German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Tuesday backed French counterpart Emmanuel Macron in his call for a European army -- a move that President Trump has called insulting as he urged the countries to fulfil their NATO commitments instead.
Merkel told lawmakers in the E.U. Parliament in Strasbourg that we have to work on the vision of one day creating a real European army. She clarified the such a force would not mean the end of NATO, and also called for the creation of a European security council.
The remarks were met with a mix of boos and cheers from lawmakers, with some British representatives crying Rubbish! Rubbish!
Merkel made the remarks after the idea was floated by Macron last week, when he said that Europe was the main victim of Trumps decision to withdraw from the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with Russia.
We will not protect the Europeans unless we decide to have a true European army, Macron said, according to The Wall Street Journal. He also grouped in the U.S. with the countries from which France needed protection.
We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia and even the United States of America, he said on French radio.
President Trump responded angrily to that call, on Friday calling it very insulting and instead calling for European countries to meet their NATO defense commitments. He doubled down on that call on Tuesday when he made reference to the French surrender to the Nazis in World War II.
Emmanuel Macron suggests building its own army to protect Europe against the U.S., China and Russia. But it was Germany in World Wars One & Two - How did that work out for France? he tweeted.They were starting to learn German in Paris before the U.S. came along. Pay for NATO or not!
Trump has often complained about the burden placed on the U.S. by NATO obligations, noting that the U.S. has an enormous military budget, part of which is spent protecting allies abroad -- including in Europe. In July, he complained, "We're protecting Germany, we're protecting France. We're protecting everybody. And yet we're paying a lot of money to protect."
NATO itself does not have a defense budget, but members commit to spending a minimum of 2 percent of their Gross Domestic Product to defense spending -- although a number of countries do not meet this commitment. For 2018, the U.S. is spending 3.5 percent of its GDP on defense spending.
Meanwhile France is spending 1.81 percent, Germany is spending 1.24 percent and only a handful of NATO countries are meeting that 2 percent commitment.
Merkel said recently that she intends to step down as chancellor in 2021.
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jeremiad posted on 2018-11-13 19:00:52 Reply Private Reply
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Vicomte13 posted on 2018-11-14 10:59:56 Reply Private Reply
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jeremiad posted on 2018-11-16 00:33:25 Reply Private Reply
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A K A Stone posted on 2018-11-16 00:47:54 Reply Private Reply
#5: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#4)
Hmmmmmm. That doesn't sound like me. I'd have to have the context to understand what I meant by that. It could be satire, it could be that I was making a different point (as in "Well, if we're going to do THAT, we may as well..."). Just flat out taxing Americans and spreading the wealth around the world for the purposes of doing that? I don't believe in that. Never did. So if I said something like that, the point was the context - which I don't remember and so can't really say.
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A K A Stone posted on 2018-11-16 08:15:01 Reply Private Reply
#7: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#6)
I know. Really, I don't think we should be taxing Americans to redistribute wealth worldwide - not directly.
I DO think that having our overwhelming military force out there keeping the peace is what allows for there to be a world economy that is as big as it is, and that this benefits us and everybody else, pretty much everywhere. The military is paid for by the American taxpayer, so in essence we are taxing Americans and redistributing our wealth to the world in the form of peace through military strength. And I do support the Pax Americana.
Where there are real famines and earthquakes and hurricanes and Ebola outbreaks - natural disasters where quick aid and intervention (at taxpayer expense) are necessary to stop the loss of human life, then yeah, I do want the dollars spent to do that.
But no, I don't think that we should be funding the power grid in Zambia, for example.
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If WWII hadn't been fought there would have been no WWII and probably no worldwide depression.
IbJensen posted on 2018-11-17 08:12:46 Reply Private Reply