The government announced a $12 billion plan Tuesday to assist farmers who have been hurt by President Donald Trump's trade disputes with China and other trading partners.
The plan focuses on Midwest soybean producers and others targeted by retaliatory measures.
The Agriculture Department said the proposal would include direct assistance for farmers, purchases of excess crops and trade promotion activities aimed at building new export markets. Officials said the plan would not require congressional approval and would come through the Commodity Credit Corporation, a wing of the department that addresses agricultural prices.
"This is a short-term solution that will give President Trump and his administration the time to work on long-term trade deals," said Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue. Officials said the direct payments could help producers of soybeans, which have been hit hard by the Trump tariffs, along with sorghum, corn, wheat, cotton, dairy and farmers raising hogs.
In Kansas City, meanwhile, Trump told a veterans convention that he was trying to renegotiate trade agreements that he said have hurt American workers, and he asked for patience ahead of key talks.
"We're making tremendous progress. They're all coming. They don't want to have those tariffs put on them," Trump told the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention.
(backslash)rump declared earlier Tuesday that "Tariffs are the greatest!" and threatened to impose additional penalties on U.S. trading partners as he prepared for negotiations with European officials at the White House.
Tariffs are taxes on imports. They are meant to protect domestic businesses and put foreign competitors at a disadvantage. But the taxes also exact a toll on U.S. businesses and consumers, which pay more for imported products.
The Trump administration has slapped tariffs on $34 billion in Chinese goods in a dispute over Beijing's high-tech industrial policies. China has retaliated with duties on soybeans and pork, affecting Midwest farmers in a region of the country that supported the president in his 2016 campaign.
Trump has threatened to place penalty taxes on up to $500 billion in products imported from China, a move that would dramatically ratchet up the stakes in the trade dispute involving the globe's biggest economies.
#7: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#6)
It will no doubt surprise you to learn that the farmers were ALREADY hurt by the $11 billion impact of "illegal tariffs" that other countries have presently imposed on all US agriculture exports .long before Trump placed his tariff program in effect.
You need to realize that this emergency aid package was already necessary and in the under consideration to mitigate the hardships farmers have already been undergoing from the tariffs imposed on their products by other countries. Canada charges the U.S. a 270% tariff on Dairy Products! That is ridiculous....absolutely RIDICULOUS.
It has been reported that this aid package is a short-term solution and is necessary to give Trump time to work out long term trade agreements that will be a stabilized benefit to agriculture .and all sectors of our economy.
So, you taking every opportunity to rail Trump at every opportunity you see or can conjure up is helping nothing. You need to sit down, shut up and lets see what Trump WILL do .that is not CAN do.
There
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-24 20:02:37 Reply Private Reply
#8: Hondo68 To: Gatlin (#7)
Read the article at the link that you posted. It does NOT match the text that you posted.
Gatlin has been proven a liar by his own evidence. DONE!
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-24 20:44:59 Reply Private Reply
#9: misterwhite To: hondo68 (#6)
Hey! Only Democrats are allowed to do that!
misterwhite posted on 2018-07-24 21:16:41 Reply Private Reply
#10: GrandIsland To: hondo68 (#4)
You should eat a few spoons of crystal Draino... with a water chaser.
GrandIsland posted on 2018-07-24 21:27:03 Reply Private Reply
#11: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#8)
The authors of the article posted 9 paragraphs of text.
You need to be specific. What doesnt match?
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-24 21:34:37 Reply Private Reply
#12: GrandIsland To: Gatlin (#11)
Paultards by definition, are scumbag anarchist. They have no rules... theyll shit on your floor and call that Liberty. They do as they please.
GrandIsland posted on 2018-07-24 21:51:57 Reply Private Reply
#13: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, China tater trading partner (#11)
The second sentence, I can't find online. It goes on like that.
Maybe you posted the wrong link, to go along with the text from another sites story on this? Things just don't line up with your text.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-24 21:56:20 Reply Private Reply
#14: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#13)
If the link still doesnt work for you, then here is a new source with exactly the same ariicle for you to try:
https://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2018/07/feds_plan_aid _for_farmers_hurt.html
If that link does not work then I have other links to feed to you.
Let me know and then you can proceed to tell me where the disagreement is.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-24 22:29:15 Reply Private Reply
#15: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#13)
I think what may have happened during the time your were clicking on the link is that ABC was posting another new story and the link got temporarily switched to the new story while they were editing. When ABC finished posting their new story, then the link in the sroty I posted lined back up.
I am guessing, but I am pretty sure that is what happened.
Not my fault of course, but I am sorry you had the problem.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-24 22:41:36 Reply Private Reply
#16: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, Associated Press of Oregon (#14)
That's the link that you posted, but the article is very different from the text that you posted along with it. Ken Thomas and Paul Wiseman do NOT call China a trading partner. Why are you lying to smear these people?
Your original link at the top works just fine to prove that you're a liar. There is NO problem accessing the link that YOU posted. Except that the story there does not match what YOU posted.
Your Oregon Live link above, is NOT by Ken Thomas and Paul Wiseman, you won't find those names on that page. That commie propaganda was authored by The Associated Press. Another lie by Gatlin.
Please don't post any more links for my benefit, I'm really not interested in hearing any more of your lies.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-24 22:43:32 Reply Private Reply
#17: buckeroo To: hondo68 (#8)
He is the President of the Canary Clan.
buckeroo posted on 2018-07-24 22:49:57 Reply Private Reply
#18: Gatlin To: buckeroo (#17)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-24 23:03:23 Reply Private Reply
#19: nolu chan To: Gatlin, buckeroo, hondo68 (#18)
As a reused AP story, it can appear in various formats with different titles and authors listed or not listed.
https://www.circa.com/story/2018/07/24/politics/us-announces-billions-to-help-farmers-hurt-by-trump-tariffs
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http://www.americanpress.com/wire/trump-planning-emergency-aid-to-farmers-affected-by-tariffs/article_4bae5d61-3c1b-5e92-bd2b-72ce783db75b.html
The story was updated. Most versions appear to say "other countries," but I was able to find several that say "other trading partners."
Below see a copy direct from APNEWS.
https://apnews.com/60b2acc81d394e01a78e428c48d53815
nolu chan posted on 2018-07-24 23:42:10 Reply Private Reply
#20: Gatlin To: A K A Stone, nolu chan, misterwhite, GrandIsland, hondo68, Everybody (#16)
Please go to this thread titled: Trump tapping $12B to help farmers affected by tariffs. Then click on the link I posted there and see if it goes to the story I posted there.
Hondo says it does not. I have checked it multiple times and the link always leads to the posted story for me.
Please also ping hondo when you post the result of yout test back to me.
I will also be pleased to hear from any others I pinged who check the link. Thank you.
I dont understand why hondo is calling me a liar. If I did something wrong, or said something wrong, and when I am shown where it is wrong .then I will sincerely apologize to hondo.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-24 23:51:52 Reply Private Reply
#21: Gatlin To: nolu chan (#19)
In my Post #20, I ask that you go to the thread and check fhe link I posted goes to the story I posted.
Hondo insists that it does not and is calling me a liar because he says it does not. At least hat is what I think is doing.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 00:03:28 Reply Private Reply
#22: Gatlin To: hondo68, A K A Stone, misterwhie, nolu chan, GrandIsland (#16)
I redacted NOTHING. The story was updated. There was a LOGICAL explanation. You had no reason to call me a liar.
Here is the updated story:
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 00:31:21 Reply Private Reply
#23: Hondo68 To: Gatlin (#21)
A cached version of the page from earlier in the day. 11:47 AM ET
Your original link was recently changed to the more PC version. It said exactly what I quoted the many times I posted it. The same as above.
You must have posted around 15:00 AM ET, since whitey posted the first reply at 15:07. Somehow you got the PC version before it was posted on your abcnews.go.com link. How did that happen Special NWO Agent Gatlin?
President Trump needs to pull your Top Secret security clearance along with Brennan and the others, IMO. Loose lips, sink ships.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-25 00:34:08 Reply Private Reply
#24: Gatlin To: hondo68, A K A Stone, nolu chan, misterwhite, GrandIsland, (#23)
The problem with the article being updated and you assuming that I had redacted and changed information could have been settled much earlier had you been able to make yourself clearly understood. And you had not blindly channeled into finding a big gotcha on me to call me a liar .when there was really no reason to do so. and it was only that the article had been updated.
I spent a lot of time trying to straighten this out with you and to find the problem you were seeing that I was not seeing. But you had no interest in working together to find out what was wrong. Sad.
We have sparred back and forth for some time now, but I always consider it just friendly debates. I never disliked you although there were many time I never understood you.
I would appreciate hearing from you that you do not now think that I lied.
Godspeed to you . and I sincerely wish the best for you in all your future endeavors throughout life.
Gatlin
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 01:15:12 Reply Private Reply
#25: Deckard To: Gatlin (#5)
Attaboy! Just shut up and don't criticize your leaders - be a good 'mericun and STFU.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-25 06:16:19 Reply Private Reply
#26: Deckard To: Gatlin, hond068 (#7)
In other words "Do not question or criticize Trump!"
You're a frikkin' fascist Parsons.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-25 06:19:40 Reply Private Reply
#27: Deckard To: hondo68, Gatlin (#8)
President Donald Trump's proclamation that trade wars are "good and easy to win" now has competition for the honor of being the most ridiculous thing America's protectionist-in-chief has said about his anti-trade policies. This morning he dropped this whopper:
The kicker to the tweet came a few hours later, when The Washington Post reported that the White House was preparing to spend $12 billion to subsidize farmers stung by tariffs. The funds will be available around Labor Day, according to the Post.
To sum up: Tariffs are so great that the federal government has to create new spending programs to compensate the tariffs' victims. If you think that doesn't make sense, you must not be sufficiently committed to making America great again.
More seriously, this is further proof that Trump's argument for trade barriers is completely unraveling. The White House has never made much of an effort to outline exactly how these tariffs would improve America's relationships with the affected trading partners, even as analysis after analysis suggests the policy would do exactly what it has done: hike prices and threaten jobs, with manufacturing and farming hardest hit.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-25 06:29:46 Reply Private Reply
#28: Jameson To: Deckard (#27)
Like Archer Daniels Midland
Jameson posted on 2018-07-25 07:38:52 Reply Private Reply
#29: Deckard To: Jameson (#28)
Good call - family farms won't get much if any of the 12 billion dollars.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-25 08:30:37 Reply Private Reply
#30: Gatlin To: Deckard, EVERYBODY (#25)
It is easy to notice how you, hondo, Bucky and one or two others [all libertarians] never think twice before laying on criticism. In fact, you never think once before you just ignorantly shoot off your mouth. You all are forever showing that your tolerance level for ideas and actions from others that are different from your ideas is non-existent and it often times even makes you extremely argumentative and very easily angered.
You have repeatedly shown the only thing you all CAN do is constantly criticize. You groupies say that something is wrong, terribly wrong yet you NEVER bother to say why it is wrong....and of course you are completely incapable to suggest a better way to do things.
You need to work to change things for the better and not just constantly SCREAM criticisms that something is wrong. Positive suggestions are a far better way to go than just ALWAYS criticizing.
Think about it ...
Nah, be a GREAT American and give positive suggestions to make things better instead of doing NOTHIING but constantly criticizing. If criticizing is ALL you can do, and I see that is ALL you are ever doing, then right....just STFU.GOD BLESS AMERICA
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 09:01:55 Reply Private Reply
#31: Gatlin To: Deckard (#26)
Nope.I am a dedicated loyal American striving to Make America Great Again.
You are a blind BIASED libertarian not to see that.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 09:12:35 Reply Private Reply
#32: Hondo68 To: Gatlin (#30)
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-25 09:24:50 Reply Private Reply
#33: Deckard To: Gatlin (#30)
Doubling down on your fascism?
"While some people (like Gatlin) think that dissent is unpatriotic, I would argue that dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
Deckard posted on 2018-07-25 09:32:04 Reply Private Reply
#34: Deckard To: Gatlin (#30)
Oh, the Irony!!
Deckard posted on 2018-07-25 09:33:55 Reply Private Reply
#35: misterwhite To: Gatlin (#24)
The nice thing is, now out import tariffs will fund the bailout.
misterwhite posted on 2018-07-25 09:35:18 Reply Private Reply
#36: misterwhite To: Deckard (#33)
So, burning the American flag is the highest form of patriotism? Where does fighting and dying for one's country fit on your scale?
misterwhite posted on 2018-07-25 09:38:03 Reply Private Reply
#37: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, lying tater (#31)
What Lying Actually Does to Your Brain and Body Every Day
Each day, we make the same choice hundreds of times: whether to lie or tell the truth. It often happens without thinking, and we ignore the profound impact of these seemingly inconsequential decisions. Even the smallest lies can cost you money, impact your relationships, and affect your choices. Conversely, honesty offers many surprising psychological benefits. Here's how truth and lies affect your brain and your life every day.Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-25 09:57:58 Reply Private Reply
#38: VxH To: Gatlin (#0)
VxH posted on 2018-07-25 10:00:46 Reply Private Reply
#39: Deckard To: misterwhite (#36)
I suppose that is one form of dissent - completely legal according to SCOTUS rulings. There are many others.
Where does fighting and dying for one's country fit on your scale?
I served in the military, did you?
Deckard posted on 2018-07-25 10:03:17 Reply Private Reply
#40: Deckard To: hondo68 (#37)
Gatlin to hondo: We have sparred back and forth for some time now, but I always consider it just friendly debates. I never disliked you ... I sincerely wish the best for you in all your future endeavors throughout life.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-25 10:05:36 Reply Private Reply
#41: Gatlin To: Deckard (#27)
Trump is meting today with Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, at the White House.
The EU trades as a block. Juncker will be speaking for key EU leaders: Germanys Angela Merkel, Frances Emmanuel Macron, the Netherlands Mark Rutte, and Austrias Sebastian Kurz.
Trump has succeeded in bringing them to the table. It is obvious the EU wants to talk. Trump will probably take a token concessoin from them at this time since elections are coming up in Europe and then go to work on China.
We shall see ...
Do not....DO NOT....ever sell Trump short.
Some have done that and they have paid dearly for making that mistake.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 10:11:57 Reply Private Reply
#42: Gatlin To: Deckard, misterwhite (#39)
And did you enlist in the Air Force only as a means to avoid the draft?
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 10:16:07 Reply Private Reply
#43: misterwhite To: Deckard (#39)
Dissent, sure. But how do you conclude such dissent is the highest form of patriotism?
misterwhite posted on 2018-07-25 10:24:10 Reply Private Reply
#44: misterwhite To: Deckard (#39)
Irrelevant.
I'll ask again. If burning the American flag is the highest form of patriotism then where does fighting and dying for one's country fit on your scale? Right below that?
misterwhite posted on 2018-07-25 10:26:29 Reply Private Reply
#45: Deckard To: misterwhite (#44)
In other words, you didn't.
...where does fighting and dying for one's country fit on your scale?
Dying as a result of wars that are fought based on government lies doesn't seem all that "patriotic" to me.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-25 11:11:34 Reply Private Reply
#46: Gatlin To: Deckard, Everybody (#33)
I never said that holding of opinions at variance with those officially held is unpatriotic. I do believe that the use of malicious dissent merely to attack someone with whom you do not agree is absolutely wrong and serves no fruitful purpose.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" is often attributed to Thomas Jefferson, but to date no one has found evidence that he said or wrote this.Under certain circumstances, dissent can be a form of patriotism. Oh, I could even place it in a very high order of patriotism if it is appropriately applied. However, dissent in definitely NOT the highest form of patriotism.
What is the hihest form of patriotism?
The highest form of patriotism, as many great Americans see it, is to do something for your country.
And since Mark Twain (Sammy as we call him in family circles) was mentioned in an article: Think about it ...Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 11:23:39 Reply Private Reply
#47: Gatlin To: Deckard, misterhite (#45)
Your question is comoletely irrelevant and is a deflection from the question he ask you, which was:
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 11:29:51 Reply Private Reply
#48: Gatlin To: VxH, EVERYBODY, gross abuse and misuse of a Ronald Reagan quote (#38)
I shall do that now to show you, and others, the flagrant misuse.
The entire quote is:
Read those first four words out loud as I repost them here:In this present crisis ...
Those four words properly added gives a whole new meaning to the quote....doesnt it?
Feel free to post YES at this time.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 11:57:56 Reply Private Reply
#49: Gatlin To: Deckard (#34)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 12:00:02 Reply Private Reply
#50: Gatlin To: misterwhite (#35)
lol ...
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 12:02:20 Reply Private Reply
#51: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, US Air Force.gov, Reagan (#48)
Weren't you peeling potatoes for the US Canary Force at the time?
In a polite way Reagan was saying that gov employees like you, are a PITA & a threat to America's liberty and security!
IMO
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-25 12:32:03 Reply Private Reply
#52: Deckard To: Gatlin, VxH, hondo68 (#48)
You don't think the nation is in crisis now jackass?
You think more and bigger government is the solution?
Reagan was never a fan of big government like you are wont to portray him you ignorant clown.
Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. ~ Ronald Reagan
The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. ~ Ronald Reagan
Deckard posted on 2018-07-25 12:48:45 Reply Private Reply
#53: Gatlin To: Deckard (#52)
I said that you (I have seen you do it) and other prostitute the quote to fit your agenda by intentionally leaving off the first four word of the quote.
So, you need to stop with the DECEPTION
There ...
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 13:06:05 Reply Private Reply
#54: Gatlin To: Deckard (#52)
I said that you (I have seen you do it) and other prostitute the quote to fit your agenda by intentionally leaving off the first four word of the quote.
So, you need to stop with the DECEPTION.
There ...
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 13:10:02 Reply Private Reply
#55: Gatlin To: Deckard (#52)
The earliest attribution I can find for this quote is to the Sunday News Journal - February 1, 1976 Wilmington, Delaware, when Senator Edmund D. Muskie (D- Maine) told the U.S. Conference of Mayors in Chicago the three most common lies are, I put your check in the mail yesterday, I gave at the office and Im from the federal government and Im here to help you.
1 February 1976, Sunday News Journal - February 1, 1976 Wilmington, Deleware, pg. 9, col. 1:
This seems to be some 10 years before Reagan is first quoted as saying it.
Be all of this as it may, Reagan was wrong when he said: The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Actually, the most TERRIFYING words in the English language are: Im a Libertarian and the Market Will Save You.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-25 14:22:12 Reply Private Reply
#56: Deckard To: Gatlin (#55)
I suggest you go fuck yourself.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-25 16:40:10 Reply Private Reply