The second photo is, "Woe is me. They charged me with murder".

NAILED it!

There is no such thing as accepting personal responsibility with some people. I have no doubt his ONLY thought is "How could this happen to ME?",with no thought or concern at all for the little girl.

BTW,I know a BUNCH of people who own multiple pit bulls,and their dogs are not and never have been a threat to anyone acting normally. I do NOT recommend you start beating on one of their children when any of the dogs are around,but other than that you are good. Very nice,very friendly dogs.

It is the OWNERS that train these dogs to be aggressive.

I did stop going to the theaters around the time that cellphones got popular but I've noticed that I really start to devalue any public event with people interacting with their smartphone or their phones are making tweety noises or anything else.

I stopped going to movies back when Eddie Murphy was still making funny movies. I went to see the last one he made,and being mostly deaf,was having a hard time understanding what the actors were saying on the screen,due to all the homies in the audience giving "shout outs" to each other and talking to the actors.

One was sitting directly in front of me and kept shouting out profound thoughts like "NO,DON'T,YOU STUPID BITCH!" so in a calm and polite manner (truthfully),I tapped him on the shoulder and explained to him that I am hard of hearing and have a hard time understanding what is going on when he talks to the actors and his friends,so could he please (yes,I DID say "please") stop doing that.

His reply was "Bleep YOU,honkie Bleeper!"

By the time it occurred to me that I had him in a choke hold he was already unconscious,so I let him go to finish his nap/possible dirt nap in his seat and pondered what to do. Given that I am white and most of the movie goers were black,including all the homies he had been shouting out to while the lights were still on,I saw this as a no-win situation. Especially since all I had with me was my 5 shot 44 Special "go to town gun" with no reloads.

So I got up and left before the movie was even halfway over. I checked the obits in the paper for several days as well as watched the news,and there were no reports of any dead thugs being found in the theater,so I guess homie survived.

I can only assume he will have a little less "mouf" on him in the future unless he is with a dozen or so of his "bruthas".

The only exception I have made since then was going to see the sci-fi movie several years ago by Ridley Scott that featured 7 foot tall hot alien women (blue?) that lived in trees. Even then I went to a movie in a section of the city that is mostly white where thugs would be evicted if you complained. Which really wasn't a problem because most blacks seem to have no interest in Sci-Fi. Probably not enough car chases and bitches for them.

Can't remember the name now,but IIRC,Signore Weaver was the only "name star". EXCELLENT movie even though the plot was a lame "evil capitalists raping a planet populated by peaceful natives" theme. I am looking forward to the sequel. When it does come out,I will once again pick a theater in a white area. I just don't have enough patience to play with fools and I don't like losing control like I did in the other movie. Another minute or two,and that goober would have been graveyard dead. We were both lucky.

I enjoyed the remorse.

There was no remorse,only self-pity. The only thought in his head at that time was most likely "WHY did this happen to ME?" If the DA had refused to file charges,he would be home laughing about it because he got away with something.

One was sitting directly in front of me and kept shouting out profound thoughts like "NO,DON'T,YOU STUPID BITCH!" so in a calm and polite manner (truthfully),I tapped him on the shoulder and explained to him that I am hard of hearing and have a hard time understanding what is going on when he talks to the actors and his friends,so could he please (yes,I DID say "please") stop doing that.

I've seen that stuff, especially in big city theaters. Not nearly so much in small town theaters. I wouldn't even try to go to a theater in the city any more, wouldn't even consider it.

His reply was "Bleep YOU,honkie Bleeper!" By the time it occurred to me that I had him in a choke hold he was already unconscious,so I let him go to finish his nap/possible dirt nap in his seat and pondered what to do.

You da man! I'd probably just walk out, complain to the manager about their lack of control over rowdy customers and demand my money back and make a public spectacle of it until I got the refund.

Given that I am white and most of the movie goers were black,including all the homies he had been shouting out to while the lights were still on,I saw this as a no-win situation. Especially since all I had with me was my 5 shot 44 Special "go to town gun" with no reloads.

You were virtually unarmed!     : )

So I got up and left before the movie was even halfway over.

Smart move.

The only exception I have made since then was going to see the sci-fi movie several years ago by Ridley Scott that featured 7 foot tall hot alien women (blue?) that lived in trees. Even then I went to a movie in a section of the city that is mostly white where thugs would be evicted if you complained. Which really wasn't a problem because most blacks seem to have no interest in Sci-Fi. Probably not enough car chases and bitches for them.

I saw the Blu-ray at home. It was good, not up to the hype for it. Sort of a special effects milestone like Terminator 2 was.

The bad news is that Ridley Scott is planning and moving toward at least FOUR sequels to it. Sort of an Avatar Cinematic Universe thing, like the Marvel Cinematic Universe wasn't bad enough.

Can't remember the name now,but IIRC,Signore Weaver was the only "name star". EXCELLENT movie even though the plot was a lame "evil capitalists raping a planet populated by peaceful natives" theme.

Don't worry, the White Planet Rapers will be back, again and again. I keep thinking there's no way to get that much mileage out of something with such limited themes and scope. Not enough for four sequels. Two, maybe.

There was no remorse,only self-pity. The only thought in his head at that time was most likely "WHY did this happen to ME?"

You're probably closer to the mark than me.

I got kind of sick of dogs running loose in the neighborhood a few years ago. I've gotten a hardened attitude toward dogs as a result. I just don't like them or want them near me any more. On balance, they aren't worth it. Of course, I do now a few people who have very winsome, very polite and affectionate dogs. No one could dislike those dogs. But they are very much the exception.

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The bad news is that Ridley Scott is planning and moving toward at least FOUR sequels to it.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. It has already been years since the first one was shown,and there hasn't even been any scripts presented for a new one. Chances are Scot is going to living in one of the Actors Homes for Fools long before he makes another one.

IF another one is made,I hope the plot revolves around more than the stale old "the environment is being raped by greedy capitalists once again!" bullbush. Loved the movie,hated the lame-ass plot. Or maybe more correctly,the "plod" because I don't think that ever rose to the level of being an actual "plot".

I got kind of sick of dogs running loose in the neighborhood a few years ago. I've gotten a hardened attitude toward dogs as a result. I just don't like them or want them near me any more. On balance, they aren't worth it. Of course, I do now a few people who have very winsome, very polite and affectionate dogs. No one could dislike those dogs. But they are very much the exception.

You need to upgrade the class of your friends/acquaintances. I honestly don't know anyone that has out of control dogs.

The truth is that if the dogs are viscous,so are the owners,so why bother with them? When I meet someone like that I just let them know that leaving me alone is key to their future survival,and that if I EVER catch them beating on their dogs to make them mean,I will beat on them to see how they like it.

Mankind should strive to be half as noble as dogs are.

She had extensive reconstructive surgery but still has visible scars from it as an adult. That was entirely preventable. You prevent it by shooting the dog before it hurts children. Then you get a nice friendly dog, like a golden Lab. Or a little dog that can't actually do that much harm to a person, even a child.

BTW,I once lived with the best damn dog that was ever born,a BIG adult female Doberman that followed my 7 lb female cat home one day. When I opened the door to let the cat in,the Doberman came in too,crawled up in a chair,and laid down to take a nap. The cat jumped up in the chair to nap with her,so I wasn't all that worried. Biggest worry was she might be half as mean as the cat.

Didn't turn out that way. Someone had obviously abandoned her as he was an adult who had puppies in the past,and she had no collar or ID.

Nicest damn dog you have ever seen,as long as there were no children around and you didn't try to threaten the children in ANY respect,or didn't try to threaten me.Either was a BIG time Bozo No-No.

Other than that,she was a real sweetheart that loved to drink beer and eat hotdogs. I tried giving her some white whiskey once,but quickly figured out that was bad idea and never did it again.

People used to call me up and invited me to parties,but the truth is they were invited the Dobie because they always said "Make sure you bring Natasha."

The ONLY time I ever saw her go onto alert around strangers where when some fool was acting in a threatening manner towards me,or when someone left a baby laying around at a party. The instant she spotted a baby,she would run over to sit down beside it and snarl at anybody that got close. Which pretty much agreed with my philosophy of life that states "ANYONE who purposely harms a baby needs to have their asses chewed up and spit out",so I never tried to alter that behavior.

The day she died was the saddest day of my life. I miss her so much I can't own another dog because I couldn't stand the loss again.

It was dogs like her that were responsible for the creation of the saying "If you want to live a just life,TRY to be the man your dog THINKS you are." No truer words have ever been spoken.

BTW,I THINK I read that somewhere,but it's possible I came up with it on my own. I couldn't agree with it any more regardless of who first thought it.

Mankind should strive to be half as noble as dogs are.

You know that's just not true. It's just bilge spouted by dog-lovers.

Remember that little Fifi will eat your corpse if you die and no one discovers you and provides other food for Fifi. And some dogs that have been well-treated will chew off and swallow human parts for no good reason at all. Dogs also will make wanton killings of livestock and wildlife.

So let's not start with all the dog worship cultish bullcrap.

BTW, do you own any dogs?

But they were not human beings.

I have known a few people who get overly attached to animals, sometimes to the point that they end up without human companionship. I was always careful not to elevate an animal to the status of a human being. This isn't India where we let people starve because we worship the docile qualities of cattle so much that we won't slaughter a cow to feed starving people.

I don't mean to sound cold but I never equate an animal with human beings and I never will. Primitive societies have done that sort of thing and it is always an error. Animals are animals and, whatever their attributes, are never the equal of a human being.

Remember that little Fifi will eat your corpse if you die and no one discovers you and provides other food for Fifi.

So will you,Bubba.

AFATG,so will your best friends,family,and neighbors if they happen to be locked away with you and your corpse is their only food source. Even if they have to make it a corpse.

BTW, do you own any dogs?

Not anymore. Can't stand to lose another one. I have cats now,and they will also eat my corpse after a few days of going hungry if they have nothing else to eat.

And I hope they do,if necessary. Not like it's going to hurt me.

I had an outstanding dog and a horse and a cat. They had great attributes as animals and companions and could do some astonishing things.

But they were not human beings.

Lucky you!

I don't mean to sound cold but I never equate an animal with human beings and I never will.

You have my sympathy if you think that is a good thing.

A few months later, it killed his two children. No one knew why. The dog was destroyed. The family was destroyed.

No animal is worth more than a person. We may love an individual dog more than we love any person we know but that does not make the dog worth more than a human.

People personify animals they adore. But those feelings we have for them do not make them into a person.

I think this would be apparent to more people if they didn't have cute features and pretty fur. A dog without the fur would never be as loved. And dogs are so much prettier now than they were 50 years ago. They have more appealing features that make them appear to have more personality. They are the same animals, just much prettier therefore we endow them emotionally with more human qualities. There are scientific studies about this.

A (relatively) local man had a mean dog. The cops came out after it scared a delivery guy very badly, tried to get him to confine it. He refused, told them to go away.

A few months later, it killed his two children. No one knew why.

Good thing people never do anything like that,huh?

I don't think they merit being considered equal to people but I know that they are not better than people.

People give excess loyalty to dogs because dogs are so loyal to them because they see them as the alpha male of the dog pack, the dominant male that their lives revolve around. It is more appealing emotionally than most people realize. But dogs are, essentially, psychopaths. They can't have a conscience because they can't possess a real sense of what we call right and wrong; they have no actual remorse or shame but they are good at faking it, just as they are programmed by instinct to go belly-up to show submission to an alpha male or alpha female in a dog pack. They inherit this behavior from their wolf ancestors. They are good at pretending remorse if their alpha male is angry at them. Again, we read into their display a genuine human-like remorse. It is we who project these human characteristics onto them, qualities they cannot possibly possess.

Dogs are the finest companion animals because they are so well-suited to humans in so many ways. But they are still just animals and can never be more.

But they are still just animals and can never be more.

MOST people are nothing but animals. True,Dim voters and Antifa people are vegetables,but vegetable that started as human animals.

MOST people are nothing but animals.

I don't think you really mean that.

I just don't like them or want them near me any more. On balance, they aren't worth it.

Having grown up with bird dogs and enjoying all the great hunting with my dad...I now feel the same way.

In 2010, all four of my immediate family got bitten/attacked by dogs.

I got tagged first by a German short hair, while chatting with the owner. The dog ripped my fore arm in a split second and was gone. Owner didn't seem to notice even though I was dripping blood like Josey Wales in that last scene.

Shortly there after, my wife was jogging along our country road when she got her hand torn up by a mixed breed crap hound. We had to call animal control to get the owner to show proof rabies shots.

Next was my son, about 12 at the time. A tail-wagging yellow lab entered the area, came straight to my kid and bit his kneecap (to blood). Again, happened in a flash, no provocation.

Finally, my 10 year old daughter was rescued by a quick thinking neighbor who pulled her from the jaws of vicious dog that was new to our community (owned by welfare folks who moved into a mobile home up the road a piece). The neighbor and my daughter were absolutely terror stricken.

Another neighbor of ours now has six dogs, maybe more. He's gone all the time, but keeps the dogs in those plastic kennels, stacked two high and three wide against a wall. I can hear those dogs barking inside his house from a quarter mile away. I'm waiting for one of those pent up critters to get loose and come after one of my calves...

The problem I see is that people are using dogs to fill some emotional void in their lives. But they aren't taking care of them and the dogs end up hurting, or simply annoying everybody nearby.

In 2010, all four of my immediate family got bitten/attacked by dogs.

Woh! That's kind of amazing. Who would expect something like that in four separate incidents in just a year, just statistically? But then, in a country of 350M people, stuff does happen.

What's sad is that people don't feel they can trust dogs at all after things like that happen. Kids that get bit or even threatened by a dog just don't want to be around them after that. Some people even get a PTSD thing from a dog attack (or animal attack).

BTW, have you ever read the stats on cow attacks? Yep, every year some people get killed. And it isn't just bulls or steers attacking either.

Fact: Cattle kill more people every year than sharks do.

Gizmodo: Cows Are Deadlier Than You Ever Knew

And you know they get a little nuts about taking their calves.

The problem I see is that people are using dogs to fill some emotional void in their lives. But they aren't taking care of them and the dogs end up hurting, or simply annoying everybody nearby.

So many dogs in the city sit in little kennels in the backyard or an empty house 95% of the time. I've seen some that are supposed to be hunting dogs and they only take them out of the backyard cage kennel a few times a year to go hunting with. And sometimes you see these dogs on a rope in a backyard or in a little kennel, no interaction with anything 99% of the time and it reminds you of a hobby that people have lost interest in. Yeah, they feed and water them and that's about it. They can't seem to get rid of them but they won't give them the time needed to give them a real life. Just like raising kids, you have to give them your time and interaction, not just feed them and hope for the best.

I don't think you really mean that.

Of course I mean that. If I didn't,I would be an idiot.

If you are not an animal,what are you,a rock?

Next was my son, about 12 at the time. A tail-wagging yellow lab entered the area, came straight to my kid and bit his kneecap (to blood). Again, happened in a flash, no provocation.

Are you SURE it was unprovoked,or are you just taking your son's word for it? I have never heard of a yellow lab or any other lab making unprovoked attacks on anyone.

People DO have a natural tendency to selectively see or not see things connected to their kids. I once watched the only son of a cousin reach over and pinch the nuts of his sleeping pet dachshund,and when the dog yipped and snapped at him,he started crying and then smiled while his idiot father started to beat the hell out of the dog. I stopped him and told him it was his son's fault for pinching the dogs nuts while he was sleeping,and he didn't believe me. Even then IF he had looked at his sons eyes he could have seen the glee in them,but he just wouldn't look because he KNEW in his heart his son was perfect in every way.

SOB grew up to be a sneak thief,a coward,and a bully.

If you are not an animal,what are you,a rock?

Yeah, I'm a human being. And I am not an animal by definition.

I'm not going to get into some semantic wordplay argument over whether "animals are people too". Or the obverse, "people are animals too".

Humans are humans and animals are animals. By law and custom. That is the basic reality of it and has been for thousands of years since we domesticated the first species for our benefit.

So many dogs in the city sit in little kennels in the backyard or an empty house 95% of the time. I've seen some that are supposed to be hunting dogs and they only take them out of the backyard cage kennel a few times a year to go hunting with. And sometimes you see these dogs on a rope in a backyard or in a little kennel, no interaction with anything 99% of the time and it reminds you of a hobby that people have lost interest in. Yeah, they feed and water them and that's about it. They can't seem to get rid of them but they won't give them the time needed to give them a real life. Just like raising kids, you have to give them your time and interaction, not just feed them and hope for the best.

Exactly,but the truth is these same people would tie their kids out in the yard and ignore them if they could get away with it because they care nothing about nobody or no one but themselves.

Yeah, I'm a human being.

Which makes you,by definition,an animal.

Humans are humans and animals are animals. By law and custom. That is the basic reality of it and has been for thousands of years since we domesticated the first species for our benefit.

People used to believe all sorts of stupid shit,and it seems many still do.

And you know they get a little nuts about taking their calves.

That video was hysterical!

And perfect timing, too.

I have just now come in from halter training a six month old heifer calf. Her mother was in the pasture with us the whole time (I normally keep them separated).

But it wasn't the cow giving me that treatment...it was the calf! At around 200 pounds she was putting her head into me just about like that dude was getting from that mama cow. I'll be "stove up" for a week!

What are those cows? Look like Angus/Jersey/Holstein cross. I have a buddy who has a pair of black Jerseys. Don't ask me how they got to be that color...but they make a ton of milk.

Yes, that was a freaky year for dog bites. No lasting trauma but we do shy away from dogs and dislike them in general.

I have never heard of a yellow lab or any other lab making unprovoked attacks on anyone.

The yellow lab is one the most gregarious and friendly dogs, I think. But out of hundreds of millions of them, well, sooner or later you might find one that snaps at a kid for something rather petty. Maybe the kid keeps stepping on its paws when walking by, or steps on its tail a few too many times, or pokes it in the eye or face or pokes around inside its ears or something. I think sometimes a dog does just put up with minor irritants for a while but they do finally get fed up with being treated like a piece of furniture or like a plush toy by some smelly toddler.

Just because a dog is an animal doesn't mean it can't get annoyed, sometimes for a reason.

I think there are dogs who just don't like kids because they have had a bad experience with them. These are the dogs that don't want to play with kids or who get up and walk off to a distance if kids are nearby. They make it clear they don't like interacting with kids by their behavior. Yet they are friendly enough with adults who the dog expects to have more polite behavior.

That video was hysterical! And perfect timing, too. I have just now come in from halter training a six month old heifer calf. Her mother was in the pasture with us the whole time (I normally keep them separated).

You're brave unless mama was a tame trusting cow.

But it wasn't the cow giving me that treatment...it was the calf! At around 200 pounds she was putting her head into me just about like that dude was getting from that mama cow. I'll be "stove up" for a week!

Just keep your legs together. You've seen how calves can butt mama to get her to let the last of her milk in her udder down into her teats. Those calves know how to butt. LOL

Yes, that was a freaky year for dog bites. No lasting trauma but we do shy away from dogs and dislike them in general.

Kind of a shame for your kids to end up dog-shy because of it. A lot of kids get bit or just real scared and they're nervous around dogs the rest of their lives, even tiny little harmless dogs that could barely nibble your ankles.

Just because a dog is an animal doesn't mean it can't get annoyed, sometimes for a reason.

The exact opposite is true. Animals have feelings and egos,and everybody and everything with a pulse has a limit to how much crap they will put up with without drawing a line. I am sure Mother Theresa would try to scratch your eyes out if you pushed her too far.

One of the most profound questions I have ever heard asked is "WHY is common sense so uncommon?"

Are you SURE it was unprovoked

Yeah, Pete, it was totally unprovoked.

We were all in a horse barn, standing together, visiting the woman who owns the barn when a man and his kids came in followed by the lab. The dog went straight to my kid and latched onto his knee. Shocked everybody! We were all watching the dog, of course, and it seemed so surreal. I don't even think the dog knew why it decided to bite...it wasn't even angry or alarmed...it just bit!

Like I told TC, it was a freaky year for dog biting.

I know what you're saying, though, about kids being mean to animals. And I also know that humans can act like animals, even worse, much worse.

Kind of a shame for your kids to end up dog-shy because of it.

True,they are really missing out.

A lot of kids get bit or just real scared and they're nervous around dogs the rest of their lives, even tiny little harmless dogs that could barely nibble your ankles.

Not so true. It is the tiny little dogs that are the quickest to bite and it is BECAUSE they are so little. Even a small child can break their bones or even kill them by accident and the dogs know this. It's one of the things that makes so many tiny dogs so unstable. They ARE dogs,and they instinctively KNOW they are supposed to love humans,yet they also instinctively know they can be crippled or killed by accident by even the smallest human.

It's also one reason very small dogs make the best guard dogs for your house. They get excited/scared over anything unusual,and will start yipping and raising alarms while all a big dog will do is walk to the door or window and cock his head in curiosity,and MAYBE quietly snarl a little. My dobie used to do this after looking at me to see if I knew there was someone at the door,and decided I wasn't paying enough attention. If I was looking at the door,she would just sit in front of it and wait to see what happened. Coming in without me opening the door and telling her it was ok was NOT a good idea.

BTW,one of the oddest and funny things I have ever seen was that full-grown big dobie trying to babysit the cats kittens while the cat was outside. Her teeth were too big to pick them up by the nape of their necks to bring them into the living room where I was,so she would put the whole kitten in her mouth with the head sticking out,and then trot into the living room and gently drop them into the floor one by one and then go back and get another. Once she had them all,she would lay on her side and use her paws to draw them towards her nipples so they could feed. Never mind she had no milk or that they were probably too big for the kittens mouths,she was trying.

It was really funny to watch her try to play with them once they got their eyes open and were moving around. A kitten would jump up and grab her by the kneecap,and she would fall over just like she was tackled,and then try to slap box with them. The problem was her paws were so big she would send them spinning.

I didn't even worry about locking the apartment when I left while the kittens were still there. If you came in,you would still be there when I got home. She was VERY protective of those kittens,

Exactly,but the truth is these same people would tie their kids out in the yard and ignore them if they could get away with it because they care nothing about nobody or no one but themselves.

Maybe. You do see people tether toddlers when they're wandering around a mall. It's been some years since I've seen it but some people still do. More often, I now notice the toddlers up to 6yo riding the sides of the shopping carts at Walmart, like some little gang of possums handing off mama's belly. And the poor mom is pushing the cart along like it's the Bataan death march. Man, it takes a lot of patience to parent kids well and not just flip out completely now and then.

Now sneakypete will be cooking up a reply to say that if people aren't animals, how can you put a toddler on a leash...

I always recall how at about age 4 I was standing on a street corner with my 3 siblings and mom and we were crossing the street and I thought it was time to cross. I had had very little experience in crossing streets. I started to step out and my mom grabbed me out of the path of a big truck that missed me by only a few inches. So I get why these parents want that leash on their toddler. The little people just get some idea in their heads and do something impulsive.

You're brave unless mama was a tame trusting cow.

Kind of a shame for your kids to end up dog-shy because of it.

Mama cow made some runs at me but stopped just short of contact. She was disturbed to see her calf lunging at the end of a rope. We got it all straightened out, the calf settled down eventually. I turned them loose together and let them run the length of the field several times. It was a sight to see!

My kids are tough. My wife is even tougher! She has been hinting that she'd like to get a dog but I told her she'd have to wait until I'm dead. She's considering it...

Not so true. It is the tiny little dogs that are the quickest to bite and it is BECAUSE they are so little.

I meant that his kids might be dog-shy even as adults.

I don't see little dogs biting adults ever. But they do bite kids for the reasons you state.

It was really funny to watch her try to play with them once they got their eyes open and were moving around. A kitten would jump up and grab her by the kneecap,and she would fall over just like she was tackled,and then try to slap box with them. The problem was her paws were so big she would send them spinning.

It is because dogs have become so adapted to us. A dog can adopt and be very emotionally attached to children or to kittens or a number of human-friendly species. An old mama dog can feel very protective toward calves in the family's herd, just like she is toward the kids in the family or to a cat in the family.

Cats can also adopt somewhat but just aren't capable of doing as much for, say, a puppy.

I think it is also rarer for a dog to adopt another's puppy or a cat another's kitten. The smell and other stuff makes it less likely. So I would be less surprised that your mama dog would adopt those kittens than I would be if she adopted another dog's pups.

Cats and dogs are able to adopt because they are so domesticated and so much more socialized toward pack behavior that centers around humans, especially dogs who have been in human company for a few thousand years longer than cats have.

Mama cow made some runs at me but stopped just short of contact. She was disturbed to see her calf lunging at the end of a rope.

Well, yada-yada-yada, been there, done that, probably ain't worth more words. I think you know what I mean. Cows!

My wife is even tougher! She has been hinting that she'd like to get a dog but I told her she'd have to wait until I'm dead.

You have arguments to make. The smell of a canine can trip the trigger of cows because they are instinctive about considering a dog to be the same as a coyote or a wolf. Cows do get more hostile around canine species, just the smell alone can make cows more stressed out and antsy. Your cows will be, at least at first, more dangerous because dogs are around than if the cattle were just dealing with you, their alpha male, the human they know, the one they tolerate or even like. Or both at various times. The smell of dogs can make cattle more likely to charge you or to engage in kicking behaviors or to do the heads-together-in-a-circle herd defensive move. Cattle evolved that technique to protect themselves and their calves from wolf pack attacks so they can kick outward at the wolves trying to approach. It's actually a bit like how they used pikemen in medieval battles. An interesting behavior for an animal species to develop. Yet, it seems instinctive, not a learned herd behavior being passed down as part of cow culture in the herd from generation to generation. Instinct vs. learned behaviors is always an facet of animal husbandry that is fascinating.

Cows! [If you know what I mean, I don't need to say more. LOL]

If your wife insists on a dog, start out easy, like with a pup and let the cows get used to the dog's smell so they know that is your dog and that he belongs there and isn't a threat like a wild dog or wolf.

Cows! [If you know what I mean, I don't need to say more. LOL]

I appreciate that you understand cows (way more than I do!). Not many can say that anymore.

Back in the Depression lot's of folks had cows, dairy and otherwise. People don't have that today. Imagine if we had another Great Depression scenario...

I appreciate that you understand cows (way more than I do!).

You just need more time in the salt mines of the cattle industry. When your knowledge of cows extends over decades instead of years, nothing surprises you any more. Look at some of the old cattlemen and dairymen that you know. They could tell you a lot of cow stories. But sooner or later, just saying "Cows!" or "Damned cows!" is shorthand.

I like those old guys. They've seen it all over the course of a lifetime. Nothing surprises them.

Like I told TC, it was a freaky year for dog biting.

Sometimes animals can be triggered by smell or sound or they can be antsy because of violent weather patterns or other stuff.

I always tell myself that there was a reason if only I knew enough about how the animal perceived what was happening to it. A socialized dog doesn't just run up and bite for no reason. In the dog's head, at that moment, it all made perfect sense to him to bite.

Now sneakypete will be cooking up a reply to say that if people aren't animals, how can you put a toddler on a leash...

Everything in the known universe is either animal,vegetable,or mineral.

Pick one and I will take your word for it unless you are a Dim or a RINO,and don't pick "vegetable".

When we say the word 'animal', exactly 0% of the population thinks we are referring to human beings.

I think it is also rarer for a dog to adopt another's puppy or a cat another's kitten.

Female cats are VERY social,and commonly feed each others kittens in the wild. Mama cats have to hunt and eat too,so they are always babysitting for each other.

It's tomcats that cause the trouble. They sometimes want to kill the kittens so the mothers go into heat again. One reason mama cats hang together in the wild.

There ain't no creature I can think of that works harder or needs more patience than a female cat with a litter of kittens.

Sometimes animals can be triggered by smell or sound or they can be antsy because of violent weather patterns or other stuff.

I don't think there is any question that pretty much every animal species that exists can tell bad weather is coming LONG before humans have an inkling.

In fact,it is a wise human in the wild that pays attention to the way the wildlife is acting. When you see them all running for cover,it's probably a good idea for you to follow them.

When we say the word 'animal', exactly 0% of the population thinks we are referring to human beings.

I am NOT responsible for what the ignorant "feel".

I don't think there is any question that pretty much every animal species that exists can tell bad weather is coming LONG before humans have an inkling.

I didn't mention earthquakes but those too. I think they alert sooner to wildfires but we notice this mostly because humans have some of the lousiest noses on earth. I think the animals catch the faint hints of smoke on the wind far sooner than we do.

I think they alert sooner to wildfires but we notice this mostly because humans have some of the lousiest noses on earth.

I agree,but there just ain't no explaining the earthquake sensing thing.

There is also no denying it as VERY real.

Like I wrote earlier,when you see the wildlife starting to panic,YOU need to start panicking,too.

I am NOT responsible for what the ignorant "feel".

I don't believe you routinely refer to yourself as an animal. I think you refer to yourself and think of yourself as a man, an adult human being.

I know the point you're arguing but that is an intellectual and philosophical construct.

Deep down, regardless of what you say, you know you are a man, a human being. And you know that you are not an animal, a very limited class of beings.

I don't believe you routinely refer to yourself as an animal.

I routinely refer to myself as a man. Lately as a old man.

If asked to be more specific,I say I am a human. If asked to be even more specific,I say that humans are an animal species.

Not that any of this makes any difference at all. Things are what they are,regardless of how we wish they might be.

If asked to be even more specific,I say that humans are an animal species.

I'm not sure just how many times you've been waterboarded in an interrogation on this topic to the point where you finally confess you're an animal.     : )

It's all good though. You win. I'm not that invested in the argument. And we shouldn't work so hard on Labor Day weekend.

Maybe you can tell us how that little tractor has worked out for you this year. It was an interesting purchase and you shopped hard for it.

Maybe you can tell us how that little tractor has worked out for you this year. It was an interesting purchase and you shopped hard for it.

I THINK I am going to love it,but I got sick again right after I bought it,and all I have done with it is make payments.

I am now officially in remission since last week,and am starting to feel a little better after losing 50 lbs of water weight. The chemo is starting to wear off to the point I can remember my name now most of the time.

I am really hoping to use the new tractor to mow the fields around my house for a fire break before spring starts to pop and buttholes start setting fires. I bought a 48 inch cut rough mower to pull behind it,and with the 4 wheel drive it should do well.

It would really be nice if I could pick up a couple of fields to mow next spring for a little money to help make the payments. I had to spend a LOT of money to buy it,but I didn't see me as having any other options after not being able to find anybody else willing to cut the grass around me.

I used to cut that crap with a swing blade when I was in my 30's. By the time I was in my 50's I was having to cut it with a small 50's tractor and a bushhog. Then something happened and it started being flooded more often than not,and the small 2wd tractor was getting stuck,so I had to go with a riding mower and a string weed whacker. Yeah,the riding mower would get stuck too,but was MUCH easier to get out than an actual tractor. I could just pick up the rear of it and move it out of the hole it had dug,and then it would be easy to either drive away or hook a chain to it and pull it further out of the hole.

So far the only time I have used my new 4X4 tractor was to pull a engine and trans out of a 37 Dodge truck to sell to a guy in Texas that was restoring a 37 Dodge farm truck and needed a engine and trans. Got 350 + 150 for crating for the engine and trans,and ran into the side of my new truck and got a 500 dollar dent in the side of the bed.

My old tractor had shuttle shift,and I let the salesmen talk me into buying a constant drive system (forget what they call it now,but it has a forward pedal in the floor,and a reverse pedal right beside it). I was going in from the side to load the engine and trans,and the tractor started rolling forward when it got close to the truck,so I stomped on the "brake pedal" to stop it,but it was no longer the brake pedal. In the new tractor it was the "forward pedal".

Still a little steamed about that one.

Still,I have enjoyed parking it near where I was working on something in the yard this summer,and being able to jump into the cab and turn the AC on to cool down without having to go to the house,and the bucket was always handy for carrying tools and other stuff around.

I am HOPING to be feeling good enough to hook it up to the rough mower and start hitting the 8 foot high grass before the end of November. If I do get it stuck,I can probably pull it out using my big 2 wheel drive tractor and a lot of chains.

Tried using the big tractor with the bush hog a few years ago,and got about 30 feet out of the yard and it bottomed out. Both wheels were spinning clear and not touching anything.

I have a 37 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 truck with a modified 390 Ford engine in it and big tires,so when a guy I knew happened to stop by,I got him to get in the big tractor (right at 10,000 lbs) to steer it and put it in reverse when I snatched it out of the hole. I then hooked a logging chain to the big tractor and the 37 Dodge and snatched it right out of that hole! I'm not going to say how fast I was going when the logging chain came tight,but it felt like the 37 came right up off the ground when it did. I did pull the big tractor out,though.

I sure don't want to do that again,though. The new tractor only weighs about 3,000 lbs. I will probably start testing it by just driving it around out where I want to cut without the mower being hooked to it. Easier to hook chains to it to pull it out if I don't have to unhook the mower and then have to try to pull it out. If worse comes to worse there is a guy up the road that has a big 4x4 tractor with 4 mud tires on the rear and 4 more up front that I can get to come and pull it out for me,but that's not the kind of thing I can make a habit out of asking for.