Hartford, CT — On September 11, 2015, journalist and police accountability activist, Michael Picard was illegally detained for lawfully open carrying and filming police on public property. During the illegal detainment, Connecticut state troopers confiscated his gun and his camera. However, the trooper who took the phone went on to make a critical mistake — he left the camera rolling while conspiring with fellow officers to falsely charge Picard. In 2017, it was revealed by the department that they investigated themselves and found they did nothing wrong when they conspired to frame an innocent man.
“They were exonerated,” police union attorney Mark Dumas said. “The troopers didn’t do anything wrong. They were doing their jobs, and they do an excellent job.”
Apparently this “excellent job” consisted of trampling the rights of an innocent person and conspiring to have them kidnapped and locked in a cage. Sure thing, Dumas.
Now, because the system failed to hold the officers accountable, the case is now a civil matter and the troopers involved have been ordered to stand trial in the civil suit brought on by the ACLU of Connecticut. The taxpayers, not the officers will be the ones to pay for the crimes.
The Free Thought Project spoke to the ACLU via email this week, who issued the following statement on the case.
“The Constitution is clear: people have a right to protest the police, and people have a right against police taking their property from them without a warrant,” said ACLU of Connecticut legal director Dan Barrett, who is representing Picard in the lawsuit. “The evidence, including video, will show that these police employees were more concerned with covering up their bad behavior, undermining free speech, and retaliating against a protester than with upholding the law. We look forward to getting justice for Michael in front of the jury.”
We agree. TFTP also spoke to Picard, who told us the following.
“People have the right to protest, including the right to protest police, without ticketing or retaliation against them. I am deeply disappointed that these police ignored my rights, and I am hopeful that the court will hold them accountable so that no one else has to experience what I did,” said Picard.
As TFTP reported at the time, on that September night, Picard and a friend were on public property and warning drivers of a DUI checkpoint ahead. They were several hundred yards from the checkpoint and not interfering at all when troopers drove up, without lights on, and against the flow of traffic, to begin harassing the two gentlemen.
Trooper First Class John Barone, Sergeant John Jacobi, and Trooper Jeff Jalbert falsely claimed that Picard was waving his gun around and pointing it at people. However, Picard was holding a sign the entire time and did not touch his gun. Also, as you will see below, the officers admit that they were lying.
“Police should be focused on public safety, not punishing protesters and those who film public employees working on a public street,” said ACLU-CT legal director Dan Barrett, who is representing Picard in the lawsuit. “As the video shows, these police officers were more concerned with thwarting Mr. Picard’s free speech and covering their tracks than upholding the law.”
Had Picard actually been waving a gun, these troopers would have approached the situation in an entirely different manner, with guns drawn and possible SWAT backup. However, they did no such thing, because there was clearly no threat from the activists.
The fact that there was no threat did not stop the subsequent assault, however.
Two troopers approached Picard while forcefully removing his gun and then grabbing his camera, falsely claiming it is illegal to film. When Picard informs the officer can legally film here, the officer ignorantly asserts that “It’s illegal to take my picture. Personally, it is illegal.”
“Did you get any documentation that I am allowing you to take my picture”? asks the cop.
When Picard attempts to explain to the aggressive officer that he doesn’t need a permit because he is on public property, the trooper then makes the asinine declaration that, “No I’m not (on public property). I’m on state property. I’m on state property.”
State-owned roadways and right of ways are public property. The trooper’s assertion that it is illegal to film on his ‘state property’ was entirely false and in violation of Connecticut Bill No. 245, which “protects the right of an individual to photograph or video record peace officers in the performance of their duties.”
All this aggressive and unlawful behavior of these troopers, however, was about to come back to haunt them. After illegally confiscating the camera — the trooper forgot to stop it from recording.
What happened next was a behind the scenes glimpse of what it looks and sounds like when cops lie to charge innocent people with crimes.
The corruption starts as an unidentified trooper begins to search for anything that these gentlemen may have done to make up charges against them. However, they were clean. At this point, Trooper first class Barone chimes in describing how they now have to charge these men with something to justify their harassment and subsequent detainment.
“Want me to punch a number on this? Gotta cover our ass,” explains the trooper as they begin conspiring.
“Let’s give him something,” says an unidentified trooper, pondering the ways they can lie about this innocent man.
“What are they going to do? Are they going to do anything?” says Sergeant Jacobi, noting that they are entirely innocent.
“It’s legal to do it,” he continues, describing how the actions of the two activists are completely legal, before going on to make up charges on them.
“I think we do simple trespass, we do reckless use of the highway and creating a public disturbance,” Jacobi says as he makes up these false charges against innocent people. “All three are tickets.”
Once they figure out the false charges to raise, the officers then brainstorm a story of lies to back them up.
“And then we claim that, um, in backup, we had multiple, um,” the unidentified trooper stutters as he makes up his fake story. “Um, they (the non-existent complainants) didn’t want to stay and give us a statement, so we took our own course of action.”
The corrupt cops had then solved their fake case, lied about a cover story, and were set to charge an innocent man with three crimes — all in a day’s work.
But there was just one more thing…. “Oh s**t!” blurts out the cop as he realizes their entire scandalous corrupt conversation was just recorded. Apparently, however, the officer felt that it must not have recorded their conversation as the phone was returned.
The cops then gave the innocent man back his weapon, and it’s back to the DUI checkpoint for them — to harass and detain more innocent people.
Picard explained that all of the troopers involved in his unlawful situation were never disciplined and allowed to progress through the ranks, with some of them retiring. Picard explains:
Trooper First Class John Barone, the trooper who said it was illegal for me to record him, seized my camera and recorded himself saying, “We gotta cover our ass,” is now retired and collecting a pension thanks to the taxpayers.
Sergeant John Jacobi is now retired and collecting a pension thanks to the taxpayers.
Master Sergeant Patrick Torneo, the trooper who said “let’s give him something,” and then helped fabricate a story to charge me, was demoted for reportedly driving drunk, but is now a lieutenant.
Lieutenant Stavros Mellekas, who conducted the internal affairs “investigation” and found that the troopers did nothing wrong, was magically promoted four ranks, and is now second in command of the Connecticut State Police.
All troopers are being represented by the attorney general’s office and their defense is being paid for by the taxpayers.
This is justice in the land of the free.
#23: Deckard To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#22)
HAHAHAHA!!!
Deckard posted on 2019-09-29 20:04:29 Reply Private Reply
#24: GrandIsland To: Gatlin (#22)
Don’t waste your time with Stone. No matter how bad Dicktard, Hondope or Fred’s Ass Hurtz treats Stone, calls him vile names on his own forum, Stone always lets them back on to post.
Here is FACT. Stone could tell Dicktard not to post something, and we fucking both know, Dicktard with do what ever the fuck he wants. We also know Stone will never permanently ban a PAULTARD... so think about it. If Stone won’t permanently ban Dicktard, and Dicktard won’t follow Stones directives... THEN STONE HAS TO FLIP FLOP.
It is what it is.
GrandIsland posted on 2019-09-29 20:23:01 Reply Private Reply
#25: GrandIsland To: Gatlin (#22)
One example:
I'm sick of your lies asshole.
Deckard posted on 2019-08-15 8:43:51 ET
GrandIsland posted on 2019-09-29 20:26:45 Reply Private Reply
#26: Gatlin To: Deckard (#21)
A “likely scenario” – Stop with the “spin.”
It is making you look more stupid than you are.
So are you saying or implying that Matt Agorist was just making up shit as he went along?
And those things he made up were untrue – Right?
Therefore, Matt Agorist fabricated some LIES – Right?
No, it’s not OK.
If I ever inadvertently post anything that is a lie, I fully expect to be called on it and I will immediately react to rectify the error and apologize for not catching it.
I didn’t see where Stone said Matt Agorist lies were permitted after he had said: ”I don't like liars.”
What I am discussing with you are lies by Matt Agorist – not an unspecified quantity of articles.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 20:36:24 Reply Private Reply
#27: Gatlin To: Deckard (#23)
Show where I ever did either …Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 20:38:30 Reply Private Reply
#28: Gatlin To: GrandIsland (#24)
I know that you are absolutely correct.
So sad - So VERY SAD ...
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 20:39:41 Reply Private Reply
#29: Deckard To: Gatlin (#26)
I didn’t see where Stone said that the title was a lie. In fact, he made some rather positive comments agreeing with the article itself.
Stop trying to be the forum nanny Parsons.
You don't agree with the title?
Your whining is duly noted.
Deckard posted on 2019-09-29 20:43:04 Reply Private Reply
#30: Deckard To: Gatlin (#27)
Every libertarian-bashing screed you post for example.
I NEVER made ANY “excuses for the cops"
Every thread where a cop abuses innocent citizens - you and FireIsland worship cops.
Deckard posted on 2019-09-29 20:46:06 Reply Private Reply
#31: Gatlin To: Deckard (#30)
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 20:53:32 Reply Private Reply
#32: Deckard To: Gatlin (#31)
I answered your questions boot-licker.
Deckard posted on 2019-09-29 21:04:16 Reply Private Reply
#33: Gatlin To: Deckard (#29)
Perhaps he no longer cares that you post Matt Agorist articles containing LIES.
Yes, I of course noticed that.When all the while I was calling his attention to ONLY the LIE.
I never agree with a LIE. Posting a fact should never be considered “whining.”Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 21:05:44 Reply Private Reply
#34: Gatlin To: Deckard (#32)
Will you admit they were lies?
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 21:09:18 Reply Private Reply
#35: Deckard To: Gatlin (#31)
You've been deflecting the entire thread.
35 posts in and you have yet to address the egregious behavior of the lying cops.
Deckard posted on 2019-09-29 21:13:20 Reply Private Reply
#36: Gatlin To: Deckard (#29)
Pointing out LIES by Matt Agorist should never be consider being a forum nannySalute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 21:13:44 Reply Private Reply
#37: Gatlin To: Deckard (#35)
Pointing out the LIES in the article on this thread by Matt Agorist should never be considered deflecting.Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 21:15:43 Reply Private Reply
#38: Gatlin To: Deckard (#37)
the two lies by Matt Agorist.
Will you admit they were lies?
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 21:16:54 Reply Private Reply
#39: Deckard To: Gatlin (#37)
Oh, now the entire article is a lie?
Please point out the lies here:
The corruption starts as an unidentified trooper begins to search for anything that these gentlemen may have done to make up charges against them. However, they were clean. At this point, Trooper first class Barone chimes in describing how they now have to charge these men with something to justify their harassment and subsequent detainment.
“Want me to punch a number on this? Gotta cover our ass,” explains the trooper as they begin conspiring.
“Let’s give him something,” says an unidentified trooper, pondering the ways they can lie about this innocent man.
“What are they going to do? Are they going to do anything?” says Sergeant Jacobi, noting that they are entirely innocent.
“It’s legal to do it,” he continues, describing how the actions of the two activists are completely legal, before going on to make up charges on them.
“I think we do simple trespass, we do reckless use of the highway and creating a public disturbance,” Jacobi says as he makes up these false charges against innocent people. “All three are tickets.”
Once they figure out the false charges to raise, the officers then brainstorm a story of lies to back them up.
“And then we claim that, um, in backup, we had multiple, um,” the unidentified trooper stutters as he makes up his fake story. “Um, they (the non-existent complainants) didn’t want to stay and give us a statement, so we took our own course of action.”
The corrupt cops had then solved their fake case, lied about a cover story, and were set to charge an innocent man with three crimes — all in a day’s work.
Nice tactic troll - nitpicking about a title while ignoring the numerous ACTUAL lies made up by these cops.
Deckard posted on 2019-09-29 21:17:51 Reply Private Reply
#40: Gatlin To: Deckard (#39)
No, I only spotted two lies by Matt Agorist – but I did not bother to check more closely.Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 21:19:36 Reply Private Reply
#41: Gatlin To: Deckard (#39)
I did not see any lies in the except you posted.
These are the lies I saw.
The FIRST LIE by Matt Agorist:
The SECOND LIE from Matt Agorist:
Can you either admit those are lies or document proof they are not?
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 21:27:45 Reply Private Reply
#42: Gatlin To: Deckard (#39)
I deal with lies on a first come basis …
You admit to the lies I discovered first and then I will address your points
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 21:32:01 Reply Private Reply
#43: Gatlin To: Deckard (#39)
I will be more than pleased to address this point AFTER you either admit that Matt Agorist LIED or proved that he did not.My charge came first – It should be addressed first.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 21:35:01 Reply Private Reply
#44: Deckard To: Gatlin (#41)
State troopers to stand civil trial for taking protester’s camera, filing charges against him at West Hartford checkpoint (Hartford Courant)
Deckard posted on 2019-09-29 21:37:25 Reply Private Reply
#45: Gatlin To: GrandIsland (#24)
Deckard did just that. Dckard posted an article by Matt Agorist while Stone had restricted him from posting any article byMatt Agorist.Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 21:41:28 Reply Private Reply
#46: Deckard To: Gatlin, FireIsland (#45)
Stone later rescinded that edict - try to keep up assclowns.
Deckard posted on 2019-09-29 21:45:47 Reply Private Reply
#47: Gatlin To: Deckard (#46)
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 21:51:26 Reply Private Reply
#48: Deckard To: Gatlin (#47)
Uh, no I didn't. I'm not going to jump through hoops for you and look it up, but Stone rescinded his ban at least a week ago.
But I suppose since you've lied at least once, might as well keep' em coming.
Still ignoring where I smacked down one of your false assertions?
State troopers to stand civil trial for taking protester’s camera, filing charges against him at West Hartford checkpoint (Hartford Courant)
Deckard posted on 2019-09-29 21:59:36 Reply Private Reply
#49: Gatlin To: Deckard, nolu chan (#44)
Nobody has been ordered to stand trial. A trial has not yet been scheduled.See Post 19 by nolu chan for the last four docket entries.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 22:00:56 Reply Private Reply
#50: Deckard To: Gatlin (#49)
Deckard posted on 2019-09-29 22:02:29 Reply Private Reply
#51: Gatlin To: Deckard, nolu chan (#50)
That is a newspaper report.
See the court actual documents.
Show me the date and case number.
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 22:43:12 Reply Private Reply
#52: nolu chan To: Gatlin, Deckard (#51)
Yeah, it is. Here are the DOCKET REPORT and the COMPLAINT.
DOCKET REPORT Picard v Torneo, DCCT 3-16-Cv-1564-WWE Retrieved 29 Sep 2019
https://www.scribd.com/document/428027798/DOCKET-REPORT-Picard-v-Torneo-DCCT-3-16-Cv-1564-WWE-Retrieved-29-Sep-2019
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Picard v Torneo, DCCT 3-16-cv-1564-WWE (15 Sep 2016) Doc 1, COMPLAINT
https://www.scribd.com/document/428028071/Picard-v-Torneo-Dcct-3-16-Cv-1564-Wwe-15-Sep-2016-Doc-1-Complaint
nolu chan posted on 2019-09-29 23:00:36 Reply Private Reply
#53: Gatlin To: Deckard, A K A Stone, GrandIsland, nolu chan (#48)
I have not lied – I will NEVER lie.You INTENTIONALLY violated Stone’s instructions while probably assuming that he would never catch you.
He didn’t – But I did.
Summary:
Actual posts:
But you know, I took the time and went to the trouble to show that you did it at least once – knowing full well that Stone is not going to do anything about you violating his specific instructions.For it is as GrandIsland said:
Nah, Stone will not do SHIT about you, Deckard – TOTALLY DISREGARDING his instructions – But, he surely will jump all over me and he will will tell me to “get my head out of my ass” for trying to show him where Matt Agorist LIED.A sad display – Ever so sad …
Stone said:
I say:I’m finished …
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 23:09:00 Reply Private Reply
#54: Gatlin To: nolu chan (#52)
You are a good Person who has my respect.
Hand Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-29 23:10:24 Reply Private Reply
#55: nolu chan To: Gatlin, Deckard (#51)
That should be Connecticut Senate Bill 245 of 2012, and after it is passed it is an Act, and then it is a law. Mere technicalities.
However, with his usual flair (entirely false), Matt Agorist flubs the dub again. The law in question is not some grossly generalized thing with no exceptions. The law is not so general and has exceptions. Moreover, the Court has already dismissed the associated Count on summary judgment on the grounds that Matt Agorist is full of crap. The Court did not really say that, it was just my inner Agorist coming out. The Court did say, 13 days before the onslaught of Matt Agorist bullshit:
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2012/TOB/S/2012SB-00245-R00-SB.htm
nolu chan posted on 2019-09-30 01:24:46 Reply Private Reply
#56: Gatlin To: nolu chan (#55)
When I read that headline by Matt Agorist I went no further for I immediately began a search to verify the premise of his story and I continue to do so today. I waste no time ever before I begin fact-checking the articles by Matt Agorist.
I still have found that nowhere is there one iota of evidence to show any basis whatsoever to indicate in any way there is pending legal court action for the State of Connecticut “taxpayers to be held liable” in any way whatsoever for actions by the Connecticut state troopers in the story.
Have you?
It has been reported – and we both have often verified – that Matt Agorist and The Free Thought Project are entwined in a vicious circle of mutual manipulation, mythmaking and they are promoting a self-interest agenda. Matt Agorist needs to always create a crises headline to dramatize some salient facts of an actual situation whereby he appears to be responding to a crises. Far too often there are just enough facts presented but there is never really a crises – there is however much joint fabrications added to a situation.
The two have become so ensnared in a symbiotic web of lies that they are virtually unable to tell the public complete truth because they flavor the situation with such soul-searching and tear-jerking drama.
Paul H. Weaver, a former Harvard University political scientist, a Fortune magazine journalist and a Ford Motor Company corporate communications executive presented such a thesis in his demonstrative provocative analysis showing News and the Culture of Lying: How Journalism Really Works.
Matt Agorist and The Free Thought Project have learned all of the “deceptive tricks” and they use them most effectively to unfortunately fool some. All they ever do is take a story from another source and flavor it with fabricated lies in order to create excitement which will gain sympathy and attract attention.
And why Stone changed his mind to once again permit these “flavored news story atrocities” to appear on his web site – only Stone knows.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-30 05:56:47 Reply Private Reply
#57: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#42)
No you don't. You didn't mention one lie the cops told. Not one.
How about doing that now. Instead of whining about an accurate title, yes the taxpayers will pay for the asshole liar cops on the video.
Are you capable of addressing the substance of the article or are you to obsessed with Deckard and proving libertarians aren't your equal?
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-30 07:31:57 Reply Private Reply
#58: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#56)
Free speech and open dialog. Back to my original position on the home page.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-30 07:33:55 Reply Private Reply
#59: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#56)
Everyone has their own agenda. Your agenda is to trash libetarians. Now I don't agree with libertarians on moral issues either. But they aren't wrong on everything that is for sure.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-30 07:35:34 Reply Private Reply
#60: A K A Stone To: nolu chan (#55)
Judges are corrupt and this is bullshit just like Roberts and Obamacare.
The cops said on tape that they had to cover their asses. So they made up stuff after the fact.
The cops should be fired and imprisoned and would be if we had honest judges and prosecutors.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-30 07:40:15 Reply Private Reply
#61: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#57)
What is it that you don’t understand about “lies on a first come basis?”
The first lie to come was: “Taxpayers to Be Held Liable …”
I have – as nolu chan also has – proved it was a lie.
That is correct – absolutely correct.For, it is as I have repeatedly said: I deal with lies on a first come basis …
And I am still dealing with the first lie.
I will be pleased to address your point after you concede that Matt Agorist told a lie first in the headline.
Will you do that – Or either prove that Connecticut “Taxpayers to Be Held Liable” for the actions by three state troopers?
“Whining” your ass. I am just doing a great job of “dressing you down.” You made a proof positive statement. Now you should show me show me where, how and when.But you can’t do that. Can you?
I am fully capable of addressing the substance of the article after you deal with the first lie – and thus far, you have shown that you are totally incapable of handling it.As I said – First lies first.
You admit it was a lie or prove it to be a fact.
Then I will be more than pleased to honor your request.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-30 08:51:14 Reply Private Reply
#62: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#58)
GrandIsland stated in:
Yes, I called you a “weak-assed Flip Flopper” simply on the ground where you effectively demonstrated yourself to be.
It was you who so BOLDLY stated to Deckard:
I showed you where Deckard INTENTIONALLY violated your edict and you don’t do a fucking thing about it. Oh, but you can tell me to get my head out of my ass and stop whining – All while you Flip Flop. Geeeze …I don’t see you running a web forum any longer. You have a registered domain that has become “Deckard’s Personal Blog.” That is an opinion – a carefully considered opinion.
But I believe you cannot help but recognize this – for without Deckard filling the side-bar with cop-hating and anti-government articles, you site activity would be nothing to speak of.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-30 09:15:16 Reply Private Reply
#63: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#59)
That is true.
And you have let your web forum become a “parrot” for the Matt Aforist and The Free Thought Project through he designed efforts of Deckard running his on blog on what once was your forum.
Nah, my agenda is not to trash libertarians. My agenda is to use their fuck-ups as an in-your-face mirror look-back at Deckard for continually posting cop- hating articles while he constantly proclaims that he only hates “bad cops”. It gets him riled and responsive. And I must confess – I do enjoy doing that.
The libertarians are not wrong on everything and that is for sure. But everything the libertarians are right on – they stole for someone else. The have no original ideas. Research will show you that for everything they post – someone has either already said it, tried it or done it.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-30 09:27:18 Reply Private Reply
#64: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#63)
I have been boldly blunt with you.
I never in any way intended to offend you and I sincerely hope that I did not do so.
I also have been direly truthful in expressing my views and sentiments.
I know of no other way - It is my nature.
I wish you well …
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-30 09:32:38 Reply Private Reply
#65: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#57)
No, I am not.
I will explain why, although I fear that you will not understand.
Here is but one reason:
Here are 8 other reasons - People Who Were Executed and Later Found Innocent.
I learned long ago as an investigating officer for Courts-Martials never to pass judgement on what I am seeing or hearing during the investigation.
A judgment can be made only after all evidence is presented and carefully considered – and this usually takes place in a court of law.
I have no problem with you making the snap judgments your have demonstrated that you are so ever prone to make.
But I have every right to say that I think you are wrong to make them without factual verification.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-30 10:24:40 Reply Private Reply
#66: nolu chan To: A K A Stone (#60)
The quote is not from a judge or a court. It is a direct linked quote of a law of the State of Connecticut.
You may call it bullshit, but it undoubtedly the actual law, as opposed to imaginary bullshit law. Real law trumps imaginary bullshit law.
Identifying information as provided at my #55:
nolu chan posted on 2019-09-30 10:50:51 Reply Private Reply
#67: Gatlin To: nolu chan, A K A Stone (#66)
Although I had already anticipated exactly what it would be.
And it was exactly as I expected.
Later …
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-30 10:57:42 Reply Private Reply
#68: nolu chan To: Deckard, A K A Stone, Gatlin (#0)
Is it inferred that the Court will require the taxpayer to pay? That would be false.
As I have noted, no governmental entity is a named defendant in Picard v. Torneo, et al.
Why is no element of government named as defendant?
When you get done with that, the next question is:
How could there be a judgment of liability against the taxpayer where no element of government is a party to the lawsuit?
nolu chan posted on 2019-09-30 12:24:57 Reply Private Reply
#69: nolu chan To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#59)
Just for the record, my agenda is to trash misstatement of law or facts. With Matt Agorist and a few others, such misstatements are in wild abundance.
nolu chan posted on 2019-09-30 12:29:48 Reply Private Reply
#70: Gatlin To: nolu chan, A K A Stone (#69)
That is the basically the same with me.I start reading and I go into an automatic mode to either disprove or prove what I am reading. With most all the crap that Deckard posts, I continually find myself in the disprove mode.
Strangely enough, after I spend all my time disproving what is in the cop-hating article – I am consequently labeled either a “cop-sucker” or a “boot-licker” when all I have done is to challenge opinions and conclusions.
If the name-callers would read to comprehend and not read to confirm what they already want to think – they would then find what I am saying is true. That being – I am not defending cops. I am merely exposing the lies and disproving the lies against them.
Well, maybe that does make me a cop-supporter. If so, then I will wear the title proudly for I am truly an “law and order” person.
Those people who read a biased article and immediately form a firm conclusion will never cease to amaze me.
To sum it all up, my analytical mind is always subconsciously asking as I read through an article: Why is the author trying to convince me what I am reading is true – and – is it really true?
You and I essentially have the same agenda, which again is:
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-30 13:32:27 Reply Private Reply
#71: nolu chan To: Gatlin (#70)
Get used to it. I does not look like it will change.
nolu chan posted on 2019-09-30 14:08:42 Reply Private Reply
#72: Gatlin To: nolu chan (#71)
And I an thoroughly enjoying doing it ...
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-30 14:10:45 Reply Private Reply