Chesapeake, VA Sid Tatem was trying to enjoy a picnic at Chesapeakes Northwest River Park last week, but an overzealous park ranger quickly ruined the family outing. The ranger approached Tatem and sons inquiring about what they were drinking. Turns out the trio was enjoying some of grandpas homemade Kombucha, a fermented tea that has been around for thousands of years. Ranger Michael Peters was informed by Tatem the mixture might have residual alcohol from its fermentation but it could hardly be considered an alcoholic beverage.
Kombucha is the fermented tea that is sold in nearly every store across the country and which has an alcohol content so low that children can purchase it legally.
Currently quite a health food rage, its loaded in probiotics, vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and anti-inflammatory substances. In other words, its really good for you and your body.
However, Peters detained the family, confiscated the Kombucha, forced them to pour it out and promptly kicked the innocent grandfather and his grandchildren out of the park. The three had made a day visiting Tatems fathers grave and decided to stop by the park and enjoy some food and family time. Tatem said:
I thought it was good, clean fun And as far as Im concerned, it is.
The grandfather described the encounter between he, his 8 and 14-year-old grandsons, and Peters.
He said real assertively, What are you guys drinking today? He was very disturbed, convinced I was contributing the delinquency of my grandsons Kombucha is not considered an alcoholic drink anywhere.
Grandpas right. Kombucha is sold to minors as if it were a soda and the alcohol content is somewhere between .5 and 2 percent, hardly enough to have any effect on anyone. It is similar to a near beer drink such as the marked brand of beer ODouls which has .5 percent alcohol. Even in Texas, where weed is still illegal, minors can buy ODouls and kmobucha.
Tatem described what happened after he attempted to reason with Peters.
I thought, this is a losing situation. I asked the officer what he wanted us to do. He said, Dump the kombucha out, and leave the park. We did so in silence.
Predictably, Peters supervisors stood behind their agent of the state. City spokeswoman Elizabeth Vaughn, supported the rangers decision to confiscate property which didnt belong to him, pour it out, and send the trio from whence they came. Vaughn stated:
The citizen offered up the information that the containers had home-brewed kombucha, and the fact it contained alcohol. Seeing it was given to juveniles, he was told to leave the park.
One could say Tatem got off pretty lucky. Had he resisted the confiscation, other men with guns could have been called and they couldve been hurt. Had he chose not surrender his homemade Kombucha, he could have been tased, beaten, or possibly even killed. Were not exaggerating folks. This happens all the time.
When citizens are determined to flex their rights, bad things can often happen. Tatem had a right not to be contacted by the Park Ranger. He also had a right not to speak with the ranger. He also had a right not to be searched and his property seized. Furthermore, the grandpa and his two grandsons had a right to be able to enjoy the park just like everyone elsewithout becoming subject to the American police state.
#1: A K A Stone To: Deckard (#0)
What should his punishment be?
A K A Stone posted on 2018-10-01 08:57:04 Reply Private Reply
#2: misterwhite To: Deckard (#0)
Too bad they were drinking it in Virginia.
misterwhite posted on 2018-10-01 10:40:48 Reply Private Reply
#3: misterwhite To: Deckard (#0)
is a city owned and run campground and no alcohol is allowed.
So there's that.
misterwhite posted on 2018-10-01 10:44:45 Reply Private Reply
#4: Deckard To: misterwhite (#3)
Kombucha tea contains anywhere from 0.5 to 2 percent alcohol. (For comparison's sake, a Budweiser is 5 percent.)
Better hide the NyQuil!
Deckard posted on 2018-10-01 11:29:33 Reply Private Reply
#5: misterwhite To: Deckard (#4)
Uh-huh. Well, that would be relevant if the city ordinance read, "A little bit of alcohol is allowed in city owned and operated public parks."
Unfortunately it doesn't. It says no alcohol.
misterwhite posted on 2018-10-01 11:52:23 Reply Private Reply
#6: nolu chan To: Deckard, A K A Stone, misterwhite (#0)
The state Code of Virginia could consider it an alcoholic beverage.
Figure the odds. It's from the Free Thought Project and posted by Deckard.
Really.
In accordance with the Code of Virginia, Title 4.1-100, "one-half of one percent or more of alcohol by volume" meets the state definition of an alcoholic beverage.
This is true in spite of the advice of Sid Tatum to the Ranger Michael Peters, and despite the research efforts of Jack Burns and Deckard.
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https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/06/26/michael-floyd-kombucha-alcohol-science
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https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/health/kombucha-tea-alcohol-content/index.html
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STATE OF VIRGINIA
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title4.1/chapter1/section4.1-100/
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nolu chan posted on 2018-10-01 17:14:55 Reply Private Reply
#7: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#6)
Like he's going to pay $5 for a 16 oz. bottle of some .5% stuff.
misterwhite posted on 2018-10-01 18:42:45 Reply Private Reply
#8: nolu chan To: misterwhite (#7)
Almost makes ya think the ranger could smell the alcohol.
nolu chan posted on 2018-10-01 19:44:47 Reply Private Reply
#9: GrandIsland To: nolu chan (#8)
I was kicked out of a state park (from the beach) by local authorities, for sneaking beer in when all the signs and postings clearly prohibited it. I was on a small vacation visiting my brother-in-law and his wife. This was 2012... two years before I retired in NY.
My brother-in-law and I gladly left, drove to the nearest Buffalo Wild Wings... and drank copious amounts of beer, in an AIR CONDITIONED ATMOSPHERE... while we watched sports on the TV.
I didnt bitch about it... then again Im not an anarchist asshole.
GrandIsland posted on 2018-10-01 20:20:32 Reply Private Reply
#10: GrandIsland To: All (#9)
GrandIsland posted on 2018-10-01 20:49:03 Reply Private Reply
#11: nolu chan To: GrandIsland (#9)
At the top of the page was "Code of Virginia. The Code of Virginia (COV) contains the laws (statutes) of the Commonwealth. Title 4.1 is the Alcoholic Beverage Control Act."
I scrolled down to "Title 4.1 - Alcoholic Beverage Control Act :: 2014 Virginia Code :: US ..." The first section in Title 4.1 is §4-1.100 - Definitions. And there it defines "Alcoholic beverages".
It was my first search and I believe it took about a minute, maybe two. The writer for the Freedom from Thought Project could and should have done that.
nolu chan posted on 2018-10-01 22:28:05 Reply Private Reply
#12: A Pole To: misterwhite (#5)
Ripe fruits contain alcohol. Your body contains alcohol.
A Pole posted on 2018-10-02 08:29:55 Reply Private Reply
#13: misterwhite To: A Pole (#12)
And rubbing alcohol contains alcohol. And Nyquil contains alcohol. And none of them are beverages as referenced in the city ordinance.
misterwhite posted on 2018-10-02 10:11:42 Reply Private Reply
#14: A Pole To: misterwhite (#13)
Don't you get hangover after?
A Pole posted on 2018-10-02 16:36:58 Reply Private Reply
#15: misterwhite To: A Pole (#14)
You assume I drink. I don't.
misterwhite posted on 2018-10-02 17:38:26 Reply Private Reply
#16: Hondo68 To: A Pole, misterwhite (#14)
No surprise, Trump and Whitey are lying about not drinking alcohol in the park.
Lock 'em Up!
Hondo68 posted on 2018-10-02 18:15:45 Reply Private Reply
#17: nolu chan To: hondo68, A Pole, misterwhite (#16)
I gave the Virginia state alcoholic beverge control law, with a link, at my #6. I quoted the codified definition of "alcoholic beverage" therein.
Code of Virginia 4.1-100,
I gave the search criteria used at my #11.
Ripe fruits are not alcoholic beverages. The state park ranger was enforcing a state law. Soda with trace amounts of alcohol are not alcoholic beverages.
Tatem dumped the home brew on the ground. Had he refused, the ranger could have arrested brave Sid, seized the home brew as evidence, and charged Tatem with a Class 4 misdemeanor for violation of state law.
Liars gotta lie.
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title4.1/chapter3/section4.1-308/
nolu chan posted on 2018-10-03 00:09:34 Reply Private Reply
#18: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#17)
And by so doing, he avoided being arrested and charged with serving alcohol to minors and possessing alcohol in a public park.
Meaning he also missed out on the tens of thousands of dollars he would have collected from a GoFundMe page.
misterwhite posted on 2018-10-03 09:18:57 Reply Private Reply