The CIA’s Influence Over the Media: Use of the Conspiracy Theorist Slur
“Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th.”—George W. Bush, November 10, 2001
In April of 1967, a CIA official sent a memorandum dispatch to agency chiefs and stations. This memo described a strategy for discrediting critics of the Warren Report, the official account for the assassination of President Kennedy released in 1964. At the time of the memo, polls showed that 46% of Americans did not think that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, in contradiction to the official finding.
To counter such criticisms, the memo proposed labeling critics as “conspiracy theorists” and proposed that the CIA’s “propaganda assets” in media begin to use the slur and other, related techniques to marginalize critics.
Classified as Secret but finally released in 1998, the memo stated, “Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material for countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit circulation of such claims.”
The memo instructed media assets to discredit those questioning government reports by saying the critics should be depicted as “wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, hasty or inaccurate in their research, or infatuated with their own theories.”
Posted by Donna Cleveland on FlickrThe approach laid out by the memo was adopted by many in the American media. That’s not a surprise given that Operation Mockingbird, a domestic propaganda campaign aimed at promoting the views of the CIA within the media, was in full swing at the time. And despite official claims that the CIA’s influence of American media was halted in 1976, after the Church Committee findings, the continued use of the terms “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” indicates that the practice has continued.
A few years ago, I tested this by checking how many times the phrase “conspiracy theory” had appeared in the Washington Post and the New York Times in the 45 years before and after the CIA memo.
Before the memo was issued, “conspiracy theory” was a phrase used 50 times, or about once per year, in the Times or the Post. In the 45 years after the CIA memo, these newspapers used the term 2,630 times, or about once per week.
Before the CIA memo came out, the Washington Post and New York Times had never used the phrase “conspiracy theorist.” After the CIA memo came out, they have used the phrase “conspiracy theorist” 1,118 times.
The continued use of terms such as “conspiracy theorist” suggests that the CIA still controls the mainstream media. With regard to the crimes of 9/11, The New York Times has led the way in terms of support for official propaganda. Moreover, many “alternative” media sources use these slurs as frequently, or more, than mainstream media do.
An example was in August 2011, when I was a guest on National Public Radio’s ‘On Point” talk show to discuss 9/11 skepticism. Interestingly, I was the only 9/11 skeptic invited to appear on this show about 9/11 skeptics. The other two guests were Jim Meigs from Popular Mechanics and dubious “truther expert” Jonathan Kay. During the show, I answered questions from the host for about 5 minutes, until it became clear that my skepticism of 9/11 sounded rational. After I was dismissed—for the remaining 42 minutes of the show—Meigs, Kay, and the substitute host rambled on about the evils of conspiracy theories, using some form of the phrase conspiracy theory a total of 85 times. That’s more than once every 30 seconds.
The use of “conspiracy theory” to deter citizens from investigating historic events is paradoxical, to be sure. It suggests that those who commit criminal conspiracies can only be relatively powerless people who happen to live on the most strategically important lands, (and conspiracies among rich, powerful people are impossible or absurd.) It’s just that kind of doublethink mindset that has led us to where we are today as a nation.
Of course, 9/11 was a conspiracy. The only question is was it a conspiracy of people who could not possibly pull it off and who would only suffer as a result.... OR ... Was it a conspiracy of the people who benefited and had the power to accomplish it? The first option presents many problems. Common sense suggests the latter.
These days, it seems that you can tell who is working for the CIA simply by the way they use “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” in attempts to belittle others. An example might be when a lawyer for gold mining companies was presented by the corporate media as a public servant/truth teller based on stolen documents that were never shared with the public. That lawyer and his colleagues at The Intercept use the conspiracy theorist slur as much as any other media source, and often when they are questioned about their dubious rise to fame.
In any case, our entire legal system is based on the idea of conspiracy....
...Yet despite this fact we have been conditioned by the government and the media to blindly accept official reports and to treat anyone questioning those reports as conspiracy theorists; THAT IS, YOU ARE A CONSPIRACY THEORIST IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT'S CONSPIRACY THEORY.
This technique is easy to see. Next time you read an article that uses these slurs, look more closely at the author (or poster/gatekeeper/troll) and where he or she is trying to lead you.
Poster Comment:
Oh, the rich RICH irony. This same Alinsky "Rules For Radicals" technique that is used by Spooks, Gubmint & G00gle against "CT!!" to shut down legit discussion and truth without question WHILE discrediting their opponent:
"Racist!!", "Anti-semite!!", "H0mophobe!!", "Xenophobe!!"(blank]tard!!), "Truther!!" etc!).
This obvious semantic parlor-trick by a panicky unprincipled elite and its army of uninformed/ignorant gatekeepers are no longer able to dam-up 911 lies OR its a plethora of other ongoing accepted Big Lies.
Perhaps it's time to re-examine and re-assess what and whose side you support....and Big Picture Agenda.
#21: Liberator To: misterwhite (#13)
Lol. Chyeah, right. CIA policy to subvert the truth through MSM propaganda and other American institutions it controls -- along with a hundred related tangents, is "lightweight" stuff? Yet it's TooCartoonitive's usual change of distraction and subject (and formatting of it in a pretty baby-blue box) is what *you* found "interesting."
You're usually fearless on weighing in with your opinion. But if those kinds of shiny keys and soggy white-bread pab stimulate your intellect instead of meat, then it apparently speaks to both of you sharing a similar...er... mind-set.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-16 15:47:24 Reply Private Reply
#22: Liberator To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#15)
Where I disagree is this. Of course a small amount of content and a few accurate facts are contained in this forums articles.... BUT, those few favorable things are mixed with a slanted and bias journalistic styles, designed for a personal AGENDA... just like every article posted on YAHOO NEWS.
The old saying, "Don't toss out the baby with the bathwater" applies here...
I get it, I am guilty of some of the same reactions when merely reading a title of sites or sources with which I suspect a subversive/Left agenda or having a personal axe to grind. Yes -- exactly like Yahoo.
That said, one of the hardest things for us to do is just that; discipline ourselves from rejecting a knee-jerk instinct to immediately discard content because the source may have an over-riding agenda that we don't support and *instead* sift through the truth -- as you said you had. Truth = Truth. There happens to be a lot to unpack in this story because the Spooks have carte blanche to do whatever they want. Including Outlaw Stuff. So what do we do then? Maybe take those morsels of truth and build on them elsewhere. Few people or sources have ALL *the* truth.
There is absolutely NO need to post or spread AGENDA driven propaganda WHEN there are less bias articles, written on the same incident, available.
Are you referring to this one specifically?
IF you are, I disagree whole-heartedly. I have seen very few articles which actually document an ongoing and very real and damning policy by the top of the CIA to seed lies in order to control the spread of truth. You're NOT going to hear about that even from Hannity.
Why wouldn't the official 911 narrative still be suspicious? And why wouldn't the Main Alphabet Agency be Suspect #1? None of the kooky explanations make sense till this day. Not even the "Blue Ribbon Panel" bought the explanations.
Isn't it the most powerful people on earth who simply do what they want? Their "currency" is power. It enables them to wield complete control including control the message. Most crimes have a motive. Some even have multiple motives. Here is just one regarding that day:
An example, was the article Dicktard posted a few days ago regarding an Orange County Deputy that shot himself, while training”. His article had one purpose, to report police in a bad light... and it was empty of any detail or fact. Within seconds I found ten articles that had much more facts and content.
GI, look -- you know, I know, and even Deckard knows our views are sometimes similar, then 180 degrees apart depending on the issue. On most Po-Po articles we don't agree. FWIW...I don't think that particular story is worthy or indicative of most LE at all. It's the exception.
Posting SHIT, will run off, people that don’t wanna be associated with shit.
That's because it's an isolated incident and an anecdotal outlier. It's not about LE policy or an institutional epidemic of incompetence.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-16 16:17:45 Reply Private Reply
#23: Liberator To: GrandIsland (#16)
That's just BS another tangent TC just made up in order to distract you from thinking about the ACTUAL STORY and move you off the spot.
Example:
Onlookers outside a mall pointing to two mushroom clouds exploding on the horizon: "LOOK!! OMG!! WHO DID THIS?!! WHAT SHOULD WE DO??! WHERE SHOULD WE GO??"
TC: "I HOPE OUR RESTAURANT'S EARLY-BIRD SPECIAL OF CHICKEN RISOTTO AND MUSHROOM ISN'T AFFECTED. (*yawn*) OH THE MUSHROOM CLOUD...MEH...IT'S PROBABLY JUST A BAR-B-Q GRILL PROBLEM...WHICH REMINDS ME -- DID YOU HEAR ABOUT BILL O'REILLY's NEW LAWSUIT?...."
Btw -- "KKK"?? "Nazi-types"?? Lol...total and absolute phantom-bullshit story/issue that exists ONLY in the fevered CT minds of MSNBC, CNN, and...TooCartoonative. Here's a legit question that could be asked of TRUMP: "Can you please look into the un-regulated, un-questioned Black Spook Budget for cuts?"
Liberator posted on 2019-09-16 16:30:56 Reply Private Reply
#24: watchman To: Dead Culture Watch (#20)
The photograph is really all I need. The image of Graham/Truman caps off more than thirty years of listening to other Christians telling me that Graham is a mason. Those of us in the local churches have heard this for decades, and ignored it for just as long. The photograph, that ain't no lie. It's black and white.
As for the molestation accusations, those come from Fiona Barnett, who lists Graham as one of her abusers when she was a child.
I would normally take anything like Barnett's claims with a grain of salt. If she were ritualistically abused as a child she would naturally be messed up in her thinking. And, it is just her word against a famous preacher.
However, the final straw for me concerning Billy Graham and his fraudulent ministry...was Franklin Graham's visit to Voodoo Donuts. This was real. Like father, like son. If you are unfamiliar with Voodoo Donuts you can find out more on Barnett's own website.
My goal is not to slime anyone, but simply show Graham (and son) for what he is... a false teacher who deliberately hid his masonic beliefs from us to become the highest leader of the evangelical church. All based on lies.
watchman posted on 2019-09-16 17:00:05 Reply Private Reply
#25: Liberator To: Dead Culture Watch (#18)
That's one perspective.
I won't challenge your *personal* experience with the "brothers" and the purported exoteric image, goals, and benevolence. That is what it is. It's the esoteric that is darker. MUCH darker.
Of those who take it and its "promotions" to higher degrees, the whole Masonic experience changes. The oaths and loyalty is to "The Light." And no, *this* "Light" is NOT God.
Now why......would any evil organization insist to join you need someone to vouch for your character, (they need to before you join.) then, want you to be better men, then, as your commitment to the organization gets rewarded assuming you also have leadership qualities, would you expect those people to become bad?
Few orgs are "evil" right out of the box; Who would join in that case? Trust and secrecy is of utmost importance for orgs with certain philosophies and agendas to mask or hide. Again, the exoteric or apparent-to-the-outside reputation and policy/agenda IS benevolent in most cases. Yup. Adult Boy-Scout stuff. It has to be. Lower-degree Masons are satisfied and even find fulfillment and respect from their accomplishments and good deeds....
But again -- as what happens with most agencies or organization with power (i.e. Military/LE/Feebs & Spooks/Govt/Business/Corporations/Churches/Synagogues//"Societies", the lower & level/grunts do all the heavy lifting, unaware of what's happening higher up the food-chain.
It is the UPPER-ECHELON of control who direct the esoteric, mysterious/hidden agenda. You know this -- the grunts have NO idea what the General Staff, Presidents, Boards, Judiciaries (Yes ESPECIALLY judiciaries) and Czars are doing or planning.
At the higher level of Freemasonry, the action supports what it is: A Mystery Religion whose goal is Ultimate Secret Knowledge; One that worships "The Light." The Sun. Lucifer. Look it up. Test everything yourself. Don't believe me, DCW. (*I* could have an "agenda.")
And please, show me any evidence of any Mason in the last 100 years who’s done any nefarious stuff. Having a secretary embezzle some cash doesn’t count. I’m talking about any truly nefarious shit.
Secretarial embezzlement -- we wish.
Evidence? Up the wazoo out there. I'll submit stuff and links to you IF you really want to go there. Goes waaay back. Much further than just 100 years.
The Masons leaders are just fellas who’ve been chosen by members to be leaders. There is NO other way to get there. This is NOT a recipe for evil, but rather, for good, given who becomes Masons.
Yes, benevolent. At least exoterically speaking, from all appearances. I understand there's an election for leadership. As to possible abetting of nefarious activities or "evil" at any specific Lodge, I can't say. However, the Masonic agenda IS evolving nonetheless. And btw, ever wonder why so many of the rich and their Orgs always have their Foundations and Charities to help people? Some believe...it gives them public cover. Guess what? It does.
If an org or individual gives a million dollars to a Children Hospital, who is gonna really to a forensic exam on their life? Robert Kraft (owner of the NE Patriots football team) took many of his players to Israel over the summer to walk The Holy Land. (Coincidence he did this just after he was busted THEN exonerated for soliciting prostitutes and possibly under-age girls?)
Going back 140 years and finding a group who took the LARP a little too seriously and disappeared a member is not proof of a vast criminal organization bent on creating evil in the world, but rather, an emotional appeal based on pretty much zip.
What's "LARP"?
I argue this all the time on VOAT, and to THAT audience, I always snarkily say it’s a way to say it’s whitey that’s behind all the evil in the world. That causes most there to question their beliefs, which are based on mostly just fantasy anyways.
("VOAT"??)... "Whitey's Fault"; Whole different subject and issue I can weigh in on....
One would think, with all the shit they’re blamed for, there would be some Hillary, or Epstein level proof, instead of what is trotted forth as truth. But nah, it’s very thin.
Remember -- What we see as "News" is controlled by just SIX corporations. Child's Play to control whatever narrative they want...which is exactly why THEY (The PTB cabals and their lackeys) DESPERATELY NEED TO DISCREDIT INTERNET SOURCES AS "CT!!"
Fwiw, my favorite fearless MSM "Truther" is Tucker @ FNC. Lou Dobbs and Judge Jennine occasionally speak truth. But limited of course. Everybody else has yuge NO-GO News Zones or are controlled-oppo to various degrees.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-16 17:18:30 Reply Private Reply
#26: Liberator To: watchman (#24)
Billy was a high-ranking Mason from what I've read.
Graham's son is also badly tainted...sadly. I also can confirm Franklin's Voodoo Donut photo AND his sick tweets.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-16 17:23:12 Reply Private Reply
#27: Liberator To: Dead Culture Watch (#20)
There IS big difference between members who are ignorant or oblivious of an Org's Agenda and acts.
Once one does know what's supported at the top of the food chain, are they obligated morally to back out? Or instead consider themselves so far removed from "the action" while using membership out of making a living or group-friendship and helping others that it's ok? (just asking rhetorically).
For proof of the difference between Grunts and "Brass," look no further than the varied way police depts are run in say Portland and...elsewhere. Same of the GOP. Same of the Court system. Same of the military "leadership", etc.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-16 17:30:09 Reply Private Reply
#28: misterwhite To: Liberator (#21)
Subvert the "truth" about 9/11? And what "truth" might that be?
misterwhite posted on 2019-09-16 17:56:07 Reply Private Reply
#29: Deckard To: misterwhite, Liberator (#28)
Their policy is to subvert the truth about pretty much everything.
(Former) CIA Director William Casey: "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false".
Deckard posted on 2019-09-16 19:00:48 Reply Private Reply
#30: watchman To: Liberator (#26)
Graham and Ruth Bell were married on a Friday the 13th, at a night wedding service...bizarre.
There is something terribly wrong with that visit to the donut shop. The logo on Franklin's donut box states "Good things come in pink boxes"
watchman posted on 2019-09-16 19:36:26 Reply Private Reply
#31: Dead Culture Watch To: watchman (#24)
Ever see the episode of South Park with the underwear gnomes? That’s exactly what your thinking reminds me of.
Step one: steal underwear.
Step two: ?
Step three: profit!
What’s hilarious is you are equating one picture of two men, and a accusation, and using just that to put Masons on top of some ridiculous global conspiracy that is void of anything regarding any actual evidence of.
Your step two is so obvious.
Again, you deliberately avoid any discussion of any point I raise and instead serve up same old tired bullshit of, well, this guy was a Mason, and he did this, ergo, profit!
Am I talking to a wall here? Wasting my time? It’s pretty much the reason I only post a couple posts a year for the last 7 years or so.
If the damn Freemasons were so friggen evil, why don’t you, yes, you, infiltrate and expose this sinister world domination plan? Just become active, learn your lines, make friends, and make it known you want a larger role in organization. It’s NOT the Manhattan project.
Jeez, they’re even running ads for members since their numbers are cratering. What an evil group!
Seriously! But nah, all it ever is, is one person somewhere who was a Mason did something, or, in your case, was merely accused, and for you? That’s enough to flesh out crazytown.
I need to start a crazy group and expose all those evil Episcopalians. Seriously, am sure there is just as much material to work with.
You do realize there have been millions of Masons in this country, right? You’re bound to find a few things some have done that ain’t cool. But, take a good, solid look where that takes you. Ya, I get it, your brain is pozzed with this, and you will never admit this whole pile of shit is what it is.
Pride is funny like that. Most times, all someone has to do to harden someone’s opinion is disagree with them. If they’ve been spouting this nonsense for years, it’s done. It’s like a terminal case. No coming back.
When you can admit to yourself you have no step 2, we can talk. I’ve already given examples of conspiracies that have real legs to them in Hillary, and Epstein.
Wish this place luck, hope that the improvements considered bring new faces. Would be nice for you guys.
Dead Culture Watch posted on 2019-09-16 19:51:53 Reply Private Reply
#32: Dead Culture Watch To: Liberator (#27)
Those guys? They are ALL ELECTED. By other members, first, within their lodges, and then district, etc.
And don’t spout stuff about higher degrees. If you knew it was just about learning more lines in the LARP they put on once a week, you wouldn’t be saying that. It’s easy as hell to get to 32nd degree.
My brother may one day be in charge of the district, he’s very well liked. Why? Well, he was instrumental in starting the lodges yearly ‘pirate degree’ where, the LARP takes on a pirate theme for one night, and also, getting guest speakers that carry a lot of weight within the community of theirs to discuss going back to tradition in the group.
He also spends a lot of time at other lodges, and does a pilgrimage once a year to BFE in the eastern part of this state to the localized convention.
THAT is how one rises to the ‘top’ and becomes the super nefarious puppet master. It’s THE ONLY WAY. They are ALL voted on to get there. And leadership changes constantly.
It seems many just want to ignore their structure, the type of people in the group, what they try and do (become better men and give scholarships and to charities.) and cling to derp.
They are very good men, on the whole, from top to bottom. Not a breeding ground for evil. That is simply a fact.
Dead Culture Watch posted on 2019-09-16 20:08:56 Reply Private Reply
#33: Dead Culture Watch To: All (#32)
I hate coming across as ‘the voice of reason’, because to me, most of ‘those guys’ are full of shit and seek control over others, and dislike others freedom. Why? Probably because they’re miserable, and were not especially familiar or noticed by the fairer sex growing up.
This thread is NOT in my wheelhouse, lol.
Dead Culture Watch posted on 2019-09-16 20:29:58 Reply Private Reply
#34: Tooconservative To: watchman (#24)
I'm not sure why Franklin Graham thought it was just fine to promote a donut shop with a witch-y sounding name that sells a lot of donuts with (allegedly humorous) names like Cock And Balls. Or Triple Chocolate Penetration, etc.
Graham was America's most famous Baptist preacher. His wife was Presbyterian. When the children were born, they were baptized as infants.
I was suspicious of Graham over that, just as I was when he joined the World Council of Churches and wandered around praising the pope as the greatest living evangelist. When Graham was passed leadership of the most conservative fundamentalist group in the country at the beginning of his career, he repudiated the pledges he had made to keep their public profile fundamentalist. This was the beginning of the rise of evangelicalism to eventually crush the fundamentalist churches.
Graham was always a phony. He told quite a few major lies. He promoted himself by palling around with presidents, including the young alcoholic Bush Junior who he "saved" from alcoholism so he could become a good president like his daddy. Graham also planted his own volunteers in the audience of his televised rallies to come forward to be "saved", to make it look like his preaching was effective and that it was worthwhile for donors to continue sending him money to hold more rallies. Graham's preaching was strikingly weak and he had a noteworthy habit of chopping key doctrinal verses in half, leaving off the "bad half" that emphasized human guilt for sin and human responsibility to turn away from their own path of destruction. I called this "verse-chopping" and it characterizes Graham's preaching in my mind.
I do think there is enough evidence and testimony against Graham to believe credibly that he was a 33rd degree Mason. And that he concealed that and lied about it for decades.
I used to consider Graham more respectable than Falwell or Robertson. I've realized think that Falwell, an actual Baptist fundamentalist, was more honest about his positions and politics than Graham ever was. Robertson remains in the tank, another Benny Hinn type.
Tooconservative posted on 2019-09-17 05:35:21 Reply Private Reply
#35: Tooconservative To: Dead Culture Watch (#32)
You mean, elected by other Satanic pedophiles?
Going back to tradition? There is nothing traditional about America and there hasn't been for many years. Tell me, is there anyone under 70 attending these meetings?
I thought the state and national conventions were where the Satanic/Masonic (same thing really) pedophiles worship Satan by sacrificing children to their master, Satan. They lure those children into their hands by offering them Voodoo Donuts™ with sexually suggestive names and shapes. Next thing you know, little Johnny is on an altar with donut crumbs around his mouth with the high priest/33rd degree Mason standing over him with a knife dripping with his blood.
Hush money to silence their surviving victims and pay off local authorities to suppress prosecution of their criminal acts.
Remember, kids, don't accept any donuts from a sleazy old dude with a funny little hat or strange costume.
Tooconservative posted on 2019-09-17 05:46:18 Reply Private Reply
#36: Tooconservative To: watchman, Liberator, Dead Culture Watch (#30)
Membership Totals since 1924
The Masonic Service Association has compiled the following table of totals of Master Masons in the United Sates Grand Lodges for the fiscal years indicated. These figures are based upon M.S.A. records and do not necessarily correspond exactly with those published by other sources.
NOTE: * Indicates lowest point, ** Indicates highest total, ***indicates estimated
U.S. Grand Lodges Membership
Tooconservative posted on 2019-09-17 06:41:43 Reply Private Reply
#37: watchman To: Tooconservative (#34)
Falwell's son is in hot water now.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sex-and-self-dealing-welcome-to-jerry-falwell-jrs-liberty-university-2019-09-09
The thread has certainly wandered off topic. Just to nudge it back a little, the media did play a big role in Graham's popularity.
From wiki...
watchman posted on 2019-09-17 07:38:00 Reply Private Reply
#38: Tooconservative To: watchman (#37)
The rot with Billy Graham didn't start in the Eighties or Nineties. It was there at the very beginning. A lot of fundamentalist Baptists used to complain about Graham and his antics over the years, his claim to be a Baptist preacher (who had baptized his own children as infants), etc.
The warning signs were there all along. And the endless praise for Graham from the libmedia, certainly enemies of Christendom, wasn't exactly an honor for Graham. He was never hated for being a Christian at all. Instead he was praised as the kind of wishy-washy Christian leader who could Judas Goat the rest of the sheep into being submissive and obedient to the State.
Tooconservative posted on 2019-09-17 08:34:27 Reply Private Reply
#39: Liberator To: misterwhite, Deckard, A K A Stone, Gatekeepers, ALL (#28)
Seriously??
Ok. Glad to be of service.
Here is an extremely thorough overview (in only 5 minutes) of the EXTENDED "truth", sloppy deception, and attempted burial of several truths regarding 911 and its aftermath.
If you or anyone else is still taking a "CT!!" position, please do go right ahead and try and refute ANY of this.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-17 11:32:46 Reply Private Reply
#40: Liberator To: All (#39)
Please be reminded of the ORIGINAL genesis of the pejorative terms, "Conspiracy Theorist" OR "Truther." RIGHT FROM THE SOURCE.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-17 11:44:02 Reply Private Reply
#41: Liberator To: Dead Culture Watch (#32)
Facts? Based on what? Who?
As acknowledged, yes, outwardly or exotericaly "good deeds" are presented and even done on an individual basis. And maybe at individual lodges....
Your opinion is your opinion. Same of your definition of truth. Same of your definition of both "good" and "evil." And of course, your opinion is based on the extent of your knowledge on the subject and associations.
The fact remains, the Freemasons stamped their own symbol on the Holy Bible and changed it; adhere to secret rules and secret ritual pledges, take loyalty oaths to and worship "A Higher Power," aka the Light/Lucifer and his "Knowledge." (no, nothing to do Jesus Christ or God. Or truth for that matter.)
Since the late 1770s, the Freemasons have leveraged their influence and control over all matters of society ultimately NOT in the interest of benevolent motives.
Their history and subversive goals go way back. I'm not going to belabor the actual history and knowledge on this org (And you certainly won't check out any links I could provide in any case.)
Liberator posted on 2019-09-17 12:05:29 Reply Private Reply
#42: misterwhite To: Liberator (#39)
So I ask again. What is the supposed "truth" you're trying to claim is being suppressed?
misterwhite posted on 2019-09-17 12:07:17 Reply Private Reply
#43: Liberator To: Tooconservative, Dead Culture Watch (#35)
What kind of person would leap immediately to that kind of bizarre conclusion?
Oh, that's right -- The Forum Gatekeeper with the comically fake moniker of "Too Conservative." Bwaahaa! Still funny.
TooConservative: "Remember, kids, don't accept any donuts from a sleazy old dude with a funny little hat or strange costume."
Hmmm...You sure you haven't a extra window open?
Liberator posted on 2019-09-17 12:16:42 Reply Private Reply
#44: Liberator To: misterwhite (#42)
I one-quarter believe you.
All it does is snarkily question the report. It offer no alternative explanation.
It's 5 MINUTES.. It offers bullet point definitive FACTS. You can't watch 5 minutes and you are about to watch 5 HOURS of detailed explanations?
So I ask again. What is the supposed "truth" you're trying to claim is being suppressed?
Try watching the OTHER 2 1/2 minutes and see if a bolt of lightning strikes a synapse.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-17 12:20:58 Reply Private Reply
#45: Liberator To: Deckard, misterwhite (#29)
Amen, Deckard.
MW -- how did you miss William Casey's own quote?
Liberator posted on 2019-09-17 12:48:24 Reply Private Reply
#46: Liberator To: TooConservative, Deckard, A K A Stone (#45)
Well well...
Your President is a "CT!!!"
(Have you your butterfly net out for Trump? Or will simply declaring him a "danger" and "terrorist" suffice?)
Liberator posted on 2019-09-17 12:53:54 Reply Private Reply
#47: Dead Culture Watch To: Liberator (#41)
Don’t you have anything from the last 40 years at least? With as much evidence there is against a whole shit load of people. I still, see no evidence of the stuff you take on faith. (Talk about a religion, sheesh!)
Dead Culture Watch posted on 2019-09-17 13:40:41 Reply Private Reply
#48: Dead Culture Watch To: All (#47)
We all know the evidence against George Soros for what it is that you are EXACTLY accusing the Freemasons of doing.
There are LOTS of money transfers to horrible groups that can be traced directly back to him. Show me one, just friggen one, instance like this with Masons.
Can’t find that? Damn, they’re either piss poor evildoers of George Soros completely overlooked the cunning way they do this.
But honestly, I don’t expect anyone to consider any of the things I’ve posted in this thread. It’s way too easy to tune out any such questions if they don’t comport to a belief hardwired in the brain. We used to call that being an NPC. It’s just programming from a non trad source. (Which is why many believe it.)
I still haven’t had anyone address the structure in any meaningful way, so, I expect this question to be ignored as well. That which doesn’t fit the narrative is to be dismissed or not talked about at all. Instead, bring up with scary music in the background, something, anything from decades ago.
Do powerful people conspire in private to increase power and wealth at the expense of the masses? Certainly. Do they need the structure of the Freemasons to do that? Hell no, in fact, that would be stupid, and that, they are not.
Dead Culture Watch posted on 2019-09-17 16:06:49 Reply Private Reply
#49: misterwhite To: Liberator (#45)
Apparently a lot of people did, huh? Or they don't believe he said it.
misterwhite posted on 2019-09-17 16:38:48 Reply Private Reply
#50: Tooconservative To: Liberator (#46)
Nah. He's just yanking the chains of people like you, the real CTs.
Tooconservative posted on 2019-09-17 19:28:10 Reply Private Reply
#51: misterwhite To: Liberator (#44)
Done. And it's exactly the same as the first 2 1/2 minutes -- a snarky summary of the events of 9/11 expecting us all to nod our heads and say, "Yeah, that couldn't have happened".
Problem is, the video presents ZERO evidence of it happening any other way. A complete waste of time.
misterwhite posted on 2019-09-18 11:40:32 Reply Private Reply
#52: Liberator To: misterwhite (#51)
IS it possible your mind hasn't been hard-wired to reject ANY and EVERY notion of doubt? Just saying.
Well... thanks for watching anyway.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-18 11:50:28 Reply Private Reply
#53: Liberator To: Tooconservative (#50)
Who is yanking WHO'S chain here? lol...
There are none so blind who refuse to see (or hear.)
Trump is OBVIOUSLY not yanking any chain with respect to describing the construction of WTC.
HE KNOWS.
WE KNOW.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-18 11:53:35 Reply Private Reply
#54: Deckard To: misterwhite, Liberator (#49)
Originally Answered: Did William Casey (CIA Director) really say, "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."?
The meeting was in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House, not far from the Cabinet Room. I was present at the meeting as Assistant to the chief domestic policy adviser to the President. Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the 'intelligence' that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based on open public sources like newspapers and magazines.
As he did to all the other secretaries of their departments and agencies, Reagan asked what he saw as his goal as director for the CIA, to which he replied with this quote, which I recorded in my notes of the meeting as he said it.
Shortly thereafter I told Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who was a close friend and colleague, who in turn made it public. Barbara Honegger bshonegg@gmail.com
Deckard posted on 2019-09-18 11:56:12 Reply Private Reply
#55: Liberator To: Dead Culture Watch (#47)
Come on, man. It's a 5-minute overview that does some quick dot-connecting on the history and genesis of Freemasonry and worship of its cult and "god." NOT a documentary.
(and again, those at and near the top of the Masonic priesthood are the ones who YOU should investigate. The grunts at lower levels have NO idea what's going on. All *I* can do is shine a tiny light on it.)
I still, see no evidence of the stuff you take on faith. (Talk about a religion, sheesh!)
Whole different issue. I realize and accept that you're locked into your own faith of non-faith, so I won't go there.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-18 12:00:22 Reply Private Reply
#56: misterwhite To: Deckard (#54)
I mean it's a pretty significant statement, no? Especially considering the source.
misterwhite posted on 2019-09-18 12:19:54 Reply Private Reply
#57: Liberator To: Dead Culture Watch (#48)
Really??
The Freemasons have officially been driving to the hoop as an organization for control of people and gubmint for abut 250 years. Under the radar (sorta.)
Soros and his orgs are a relative wisp of smoke, acting on behalf of the LARGER cabal of Elites. IN THE OPEN. No comparison.
There are LOTS of money transfers to horrible groups that can be traced directly back to him. Show me one, just friggen one, instance like this with Masons.
Can’t find that?
They run their organizations much differently. Apples and Watermelons. AND to much different long-range & personal goals.
Honestly, I don’t expect anyone to consider any of the things I’ve posted in this thread. It’s way too easy to tune out any such questions if they don’t comport to a belief hardwired in the brain.
Irony right there. *I* believe YOU believe you've figured it all out and laid out your supposed case.
"Money Transfers"?? You believe THAT is a primary factor of comparing Masons vs. Soros agenda? Not even in the same universe. Soros isn't close to the high degree of control of people, politics, courts, business and organizations by Masons in the US.
I still haven’t had anyone address the structure in any meaningful way...
I haven't the time or motivation to post stuff you'll merely dismiss or not watch/read. And admit it; you're not interested in digging deeper than your pre-conceived notion of "Masons" other than at the benevolence achieved at the LOCAL local level -- which again is MUCH different than the agenda at the TOP of the food-chain. And expressly DESIGNED that way. It's actually ingenious.
Do powerful people conspire in private to increase power and wealth at the expense of the masses? Certainly. Do they need the structure of the Freemasons to do that? Hell no, in fact, that would be stupid, and that, they are not.
Not only "power and wealth" -- nearly EVERY org aspires for that.
All I can say is...research it yourself.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-18 12:22:16 Reply Private Reply
#58: misterwhite To: Liberator (#52)
Big difference between "I doubt it happened that way" and "It didn't happen that way".
Moot point. In either case my response is, "OK. Fine. I can accept your doubt. But WHY do you doubt it and how DID it happen?"
No response. People like you simply slink away and refuse to answer.
misterwhite posted on 2019-09-18 12:27:00 Reply Private Reply
#59: Liberator To: misterwhite, Deckard (#56)
Aren't you forgetting about the unholy marriage between the MSM and CIA?
Liberator posted on 2019-09-18 12:30:47 Reply Private Reply
#60: Liberator To: misterwhite (#58)
Come on, MW...
Over the years theories on the WHYS and HOWS have been posted to death.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-18 12:32:47 Reply Private Reply
#61: Liberator To: misterwhite, Deckard (#58)
You can't be serious.
Ok, I'll bite...
Be specific -- on which questions regarding 911 would you like answered?
Liberator posted on 2019-09-18 12:35:57 Reply Private Reply
#62: misterwhite To: Liberator (#61)
I'll make it easy plus give you your choice.
A) If a fire didn't bring down WTC 7, what did and what is your evidence?
-- or --
B) If a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon, what did and what is your evidence?
misterwhite posted on 2019-09-18 15:27:57 Reply Private Reply
#63: Dead Culture Watch To: Liberator (#57)
The Masons at ‘the top’ are voted there. You fail, repeatedly, to grasp that. It’s truly amazing. There is no super secret squirrel level of masonry. And, you fail to provide a single iota of proof of anything sinister in last 50 years.
Love ya man, but this thread isn’t a good look on you.
Dead Culture Watch posted on 2019-09-19 00:50:00 Reply Private Reply
#64: Dead Culture Watch To: Liberator (#61)
These retarded vids/stories have been on the interwebs for as long as it’s been a thing. And, I read, a lot.
Dead Culture Watch posted on 2019-09-19 00:54:35 Reply Private Reply
#65: Gatlin To: Dead Culture Watch (#64)
Such an astute observation shows a most perceptive insight of your understanding about how – rather watching goofy videos and spouting off what they others say - nice it would be to simply apply “critical thinking” to the thought process. This does not come naturally to some people, but fortunately, it’s something an individual can train himself to do.
Regrettably, there will always remain among us, those who because of the high volume of information that carry so many varied opinions every day – it will always be really easy for them to remain afflicted with their cognitive bias. They are forever destined to continually get lost in the formative details that are being subtly channeled into their minds and taking complete control over their though process.
Sad – so very sad …
Salute,
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2019-09-19 04:46:05 Reply Private Reply
#66: Liberator To: misterwhite (#62)
Too easy. How about Larry Silverstein's own words?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk
"Fire"?? How can you be sure it wasn't purposely set as cover for...THE CONTROLLED DEMO??
Same pre-controlled demo as both towers. The "planes" were designed as cover as well. But I digress...
Building 7 EVIDENCE (just a few bullet points):
1) Collapsed in its own footprint (yes, oddly, just like the two towers. A building MUST be pre-wired for such precision, taking far more time than a few hours.)
2) Corroborative testimony of people warned to get out of Building 7 (prior to the pulling of the building.)
3) A reporter announced on LIVE AIR that the building had collapsed. BEFORE IT ACTUALLY COLLAPSED. (Yes, even I watched this report in real time, live.)
B) If a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon, what did and what is your evidence?
The evidence from both perspectives of argument of exactly what hit the Pentagram is circumstantial.
Your side cannot possibly cite any "evidence" that a 757 was actually what hit this building; Nor that a noob-pilot from Saudi Arabia expertly guided such an aircraft at near-ground level into the Pentagram (a direct hit into the General Accounting office, coincidently just a day after Rumsfeld public revelation of a missing $2 TRILLION.)
As circumstantial evidence from the other side, there is absolutely ZERO video OR scientific, OR forensic evidence that ANY "plane" hit the Pentagram. Given ZERO video despite countless security cameras.
I'm also going to discount the smattering of so-called "witnesses" (who happen to be gubmint employees) from afar who claim they "saw a plane."
There isn't ONE shred of evidence to support the physics that such a large plane created such a small hole in the Pentagram. (a few lame props strewn around weren't convincing.)
A mountain video and other documentation is out there, but why bother? If yu seek the truth you'll find it. Regarding the truth, this is yet another case of cognitive dissonance and, "We [blindly] accept the reality of the world with which we are presented."
Liberator posted on 2019-09-19 08:45:32 Reply Private Reply
#67: Deckard To: Liberator (#66)
It amazes me that those who roundly criticize the MSM for lying unquestioningly believe they are telling the truth about paradigm-shifting events like this and others.
Deckard posted on 2019-09-19 08:57:34 Reply Private Reply
#68: Liberator To: Dead Culture Watch (#63)
Uh, ok.
Love ya man, but this thread isn’t a good look on you.
Same bro. Love you too. But in your case the adage, "we accept the reality of the world with which we are presented" also applies.
If you seek the truth you'll find it.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-19 09:01:16 Reply Private Reply
#69: Liberator To: Deckard (#67)
Yup. Exactamundo. They want it BOTH ways.
Letting any Goob "official report" and a pathologically lying MSM create their reality and truth makes no sense these days.
That's called, "cognitive dissonance."
Liberator posted on 2019-09-19 09:04:51 Reply Private Reply
#70: Liberator To: Dead Culture Watch (#64)
Ok, I'll challenge you on this; That "something" is WHAT? Freemasonry?
Watching goofy videos with scary music talking about people who’ve been dead for hundreds of years doesn’t address a single thing about those questions and facts you just ignore.
What "questions and facts" have I ignored? I'll try and accommodate you.
If that video were part of a meal at the Olive Garden, it'd be "The Breadsticks."
These retarded vids/stories have been on the interwebs for as long as it’s been a thing. And, I read, a lot.
With all due respect, if you're not looking into a certain area of knowledge to investigate it, you won't find it.
Moreover, as quickly as many new (revealing) content hits youtube on a number of issues, it's taken down. Additionally, G00gle/Alphabet-Controlled algorithms are controlled and manipulated to bury such material as they deem "dangerous"...yeah, like "CTs" -- the thrust of this thread to begin with.
Liberator posted on 2019-09-19 09:14:14 Reply Private Reply