dont consider a legally organized militia as a negative. Militia is not a bad word. The founders considered the Militia as an integral part of the defensive structure of our nation.
hoodcountytoday.com/oath-...-an-insiders-perspective/
Deckard posted on 2020-04-01 07:15:21 Reply Private Reply
#28: Gatlin To: Deckard (#27)
You must be clear when you state
that it was not I who made that statement.
And I have absolutely no reason to support or condemn the article published in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Furthermore, I must say that your copy and paste benign effort to defend the Oath Keepers was actually Piss-Poor It did nothing to support their cause and performed no purpose.
However, some would say that you deserve a thank you for your futile attempt.
I will still get back to you with a follow-up on the other post when I can find time Be patient.
Respectfully
Gatlin posted on 2020-04-01 09:50:40 Reply Private Reply
#29: Deckard To: Gatlin (#28)
Merely injecting some facts into the mix.
I will still get back to you with a follow-up on the other post when I can find time Be patient.
No thanks - you've completely taken over the thread with your own agenda.
Deckard posted on 2020-04-01 10:54:40 Reply Private Reply
#30: Gatlin To: Deckard (#27)
I was reading back through you post here and while doing so, some questions came to mind. I will now share those questions with you in hopes of getting some sincere and factual answers.
You posted:
I find that:
You posted:
There are different types of military service. Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard are the armed forces of the United States. Tell me, please which part of these armed forces is the Oath Keepers organization a part of.
You posted:
The Selective Service System is authorized by the Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution which says Congress
The current Act states: Under current law, all male U.S. citizens between 1825 (inclusive) years of age are required
Tell me, please That the Oath Keepers organization is composed [only of] the whole body of able-bodied male citizens [declared by law all male U.S. citizens between 1825 (inclusive) years of age] as being subject to call to military service.
Maybe you neo should stop
Respectfully
Gatlin posted on 2020-04-01 12:08:12 Reply Private Reply
#31: Gatlin To: Deckard (#29)
See where I injected those so-called facts of your in my Post #30
Respectfully
Gatlin posted on 2020-04-01 12:11:56 Reply Private Reply
#32: Gatlin To: Deckard (#29)
You should feel to offer your most sincere gratitude to me for that For keeping this thread alive since no one else seems to have much interest in Chuck Norris waring of rebellion and martial law or any desire to keep it open.
Respectfully
Gatlin posted on 2020-04-01 12:20:23 Reply Private Reply