AUBURN, Ind. (WPTA21) An Auburn church with a controversial message on a sign has been forced out of their building.
ABC21 reached a church member by phone Saturday who confirmed the news.

On Wednesday, June 27, Remnant Fellowship Church in Auburn posted a sign reading, LGBTQ is a hate crime against God. Repent.
When asked whether or not the church has plans to relocate, the church member had no comment.
ABC21 previously spoke with a pastor of Remnant Fellowship, who said at the time their message is an attempt to reach young people and steer them away from a lifestyle they believe is harmful to them.
The church maintains it is not intolerant of others beliefs, but that its finding those on the other side of this issue are intolerant of the beliefs of Remnant Fellowship Church.
http://www.wpta21.com/story/38592321/church-who-posted-anti-lgbt-sign-is-forced-out-of-building
#1: jeremiad To: Deckard (#0)
This would seem to be a tailor made case for a lawsuit.
jeremiad posted on 2018-07-08 23:10:06 Reply Private Reply
#2: Liberator To: Deckard (#0)
Should be in YUGE NEON.
Private property.
Exactly WHO "forced out" this church from the building?? By whose authoritah?
Since when are mobs allowed to violate the the 1A as well as censor God's Word?
Liberator posted on 2018-07-09 12:29:08 Reply Private Reply
#3: Deckard To: Liberator (#2)
I wonder if the sign had read: LGBTQ is a
hate crimeSIN against God. Repent. if there would have been as much of an outcry. You know that dark days are ahead when churches are not allowed to preach or post God's word.Deckard posted on 2018-07-09 12:49:53 Reply Private Reply
#4: Gatlin To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#3)
The man owns the property the church uses. He has the ABSOLUTE right to send them packing anytime he wants to as long as he does not violate any laws. Say THAT aint so....GO ON.
Libertarians are virtually defined by their commitment to both liberty and rights of private property. Say THAT aint so....GO ON.
You libertarians continually vacillate on your positions and change them at any reason on the slightest whim....Say THAT aint so....GO ON.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-09 13:22:31 Reply Private Reply
#5: GrandIsland To: Liberator (#2)
Gatlin states the owner of the building evicted the church. If that truly is the case, I do believe the private owner of any home, business or structure, should be allowed to evict anyone from the premises, for any reason.
The church was foolish to set up shop in a building they dont own
GrandIsland posted on 2018-07-09 20:26:01 Reply Private Reply
#6: Deckard To: Gatlin (#4)
No surprise to see you support this bullshit. Gatlin - LF's GLBTQ cheerleader and God hater.
You libertarians are such God Damned asshole hypocrites.
Gatlin is angry my friends - like an old man trying to send back soup at a deli.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-10 10:07:16 Reply Private Reply
#7: nolu chan To: Gatlin, Deckard, GrandIsland, Liberator (#4)
But there are laws.
https://law.justia.com/codes/indiana/2014/title-32/article-31/chapter-1/
Indiana Landlord-Tenant Relations, IC 32-31
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https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/the-eviction-process-indiana-rules-landlords-property-managers.html
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https://www.buildium.com/laws/indiana-eviction-process/
nolu chan posted on 2018-07-10 10:55:20 Reply Private Reply
#8: Gatlin To: Deckard (#6)
You are incoherent again. How can I be a GLBTQ cheerleader and support the property owners right to kick the church out for supporting them? You are one dumbass who cannot properly express himself. You statement was contradictory.
Respecting property rights in not hating God. Did you know that private property has biblical roots? It does, though many people dont realize it. Deuteronomy 5:21 commands: You [the Remnant Fellowship Church in Auburn] shall not set your desire [that the LGBTQ community repent because they feel it is a hate crome against God] on your neighbors house or land [the owner of the building and land] or anything that belongs to your neighbor [the property owner] where the sign was posted].
You are so wrong. The expletive I used was not a resultant cause of anger, I used it because swearing actually increased my pain tolerance level for you, your ignorant rational and your flip-flop on libertarianism principles. It may surprise you to learn that researchers have determined that swearing can have a pain-lessening effect, according to new study.Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 12:25:19 Reply Private Reply
#9: Deckard To: Gatlin (#8)
libertarians believe in freedom of speech.
In this case - the church has had their First Amendment rights violated.
Did you know that private property has biblical roots? It does, though many people dont realize it. Deuteronomy 5:21 commands:
You're not fooling anyone with your fake piety Spanky.
Maybe you should read nolu's post:
You cannot discriminate on the basis of a tenants status as a member of a protected class. In Indiana, these protected classes are:
Deckard posted on 2018-07-10 12:48:42 Reply Private Reply
#10: Liberator To: Deckard (#3)
Dark Days indeed.
"Crime", "sin" -- ONLY the Left it seems are THE Arbiter of the English Language, of 1A Free Speech. Notice they did NOT incite violence.
And now, apparently the Word of God must be censored.
How is it the US GUMMINT can cite or parrot now legal terms like "Hate Crime" and "Hate Speech" but the citizenry can't?
The solid line in the sand is getting drawn.
Liberator posted on 2018-07-10 12:53:27 Reply Private Reply
#11: Liberator To: Major Sponge Bob (#4)
Liberator posted on 2018-07-10 12:55:41 Reply Private Reply
#12: Deckard To: Gatlin (#8)
The property owner discriminated against the church for its biblical, anti-LGBTQ beliefs.
You support the property owner saying he has the right to kick them out because of those beliefs.
Ergo - you support the LGBTQ agenda.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-10 12:57:09 Reply Private Reply
#13: Liberator To: GrandIsland (#5)
"ANY" reason could well be because the landlord is Homo-ACLU and you are a cop. And HATE COPS. Yeah -- even if you're retired.
Tell me the day after you and you family move into a home and signed a year's lease you'd be fine with any law that allows the cop-hater to throw you and your family on your keister?
Eviction for "ANY reason" just not reasonable, fair, or right.
Liberator posted on 2018-07-10 13:01:49 Reply Private Reply
#14: Liberator To: Deckard, Comrade SpongeBob (#12)
Of course he/it does.
Gatin is a Commie-fascist. That's no secret.
Liberator posted on 2018-07-10 13:03:20 Reply Private Reply
#15: Liberator To: nolu chan, Deckard (#7)
The Landlord is a Commie-Fascist, an ACLU-supporting HOMO who is a Drama Queen. He it called a local Tee-Bee station (ABC) -- who was only too happy to "report" it.
Now watch the ACLU or SPLC (OR certain LF Poster) file a "Hate-Crime" against the church tenants.
Liberator posted on 2018-07-10 13:08:23 Reply Private Reply
#16: Deckard To: Liberator (#10)
You know, I think that the reason the LGBTQ crowd is so angry when someone challenges them with God's Word is that deep down inside - they know on some level that it's the truth. At least I think many of them do.
All of them have been deceived into believing all the crapola propaganda being pushed by the mainstream media (and the government I might add) for at least the past 3 decades.
Still - they only make up, what - 5% of the population? How did we get to the point where a tiny minority is controlling the message and the dialogue?
Opposing the Transgender Movement
Deckard posted on 2018-07-10 13:08:44 Reply Private Reply
#17: Liberator To: Deckard (#16)
HOW??
Homo-fascists eventually infested most major institutions and businesses at the top -- including especially ACADEMIA and COURTS. One way was through AA. And their fake "tolerance" mantra.
They also took over Hollywood, the MSM, and social media. So that's how easily 5% can control the message, dialogue and agenda.
Liberator posted on 2018-07-10 13:14:05 Reply Private Reply
#18: Stoner To: GrandIsland (#5)
Yep !!
The church members should pony up and buy their own property !!
Stoner posted on 2018-07-10 13:17:18 Reply Private Reply
#19: Liberator To: Deckard (#16)
I totally agree.
Condemnation & Misery love company.
Liberator posted on 2018-07-10 13:18:00 Reply Private Reply
#20: Liberator To: Stoner, GrandIsland (#18)
Some churches can't afford to buy a building. Come on, man.
And by the way -- is THIS the real issue here?
Liberator posted on 2018-07-10 13:19:15 Reply Private Reply
#21: Gatlin To: nolu chan (#7)
Different headlines state the church was forced out, kicked out and evicted. We do know that reporters like to sensationalize the headlines to their stories to click-bait readers, What we dont know is the true story of why the church left the property. The property owner was never interviewed in any of the many articles and nowhere did it state he declined to be interviewed. Which probably means that nobody even contacted him.
This was not just a little sign. It was one of those very large signs curbside where letters can be changed. One article stated there was much controversy in the community with some speaking out that the sign should be removed and others saying the sign should stay. As I said, we dont know the true and complete story here. Speculation could be that the property owner simply asked the church to leave and they agreed to do so. It can only surmised that if a law were broken, then reporters would have been ALL over this story even today with it still making new headlines.
A similar story:
Anti-gay pastor will have to relocate his church after praising murder of Orlando victims.
Decision comes after Pastor Roger Jimenez preached he was upset the Orlando shooter "didn't finish the job."
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 13:23:28 Reply Private Reply
#22: Gatlin To: Deckard (#9)
Do libertarians notoriously, condemn as unrightfully, any interference with private property?
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 13:31:47 Reply Private Reply
#23: Gatlin To: Deckard (#9)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 13:37:26 Reply Private Reply
#24: Gatlin To: Deckard (#9)
No fake piety, here....continue to read my posts and I will educate you.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 13:41:38 Reply Private Reply
#25: Deckard To: Gatlin (#24)
That wasn't the point - itr's your hypocritical fake piety that's the issue.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-10 13:47:10 Reply Private Reply
#26: Gatlin To: Deckard, nolu chan (#9)
You do not know the reason the church no longer occupies the building. We cannot eliminate the possibility that the lease had expired and the landlord chose not to renew it because of th controversy the sign caused in the community. There are many other explainable possibilities for the lawful removal of the church from the property.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 13:47:16 Reply Private Reply
#27: Deckard To: Gatlin (#26)
Nothing "lawful" about it.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-10 13:50:45 Reply Private Reply
#28: Stoner To: Liberator (#20)
Well, if they own their own property, no one can evict them. If they want it, they will find a way.
I have seen small congregation church groups start small, grow and build up. It can be done!
Stoner posted on 2018-07-10 13:55:39 Reply Private Reply
#29: Liberator To: Stoner (#28)
I agree, but sometimes it takes TIME.
Until then the fellowship and Gospel must be preached.
Liberator posted on 2018-07-10 14:01:39 Reply Private Reply
#30: Gatlin To: Deckard (#27)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 14:11:22 Reply Private Reply
#31: Gatlin To: Everyone (#30)
Generally, no. The Bill of Rights provides protection for individual liberty from actions by government officials. This is called the state-action doctrine. Private property is not government-owned. Restrictions on individuals free-speech rights on private property do not involve state action.
However, a few states have interpreted their own state constitutions to provide even greater free-speech protection than the federal Constitution offers. For example, the New Jersey Supreme Court has ruled that individuals have free-speech rights at privately owned shopping malls. Most state supreme courts that have examined the issue have disagreed. In April 2002, the Iowa Supreme Court refused to extend its definition of public property to include large, privately owned shopping malls.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 14:12:01 Reply Private Reply
#32: Deckard To: Gatlin (#31)
Irrelevant.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-10 14:16:56 Reply Private Reply
#33: nolu chan To: Gatlin, Deckard (#30)
Perhaps not. It may be fake news to the extent that it did not happen as described.
It appears impossible that they were lawfully evicted unless some special unmentioned provision was applicable.
See at #7:
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/the-eviction-process-indiana-rules-landlords-property-managers.html
nolu chan posted on 2018-07-10 14:24:28 Reply Private Reply
#34: Gatlin To: Deckard (#25)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 14:24:30 Reply Private Reply
#35: Gatlin To: nolu chan (#33)
I would rather not arrive at a conclusion based on appearances.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 14:29:17 Reply Private Reply
#36: Gatlin To: Deckard (#32)
You stand corrected.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 14:33:29 Reply Private Reply
#37: nolu chan To: Gatlin, Deckard (#35)
Actually, your proffer of "many other explainable possibilities for the lawful removal of the church from the property," offers what appear to be explanations impossible to be lawful. As documented at my #7 and #23, Eviction is by a law enforcement officer and "can only happen after a landlord has won an eviction lawsuit against the tenant."
As documented below, a lawsuit can be brought only after the landlord gives notice to the tenant of the tenant's noncompliance with IC-32-32-7, Chapter 7, and the tenant has been given a reasonable amount of time to remedy the noncomplaince.
The article asserts the sign was posted on June 27th. There is simply no physical time for the landlord to have given notification of a violation, and reasonable time for a remedy to have expired, and an eviction lawsuit to have been brought, and an eviction to have lawfully taken place.
It is possible that the landlord told the tenant they were no longer welcome and they chose to leave, but then they would not have been "been forced out of their building," which is the lead claim of the article.
nolu chan posted on 2018-07-10 17:01:46 Reply Private Reply
#38: Gatlin To: nolu chan (#37)
I believe there is such a thing. I would think that generally it means two parties of sound mind and comprehension, agree in tandem to a contract that can be verbal or written. So mutual consent can relate to anything with such a general definition. I would think, however, to have a "contract" or agreement between two parties that engages the construct of mutual consent, both parties have to be of a minimum age of majority and have a mental level of understanding of what their actual agreement pertains and the consequences.
Does that sound about right?
I amy be wrong, but you seem to be working on the supposition that the headline in the article is correct and the church was illegally forced out of the building.
While as I said, I dont like to work from appearances (or suppositions) and would rather wait until there is enough verifiable information available for me to make a conclusion.
I really prefer not to deal with appearances or suppositions. Therefore, I have a News Alert notice for further news on this matter and I will keep you posted and should I learn anything new that is of interest. I ask that you please do the same for me. Thank you.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-10 19:05:32 Reply Private Reply
#39: nolu chan To: Gatlin (#38)
Nope, it is pure speculation that the church was forced out of the building, legally or illegally. The WANE source offers no support for the claim made, citing to WANE.
It appears that the church may have been asked to vacate and they chose to leave.
It appears they did not make a contract but terminated a contract, by mutual consent.
You cannot go through the legal process and get them evicted as quickly as this claims. It can take months to overcome tenant rights and obtain a court order for eviction. See the case of the serial squatters below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDXnBcCvkOc
http://www.kxii.com/content/news/Couple-evicted-numerous-times-trying-to-now-manipulate-Texoma-realtors-455956563.html
nolu chan posted on 2018-07-11 01:33:56 Reply Private Reply
#40: Gatlin To: nolu chan (#39)
From the lack of available information, it may be that both parties just want this embarrassment to go away .never to be heard about again. I say this because of a couple of things I have read including the fact that the church took down their Facebook page. They were being hit on pretty hard by activists.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-11 06:32:53 Reply Private Reply
#41: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#4)
Did they have a lease?
Also faggots have zero rights.
A K A Stone posted on 2018-07-11 07:06:03 Reply Private Reply
#42: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#41)
So, it appears they did not have a lease.
I understand your sentiment. I am in no way a LGBTQ supporter. I am a Christian and believe in the Scripture condemning their practice. I entered into the discussion only with an interest in lawful property rights.Gatlin posted on 2018-07-11 07:32:44 Reply Private Reply
#43: Stoner To: Liberator (#29)
True. Until they can acquire a property of their own, they can have fellowship and preach the Gospel in their living room, at a park bench, or where ever.
If they have the will, God will guide them !
Stoner posted on 2018-07-11 10:36:10 Reply Private Reply
#44: VxH To: jeremiad (#1)
Evidently the Zionists in New Bolostan didn't get that memo.
They legalized Sodomy in 1963.
https://www.google.com/search? q=Israel+Legalized+Sodomy+in+1963
VxH posted on 2018-07-11 12:14:43 Reply Private Reply
#45: nolu chan To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#42)
I have no reason to believe they did not have a lease or rental contract. When asked to vacate, it would ordinarily entail a termination of any lease or rental contract. The departing church would not be obligated to continue to make monthly payments.
The vacating of the premises appears to have been a mutual, if not amicable, decision. There is just insufficient time for the process of forced eviction.
It is possible that the church was an at will tenant, occupying the premises without a contract, and could be evicted by the owner upon required notification without a reason required. However, Indiana IC-32-31-1-1 requires, "A tenancy at will may be determined by a one (1) month notice in writing, delivered to the tenant." The timing involved in the instant case did not allow for a one month notice.
nolu chan posted on 2018-07-11 18:54:41 Reply Private Reply
#46: Gatlin To: nolu chan (#45)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-11 22:06:17 Reply Private Reply