Theres an interesting discussion happening over at the Grassroots Motorsports forum right now, and presumably at many other places off-line. Its about laws in Sacramento County stating, essentially, that almost any auto repair you do on your property is illegal. Of course, this is deeply troubling to almost everyone reading right now.
Similar laws do exist in other counties and states, of course, but since theres been some conversation recently around the Sacramento County laws, we may as well start there. The laws in question have to do with Sacramentos Zoning Code, the website for which has an explanation of the codes related to auto repair.
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The code states that conducting minor vehicle repair or minor automotive repair is legal at a residence, and defines minor automotive repair as:
Brake part replacement
Minor tune-ups
Change of oil and filter
Repair of flat tires
Lubrication
Other similar operations
(See section 5.2.0.B of the Zoning Code)
OK, that seems fairly reasonable so far. That is, until you get to this section of the explanatory website:
2. Is Minor Vehicle Repair Permitted at Residences?
Yes. However, it is unlawful for any person to engage in, or permit others to engage in, minor vehicle repair or maintenance in any agricultural, agricultural-residential, residential, interim estate and interim residential zones under any of the following circumstances:
1. Using tools not normally found in a residence;
2. Conducted on vehicles registered to persons, not currently residing on the lot or parcel;
3. Conducted outside a fully enclosed garage and resulting in any vehicle being inoperable for a period in excess of twenty-four hours.
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Here we have some issues. How exactly do you define tools not normally found in a residence? A socket set? A torque wrench? A brake drum puller? This feels like a rule thats dangerously open to interpretation with pretty minimal supporting evidence.
Number two is clearly there to prevent people from running off-the-books repair shops, but what if youre working on a friends car? And number three means you cant do anything unless you have an actual garage, and whatever youre doing you better get it all wrapped up inside of one day, which, as most of us whove dealt with one stubborn, time-sucking, hard-to-reach bolt know, is not always possible.
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Of course, Major Automotive Repair, that is, anything not explicitly defined under Minor Automotive Repair, is not legal anywhere on your own property, even if youre doing it in the sanctity of your own closed garage.
One commenter on the Grassroots Motorsports forum reported that hed already been issued a $430 fine for working on his car in his garage:
nimblemotorsports said:
umm, I have not been left alone, they levied a $430 fine yesterday. You can request a hearing to review the code enforcement decision, that costs $700 to complain.
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These rules arent from some fussy HOA, its an entire county. As to why the county is so against home automotive repair and work, they state this reason:
5. Why is Code Enforcement Concerned About Residential Automotive Repair?
The chemicals involved in major automobile repair can pollute our neighborhoods and endanger the health and wellbeing of our residents. Furthermore, this kind of activity increases vehicle traffic and the visual impact can negatively impact property values.
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It seems like codes governing the safe handling of chemicals and materials can be enforced without making all auto repair illegal, and its hardly like every repair involves harmful chemicals. In fact, the most common harmful chemical is likely used motor oil, and thats one of the permitted residential repairs.
Besides, lawn and garden care have plenty of very harmful chemicals associated with themweed killers, pesticides, poisons for all manner of animals and insectsand nobodys trying to outlaw home gardening.
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Im not even sure its fair to say home repair increases vehicle traffic any more than, say, a neighborhood barbecue would.
Sure, if your lawn is full of junked cars and youre running an illegal lube shop out of your backyard, those are real issues. But residents with project cars they work on? Theres no good reason that should be illegal.
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For people with vintage or unusual cars, there often is no other option than to be able to do at least some of your own repairs, and laws that make that illegal are effectively making vast amounts of the entire car-owning-as-an-interest or hobby illegal, and who the hell wants that?
Terrible people, thats who. Sad, tedious people who wont rest until the world is slathered in boring grayscale crossovers. Thats not a world I want to live in, and thats why these laws need scrutiny and pushback. Knowing about them is the first step.
#1: A K A Stone To: Deckard (#0)
These regulations are bullshit and i'm sure you agree.
A K A Stone posted on 2019-07-10 09:05:48 Reply Private Reply
#2: misterwhite To: A K A Stone (#1)
I don't. If you can't fix your car in 24 hours, take it to a shop. I don't want to look at your junk heap up on blocks in the driveway forever.
misterwhite posted on 2019-07-10 09:19:51 Reply Private Reply
#3: Deckard To: misterwhite (#2)
I'm gobsmacked! What a shock!
For people with vintage or unusual cars, there often is no other option than to be able to do at least some of your own repairs, and laws that make that illegal are effectively making vast amounts of the entire car-owning-as-an-interest or hobby illegal, and who the hell wants that?
Terrible people, thats who. Sad, tedious people who wont rest until the world is slathered in boring grayscale crossovers. Thats not a world I want to live in, and thats why these laws need scrutiny and pushback. Knowing about them is the first step.
Yeah - that pretty much sums up paulsen's rampant statism.
Deckard posted on 2019-07-10 09:28:09 Reply Private Reply
#4: misterwhite To: Deckard (#3)
The Sacramento ordinance allows for that.
misterwhite posted on 2019-07-10 10:16:32 Reply Private Reply
#5: A K A Stone To: misterwhite (#2)
A K A Stone posted on 2019-07-10 10:57:41 Reply Private Reply
#6: A K A Stone To: misterwhite (#2)
A K A Stone posted on 2019-07-10 10:58:28 Reply Private Reply
#7: Tooconservative To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#6)
You made me laugh because I was thinking about hitting misterwhite with exactly this comment over the thread about the elderly Florida couple finally winning their legal battle to have a scenic vegetable garden in their front yard.
So great minds think alike. Or small minds think alike. I'm not sure.
Obviously, if misterwhite has a wife who is a hideously ugly bitch, he should have to put her into a burqa before she is allowed out of the house. Otherwise, property values in the neighborhood would likely decrease significantly.
Tooconservative posted on 2019-07-10 14:39:20 Reply Private Reply
#8: Deckard To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone, misterwhite (#7)
Deckard posted on 2019-07-10 15:15:05 Reply Private Reply
#9: Tooconservative To: Deckard, A K A Stone, misterwhite (#8)
LOL
Tooconservative posted on 2019-07-10 17:35:54 Reply Private Reply
#10: A K A Stone To: Tooconservative (#9)
A K A Stone posted on 2019-07-11 06:43:36 Reply Private Reply
#11: Tooconservative To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#10)
Well, in that event that missuswhite isn't an ugly bitch who is depressing local property values when seen in public but is actually a gorgeous woman, then shouldn't the neighbors have the right to pass a local ordinance that she has to appear nude on a regular basis just to increase property values?
After all, if she didn't appear nude, that might depress property values.
Either way, missuswhite has to be all nude all the time or burqa'ed from head to foot. Because otherwise property values will suffer and that won't be fair to the neighbors.
Tooconservative posted on 2019-07-11 06:54:27 Reply Private Reply
#12: misterwhite To: Tooconservative, AKA Stone (#7)
misterwhite posted on 2019-07-11 09:20:06 Reply Private Reply
#13: Tooconservative To: misterwhite (#12)
Why is having an ugly spouse any less of a nuisance and an eyesore to neighbors and drives down their property values than a front yard garden or a vehicle on blocks in the front yard?
Tooconservative posted on 2019-07-11 10:37:12 Reply Private Reply
#14: misterwhite To: Tooconservative (#13)
Because you portrayed her as my wife, not a wife. Cut it out.
misterwhite posted on 2019-07-11 10:44:44 Reply Private Reply
#15: Tooconservative To: misterwhite (#14)
Tooconservative posted on 2019-07-11 10:57:36 Reply Private Reply
#16: misterwhite To: Tooconservative (#15)
No, you weren't.
misterwhite posted on 2019-07-11 11:35:54 Reply Private Reply
#17: Tooconservative To: misterwhite, Deckard (#16)
I have no idea if you are even married or what your alleged wife looks like.
Suck it up, buttercup. You're the last snowflake that's going to get any sympathy here at LF.
It's the bullies that are always the whiniest "victims".
Tooconservative posted on 2019-07-11 11:51:17 Reply Private Reply
#18: misterwhite To: Tooconservative (#17)
Call me what you want. I could give a FF. Just leave my wife out of it.
misterwhite posted on 2019-07-11 13:40:33 Reply Private Reply
#19: sneakypete To: Deckard (#0)
Hell,one of my friends out there bought a nice older house on a 1 acre lot with a 2 car garage in the back yard that was fenced in,and was only paying $420 a month.
He told me one day that the mobile home Home Owner Association once charged him 75 bucks in a fine for jump starting his own car in his own driveway. HOA rules stated you had to call in a tow truck or some other professional to do it.
sneakypete posted on 2019-07-11 17:21:22 Reply Private Reply