President Bush continues to read "My Pet Goat" to a class of primary school children.

Yeah but it is a classic of American literature.

This is simply yet another Deckard-posted author-conceived fantasy work created in fictional prose.

What exactly is "fantasy" in this article?

You two seem to have an agenda that isn't rooted on the truth. Or maybe you really do need to get your heads out of your asses. Love Stone.

Jet fuel never ever melts steel even if burning for months and months.

Neither of us said it "melts" steel. It will soften it, though, to the point where the steel cannot support the load.

Did you watch the video? Four minutes was all it took.

Why after all the bombings in Britain during WW2, did so many high rises survive as burnt out skeletons?

They were built differently and they were much shorter (<300').

You and mister white should get your heads out of your assholes. Jet fuel never ever melts steel even if burning for months and months.
You two seem to have an agenda that isn't rooted on the truth. Or maybe you really do need to get your heads out of your asses. Love Stone.

No where have I ever posted that “Jet fuel melts steel.”
Have I?
I will answer my own question – No, I have never.

Jet fuel never ever melts steel even if burning for months and months.

Those with no understanding of metallurgical phase change think it's just that simple, it seems.

this video where burning jet fuel weakens steel

The welder also weakened the h-e-double hockey sticks out of that steel in multiple places when he welded ACROSS THE TOP of the I-beam @ 2:44 into the video.

Big no-no...the welder should have known.

Neither of us said it "melts" steel. It will soften it, though

Perhaps it softens brains too?

This tells me that the people making this video weren't serious about conducting a test...it was more like a (over) dramatization.

This is why architects and engineers are needed. Maybe the folks making this video should have invited the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth to help them get things right.

I think we should not assume that the welds were proper or that the beams themselves were free of the kinds of impurities that could have contributed to the collapse. NYC has a lot of regulation and inspections for a reason: a lot of people in the construction business will cut every corner they can and use inferior materials.

And such practices may go completely unnoticed for many decades. Buildings like the WTC complex are so over-engineered that they were intended to withstand the impact of a jetliner.

But only if the materials were at their full load rating (proper steel beams) and assembled correctly by expert welders.

They certainly were in a big hurry to clean all that debris out of the WTC site and get it buried. And no one ever sampled those beams and truss elements in the wreckage to see if they were all up to snuff with building codes.

Despite its building codes and onerous inspections process, you can still find public works and buildings in NYC with concrete so adulterated that it is just a powdery substance you can punch a fist through it, softer than limestone. But it somehow passes inspections.

So it is worth considering that all this stuff about "jet fuel doesn't melt steel" is complete nonsense if the steel was impure or defective.

You and mister white should get your heads out of your assholes. Jet fuel never ever melts steel even if burning for months and months.

Here’s (below) an interesting picture of what was called “the Shanghai Jiaozhou Road Fire,” a fire on 15 November 2010 that destroyed a 28-story high-rise apartment building in the city of Shanghai China, killing at least 58 people and injured more than 70. When I say destroyed, the building stood and the integrity of the steel remained

The deadliest “skyscraper” (used loosely) fire ever in history was the famous Triangle Shirt Waist Factory, which I wrote about intimately in one of my 70+ books. a total of 146 people were killed in a senseless fire. Escape exits were locked.

In spites of almost 100 “skyscraper” fires, many raging infernos lasting hours and days obliterating everything but the steel superstructure, no building has ever fallen from fire with the exceptions of New York City Ground Zero towers 1, 2 and building 7 on September eleventh, 2001.

The Tamweel fire in Dubai in November sent flames though many floors, causing extensive damage -- but the building did not fall

A high-rise building catches fire in a major city. All of its occupants are evacuated as fire crews arrive to put out the blaze. After a few hours, the flames spread across dozens of floors … and in the end, the building remains standing. That was the story in 2012 in Dubai, the most populous city in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), as the Tamweel Building was added to the long list of skyscrapers that have withstood major fires. This stark contrast to the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7, the only steel framed skyscrapers in history, whose… complete collapses have been officially blamed on fire, is causing more people to question the official 9/11 story.

President Bush continues to read "My Pet Goat" to a class of primary school children. Yeah but it is a classic of American literature.

The fictional Sherlock Holmes solved the crime in "Silver Blaze" by deducing it was the owner of the house who was the criminal. How did he know? Because the dog did not bark. The only person who could have committed the crime without arousing the dog was someone the dog knew as a friend; the dog's owner.

Inspector Gregory: "Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"

Holmes: "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."

"The dog did nothing in the night time"

"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.

From "The Adventure of Silver Blaze" by Arthur Conan Doyle

Now let us turn our Sherlockian logic on 9-11.

Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory no-one could have known how many planes had been hijacked. In one of the numerous strange coincidences that occurred on 9-11, there was an ongoing NORAD drill simulating 30 aircraft hijacked by terrorists. Air Traffic Controllers did not know which targets were genuine hijacked planes and which were the simulations.Two genuine hijacked planes had crashed into the World Trade Center, Bush was at a publicized photo opportunity at Booker Elementary School, and there is an airport only four miles from this School.

The Sarasota Herald Tribune announced Bush's visit to Booker Elementary on September 8th, giving the 9-11 planners three days to include Bush as a target for a diving jetliner. Nobody could have safely assumed he was not a target.

1913: Congress authorized permanent [Secret Service] protection of the President and the statutory authorization for President-elect protection.

The Booker Elementary video shows the Secret Service did not rush in to remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack with many unknowns. They don't do anything else.

But the Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

Bush defenders try to explain Bush's inaction as his not wanting to upset the children. Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11" suggests Bush's inaction was due to his not being told to leave. But Michael Moore fails to follow that line of reasoning through to its logical conclusion; where were the people whose job it is to get the President to a place of safety in event of attack, the people who would have, SHOULD have, pulled Bush out of there, children and public appearances be damned!

Take a look back at how quickly the Secret Service moved when John Hinckley Jr. tried to assassinate President Reagan.

And now, Bush at Booker Elementary. White House aid Andy Carter informs Bush that the second plane has crashed into the second tower at the one minute mark. At that point, according to statements made by the government, everyone knows this is a terror attack. Where is the Secret Service protective detail? They should be in that video, grabbing the President and getting him to safety.

At Booker Elementary School on 9-11, the Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

If the events of 9-11 were truly a surprise to the United States Government then there is no way the Secret Service could have known there wasn't a hijacked or stolen plane heading towards Booker Elementary School that very second.

The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

The Secret Service should be in that video, but they are not. It is clear from their inaction that they KNEW FOR A FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT A TARGET THAT DAY. And the only way they could know that is that the Secret Service and the White House knew ahead of time what the targets were for the 9-11 aircraft!

The dog did not bark because the criminal was its master.

Quod Erat Demonstradum, the Bush administration was part of the 9-11 plot.

No where have I ever posted that “Jet fuel melts steel.” Have I? I will answer my own question – No, I have never.

Then explain this geezer.

The deadliest “skyscraper” (used loosely) fire ever in history was the famous Triangle Shirt Waist Factory, which I wrote about intimately in one of my 70+ books. a total of 146 people were killed in a senseless fire. Escape exits were locked.

You've written 70+ books and still have time to post full-time at little old LF?

Take a look back at how quickly the Secret Service moved when John Hinckley Jr. tried to assassinate President Reagan.

Bush was in an elementary school with all the exits covered by his SS detail. That is not comparable to having someone actively shooting at a president at close range.

Trying to make such an argument is why no one takes you seriously. These two things are not remotely comparable to any adult.

The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

The SS is a protection detail. They are not privy to national security secrets and status reports. Once they were alerted to unfolding terrorism (by the second plane striking WTC), they did evacuate Bush quickly and he was flown per the longstanding evacuation plan to the old SAC base in Omaha to receive a full briefing. His destination would have been elsewhere if a nuclear weapon had been used but Omaha was the right choice for the unfolding 9/11 situation. And all that was dictated by national security policy regarding the CIC, not by the Secret Service. You seem to have no grasp of how these various agencies work together and who is calling the shots in a given situation.

For all its recent problems with drinking, drugs, whoring, crashing cars drunkenly into the WH gates, the SS is just a pack of guard dogs, not a part of the national security establishment. After all, the SS is still responsible for catching all counterfeiters in addition to its more widely known job of protecting top politicians and protecting foreign ambassadors and embassies in D.C.

Seen correctly, the Secret Service was the original national police agency, the permanent peacetime predecessor of the FBI and the CIA.

Tidbit: the bill from Congress to create the Secret Service, primarily to combat widespread counterfeiting, was on Lincoln's desk for his signature the night he was shot by John Wilkes Booth. Maybe Lincoln should have stayed home to do his work and sign that bill instead of gallivanting off to the Ford's Theater with the missus (who was a whacked-out bitch anyway).

A review of of Etienne Sauret’s documentary “Collateral Damage” describes firemen recalling “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.” (Lumenick, Lou, “Unflinching Look Among the Ruins,” New York Post, March 3, 2004.)

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“They showed us many fascinating slides” he continued, “ranging from molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared and bent in the disaster.”
– Dr. Keith Eaton at http://web.archive.org/web/20030422113455/http://www.istructe.org.uk/about/files/president/Tour-2002-NewYork.pdf

“Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.” – Guy Lounsbury of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing at http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_200112/ai_n9015802#continue

“He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow — molten metal dripping from a beam — but found no signs of life.” – Lee Turner of The Boone County Firefighters at http://www.usnews.com/usnews/9_11/articles/911memories.htm

“Richard Garlock, a structural engineer for LERA said ‘Going below, it was smoky and really hot… The debris past the columns was red-hot, molten, running.’
– http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/engineering/engineering_debris_06.html

The steel was so hot from the jet fuel that, uh, it was literally steaming. Your boots would melt in certain areas. That’s how hot it was. The steel was coming out red in certain areas for the first couple weeks, at least.

– Michael Casale, Project Supt., Mazzocchi Wrecking in Modern Marvels Demolition segment on WTC Ground Zero

“Vance Deisingnore, OSHA Officer at WTC, reported the following to Jim McKay, Post-Gazette Staff Writer, on September 11, 2002 ‘a fire truck 10 feet below the ground that was still burning two weeks after the Tower collapsed, its metal so hot that it looked like a vat of molten steel.'”
– http://web.archive.org/web/20030521104203/http://www.thenewliberator.com/wethepeople.htm

“‘The [NYFD] people who called us had been killed,’ Atlas considered as she surveyed the tons and acres of wreckage. ‘Nobody’s going to be alive.’ Fires burned and molten steel flowed in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet.” – “K-9/11: Tracking the Rescuers’ Trauma,” Summer 2002, on Sarah Atlas of New Jersey’s Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue – http://www.sas.upenn.edu/sasalum/newsltr/summer2002/k911.html

is causing more people to question the official 9/11 story.

Yeah, because we know the collapse was caused by … what? A UFO death ray? An invisible Godzilla? A great disturbance in the Force?

In the Shanghai Jiaozhou Road Fire, what was the temperature of fire and for how long did it burn?

Was that fire the result of a fully-fueled 757 flying into it at 500 mph, destroying multiple supporting beams?

What would happen if you put another 100 stories on top of that burning building?