In Brief
- The Facts:
Edward Snowden recently released a book titled "Permanent Record." The US government is now suing the publisher of the book for not giving the CIA and the NSA a chance to erase classified details from the book.
- Reflect On:
What is the government really protecting? Are they protecting the well being of the citizenry or are they protecting immoral, unethical, political, corporate and elitist interests?
George Orwells 1984 is a classic book depicting a populace ruled by a political regime that persecutes individualism and independent critical thinking as thoughtcrimes that must be enforced by the thought police. This party seeks power above all, and, through the propagandist Ministry of Truth, presents the people with their version of truth and casts away all other information and opinion. Sound familiar?
This is exactly whats happening today right in front of our eyes. The ministry of truth comes in the form, at least on social media, as FakeNews watchdogs. These are entities that are flagging information that threatens corporate and political interests and labels it as fake news when a lot of it, is in fact, the complete opposite. Since when does an authoritative entity like the government have to step in and decide for the people what is real and what is not? Are people not capable of examining sources and determining this for themselves? These fake news watchdogs have some interesting sponsors. One of these sponsors, for example, is NewsGuard. They are funded by Clinton donors and big pharma, with ties to the CFR. You can read more about that entity here.
Companies and government agencies who are threatened by information also seem to be employing an army of bloggers, surrogates, trolls, and bots on Twitter, Facebook, and by email (Robert F. Kennedy Jr.) to try and sway discussion and brainwash people. We here at Collective Evolution have been experiencing them as well.
The world knows why the hunt for Julian Assange was ongoing for so long, its because he leaked secrets and exposed those who keep them. He exposed the lies, corruption and deceit that represents the backbone of the Western military alliance and the American empire. He exposed, in the words of John F. Hylan, former Mayor of New York City, the real menace of Republic, the invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. He exposes the ones who virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. (source)(source)
He exposed immoral and unethical actions that have no basis and justification, he is a hero.
The same thing goes for National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower Edward Snowden, who leaked classified documents regarding the scope of the US governments surveillance programs, which is and was huge. He is and was not the first, William Binney did the same, along with Thomas Drake and many others.

Keep in mind that this is a global mass surveillance program. Snowden recently released a book about it, and more.

In the book, Snowden goes into great detail about how he risked everything to expose the US governments system of mass surveillance. In it, he reveals the story of his life, including how he helped to build that system and what motivated him to try to bring it down.
Mass surveillance, facial recognition, etc, are justified by the national security state for the purposes of combating terrorism, for example. But, what does the connection between terrorist organizations and the US government say about these programs? If the US government itself, or factions of it, are arming these terrorists, creating them, and carrying out false flag events blaming them on terrorism in order to justify infiltration of a country for ulterior motives as well as a heightened the national security state which involves mass surveillance, this means that their justification for these programs is a complete lie. So whats the real reason for them?
This is well known, a few years ago current democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard introduced the stop arming terrorist act, which would stop the U.S. government from using taxpayer dollars to directly or indirectly support groups who are allied with and supporting terrorist groups like ISIS and al Qaeda in their war to overthrow the Syrian government. (source)
As far as false flag terrorist attacks go, many believe the chemical gas attacks in Syria were orchestrated by the western military alliance in order to justify the infiltration of the country. The evidence for this is quite grand. 9/11 is another example many people believe was false flag terrorism.
Protecting National security has now become an umbrella term to justify immoral and unethical actions.
Perhaps Snowdens book sheds light on that. I have yet to read it.
William Binney is a former high ranking intelligence official with the National Security Agency (NSA). Hes had quite the go, starting in 2002 when he let the public know of a system ( trailblazer) intended to analyze data carried on communication networks (like the internet). He exposed the agencies eavesdropping program and has faced harassment from the FBI, NSA and more. He has been in and out of the court room ever since he decided to resign and blow the whistle.
Binney hasnt stopped, one of the highest-level whistleblowers to ever come out of the NSA. He is now saying:
At least 80% of fibre optic cables globally go via the US, this is no accident and allows the US to view all communication coming in. At least 80% of all audio calls, not just metadata, are recorded and stored in the US. The NSA lies about what it stores. The ultimate goal of the NSA is total population control. (source)
The Takeaway
At the end of the day, the US government suing the publisher of Snowdens book is only bringing more attention to the truth of mass censorship and that this global elite is losing power. The more the global elite respond the way they are, with this like the mass censorship of information, alternative independent media outlets being shut down, and jailing people like Julian Assange, the more they hurt their own interests which is inspiring for humanity as we awaken.
#1: Liberator To: Deckard (#0)
Pretty much.
Yet we are gaslighted into the narrative, "BUT...BUT....THIS PROGRAM ONLY CONCERNS 'POTENTIAL TERRORISTS'!"*
*ALL 325+ million Americans.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-21 07:24:22 Reply Private Reply
#2: Gatlin To: Deckard (#0)
Hmmmwent #1 in the world
Hmmm
It surely must be true since it says so on the Internet, but I cant find it.
So, Deckard, please show exactly where this far-reaching and momentously important event in our lifetime that you are calling to our attention actually took place and went #1 In The World:
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-21 08:31:05 Reply Private Reply
#3: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#2)
Edward Snowden an American hero.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-21 08:44:28 Reply Private Reply
#4: A K A Stone To: Deckard (#0)
Uh Freedom of Speech and the press little bitches.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-21 08:45:14 Reply Private Reply
#5: Deckard To: A K A Stone (#4)
They want the proceeds from book sales given to them.
Deckard posted on 2019-09-21 08:46:43 Reply Private Reply
#6: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#3)
Thanks ...
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-21 10:02:13 Reply Private Reply
#7: Gatlin To: Deckard (#5)
Despite the absolute language of the First Amendment, wars, threats of wars, and perceived risks to national security have prompted the government to, at times, restrict freedom of speech and other First Amendment freedoms throughout U.S. history.
Sedition Act is an example of a freedom restriction for the sake of national security
A prime example is the legislation passed only seven years after the adoption of the Bill of Rights, including the First Amendment, in 1791. In 1798 the Federalist Congress, fearful of an impending, full-blown war with France, adopted the Sedition Act, which attempted to stifle any speech that criticized the president, who was conducting an undeclared conflict with France at sea. The Federalist Party justified the Sedition Act as a measure needed to prevent threats to national security from within the country.
Other wars have seen First Amendment restrictions to protect national security interests
During the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus in some parts of the North, especially those that were unstable, and the Confederate government acted in a similar fashion.
World War I saw the adoption of the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918, which led to the first Supreme Court decisions, among them Schenck v. United States (1919) and Abrams v. United States (1919), that punished political dissidents because their speech allegedly presented a clear and present danger to national security and war efforts.
During World War II, the government incarcerated Japanese Americans. That war and the Cold War that followed spurred adoption of the Smith Act (making it illegal to call for the overthrow of the U.S. government), intrusive congressional investigations into personal beliefs and associations, and other efforts to suppress domestic Communism.
The prolonged U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War and its high death toll prompted the eruption of protests nationwide, along with efforts to suppress them. Such issues were rekindled in the aftermath of the al-Qaida attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, and the U.S. responses to those events.
Periodically, the Supreme Court has examined whether the government can restrict speech to further the compelling interests of national security. In doing so, the Court has recognized that national security, as a governmental interest, does justify restrictions on First Amendment rights. In the landmark free press decision Near v. Minnesota (1931), the Court established a general rule against prior restraints on expression. However, the Court did note that the government could shut down a newspaper if it published military secrets: No one would question but that a government might prevent actual obstruction to its recruiting service or the publication of the sailing dates of transports or the number and location of troops.
Nevertheless, the government must provide proof that national security interests really are in playthat is, the government cannot simply use national security as a blank check to sidestep constitutional challenges. In New York Times Co. v. United States (1971), the majority of the Court rejected the governments national security justifications for attempting to prevent the New York Times and the Washington Post from publishing the Pentagon Papers, the top-secret history of the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. In his concurring opinion, Justice Hugo L. Black explained that the word security is a broad, vague generality whose contours should not be invoked to abrogate the fundamental law embodied in the First Amendment.
War on Terror led to debate over the balance of liberty and security The War on Terror that commenced after the September 11 attacks on the United States brought into focus the debate over national security and the proper balance between liberty and security. One controversy arose over certain provisions of the USA Patriot Act, which Congress passed forty-five days after the attacks, especially the widespread use by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) of national security letters (NSLs) under Section 505 of the act.
A national security letter is an administrative subpoena instrument used by the FBI to compel recipients of the letter to comply with requests for various data and records on the person who is the subject of the subpoena. This instrument requires no probable cause or judicial oversight. It also contains a gag order preventing recipients from even acknowledging they have received an NSL. A 2007 Department of Justice audit revealed that in 2005, 47,221 requests applicable to 18,000 people were issued. Similar numbers were posted for 2003 and 2004.
"Secret evidence" is a questionable instrument used by the government in national security cases
Secret evidence is another questionable instrument sometimes favored by the government, especially in immigration cases. In 2003 Sami al-Arian, a tenured professor of computer engineering at the University of South Florida, was arrested, based on secret evidence, for his alleged ties to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The al-Arian case caused an uproar within academia because of its free speech and free association implications as well as his termination from his academic posting.
Despite the credible nature of the charges against him, several prominent academicians came to al-Arians defense, demanding an inquiry and reinstatement. Al-Arian was charged with seventeen separate counts, but as part of a plea agreement, he was convicted on one count of conspiracy and sentenced to nineteen months in jail beyond the fifty seven months already served. Al-Arian admitted that he had raised funds for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
"Outing" intelligence operatives is a controversial national security issue
Yet another national security issue that continues to generate controversy is the published outings of known intelligence operatives. The best-known case is that of career Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operative Philip Agee.
Agee served in Latin America but became disaffected by the CIAs role there. He left the agency in 1968, a self-avowed socialist. In the 1970s, Agee published Inside the Company in which he named over 250 operatives and assets for the CIA in Latin America. In 1974 he announced a campaign against the CIA.
In response to Agees activities, Secretary of State Alexander M. Haig Jr. revoked Agees passport. Agee countered by charging that his right to criticize the government under the First Amendment had been infringed by Secretary Haigs action. In its 7-2 decision in Haig v. Agee (1981), written by Chief Justice Warren E. Burger, the Supreme Court disagreed. Justices William J. Brennan Jr. and Thurgood Marshall dissented.
The Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA) of 1982 was drafted in the wake of the disclosures made in part by Philip Agee and the assassination of CIA Station Chief Richard Welch by the Greek terrorist group 17 November after his identity was revealed in the magazine Counter-Spy. The IIPA has been invoked twice since its passage: in the 1985 case of CIA operative Sharon Scranage, the only person convicted thus far under the IIPA, and most recently in the Valerie Plame affair.
In 2003 newspaper columnist Robert Novak publicly revealed that Valerie Plame, the wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson, a vociferous critic of the George W. Bush administration and the prewar intelligence on Iraq, was a nonofficial cover operative of the CIA. Later, I. Lewis Scooter Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, was indicted by Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald under the IIPA for disclosing Plames name to journalists, who, in turn, disclosed her identity to the American public. On March 6, 2007, Libby was convicted on four counts of perjury and obstruction of justice. However, in the end he was not convicted under the IIPA.
Ultimately, policy makers are responsible for maintaining the delicate balance between the First Amendment and national securitya balance with which society continues to struggle in an age of international terrorism.
https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1134/national-security
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-21 10:12:19 Reply Private Reply
#8: Deckard To: Gatlin (#7)
Deckard posted on 2019-09-21 10:49:30 Reply Private Reply
#9: misterwhite To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#3)
Then the headline should read:
The Very Book The Government Does Not Want You To Read Just Went #2 On Amazon.
misterwhite posted on 2019-09-21 11:44:44 Reply Private Reply
#10: Gatlin To: Deckard (#8)
Why?
And now at the dawn of the Snowden revelations, many wondered and hoped that the U.S. intelligence community would be destroyed. It was not. It has strengthened since the opposite has happened. Despite undoubted intelligence losses, new collection barriers, and diplomatic embarrassments, the community has emerged as a stronger organization despite, indeed because of, Snowden.
Snowden actually helped that agencies. He made them aware of a problem and they scrapped much and they were forced to develop and install new and much better capabilities faster than before and ever planned.
Snowdens influence has in many other ways been limited. For example, there in the rise of smart speaker, exemplified by Amazons Echo. It has left many privacy activists baffled. Why, just a few years after a global scandal involving government surveillance, would people willingly install always-on microphones in their homes?
Proving they really dont give a shit right? With the new-found privacy conundrum prevelant by installing a device that can literally listen to everything youre saying represents a chilling new development in the age of internet-connected things.
We are still learning how Snowden helped the U.S. intelligence community.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-21 12:32:53 Reply Private Reply
#11: Liberator To: misterwhite (#9)
They still don't want the book read and info shared, do they?
Liberator posted on 2019-09-21 12:40:30 Reply Private Reply
#12: Liberator To: Gatlin (#10)
Liberator posted on 2019-09-21 12:41:25 Reply Private Reply
#13: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#3)
Why?
It is said that he provided proof that the government is spying on citizens.
provided poof
If you didnt already know that and needed to be provided proof of such actions then the only proof provided was that you were dumber that a pile of shit.
What some hoped for with Snowdens revelations was that the U.S. intelligence community would be destroyed. It was not. Exactly the opposite has happened - It has strengthened since Edward Snowden became your American hero.
Despite undoubted intelligence losses, new collection barriers, and diplomatic embarrassments, the community has now emerged as a stronger organization discounting yes indeed and because of Snowden.
Snowden actually helped the agencies. He made them aware of a problem and they scrapped much and they were forced to develop and install new and much better capabilities faster than before and ever planned.
We are being spied on better and faster today because of your American hero, Snowden.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-21 12:52:44 Reply Private Reply
#14: Deckard To: Gatlin (#13)
Fixed it.
You seem to love warrantless spying on ALL American citizens.
Obviously you are one of those sheep who constantly bleat "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear".
Those are the words of tyrants and their submissive sycophants.
Deckard posted on 2019-09-21 13:09:21 Reply Private Reply
#15: sneakypete To: A K A Stone (#4)
Freedom of Speech is NOT a universal right. When you have a security clearance you sign documents promising you will never reveal any information you gain due to the access your clearance gives you,and agree to the punishments outlined on the papers you sign.
This applies to Snowden. If you don't want to go to prison,either don't sign the papers and take the job,or stay silent. Snowden signed the papers and then went public,so now he is a whiny little bitch complaining about how "unfair" it is,just like he is some sort of spoiled 9 year old mama's boy.
sneakypete posted on 2019-09-21 13:18:49 Reply Private Reply
#16: sneakypete To: Deckard (#8)
He is a whiney little bitch,
ANYBODY with 2 IQ points to rub together knows the government "spies" on citizens.
You don't think the Feebs didn't spy on recent German immigrants during WW-2? Hell,they put Japanese people who were born as US citizens in internment camps for the duration of the war.
The ygly truth is the end result was they were protected from attack by idiot Americans for "looking like the enemy" during the war. People from Germany weren't put into containment camps because nobody could look at them and tell they were German.
sneakypete posted on 2019-09-21 13:23:41 Reply Private Reply
#17: sneakypete To: Liberator (#11)
So they are cleverly keeping it out of circulation by allowing Amazon to sell it via mail order?
sneakypete posted on 2019-09-21 13:25:06 Reply Private Reply
#18: Gatlin To: Deckard (#14)
Uh
How?
Its saying the same thing with the same end results.
But if you like your version better then I am perfectly okay with it.
You go on to say Nah, I seem to love well, I actually really do love pointing out the errors in the rational and your seemingly fact less postings. You are so closed-minded and extremely agenda-driven. Nope, I am one of those individuals endowed with the ability to use common sense and make good judgments. I can help you to learn those personal traits. No, those are YOUR words posted by YOU.Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-21 13:56:23 Reply Private Reply
#19: Deckard To: sneakypete (#16)
No one really knew the extent until Snowden revealed it.
Deckard posted on 2019-09-21 15:47:52 Reply Private Reply
#20: A K A Stone To: sneakypete (#15)
Since congress shall make NO LAW.......
There is no law.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-21 20:59:24 Reply Private Reply
#21: nolu chan To: A K A Stone, Gatlin, sneakypete, Deckard (#20)
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/united-states-files-civil-lawsuit-against-edward-snowden-publishing-book-violation-cia-and
nolu chan posted on 2019-09-21 22:04:18 Reply Private Reply
#22: Gatlin To: Deckard, sneakypete (#19)
Stop with the bullshit that No one really knew the extent until Snowden revealed it.
Since 2001 it has been common knowledge that the government has engaged in massive, illegal dragnet surveillance of millions of ordinary citizens. There were full blown press reports in late 2005. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has been at the forefront in an attempt to stops it. you can even read the timelines here.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-21 22:45:15 Reply Private Reply
#23: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#22)
It is a fact that no on knew the extent.
The contract can't make him keep things that are illegal secret. Since it requires a search warrant to search someone and they aren't they are in violation.
Real Americans understand that.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-21 23:07:44 Reply Private Reply
#24: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#13)
Snowden exposed corruption. You try your best to cover it up and put blinders on.
Your premise is a false.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-21 23:20:20 Reply Private Reply
#25: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#23)
NOTE The date of Snowdens information release was on June 5, 2013.
The massive, illegal dragnet surveillance of the domestic communications and communications records of millions of ordinary Americans since at least 2001 was first reported by the press and discovered by the public in late 2005. source
NOTE The date of the MASSIVE surveillance was first discovered by the public in late 2005. [Definition of Massive: very large in size].
News reports in December 2005 first revealed that the National Security Agency (NSA) has been intercepting Americans phone calls and Internet communications. Those news reports, combined with a USA Today story in May 2006 and the statements of several members of Congress, revealed that the NSA is also receiving wholesale copies of American's telephone and other communications records. [Definition of Wholesale: Done on a large scale; extensive]. source
Secret government documents, [furnished by Snowden then] published by Guardian and Washington Post in 2013, confirmed CONFIRMED that NSA obtains full copies of everything that is carried along major domestic fiber optic cable networks.
Well Hot Diggity Dog I would perhaps consider becoming one of YOUR real Americans if you will please furnish me with factual evidence of your statement.While I await that, I will continue by stating tjat I simply cannot find information to agree with your statement that it is a fact that no on[e] knew the extent. I find in different articles that everyone knew from press reports about the massive, wholesale, illegal dragnet surveillance since late 2005 and all that Snowden did was to confirm that on June 5, 2013.
I would say that YOUR real Americans knew of the massive, wholesale, illegal dragnet surveillance the simply did not know the amount [extent] of the sophisticated being used.
Snowden did not reveal the extent of WHAT since that was already known he revealed the extent of HOW. And I am fully prepared to discuss with you the biggest actual revelations from Snowdens leaks.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-22 07:32:16 Reply Private Reply
#26: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#23)
Snowden signed non-disclosure agreements [contracts] with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and National Security Agency (NSA) agreeing to keep ALL things there and from there SECRET and yes, it definitely does include anything illegal.
You are right In that they cant MAKE him keep the things that are illegal secret but they sure as hell can take him to court for violating the non- disclosure agreements [contracts] and seek a judgment against him.
Which they are now doing
For on Tuesday, the US Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against Edward Snowden for publishing a book, Permanent Record, in violation of non-disclosure agreements he had with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and National Security Agency (NSA).
I sincerely apologize to you but I do not have any idea what you are saying here and what it is in reference to. If you would like to clarify, then I will be more than happy to respond.Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-22 07:52:55 Reply Private Reply
#27: Tooconservative To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#26)
If you were a real American, you would know better than to even say something like this.
Another nonsense online apology. You state that your "apology" is "sincere" but you immediately gaslight Stone by insisting you have no idea what you are apologizing for. This is a way to deny Stone any agency in his own judgment of the matter and to try to pretend that he can have no rational basis for his opinion (even while you are "sincerely apologizing"). Why would you apologize to anyone unless you are admitting your own error in the matter?
First off, a sincere apology is one that is heartfelt, in which the wrongdoer has understood and confessed that they trampled on someone else's opinions and feelings and that they are resolved never to do that same thing again. Otherwise, apologies are simply empty meaningless words that are only used by psychopaths to manipulate others to do their will or accept their opinions or to persuade someone that their opinion is not a simple matter of right or wrong based on facts but is just one of many possible opinions on a matter that reasonable people might differ on.
So spare us all these self-serving, calculating and manipulative "sincere apologies".
Tooconservative posted on 2019-09-22 08:09:03 Reply Private Reply
#28: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#26)
It is unlawful.
If that is to complicated for you then I cannot help you.
You can believe some lawyer talk to obscure the truth of what the constitution actually says if you like playing games.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-22 08:10:33 Reply Private Reply
#29: A K A Stone To: Tooconservative (#27)
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-22 08:11:48 Reply Private Reply
#30: Tooconservative To: A K A Stone (#29)
Gatlin is gaslighting you with his manipulative so-called "apology". If he isn't wrong about the matter, why should he apologize at all? Why should you accept this condescending "apology" if Gatlin continues to say he doesn't understand why he is "apologizing"?
This business of "I don't know what I'm sorry for but I sincerely apologize for everything" is never a sincere apology in any way. It is a way to placate an impulsive child or a vindictive hysterical woman or a senile person.
Gatlin is humoring you, probing for weakness. That's all his "apology" means. It's the sort of thing a con man makes their living from.
Tooconservative posted on 2019-09-22 08:27:27 Reply Private Reply
#31: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#28)
Let me see how shall I properly express my take on this to you
I will start by saying, Yes they are using a law to prosecute him. But they are not using a law to prohibit his free speech. They are suinging him for breach of contract.
Please permit me to give you an example
Okay. Lets say that you [A K A Stone} want to come to work for me [Gatlin] and before I hire you, I have you sign a written agreement [contact] whereby you formally and legally agree that you will never tell anyone anything about me. But after you sign that agreement [contract] and come to work for me, you learn some things about me that you want to tell everybody about. So you say to me: I am going to tell everyone things about you. And then you proceed to do just that. Well, after you do that I can then sue you for breech of contract and I will not be using a law [to] prohibit free speech.
That, my dear friend, is as clear as I can possibly make it. And that is exactly what is happening between the DOJ and Snowden.
It has nothing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with his freedom of speech.
And I close by wishing a happy Sunday morning to you.
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-22 09:30:17 Reply Private Reply
#32: Liberator To: sneakypete (#15)
EVEN when the gubmint is clearly illegally VIOLATING the 4A ("unreasonable search & seizure")?
To whom is an Oath made? To certain people in a rogue Gubmint? Or on behalf of the US Constitution?
If you don't want to go to prison,either don't sign the papers and take the job,or stay silent.
So. Break the law. Murder people. It's ok cuz, "JUST FOLLOW ORDERS", eh? Worked well in the Reich.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-22 09:58:46 Reply Private Reply
#33: Liberator To: sneakypete (#17)
They apparently haven't much choice in the matter. Unless they openly assassinate him.
It's not as though the reptilian global spy agencies are "cleverly" and secretly wanting Snowden's book published -- is that what you're inferring?
Liberator posted on 2019-09-22 10:01:41 Reply Private Reply
#34: misterwhite To: Liberator (#11)
I have no idea. It does appear, however, that they don't want classified information released.
misterwhite posted on 2019-09-22 11:28:08 Reply Private Reply
#35: Liberator To: misterwhite (#34)
I concur.
But additionally, they also don't like their entire operation exposed as illegal, immoral, dishonest, and abuse of authority and resources.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-22 11:32:42 Reply Private Reply
#36: Liberator To: Gatlin, A K A Stone, Deckard (#31)
Maintaining privacy about personal matters are one thing....
It's when acts and events start adversely affecting others.
Would this mythical case of this written/oral contract (or oath) also necessarily exonerate you from extenuating circumstances -- like committing treason, hurting people, and committing other highly illegal, immoral acts?
By demanding oaths, isn't one justifying a "Code of Honor" among thieves, rogues and scoundrels?
THIS is one reason God has explicitly frowned upon taking oaths to men in Scripture. THEY become authority over God's Law.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-22 11:44:12 Reply Private Reply
#37: misterwhite To: Liberator (#35)
Yep. We never would have known all that without this book.
misterwhite posted on 2019-09-22 11:56:16 Reply Private Reply
#38: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#31)
No matter how you cut it they are using a law to silence him.
No search warrants shall be issued except describing the exact place to be searched and what they are searching for with the permission a a judge.
Well they don't have a warrant to listen to everyone's calls. They were breading the law. Snowden is a brave patriot for exposing the treasonous government.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-22 12:01:01 Reply Private Reply
#39: A K A Stone To: misterwhite (#37)
You are hinting that he said what we already knew.
Well if that is the case then you should shut up we already knew what he said.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-22 12:02:26 Reply Private Reply
#40: Liberator To: misterwhite (#37)
Well to be honest, most people still did NOT believe Snowden's revelations -- given the MSM and goobermint tag-teaming smear of Snowden as a malcontent and rat who "jeopardized America's national security."
THIS BOOK DOCUMENTS an entire operation of what was/is still an illegal, immoral, dishonest polcy and abuse by authority and resources.
Q: Do you believe there is good moral standing, legal standing and reason to surveil every single American's movement and life of every America? And if so, by what Constitutional Law or common sense reason?
Liberator posted on 2019-09-22 12:03:44 Reply Private Reply
#41: A K A Stone To: misterwhite (#34)
Yeah they don't want their confidential crimes exposed. Snowden exposed treason and the people responsible should pay the heaviest price.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-09-22 12:04:24 Reply Private Reply
#42: Liberator To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#38)
Truth.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-22 12:05:39 Reply Private Reply
#43: misterwhite To: A K A Stone (#41)
Where's THAT headline? Let's get those details out there into the public arena. Where are they?
misterwhite posted on 2019-09-22 12:57:12 Reply Private Reply
#44: CZ82 To: Tooconservative (#30)
CZ82 posted on 2019-09-22 13:02:55 Reply Private Reply
#45: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#38)
While hat is true about everyones calls, your old buddy Rand Paul said that the NSA is empowered to spy on Americans communications without a warrant.Huh you say.
Well, it turns out that Rand Paul is absolutely correct.
Lets understand how that is
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-22 20:42:45 Reply Private Reply
#46: sneakypete To: Liberator (#32)
How do you know the government didn't apply for,and get a search warrant?
You don't. There IS such a thing as classified search warrants.
sneakypete posted on 2019-09-22 22:02:12 Reply Private Reply
#47: sneakypete To: Liberator (#33)
No,I am merely stating the obvious. The book and the classified info in it are already in the public domain,and you can't unring a bell.
sneakypete posted on 2019-09-22 22:03:59 Reply Private Reply
#48: sneakypete To: Liberator (#32)
How the HELL are they doing that?
To whom is an Oath made? To certain people in a rogue Gubmint? Or on behalf of the US Constitution?
To the Federal Government,and NOBODY MAKES you take the oath or sign the paper. You are free to walk away if you want.
So. Break the law. Murder people. It's ok cuz, "JUST FOLLOW ORDERS", eh? Worked well in the Reich.
When did you turn into a hysterical drama queen?
One word for you,"Midol".
sneakypete posted on 2019-09-23 01:26:36 Reply Private Reply
#49: sneakypete To: Liberator (#40)
Snowden is NOT a regular citizen whose mail is being read. He is a man that AGREED to not disclose any classified information he would gain access to after ACCEPTING a job that gave him access to classified information that could damage the security of America if it became general knowledge.
sneakypete posted on 2019-09-23 01:31:55 Reply Private Reply
#50: Tooconservative To: sneakypete (#16)
They put a significant number of Germans in America in the same kind of internment camps for the duration of the war. Interestingly, they were kept confined longer than the Japanese were after the war ended in 1945. These were the German American Bund which is a nice name to use instead of American Nazi Party (which was later established as a party in the Fifties).
A total of 11,507 people of German ancestry were interned during the war, comprising 36.1% of the total internments under the US Justice Department's Enemy Alien Control Program.[29] By contrast, an estimated 110,000120,000 Japanese-Americans were forcibly relocated from the West Coast and incarcerated in internment camps run by the US War Department's War Relocation Authority.
None of these internees was ever found guilty of a crime or proven to be a threat to national security.
Those who were released back to their homes were obliged to sign a secrecy agreement regarding the time they spent in the camp. They were under threat of being returned to Germany if they breached the terms of the agreement. Staff who had worked at the camps also had to agree to secrecy. ...
Tooconservative posted on 2019-09-23 10:07:52 Reply Private Reply