Cunning Lawfare Maneuver House Will Withhold Submission of Articles from Senate
Posted on December 18, 2019
by sundance
Seemingly overlooked by most, when the House voted on the rules of impeachment they removed the traditional appointment of House Managers to a later date.
Normally the House Managers would be appointed at the same time as the impeachment vote; however, by withholding the appointment House Democrats are indicating they will not immediately send articles of impeachment to the senate but will rather hold the articles as support for pending court cases toward their judicial authority.
A cunning Lawfare ploy.
As interested observers will note the House never voted to authorize the full judicial impeachment process; instead they voted to approve an inquiry into whether an impeachment should take place. By not voting to authorize articles of impeachment the House never gained judicial enforcement authority. The absence of judicial authority is now working its way through the courts in various cases.
It appears the absence of appointing House impeachment managers; and the decision to withhold sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate; is now a specific design.
As the process appears to be unfolding, the Lawfare contracted lawyers representing the House: chief legal counsel Douglas Letter, Barry Berke, Norm Eisen and Daniel Goldman will now argue before the courts that all of the constitutionally contended material is required as evidence for a pending judicial proceeding, a trial in the Senate.
What the house crew have assembled is an interesting back-door attempt to position a valid claim for evidence against the accused without having first gained judicial authority for it. The Lawfare crew will argue to the lower courts, and to SCOTUS, the blocked evidentiary material is critical evidence in a soon-to-be-held Senate trial.
The material they have been seeking is: (1) Mueller grand jury material; (2) a deposition by former White House counsel Don McGahn; and less importantly (3) Trump financial and tax records. Each of these issues is currently being argued in appellate courts (6e and McGahn) and the supreme court (financials/taxes).
The House impeachment of President Trump succeeds in applying the label impeached president that was their primary political purpose. President Trump is marred with the label of an impeached president.
Now the delay in sending the articles of impeachment allows the House lawyers to gather additional evidence while the impeachment case sits in limbo.
The House essentially blocks any/all impeachment activity in the Senate by denying the transfer of the articles from the House to the Senate. Additionally, the House will now impede any other Senate legislative action because the House will hold the Senate captive. Meanwhile the Democrat presidential candidates can run against an impeached President.
Lawfares legal svengali Lawrence Tribe recently penned an op-ed with this type of recommendation; and it appears the community that worships Tribe, including the House lawyers writ large, are following his advice.
While Politico outlines the plan from a position if the scheme as a new idea, the fact the House impeachment rules were changed to drop the appointment of the managers speaks to considerable forethought on this type of plan.
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#1: nolu chan To: All (#0)
The first problem is that there is no pending trial in the Senate, and there will be no pending trial in the Senate, unless and until the House sends the impeachment to the Senate.
Blacks Law Dctionary, 6th Ed.
The Senate has sole authority over impeachment trials. They have no authority over the process at this time as there is no trial pending. The complaint has not been filed with the court.
The Report has been written and the vote has been taken. To say this post-vote process would be irregular is an understatement. They either seek to change the record after the vote, and present the changed Record, or require the Senate to hear or receive depositions of witnesses not in the record. While the House has sole (but not unlimited) power of impeachment, they have no authority whatever over an impeachment trial. From the time it is turned over to the Senate, the Senate alone has the power.
Another problem is that this signals in a bright, bold way, that the case was not ready for presentation to the Senate when the vote was taken.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-19 00:29:37 Reply Private Reply
#2: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#1)
And it places all of the eggs in the basket of the judiciary. if the Supreme Court rules for the President on the different evidentiary prongs, there will a judicial answer that forecloses each of those prongs and leaves less and less for the Senate to decide on.
and if the election comes without the impeachment having been referred, and a new election occurs, if the GOP wins the House, they can reverse the impeachment and never send the articles over. if they lose, they can go to court and assert that a suspended legislative action died with the Old Congress and has to be either renewed by the new or dropped.
The Courts have been historically reluctant to become involved in political matters, but the Democratic house may have reached a level of standardless and unprprincipled interference with the presidency that a Federal judiciary stacked with the presidents appointees may need to decide to become involved in a political matter, to the thunderous applause of the people and the other 1 1/2 branches of government.
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-19 07:40:13 Reply Private Reply
#3: misterwhite To: Vicomte13 (#2)
Well, there's that period from the election to the swearing in that the Democrats could use to forward the articles.
misterwhite posted on 2019-12-19 09:33:18 Reply Private Reply
#4: Mudboy Slim To: Vicomte13 (#2)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2019-12-19 11:10:24 Reply Private Reply
#5: nolu chan To: Vicomte13 (#2)
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/18/pollak-senate-can-acquit-even-if-house-doesnt-transmit-articles-of-impeachment-constitution/
That does not appear to be "all", as claimed. While the Senate has the sole power to try impeachments, that power does not appear to exist until the House managers are appointed and directed to carry the Articles to the Senate.
I fail to see where Nancy gains any leverage. All Mitch has to do is say take your time with your urgent resolutions, see you next year, and adjourn for the holidays. After the holidays, the GOP can pummel Nancy for sitting on the Resolutions which were so urgent they could not wait for the courts.
Nancy will have a hard time explaining this to the people. Imagine presidential candidates trying to explain this. It looks like political suicide.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-99sdoc33/pdf/CDOC-99sdoc33.pdf
99th Cogress
2d Session
Document 99-33
Procedure and Guidelines for Impeachment Trials i the United States Senate (Revised Edition)
Prepared Pursuant to Senate Resolution 439, 99th Congress, 2d Session
Submitted by Senator Robert C. Byrd and Senator Robert Dole
By Floyd M. Riddick, Parliamentarian of the United States Senate
Robert B. Dove, Parliametarian of the United States Senate
August 15, 1986
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nolu chan posted on 2019-12-19 13:24:20 Reply Private Reply
#6: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#5)
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-20 10:10:09 Reply Private Reply
#7: nolu chan To: Vicomte13 (#6)
Absolutely correct.
The Senate can add insult by adopting a rule that an impeachment is not considered to have been completed until House Managers present Articles of Impeachment to the Senate in proper form. The Senate will not take notice of any impeachment prior to the entire impeachment process having been completed.
By such rule, if the Articles are not presented, President Trump could maintain that he has not been impeached as the process was not completed. Compare to the batter who knocks it out of the park and fails to run and touch all the bases.
Also, the Senate could give Nancy a deadline by adopting a rule that following a vote of the required majority in the House for impeachment, any such articles not formally presented to the Senate by House Managers within fourteen (14) days of said vote, an entry of acquittal shall be made upon the record in the Senate, with a notation of non-prosecution as the reason therefor.
In the impeachment of Andrew Johnson, the Senate acquitted on Article 11, then acquitted on Article 2 and 3, and then adjourned sine die, and abandoned Article 1, and Articles 4 thru 10, with no further vote.
There is much idle talk of SCOTUS this or that, but I think they will be very reluctant to get involved and simply decline cert for a political matter.
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-20 19:29:55 Reply Private Reply
#8: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#7)
i expect McConnell will play this one like a symphony, for maximum effectiveness.
Vicomte13 posted on 2019-12-20 22:49:11 Reply Private Reply
#9: nolu chan To: Vicomte13 (#8)
If impeachment is complete, and Trump stands impeached, then notification to the Senate should be a ministerial action.
If impeachment is not complete until the notification is made, everyone can stop saying Trump has been impeached.
It is an interesting question of exactly when the House power over impeachment ends, but it would seem to end when the act of impeachment is complete.
If the Speaker holds the authority to impeach and delay notification indefinitely, it would seem that on legislation, if enough Democrats crossed over to pass a law she did not like, she could delay indefinitely forwarding it to the President, effectively holding a pocket veto.
Perhaps we have entered the Twilight Zone and are experiencing an alternate reality. A radical element, not representative of the majority, has control of the Democratic Party and appears to take their cues from Animal House:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h4DZeBleLs
nolu chan posted on 2019-12-21 01:08:15 Reply Private Reply