| Libertarians on Liberty’s Post now find it perfectly acceptable to pursue the tyrannical practice of blacklisting anyone whose words offend their delicate sensibilities.
Unfortunately these narrow-minded individuals do not realize that the best remedy to validate their political ideology is to catechize remarks that disparage it by subjecting them to the crucible of open debate and rational inspection. Libertarians continually fail to show tolerance and adhere to cherished “libertarian” values while abdicating all confidence that their ideas will handily defeat opposition to their philosophy. Libertarians propose the impossible and internally contradictory notion that they can support their cause with the angry suppression of free speech from anyone who speaks against them. They feel the remedy for comments and ideas they oppose is not the free and open debates of civil society, but a need to resort to Orwellian speech codes of an authoritarian dictatorship. Here, again, libertarians reveal their philosophy is a radical departure from a normal society and their unique iteration of fascism shares many of its historical and ideological roots. Freedom of speech is arguably a most cherished value and the bedrock of a genuinely free society. The entire process of education and the freedom to challenge ideas is, and must be, predicated on unbridled freedom of speech and expression. Without this most cherished freedom, supporting and challenging ideas cannot be examined and assessed for their value and we will therefore live in a benighted world in which ideas are lost forever….flushed down the memory hole as too dangerous or offensive to the dainty sensibilities of libertarians who find these words offend them. The validity of libertarian notions has been questioned and a morally consistent application of libertarian premises has been challenged in order to show why libertarians are mistaken about what their ideal requires. Libertarians generally defend the ideal of freedom from the perspective of how little one is constrained. Yet pragmatic criticisms of libertarianism now go unanswered because libertarians have moved to silence free speech. Sad, but so understandably predictable based on their rhetoric and actions. Most of us aren’t defeated in one decisive battle. We are defeated in one tiny, seemingly insignificant surrender at a time that chips away at who we really should be.Pathetic … |
Libertarians on Libertys Post suppress dissent Sad.
| Source: | None |
| Published: | Jul 15, 2018 |
| Author: | Gatlin |
| Post Date: | 2018-07-15 06:51:33 by Gatlin |
| Views: | 46188 |
#79: Liberator To: VxH (#76)
Why just now is someone in the GOP demanding the indictment of Hitlery?? It's truly amazing to watch factions of Republican Party openly collude with the Dems to openly take down America and the President.
Liberator posted on 2018-07-17 13:47:49 Reply Private Reply
#80: VxH To: Liberator (#79)
Pssst:
"Published on Aug 11, 2016"
Meanwhile, in Banana Land:
I guess some folks just underestimated (D)onald's tribal affinity, or something.
VxH posted on 2018-07-17 14:02:38 Reply Private Reply
#81: Gatlin To: Liberator, VxH, Stoner, Deckard, hondo68, Everyone (#79)
Secondly, you say that Rand Paul “SAID” it.
Wow!!!
So, because the “almighty” Rand Paul said it….then it is absolutely verified to be FACTUAL and completely believed beyond a shadow of a doubt?
Uh, I don’t think so.
The answer to the rhetorical question I posed is an unmitigated and resounding, HELL NO !!!
Rand Paul was duped….you hear me, duped…. as were a few other people.
Snopes and others have shown this rumor not to be true. Knowing you will never believe Snopes, then let’s go to another source that you also may or may not believe, The New York Times:
The libertarian senator claims John McCain was pictured with the jihadists, even though that's been proven false.
In an interview with The Daily Beast on Tuesday, Sen. Rand Paul discussed the war against ISIS—and in doing so, repeated a thoroughly debunked rumor about John McCain palling around with the Islamic extremist group. Needless to say, a certain famously hot-tempered five-term senator and former presidential candidate was not at all amused.
“Here’s the problem,” Paul told The Daily Beast. “He [McCain] did meet with ISIS, and had his picture taken, and didn’t know it was happening at the time. That really shows you the quandary of determining who are the moderates and who aren’t. If you don’t speak Arabic, and you don’t understand that some people will lie to you—I really think that we don’t have a good handle on who are the moderates and who aren’t, and I think the objective evidence is that the ones doing most of the fighting and most of the battles among the rebels in Syria are the radical Islamists.”
Here’s the other problem: The rumor that McCain met with ISIS in northern Syria in May 2013 has been proven false. As reported by The New York Times, pictures of McCain meeting with members of the Free Syrian Army—who have historically opposed ISIS—have been seized upon by conspiracy theorists and McCain skeptics, some of whom have gone as far as to photoshop McCain pinning a medal on the chest of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Emboldening believers is the fact that McCain sometimes misspeaks, like on Monday evening on Fox News, when he asked "Has Rand Paul ever been to Syria? Has he ever met with ISIS?"
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John McCain 1 / Rand Paul 0.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-17 15:04:36 Reply Private Reply
#82: Gatlin To: VxH (#75)
Adjective
ass hole
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-17 15:17:59 Reply Private Reply
#83: VxH To: Gatlin (#81)
{ shrug } I guess Omar Ibrahim al-Deeb didn't get the memo.
‘Disappeared’ Muslim Brotherhood member re-emerges with ISIS
https://thearabweekly.com/disappeared-muslim-brotherhood- member-re-emerges-isis
VxH posted on 2018-07-17 16:14:49 Reply Private Reply
#84: VxH To: Gatlin (#82)
A while back I worked with a drunk who, every year at our company Christmas party, used to love telling the story about how he called Robert Redford an "asshole" when he was assigned a seat next to RR on a plane.
I explained that RR was simply responding to the disingenuous way he asked for RR's autograph; and raised the possibility that maybe RR wasn't the real asshole in his seating section.
The Drunk never told that story at our Christmas party again.
YMMV!
VxH posted on 2018-07-17 16:48:50 Reply Private Reply
#85: CZ82 To: Gatlin (#46)
No? Then I must be thinking of he incident where you claimed you could shut the website down anytime you wanted, my mistake.
CZ82 posted on 2018-07-17 18:59:56 Reply Private Reply
#86: Gatlin To: CZ82 (#85)
That was buckeroo who said he could do that…..I remember that really well.
He actually did it late one night when we were the only two on the forum.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-17 19:34:22 Reply Private Reply
#87: GrandIsland To: CZ82 (#85)
That M. O. belongs to Ba ba ba Bucky the stupid Fucky. Not Gatlin.
I’d like to point out you hobknob with Buckster and all the paultards. What you just did to Gatlin is piss on him, then tell him it’s raining. Another M.O. of paultards
GrandIsland posted on 2018-07-17 19:40:20 Reply Private Reply
#88: CZ82 To: Gatlin (#55)
You sure about that?
Don't you recognize Mouaz Moustafa (on the far right in your pic) who is the head of the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF)? HINT: Which BTW is part of the Muslim Brotherhood.
CZ82 posted on 2018-07-17 19:44:07 Reply Private Reply
#89: CZ82 To: Gatlin, buckeroo (#86)
Not. It was when she was away on vacation or lying dead on the floor of her abode, one or the other. And I very clearly remember telling you and the Canaries you were all full of shit and then your backpedaling started and "magically" LP stayed online, go figure.
Why didn't you ping Bucky to this so he could comment? (That could be amusing).
You know I just got to thinking didn't Stone close out all of your other logons you had here? Wasn't it about 10-15 or so? You still have the 7 bozos I gave you or has Stone done you a favor and gotten rid of them?
CZ82 posted on 2018-07-17 19:49:57 Reply Private Reply
#90: CZ82 To: GrandIsland, buckeroo (#87)
By the way why don't you ask buckeroo how many times I've posted to him over the years, 10 times maybe...
CZ82 posted on 2018-07-17 20:11:25 Reply Private Reply
#91: CZ82 To: Gatlin (#55)
CZ82 posted on 2018-07-17 20:44:50 Reply Private Reply
#92: GrandIsland To: CZ82 (#90)
Wow... that was a quick denial from you... but you’ve always been paultard connected by way of agreeing with them all. Even if you’ve only agreed with Ba ba ba Fucky 10 times.
GrandIsland posted on 2018-07-17 21:26:38 Reply Private Reply
#93: Gatlin To: CZ82 (#88)
Yes, he is.
Actually, Mouaz Moustafa is SETF’s executive-director and he is a former field organizer for the U.S. Democratic National Committee and previously served as executive-director of the Libyan Council of North America.
I don’t know where you are getting that information.Can you please provide the URL source?
Here is the information I have:
The Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF) is a United States-based organization that advocates for the armed overthrow of the government of Syria. It first gained widespread public attention in the wake of the Elizabeth O'Bagy resume padding scandal; O'Bagy had served as a paid lobbyist for the group. The group's primary activity is advocating for U.S. military involvement in the Syrian Civil War through congressional office visits, media awareness campaigns, and organizing junkets for key U.S. foreign policy decisionmakers.[1] According to SETF, it is also committed to supporting the overthrow of the government of Cuba;[2] a statement co-signed by it and the Florida-based Cuban exile organization "Assembly of the Resistance" declared it would work for "the overthrow of the dictatorial regimes of Assad and Castro."[3]
SETF is indirectly funded by the U.S. State Department through contracting firms including Chemonics and Creative Associates International.[4]
SETF officials - including Moustafa and Chesley - have been widely cited in media reports on the Syrian Civil War and have been influential in advising United States policymakers on issues related to Syria. According to the group, SETF staff have held meetings with more than two-thirds of the membership of the U.S. Congress and have organized junkets for members of congress to visit selected regions in northern Syria.[2]
In 2013, an op-ed by political director Elizabeth O'Bagy was cited by Senator John McCain and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry during congressional hearings on possible U.S. military involvement in the Syrian Civil War.[11] O'Bagy was subsequently hired by McCain as a legislative assistant in the Arizona senator's Washington, D.C. office.
It is your “allegation” and it is your charge to “prove” it.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-17 22:31:30 Reply Private Reply
#94: Gatlin To: CZ82, A K A Stone, CZ82 has a question for your (#89)
Why didn’t YOU ping Stone so he could answer that question.
I will ping Stone for you now….then you can ask him.
There you go …Gatlin posted on 2018-07-17 23:00:45 Reply Private Reply
#95: Gatlin To: CZ82 (#91)
Is the meme the one you use to masturbate with, or do you atill have an old photo of Hillary you use?
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-17 23:06:32 Reply Private Reply
#96: Gatlin To: CZ82 (#88)
I found this;
That is not surprising thought.
How are you coming on proving that it is?
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-17 23:32:33 Reply Private Reply
#97: nolu chan To: Stoner, Tooconservative, Deckard, Gatlin (#22)
FYI, the Liberty Post archives are still there.
nolu chan posted on 2018-07-17 23:41:32 Reply Private Reply
#98: Hondo68 To: nolu chan, redacted, censored, revisionist history, buckeroo, Fred Mertz (#97)
It's revisionist history, censored to protect the guilty.
The yukon canary story - redacted
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-18 00:00:56 Reply Private Reply
#99: nolu chan To: hondo68 (#98)
The internet lives forever.
Just so you do not feel cheated.
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March 27th was a Sunday.
yukon posted the article on LP at 2011-03-27 01:39:54 ET
Less than a minute later, yukon on LP posted to Goldi, "I used the wrong link" at 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
It was on TPF at 2011-03-27 11:50:22 [dead site]
It was on F4um at 2011-03-27 13:14:48
It was all over LF at 2011-03-27 17:03:49
https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19063
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http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19110&Disp=0
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http://the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=23395 [dead site]
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nolu chan posted on 2018-07-18 01:13:29 Reply Private Reply
#100: Gatlin To: VxH (#84)
I get it …
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-18 05:05:19 Reply Private Reply
#101: Gatlin To: VxH (#83)
Your post here is unimportant to the discussion at hand. “Raised questions” but unanswered are in no way useful to what is being discussed.
Run along now and come back to join in the discussion when you can keep with what is being discussed and have some “pertinent and factual information” to share.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-18 05:22:09 Reply Private Reply
#102: VxH To: Gatlin (#100)
Doesn't leave much bandwidth headroom for getting anything else, does it.
VxH posted on 2018-07-18 12:30:29 Reply Private Reply
#103: Gatlin To: CZ82, GrandIsland (#90)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-19 02:13:44 Reply Private Reply
#104: buckeroo To: CZ82, GrandIsland (#90)
I do not keep score of such matters. You can use the search routines built into LF for such matters. I am more interested about quality of opinion, that is to say, original poster opinion.
buckeroo posted on 2018-07-19 23:03:04 Reply Private Reply
#105: CZ82 To: Gatlin (#93)
My allegation? All I said was he's a Brotherhood member that's how he got started and he runs the SETF. Which would make that organization basically part of them since a member is running it and so are most of the folks on the SETFs Board of Trustees (yes they have one surprisingly enough). Maybe you should do a little research on that Board of Trustees it should be quite enlightening as to who's in bed with who.
So it doesn't sound like you're trying very hard to find his early history or that of the SETF, bta I would imagine some people would like that to remain hidden from public view, like maybe how some in the Republican party have been working with them just as much as the Dims have.
Maybe you should look into GWBs history/ties with the oil business, I'd think you'd find ties to the Muslim Brotherhood in Talat Othman and some with George Soros.
CZ82 posted on 2018-07-21 08:47:08 Reply Private Reply
#106: CZ82 To: Gatlin (#95)
Here this should help you figure out what some of your issues are.
http://treating-borderline-personality.weebly.com/psychological-projection- facts-you-should-know.html
CZ82 posted on 2018-07-21 09:03:21 Reply Private Reply
#107: CZ82 To: Gatlin (#94)
I did not say 7 times, think about it.
CZ82 posted on 2018-07-21 09:04:31 Reply Private Reply
#108: CZ82 To: Gatlin (#94)
More/less?
You don't seem to be too proud of your past, having your own little echo chamber of sock puppets parroting what you claimed/said. To tell you the truth it was hilarious cause it was so obvious, especially when they slobbered too much.
CZ82 posted on 2018-07-21 09:14:48 Reply Private Reply
#109: Gatlin To: CZ82 (#105)
Look, asshole. I caught you in lying. Mouaz Moustafa is not and never was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Furthermore...you still have been unable to provide any photos of McCain with member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Looks like we are finished here unless you can come up with some positive evidence and stop with the “allegations” and “basically” shit.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-21 09:33:07 Reply Private Reply
#110: Gatlin To: CZ82 (#106)
Ah, the old ad hominem attack.
The last resort when all else has failed you.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-21 11:10:39 Reply Private Reply
#111: Deckard To: Gatlin. CZ82, hondo68 (#109)
All evidence to the contrary.
Speaker Paul Ryan Embraces Top Muslim Brotherhood Lobbyist
Ryan and Mouaz Moustafa are on the same page when it comes to Syria
...the Muslim Brotherhood has an extremely powerful lobbying arm in the U.S. Perhaps the most prominent face of that arm is a man named Mouaz Moustafa, head of the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF).
Here is a photo of Moustafa with Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI):
Speaker Ryan (L) and Muslim Brotherhood operative Mouaz Moustafa (R)
Prior to leading the SETF, Moustafa led the Libyan Emergency Task Force (LETF), which had removing Gadhafi as its primary goal. Prior to that Moustafa worked for the Muslim Brotherhood opposition in Egypt.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-21 11:20:23 Reply Private Reply
#112: Gatlin To: CZ82, A K A Stone (#107)
You specifically stated in your Post #89: Now, YOU think about it.
My question stands, which was: Why would you bozo me 7 times?
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-21 11:21:04 Reply Private Reply
#113: Deckard To: Gatlin (#112)
Little more than one year later and just 90 days before the Benghazi attacks, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) sent a letter to the Inspector’s General office of the State Department. In that letter, Bachmann raised legitimate concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood connections of very close Hillary Clinton adviser Huma Abedin. It was John McCain who further implicated himself in the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood by defending Abedin and denouncing Bachmann, as Shoebat.com has reported.
Source
Deckard posted on 2018-07-21 11:33:34 Reply Private Reply
#114: Gatlin To: Deckard, CZ82 (#111)
Well, “working for” in no way means a “member of.”
Mouaz Moustafa worked for the US Congress.
So, in your mind and using your applied rational, did working for Congress make Mouaz Moustafa a member of the US Congress?
Get fucking real, asshole!!!
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-21 11:42:38 Reply Private Reply
#115: Gatlin To: Deckard (#113)
We are still discussing Stoner’s erroneous allegation that there are photos of McCain with members of the “Muslim Brotherhood.”
We are NOT discussing what McCain did, or did not, do concerning the allegation that “hundreds of rifles were “sent from Benghazi to Misrata”.
You want to bring this in for discussion...then start another thread.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-21 11:52:15 Reply Private Reply
#116: Deckard To: Gatlin (#115)
Not surprising that you continue to deny McCain's (and Ryan's) involvement with the Muslim Brotherhood.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-21 12:20:31 Reply Private Reply
#117: Hondo68 To: Deckard, Gatlin. CZ82, Paul Ryan. Muslim Brotherhood (#111)
Note the crazed jihadi look in his eyes.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-21 12:22:06 Reply Private Reply
#118: Deckard To: Gatlin (#114)
Why would a "patriotic" American (like you claim McCain is) denounce a member of his own party (Michelle Bachmann) for raising concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood and then turn around and support Hillary aide Huma Abedin?
Deckard posted on 2018-07-21 12:26:41 Reply Private Reply
#119: Gatlin To: Deckard (#116)
I merely challenged Stoner’s lie when he stated that McCain appeared in photos with members of the Muslim Brotherhood.
No asshole [you, Stoner, CZ82, or hondo] has been able to produce any such photos.
Now out of embarrassment, you are trying to redirect to a different subject.
Pathetic …
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-21 12:48:09 Reply Private Reply
#120: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#117)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-21 12:50:53 Reply Private Reply
#121: Gatlin To: Deckard (#118)
Where are the DAMNED photos?
Stay on TOPIC.
You posed and Irrational and meaningless question for which there is no possible answer. I have never claimed that McCain is a “patriotic” American. You really need to stop making up shit, hondo….uh, I mean Deckard.Gatlin posted on 2018-07-21 12:58:45 Reply Private Reply
#122: Deckard To: Gatlin, hondo68 (#120)
Attaboy simpleton.
Paul Ryan - Beard
So all of these images are "Photoshopped"?
Good grief!!
Deckard posted on 2018-07-21 13:05:38 Reply Private Reply
#123: Deckard To: Gatlin (#121)
You frickin' assclown.
How much more evidence do you need.
The pictures have been posted.
That you continue to deny McCain's traitorous alliances speaks volumes about your grasp of reality.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-21 13:08:03 Reply Private Reply
#124: Gatlin To: Deckard (#122)
Not the beard, asshole….the “crazed jihadi look in Ryan’s eyes.”
No! All imagers of Ryan with a beard ar not photoshopped.
Only the one with the “crazed” eyes….so far.
Speaking of crazed….you definitely have a crazed deductive rational.
Good Lord!
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-21 13:14:17 Reply Private Reply
#125: Gatlin To: Deckard (#123)
No photos of McCain with members of the Muslim Brotherhood have ever been posted anywhere.
Stop your LYING and try to post here and now, a link of any alleged photo showing McCain with members of the Muslim Brotherhood.
You CANNOT….because there are NONE.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-21 13:22:12 Reply Private Reply
#126: Hondo68 To: Gatlin (#124)
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-21 13:31:38 Reply Private Reply
#127: Deckard To: hondo68 (#126)
Too late - he's gone way off the deep end defending terrorist enabler McCain on this thread.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-21 13:41:03 Reply Private Reply
#128: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#126)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-21 13:50:25 Reply Private Reply