[23 August 2018]
Robert Reich
11 hrs
ANNULMENT OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY
Suppose Robert Mueller comes up with overwhelming evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to become President, and that, were it not for Russias actions during the election, Trump would not have been elected. In other words, Trumps presidency is not authorized under the United States Constitution.
Impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate would remove Trump from office. This would remedy Trumps high crimes and misdemeanors.
But impeachment would not remedy Trumps unconstitutional presidency because it would leave in place his vice president, White House staff and Cabinet, as well as all the executive orders he issued and all the legislation he signed, and the official record of his presidency.
The only way to respond to an unconstitutional presidency is to annul it. Annulment would repeal all of an unconstitutional presidents appointments and executive actions, and would eliminate the official record of the presidency. Annulment would recognize that all such appointments, actions, and records were made without constitutional authority.
The Constitution does not specifically provide for annulment of an unconstitutional presidency. But read as a whole, the Constitution leads to the logical conclusion that annulment is the appropriate remedy for one.
After all, the Supreme Court can declare legislation that doesnt comport with the Constitution null and void. It would logically follow that the Court could declare all the legislation and executive actions of a presidency unauthorized by the Constitution to be null and void.
The Constitution also gives Congress and the states the power to amend the Constitution, thereby annulling or altering whatever provisions came before. Here, too, it would logically follow that Congress and the states could, through amendment, annul the actions of a presidency they determine to be unconstitutional.
I am not suggesting that constitutional annulment of the Trump presidency is likely. I am only arguing that, in the face of overwhelming evidence that his presidency was never authorized under the Constitution, there are ample grounds for arguing it should and can be annulled.
Your thoughts?
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Poster comment: Trump Derangement Syndrome
#1: Pinguinite To: nolu chan (#0)
Is there any body with the authority to remove him from the USSC besides himself?
Pinguinite posted on 2018-08-24 01:14:48 Reply Private Reply
#2: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#0)
(1) This sword cuts both ways. Trump should declassify everything about Obama's birth and present the truth (or the "truth", which the US government has always been able to manufacture) - that the man was born in Kenya - and thereby remove two Supreme Court justices through this "nullification",, as well as erasing Obamacare without a trace.
(2) Blood and fire.
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-08-24 06:32:56 Reply Private Reply
#3: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#2)
A K A Stone posted on 2018-08-24 07:00:22 Reply Private Reply
#4: Hondo68 To: Pinguinite, express check out (#1)
A constitutional amendment would do it. Not going to happen, the D&R party is a suicide pact, and Trump is the emcee.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-08-24 07:19:40 Reply Private Reply
#5: Hondo68 To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, VxH (#3)
LOL, good one!
Hondo68 posted on 2018-08-24 07:23:01 Reply Private Reply
#6: Jameson To: A K A Stone (#3)
Right!!!
I find it fascinating that most of the DSD cultists have given up defending his actions and are shifting to a defensive posture.....
What are your thoughts?
Jameson posted on 2018-08-24 07:49:00 Reply Private Reply
#7: nolu chan To: Pinguinite (#1)
No, the only recourse is impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate. The only SCOTUS involvement would entail the Chief Justice sitting in the Senate for the trial.
nolu chan posted on 2018-08-24 08:14:15 Reply Private Reply
#8: nolu chan To: Pinguinite (#1)
The Congress via impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate.
nolu chan posted on 2018-08-24 08:16:48 Reply Private Reply
#9: Pinguinite To: nolu chan (#8)
Pinguinite posted on 2018-08-24 09:50:46 Reply Private Reply
#10: nolu chan To: Pinguinite (#9)
There is no such thing as annulment of a presidency. That is merely Reich's manifestation of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Nobody has ever tried this with a presidency, but attempts were made to annul a ratification of a pending amendment to the Constitution.
The issue is a non-justiciable political question, inappropriate for judicial determination. As a non-justiciable political question, the Court would not take it up for decision, and Justice Gorsuch would not present any problem.
Once an election is officially certified, it is beyond judicial action.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/307/433/case.html
Coleman v. Miller, 307 U.S. 433 (1939)
nolu chan posted on 2018-08-24 12:11:27 Reply Private Reply
#11: A K A Stone To: Jameson (#6)
Your cunt of a mother should have crushed your skull when your egg hatched.
A K A Stone posted on 2018-08-24 12:14:15 Reply Private Reply
#12: Willie Green To: A K A Stone (#11)
Shame on you... That would be abortion...
Willie Green posted on 2018-08-24 12:18:10 Reply Private Reply
#13: Jameson To: A K A Stone (#11)
It will probably take 3 or 4 FourLoko's to cause you to forget about this week....
Am I right??
http://fourloko.com/
Jameson posted on 2018-08-24 12:57:27 Reply Private Reply
#14: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#3)
They ought to be careful what they wish for.
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-08-24 14:47:16 Reply Private Reply
#15: Hondo68 To: Jameson (#13)
Isn't that the same piss that Hillary drinks?
Hondo68 posted on 2018-08-24 14:49:31 Reply Private Reply
#16: Pinguinite To: nolu chan (#10)
Pinguinite posted on 2018-08-24 20:46:50 Reply Private Reply
#17: A K A Stone To: Jameson (#13)
A K A Stone posted on 2018-08-24 21:53:58 Reply Private Reply
#18: Fred Mertz To: A K A Stone (#17)
Fred Mertz posted on 2018-08-24 22:00:22 Reply Private Reply
#19: A K A Stone To: Fred Mertz (#18)
A K A Stone posted on 2018-08-24 22:03:49 Reply Private Reply
#20: Fred Mertz To: A K A Stone (#19)
We had a turtle and named it Pebbles 'cuz it was dumb as a rock. Okay, I made up this last line. The others are true.
Fred Mertz posted on 2018-08-24 22:23:54 Reply Private Reply
#21: buckeroo To: nolu chan (#0)
I offered on many threads a way out of this current BS: "Vote for My dead dawg Scruffy."
Did anyone write Scruffy into their ballot? No? Well, now you got what you begged for.
buckeroo posted on 2018-08-24 22:34:16 Reply Private Reply
#22: sneakypete To: Vicomte13 (#2)
Not to mention the treason and other high crimes of the Kennedy Klan,as well as the treason and high crimes of King FDR and his commie cousin-wife.
sneakypete posted on 2018-08-25 10:49:09 Reply Private Reply
#23: sneakypete To: A K A Stone (#3)
I am beginning to think that I want it,also.
sneakypete posted on 2018-08-25 10:49:47 Reply Private Reply
#24: Jameson To: A K A Stone (#17)
So, the smart money is on Dip-Shit JR. being indicted this week....
give me your honest opinion.....
Does Dip-Shit Jr. rat out DS45, or does DS45 hang his own son out to dry????
Jameson posted on 2018-08-26 19:53:07 Reply Private Reply
#25: A K A Stone To: Jameson (#24)
You keep amusing us with your ultra liberal views. We keep laughing.
A K A Stone posted on 2018-08-26 20:33:07 Reply Private Reply
#26: GrandIsland To: A K A Stone (#25)
Ive got all my fingers and toes crossed... If that doesnt happen, you and I both will see socialism before we die, IMHO.
GrandIsland posted on 2018-08-26 21:18:44 Reply Private Reply
#27: buckeroo To: GrandIsland (#26)
How the HELL will you ever punch a chad?
buckeroo posted on 2018-08-26 21:52:55 Reply Private Reply
#28: GrandIsland To: buckeroo (#27)
Ill only punch Chad if hes an asshole cop hating, drug loving Paultard.
Ill uncross my fingers for that.
GrandIsland posted on 2018-08-26 22:35:24 Reply Private Reply
#29: nolu chan To: buckeroo (#27)
I would use a UGC-6 with a reperf.
nolu chan posted on 2018-08-26 23:01:52 Reply Private Reply
#30: nolu chan To: Jameson, A K A Stone (#24)
Well, the week came and went.
Where is the smart money for the week of September 2-8?
nolu chan posted on 2018-09-01 18:21:51 Reply Private Reply
#31: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#0)
Gosh. Who then would take the reins? Maybe Robert Reich?
But if Trump's Presidency were annulled (as though it didn't happen), then there's nothing to stop Trump from running in 2020 and 2024 with the support of tens of millions of pissed off Americans.
Then annul Robert Reich.
misterwhite posted on 2018-09-01 18:34:38 Reply Private Reply
#32: CZ82 To: nolu chan (#30)
He must be pretty poor by now too bad he hasn't hocked his computer to pay for his gambling habits. BTA the amusement factor around here would fall off precipitously if he couldn't post. Decisions, decisions...
CZ82 posted on 2018-09-02 08:36:45 Reply Private Reply
#33: nolu chan To: Jameson, A K A Stone, CZ82 (#30)
THE SMART MONEY for the week of September 2-8 is on Judge Kavanaugh having his appointment CONFIRMED as ASSOCIATE JUSTICE of the United States Supreme Court.
nolu chan posted on 2018-09-02 13:48:19 Reply Private Reply
#34: Jameson To: nolu chan (#33)
perhaps.....
perhaps not....
I doubt that Ducey will have a McCain replacement in place this week...
It will probably take a week or so longer....
IF the Senate Democrats agree to show up
Jameson posted on 2018-09-02 14:58:42 Reply Private Reply
#35: nolu chan To: Jameson (#34)
Yeah, perhaps it will only pass out of commmittee this week and be confirmed at a shortly later date.
Your point, if you have one?
Who gives a shit if the degenerate members of the Resist party agree to show up?
Attendance is mandatory and fleeing from the Senate in violation of the Rules, to evade the Seargeant at Arms of the Senate in order to resist their duty, would be a poor picture to present weeks before the mid-term elections. This would be especially true if they were all found in Cryin' Chuck Schumer's crying closet and snowflake safe space, watching a unanimous vote on CNN.
A majority of 100 senators is 51. A majority of 99 senators is 50. The GOP has 50 without McCain's replacement. If the Resist party degenerates stay home, which 26 Republicans do you predict will vote against the Kavanaugh nomination?
The Senate always presumes a quorum unless a roll call vote or quorum call suggests otherwise. If all the degenerate members of the Resist party stay home, who would request a quorum call?
nolu chan posted on 2018-09-02 15:58:45 Reply Private Reply
#36: Jameson To: nolu chan (#35)
Can you count on all 50.................?
Jameson posted on 2018-09-04 11:44:43 Reply Private Reply
#37: Jameson To: nolu chan (#30)
Congrats!! you won that bet....
The wheels of justice sometimes turn slowly..........
Jameson posted on 2018-09-04 11:47:27 Reply Private Reply
#38: A K A Stone To: Jameson (#34)
That is because you are an idiot and have no clue or any insight into anything
A K A Stone posted on 2018-09-04 13:45:38 Reply Private Reply
#39: Jameson To: A K A Stone (#38)
Here is something you have some personal insight into!!
Bubbly sangria causing drunken blackouts hailed as the new Four Loko
https://thetakeout.com/bubbly-sangria-causing-drunken-blackouts-hailed-as-the- 1826075020
Your breakfasts are getting better and better!!!
Jameson posted on 2018-09-04 13:55:23 Reply Private Reply
#40: Hondo68 To: Jameson (#39)
The secret of your success?
Hondo68 posted on 2018-09-04 14:14:04 Reply Private Reply
#41: Jameson To: hondo68 (#40)
heh heh - no....
I stick with the Irish whiskey !!
Jameson posted on 2018-09-04 14:17:16 Reply Private Reply
#42: BorisY To: Jameson (#41)
voTe
AppoinTmenT
Was Today
Lameson
Loser liberals
Winning
boris
BorisY posted on 2018-09-04 17:25:00 Reply Private Reply
#43: VxH To: Jameson (#39)
Trump to Endorse Chabad Movement
https://www.haaretz.com/us- news/.premium-trump-to-host-event-endorsing-chabad-movement-1.5955670
Zeph 1:4-6
4 "I will stretch out my hand against Judah
and against all who live in Jerusalem.
I will cut off from this place every remnant of Baal,
the names of the pagan and the idolatrous priests
5 those who bow down on the roofs
to worship the starry host,
those who bow down and swear by the Lord
and who also swear by Molech,
6 those who turn back from following the Lord
NIV
VxH posted on 2018-09-05 14:50:07 Reply Private Reply
#44: VxH To: Jameson (#41)
Have you read 200 Years Together?
https://wikispooks.com /wiki/200_Years_Together
VxH posted on 2018-09-05 14:53:06 Reply Private Reply
#45: IbJensen To: nolu chan (#0)
IbJensen posted on 2018-09-05 15:50:49 Reply Private Reply
#46: Jameson To: VxH (#44)
I have not. I'm currently reading The Ultimate Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy by Douglas Adams
What role did Alcohol play?
Good question.....I really don't have an answer for you.
However, I might suggest you watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQycQ8DABvc
Jameson posted on 2018-09-05 16:08:36 Reply Private Reply
#47: CZ82 To: nolu chan (#33)
I bet Kavanaugh wishes he could go jump off a cliff right now after having to listen to total idiots asking him idiotic questions for the last 2 days.
I also wonder who ponied up the money to pay for the shenanigans at the beginning of this hearing? I heard over 70 people were arrested for that little faux dog and pony show they put on, tards just never learn...
CZ82 posted on 2018-09-06 07:17:14 Reply Private Reply
#48: A K A Stone To: Jameson (#37)
A K A Stone posted on 2019-02-12 21:14:54 Reply Private Reply