So, please help me out here so that I may thoroughly understand this.

Now if Michigan has no law granting law enforcement immunity and Hawaii has no such law, then this means that Deckard has once again plastered this forum with yet another bullshit article filled with slanted information [aka lies].

And all he succeeded in doing was duping the shit out of randge

Do I have that right or am I mistaken somewhere?

Dicktard will jump at any chance to propagate hate towards cops... even side with or post liberally written slanted articles.

How can one person harbor so much despise and hold so much hatred?

Never mind trying to answer. It is a rhetorical question.

And all he succeeded in doing was duping the shit out of randge

Do I have that right or am I mistaken somewhere?

It may not be a matter of being duped, rather a case of perhaps too readily accepting an what I'd hitherto deemed an unlikely proposition.

I'd always assumed that in actually employing a prostitute in gathering evidence for prosecution, LE would be guilty of entrapment, thereby spoiling a case.

Deckard surprised me with his assertions about MI & HI, but he stated them in a sincere way, and I took them at face value.

All this is well outside my bailiwick, but it didn't take me long to find an MSM article like the one below. It's a little dated, but it's from the Atlanta Journal Constitution. The freakin' world today is full of the unexpected. Ya never know.

Hawaii police officers allowed to have sex with prostitutes
Local Updated March 22, 2014
By Katherine Biek

It's what many are calling the strangest job perk ever: as part of their investigations, Hawaii police officers are allowed by law to have sex with prostitutes before they arrest them.

Prostitution is illegal in Hawaii, and at a hearing on Friday, state lawmakers said allowing officers to be exempt only further plays into the issue of human trafficking and abuse. (Via KHON) SEN CLAYTON HEE: "Police are just going to have to be more creative than relying on special treatment when arresting prostitutes. It's really mind-boggling." (Via KGMB)

Fox News reports the executive director of Prostitution Research and Education, which is based in San Francisco, says police abuse and prostitution go hand in hand. "... in places without such police protections 'women who have escaped prostitution' commonly report being coerced into giving police sexual favors to keep from being arrested or harassed."

www.ajc.com/news/hawaii-p...rs-allowed-have-sex-with- prostitutes/DpmkFo8ooYW04jVlp6vlnO/

Strange indeed - as in most other aspects, cops are above the laws they are sworn to uphold.

It’s not just Hawaii either. In Michigan, police were granted immunity from prosecution if they had sex with a prostitute or a sex trafficking victim during an investigation.

Deckard surprised me with his assertions about MI & HI …

“Forewarned is forearmed” since prior knowledge of possible dangers or problems gives one a tactical advantage.

I trust that you now have such prior knowledge and you should NEVER again let Deckard surprise you with his assertions and the misinformation in the articles he posts.

The first line of defense against being misled by Deckard is to assume that he is categorically wrong about everything he says, does and that he intentionally posts articles with misleading information and lies to promote his cop hating agenda.

You take care, ya hear.

All this is well outside my bailiwick, but it didn't take me long to find an MSM article like the one below. It's a little dated, but it's from the Atlanta Journal Constitution. The freakin' world today is full of the unexpected. Ya never know.

Hawaii police officers allowed to have sex with prostitutes
Local Updated March 22, 2014
By Katherine Biek
[….]

I fail to understand why you are posting an article four years old about a law that has since been rescinded and furnishing a link to it.

This is something only Deckard would do or Bucky would again do by using one of the many additional screen names he has stashed away here to once again support Deckard.

I hope you are not letting their bad habits rub off on you …

This is something only Deckard would do or Bucky would again do by using one of the many additional screen names he has stashed away here to once again support Deckard.

I hope you are not letting their bad habits rub off on you …

You need to pull your dress down your hypocrisy is showing again.

randge is most likely one of the Paultard assholes.

Now if Michigan has no law granting law enforcement immunity and Hawaii has no such law, then this means that Deckard has once again plastered this forum with yet another bullshit article filled with slanted information [aka lies].

As for characterizing the article, it is by Matt Agorist and from The Free Thought Project. The report cited the article provides little support for the exaggerated propaganda of the article.

The article did not state the exemption laws of Hawaii or Michigan were still in effect.

From the thread article:

As the Free Thought Project previously reported in 2014, Honolulu police officers urged lawmakers to keep an exemption in state law that allows undercover officers to have sex with prostitutes during investigations. For years, Hawaii allowed their cops to have sex with prostitutes and victims of human trafficking while at the same time arresting these women.

It’s not just Hawaii either. In Michigan, police were granted immunity from prosecution if they had sex with a prostitute or a sex trafficking victim during an investigation. This was legal for law enforcement all the way up until 2018 when lawmakers had to get a bill passed to specifically outlaw the practice of having sex with victims of human trafficking.

The thread article does indicate that the prosecution exemption only existed until 2018. The Michigan law was revised in December 2017, effective March 13, 2018.

[Deckard #26] Strange indeed - as in most other aspects, cops are above the laws they are sworn to uphold.

There is no support for the present tense assertion.

Hawaii ended its exemption in 2014.

Hawaii law of 2014, HB 1926

Prostitution; Sex Crimes

Amends the offense of prostitution to include sadomasochistic abuse under the definition of "sexual conduct" and clarify that a law enforcement officer shall not be exempt from the offense if the law enforcement officer engages in sexual penetration or sadomasochistic abuse while acting in the course and scope of duties. Amends the offense of solicitation of a minor for prostitution. Clarifies sentencing of repeat offenders and enhanced sentences for repeat violent and sexual offenders. Amends the applicability of a deferred acceptance of guilty plea or nolo contendere plea. (HB1926 CD1)

https://damontucker.com/tag/prostitution-in-hawaii/

Honolulu Police Department Responds to Allegations About Officers Engaging in Sex with Prostitutes

Posted on March 24, 2014

Recent news reports claimed that the Honolulu Police Department urged lawmakers to keep an exemption in state law that allows undercover officers to engage in sex with prostitutes. This statement is misleading and inaccurate.

First and foremost, the HPD asked the legislature to keep the existing language in the exception. The HPD did not ask for permission to engage in sexual conduct with prostitutes.

Under Hawaii law (HRS Section 712-1200), merely agreeing to pay a fee for sexual conduct constitutes a violation of the statute thus, the exemption for police officers is necessary so they can conduct prostitution investigations. If there was no exemption, officers would not be able to respond to a verbal offer from a suspected prostitute. This does not mean that officers are allowed to engage in sexual penetration.

The HPD has never asked the legislature to allow officers to engage in sex with prostitutes. When HB 1926 was originally drafted, it contained language that allowed the law enforcement exemption UNLESS “the act” involved sexual penetration or deviate sexual intercourse. It was poorly worded so the department asked the committee to omit that sentence, or our officers would not have been able to respond to even a verbal offer of sexual intercourse from a suspected prostitute – one of the most common prostitution violations. The request was NOT made to allow officers to engage in sexual penetration. If we were to codify these rules, we would be publicly revealing specific undercover officer guidelines and Hawaii’s prostitutes, “pimps,” and johns would be able to use the information to avoid prosecution and continue their illegal activity.

The department is keenly aware that prostitutes are often victims of human trafficking or other offenses. Because of this, we work closely with the Hawaii Coalition Against Human Trafficking and other community groups. Our goal is to conduct fair, accurate investigations, taking into consideration the need for prosecution as well as the need to protect the innocent. To accomplish this, we maintain careful oversight of all prostitution cases. There are strict written guidelines to regulate the conduct of officers conducting prostitution investigations.

The randge article quoted at #39 is from 2014. A working link is below.

https://www.ajc.com/news/hawaii-police-officers-allowed-have-sex-with-prostitutes/DpmkFo8ooYW04jVlp6vlnO/

You need to pull your dress down your hypocrisy is showing again.

See ya, asshole coward …

using one of the many additional screen names

You ran out of sock puppet accounts, tater?

You ever notice when one of the common Paultards get OWNED, some hardly used ID comes out of the woodwork and attempts to defend those assholes, in an indirect, I have no dog in the fight, way.

randge is most likely one of the Paultard assholes.

Edit: I reread your post. Thanks again.

assholes

some hardly used ID

I fergot you need a license to post here.

Certain big brained commentators cannay post without reverting to gross epithets.

They're props like a stick for the elderly.

lol

You have that BuckerGoo kinda aura...

Quite a timing coincidence, eh?

Oh my ...

assholes

some hardly used ID

I fergot you need a license to post here.

I wouldn't be too concerned about anything posted by the canary clan here - blowhards like GrandIsland who is unable to post without spewing a litany of juvenile insults peppered with scatological sewage is an ex cop and proven sociopath.

Gatlin is just another self-aggrandizing, self-righteous toolbag, and egocentric pain in the ass.

He's the smartest guy on the internets - just ask him.

an ex cop

Ex? lol

I’m still arresting those (like you) that either break the law because of ignorance, dysfunctionalness, drug addiction or just because (like you) the law doesn’t apply to them.

I just arrest shitbags in another state now. Have no fear though, I’ll be done arresting scumbags after 10 years of service, in this state. I have 4 in... so 6 more years. Then I’ll fully retire with a full 20 year pension AND a pension HALF as much from another state.

Then after that (2 years) I’ll be 62... S. S. Two years after that... the wife’s S. S.

In 10 years... FOUR CHECKS A MONTH.

So... go fuck yourself.

I wouldn't be too concerned

I'll try not to sweat it.

I've worked all over the planet with many types of folks in various situations, and I just realized that this is the first time that somebody felt called to refer to me as an asshole.

The world goes round and round.

… called to refer to me as an asshole.

You are grossly mistaken.

I did see where someone said you are “most likely” one of the “Paultard assholes.”

Are you one?

A fellow should ask certain posters here if they've quit beating their wives.

But, never mind.

Randge is a decent poster. A decent person.

Thank you for letting me know …

I will now see him as a very “gullible” decent poster and decent person since he was ever so easily persuaded to believe the blatantly false information Deckard posted and then to fully support Deckard’s position with absolutely no fact checking on his part at all.

I’ll let it go at that …

A fellow should ask certain posters here if they've quit beating their wives.

Hondo would plead the fifth as an instance of asserting his right against self-incrimination and then he would post some stupid meme reflecting badly on Trump.

While Deckard on the other hand would claim it was the cops who did it and then he would post four or five hot links to show where some cops shot some dogs.

Hmmm …

Does that sounds about right?

Yea …

But, never mind.

Just go on and do it.

I think if a fellow were to ask certain posters here, namely hondo and Deckard, if they’ve quit beating their wives …

Hondo would plead the fifth as an instance of asserting his right against self-incrimination and then he would post some stupid meme reflecting badly on Trump.

While Deckard on the other hand would claim it was the cops who did it and then he would post four or five hot links to show where some cops shot some dogs.

If marijuana were legal and free, provided by MEDICARE for All with a prescription, all such beatings would be cured, and it would not cost anybody anything.

A well regulated marijuana dispensary, being necessary to the availability of a natural high, the right of the people to keep, smoke and ingest marijuana, shall not be infringed.

Muh constimatutional rights!

A well regulated marijuana dispensary, being necessary to the availability of a natural high, the right of the people to keep, smoke and ingest marijuana, shall not be infringed.

I noticed that science has apparently come up with a way to produce yeast in a fermentation process that produces THC and CBD cannabinoids instead of alcohol.

Just some yeast genetically altered to produce cannabinoids instead of alcohol.

BoingBoing: Brewers yeast genetically modified to produce THC and CBD

if they've quit beating their wives.

That’s a “decent poster”, Stone?

That’s a fucking PAULTARD that has you fooled. lol

It’s a duplicate ID. It’s used 3 times a year... and it always non directly defends Paultard ideology.

If your program tracks IP addresses, you’d know this.

If they were actually tracking ID's they would know that this isn't the case. But then again these folks are just so full of themselves, it is almost unbearable.

Used to post kind of regular quite a while ago. I still look in from time to time to who's posting what on what sorts of issues. It's no trick to see that there is a real cute element here that does its best to drag a guy down to the level of catcalling & cheap invective.

Reminds me of the way the Left operates. All's fair, and there ain't no rules. It's a shame in a way, but no skin off my nose.

Cheers.

Hondo would [pack of lies follows]

You qualify as an asshole and so does Fire Island.

lol... you’re a fucking joke. Only a Paultard buys your bullshit.

Fire Island.

After Stinky Pete shits the bed, you might be the only Paultard left using the paultard slam.

A certain poster has bragged that he has numerous screen names registered here dating back to the time this site was formed and he calls them up from time to time to use. He also said that he can post from different IPs anywhere in the world, keep them on file to return and use them any time he wants to. Yes, he can do that and I can easily demonstrate how.

So, you asking Stone to check the IP address does absolutely nothing. If Stone does that, he will find a poster using many different screen names is always using the same corresponding IP address he has on file for that screen name.

Look at Post 66 where this poster is toying with Stone to the point that I am actually embarrassed for Stone. As he also did the same thing in Post 59. That sarcasm style is so unique and has such a distinct signature that you need to be a complete fool not to recognize its repetitive use throughout all these many years.

Stone wants to continue to think “Randge is a decent poster. A decent person.” So let him do that. You really should quit trying to convince Stone otherwise. He obviously never will believe you. Just let Randge continue to play Stone as he has been doing and Post 66 is a classic example of that being done.

You are helping Randge carry on his charade and deceit. I suggest you stop doing it. I toyed back with him on a couple of posts but he will never continue to engage with me after one quick brief post. He knows I will recognize his writing style call him out. I long ago call him out when he used different screen names. I no longer do that, it was a waste of time. I will only make occasional posts to his various screen names he calls up a couple times a year to mirror his sarcasm back to him and then I let it go. He knows that I know who he is all the time.

So, I have no doubt who Randge is as I also have no doubt with some other screen names that are called up once or twice, and maybe three times, a year over a ten-year period.

I think the best thing you can do is to let him continue to play his game with Sone for after all he is not out of hand and spouting his libertarian shit for that would definitely give him away to even Stone. And because he returns to post ever so often and stays in line, then he is increasing the activity count on this site. That is the way I long ago came to look at dealing with him and no longer challenge him. I just don’t see giving him a springboard to post off. To continue to post to him plays right into his game plan.

I just read Post 66 again and laughed as I recalled this Patton Movie CLIP …

So, I paraphrase to say: Bucky you misguided libertarian bastard, I always read right through you.

For after all, it’s his site.

Amen to that.

It’s let go. Thanks, brother.

It’s let go.

And you can let it go with the knowledge that you are correct.
He only posted 3 times last year and no more since no one would engage him.
He had only posted once this year until he was engaged and challenged on his purpose and identity.
With no response he would probably have slithered off and reappeared only two more times this year.
But since he has now been unmasked, he no doubt will now make repeated appearances as a cover.
I find it more fun to watch his action that it is to participate in it.

One another point …

Stone locked his one of hondo’s threads and told him: “Don't post anymore articles from fake Christians.”
And now the brazen little bastard comes back with a thread on “Evangelical Ban at LF.”
I am surprised Stone hasn’t also zapped that thread yet and banned his dumb ass.
It is as if hondo derives great pleasure, especially sexual gratification, from self-inducted pain and humiliation.
His desire to achieve the ultimate erotic pleasure for his masochism appears to have no bounds.

You hang in there. You are doing good work.

Later …

You need to grow some balls so that you will be able to man up and state your hostility in a brazen manner. You need to become bold and without shame. Show some temerity and don’t cowardly hide behind sarcasm. For after all sarcasm is really just hostility disguised as humor and it is something else you cannot effectively use.

See ya, asshole coward …

Speaking of cowards my bozo level went up by one right after you posted this, as usual. So was it with your Gatlin logon or another one?

You want to talk about hostility maybe you should look in the mirror about how you've treated certain posters like Deckard, Stoner, Paultards and numerous others over the years. Or making silly threats about shutting down someone's website because a few people were pointing out your stupidity (me for one).

Does that ring a bell? (Probably not most people like you want to forget/gloss over really embarrassing schitt don't they). The self proclaimed academia and bully boy schtick is really worn out you know!!

Stuff like that doesn't really look good for someone of your "supposed age" (if the personal rhetoric you've spread is factual "flyboy") makes you look childish and/or a liar, both actually.

If you have a problem with me pointing out your hypocrisy maybe you should act your age, cry to Stone (who will just laugh) or just close shop (like you did the last time you were embarrassed) the choice is yours.

I'm curious as to why you came back? Did what few people you have/had in your life tell you to F.O. or are you hoping people here have short memories? You know some of us have people like you in their family and we can see right thru the bluster and BS. You know instead of the link you posted maybe you should review a few articles concerning honesty and integrity, something you supposedly pledged to uphold about 50 years ago if your lives story is true!!

Oh BTW I'm supposedly younger than you and haven't grown up yet so I get a free pass for my treatment of you, don't I?

Later Gramps...

Ok... now fuck off for 365 days and come back and post three times and chalk it up to.. looking in from time to time. Then come up with the same paultard line of canaries or wife beating.

Simply amazing. This site has at most a dozen or so members, and you and Gatlin are doing all you can do discourage new people from posting, because why - they aren't a part of your little echo chamber?

Seriously Stone, do you want this site to grow or are you happy with the reprehensible treatment of newcomers (and long-time posters) by Tater and FireIsland, thereby providing an environment where posters are allowed only beliefs or opinions that agree with yours, so any existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered?

I think we all know the answer to that.

I noticed that science has apparently come up with a way to produce yeast in a fermentation process that produces THC and CBD cannabinoids instead of alcohol.

Just some yeast genetically altered to produce cannabinoids instead of alcohol.

The drug warriors here would call for an immediate ban on such beer.

This site has at most a dozen or so members, and you and Gatlin are doing all you can do discourage new people from posting, because why - they aren't a part of your little echo chamber?

BULLSHIT ...

you can do discourage new people from posting

Bullshit. There are just a handful of Paultard assholes with multiple ID’s, all you assholes have ever done is DEMANDED that FR, LP or LF be Paultard echoing chambers... and you assholes have kept any other types of posters (besides the few snowflakes) from posting here with your anarchist asshole behaviors.

You fucks won’t ever be “discouraged”... society will always have criminals, and LF will always have you assholes.

I’m just hanging around for each of you to kick the geriatric bucket. Stinky is next.

... you misguided libertarian bastard, I always read right through you.

I have no idea what you are attempting to say within your sick, schizophrenia deluded mind.

I haven't been on LF for days, much less this thread. Why the HELL are you dragging me into your wretched posts?

Seriously Stone, do you want this site to grow or are you happy with the reprehensible treatment of newcomers (and long-time posters) by Tater and FireIsland …

Seriously Deckard, you are concerned with the future growth of this site while you continue to daily saturate this site with your spamming cop-hating articles. And continually post yellow journalism articles from The Free Thought Project, Reason, Lew Rockwell and similar ilk?

You are fucking insane …

You responding to me provides STRONG evidence that you were lying....AGAIN.

Loser ...

At least when paranoid schizophrenic Goldi banned me on election night, 2012, five minutes after MSM announced the potatoes second victory, I was gone, and respected that crazy bitches decision... and never posted again until I came here.

You posting criminals don’t respect anyone or their forums.

Fuck off, your little “who me” bullshit doesn’t fly.

Bullshit. There are just a handful of Paultard assholes with multiple ID’s ...

Amen to that brother.

And one just showed up on this thread using his original ID.

You tell ‘em, GI….you tell ‘em!!!

Fuck off

That is about all you are good for.

Seriously Deckard, you are concerned with the future growth of this site

Ha.... that’s laughable. Dicktard is only concerned about propagating his AGENDA by continuously posting fear mongering police articles and pro drug bullshit.

Anyone that disagrees with that asshole is met with disruption. I know, I’ve been subjected to it since 2008 when that slimey fuck posted under numerous other IDs after being banned multiple times. Like InfoBuger.

There is only one echoing chamber here... the Paultard chamber. Lately it’s the anti Trump echoing chamber... FUCK THEM.

I took you off BOZO to understand you

You lie at every turn. You wanna know when you are lying? When your fucking lips are moving.