| DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) A federal appeals court on Friday upheld the convictions of three top staffers on Ron Paul's 2012 presidential campaign who were found guilty of arranging for money to be funneled through a vendor to an influential Iowa state senator who dropped his support for another Republican candidate in favor of Paul.
Campaign chairman Jesse Benton, campaign manager John Tate and deputy campaign manager Dimitri Kesari were convicted in 2016 of causing false records to be filed, causing false campaign expenditure reports, engaging in a false statements scheme and conspiring to commit the offenses. Kesari was sentenced to three months in prison while the other two got probation. They have completed their sentences but are seeking to clear the felony convictions from their records. The three argued that they broke no laws when they paid a video production company, which passed on $73,000 to then-Iowa state Sen. Kent Sorenson, who withdrew his support from Michele Bachmann and backed Paul six days before the 2012 Iowa caucuses. Sorenson also was convicted in the scheme and sentenced to 15 months in prison. He was released in April. Benton, Tate and Kesari contend that campaigns pay vendors who pass money on to subcontractors all the time and there's nothing illegal about it. Prosecutors said it was illegal to cause the campaign to file inaccurate documents to try to hide that Sorensen was paid for a campaign endorsement. A three-member panel of the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis on Friday upheld the rulings and conclusions of Judge John Jarvey, finding no reversible errors and that there is ample evidence to uphold their convictions. The men argued that Jarvey erred in denying their motions to dismiss the charges and for a new trial. They also challenged the judge's rulings on jury instructions and certain evidence. Among the things they challenged was whether prosecutors could apply a federal financial fraud false reporting statute to campaign expenditure reports and whether that violation falls under the jurisdiction of the Federal Election Commission. The appeals court concluded that "the production of false financial records by a political campaign falls within that framework." The judges also concluded that the FEC does have jurisdiction over campaign expenditures and the authority to establish penalties for false reporting. "I think there's a danger this opinion criminalizes some very normal activity on political campaigns," said Kesari's attorney, Jesse Ryan Binnall. "And now people on campaigns have a very real concern that if for whatever reason somebody in the Department of Justice doesn't like them, that they could pursue criminal charges against them." Binnall said Kesari is considering whether to appeal Friday's ruling. "We continue to believe that Mr. Kesari did nothing illegal," he said. Attorneys for Benton and Tate didn't immediately reply to messages seeking comment. Sorenson, 46, was convicted of willfully causing false expenditure reports to the FEC and falsifying records in contemplation of or relation to a federal investigation intending to obstruct justice. |
Court upholds convictions of 2012 Ron Paul campaign staffers
| Source: | elpasoinc.com |
| Published: | Jun 16, 2018 |
| Author: | DAVID PITT |
| Post Date: | 2018-07-08 04:20:34 by Gatlin |
| Views: | 4354 |
#1: VxH To: Gatlin (#0)
And remember -- NO SLEEPING IN BEDS uhh {edit} WIF SHEETS!
VxH posted on 2018-07-08 08:16:20 Reply Private Reply
#2: Tooconservative To: VxH (#1)
Tooconservative posted on 2018-07-08 09:48:26 Reply Private Reply
#3: Gatlin To: Tooconservative, VxH, Everyone (#2)
It is however seemingly odd that a libertarian who allegedly believes so dearly in the Constitution which of course has some amendments, known as the Bill of Rights that includes the right to free speech .wishes to suppress an individuals Freedom of Speech.
It is extremely sad that I must remind you, of all people, that Freedom of speech is an underlying principle that supports the freedom of an individual to articulate his opinions and ideas without intimidation, retaliation, censorship, sanction or interference.
You really need to please cease trying to control what people have the freedom to say and respond to .it is SO un-libertarian of you. Dont you agree?
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 12:28:33 Reply Private Reply
#4: Hondo68 To: Gatlin (#0)
They both stink.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-08 12:29:54 Reply Private Reply
#5: Deckard To: Gatlin, Tooconservative (#3)
You are perfectly within your rights to post your trash here - we as readers also have the right to ignore said trash and mock your goofiness.
You really need to please cease trying to control what people have the freedom to say and respond to .it is SO un-libertarian of you.
No one is trying to control you freedom-hater, stop your incessant whining.
Dont you agree?
Yes - we agree that you are a troll.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-08 12:45:39 Reply Private Reply
#6: Gatlin To: Deckard, Tooconservative, Everyone (#5)
But you do need to keep up and understand what is under discussion at this time. I am not being ignored or mocked ..there is a blatant effort to suppress the speech of those who wish to freely respond to my posts. I have shown this to be factual and you should understand that since you normally dwell on every word I post.
Oh, but someone is DEFINITELY attempting to stifle the freedom of those responding to my posts. You talk about freedom-hating .now, Bub, that REALLY freedom hating.You libertarians are so imbecilic.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 13:01:59 Reply Private Reply
#7: Gatlin To: Tooconservative, Deckard, Everyone (#6)
It really Is un-libertarian of you to stalk my posts and try to persuade those responding to them to cease making comments. You do have that freedom and I am in no way trying to suppress it. I am merely calling to the attention of everyone another shining example of how the libertarian dogma operates.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 13:18:01 Reply Private Reply
#8: Hank Rearden To: Gatlin (#0)
Hank Rearden posted on 2018-07-08 13:48:03 Reply Private Reply
#9: buckeroo To: Gatlin (#6)
Where in the world did you find that idea?
buckeroo posted on 2018-07-08 14:09:54 Reply Private Reply
#10: Gatlin To: Deckard (#5)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 14:11:08 Reply Private Reply
#11: Gatlin To: buckeroo (#9)
Tater peeling is the single foremost thought always in your mind.
You have made that abundantly clear, lamebrain. Check your posts to see thats true.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 14:16:48 Reply Private Reply
#12: sneakypete To: Gatlin (#10)
Just asking a legitimate question,but since you obviously go to those "we luvs cops" web sites or you wouldn't know,doesn't that,by YOUR definition make YOU a "cop loving troll"?
sneakypete posted on 2018-07-08 14:25:03 Reply Private Reply
#13: buckeroo To: Gatlin (#11)
You didn't answer the question, tater. You deflected your answer to all kinds of BULLSHIT that only yukon would applaud.
I believe in a creator, you dumb fuck. Your answer suggests that because I don't believe in the "personal church of Gatlin" that I am somehow disconnected from the Universe.
buckeroo posted on 2018-07-08 14:27:37 Reply Private Reply
#14: Gatlin To: buckeroo (#13)
Stop wating my valuable time....I have more important things to do than deal with an idiot.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 14:34:38 Reply Private Reply
#15: Gatlin To: sneakypete (#12)
Maybe later ...
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 14:40:22 Reply Private Reply
#16: buckeroo To: Gatlin (#14)
buckeroo posted on 2018-07-08 14:41:29 Reply Private Reply
#17: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, taters are people too, tater lives matter (#11)
It shows, in your every post.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-08 14:48:03 Reply Private Reply
#18: Gatlin To: buckeroo (#13)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 14:56:02 Reply Private Reply
#19: Gatlin To: buckeroo (#16)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 14:58:40 Reply Private Reply
#20: buckeroo To: hondo68 (#17)
buckeroo posted on 2018-07-08 15:28:55 Reply Private Reply
#21: Gatlin To: buckeroo in self-imposed exile and all other libertarians (#20)
They mean nothing to you libertarians because not one of you can ever dispute the factual information in those articles.
All any of you can do is post stupid memes, make smart-assed comments about peeling potatoes and launch a barrage of personal attacks.
Open question If libertarianism is so damned wonderfully great, the why in the Hell cant any of you DEFEND against attacks made on it?
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 15:52:11 Reply Private Reply
#22: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, Bozoed the World (#21)
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-08 16:01:12 Reply Private Reply
#23: CZ82 To: buckeroo (#16)
And miss all the verbal defecation, that's not like you.
CZ82 posted on 2018-07-08 17:16:44 Reply Private Reply
#24: Gatlin To: hondo68, Everyone (#22)
If flippant memes meant anything, then maybe they could win a victory for libertarians and they would have been in power long ago. But flippant memes dont mean shit and any lofty hopes libertarians had in 2016 went out with a whimper, as they garnered less than 4% of th popular vote total and not ONE electoral college vote in one of the most shocking outcomes in recent political history .which saw Donald Trump elected President in stunning repudiation of the establishment.
Boss Gatlin .NO, its Hail TO The Chief Donald Trump.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 17:32:53 Reply Private Reply
#25: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, lying tater, libertarian Ron Paul ONE electoral vote 2016 (#24)
Another lie from lying Gatlin. Ron Paul the libertarian godfather, got ONE electoral vote in 2016, uno, 1, NOT zero!
Why Bill Greene Voted for Ron Paul in the Electoral College
Stop the lies you libtard flake, Gatlin!
Speaking of flakes, how many times did you vote for Jeff Flake?
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-08 18:16:03 Reply Private Reply
#26: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#25)
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 22:10:19 Reply Private Reply
#27: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#25)
Never once have I
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 22:12:24 Reply Private Reply
#28: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, lying tater (#26)
Ron Paul, exposing one Gatlin lie, after the other. It proved once again that you're a liar, that means a lot, and it can't be said too often.
Gatlin is a liar!
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-08 23:35:03 Reply Private Reply
#29: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#28)
When Bill Greene cast an electoral vote for Republican Ron Paul in the 2016 presidential election, he probably never guessed that action would prevent him from serving his local Republican party in the years to come. Greene has volunteered and worked with various Republican parties for more than 30 years, but his act of voting for Ron Paul caused him a lot of trouble in Hidalgo County. Now hes not allowed to serve as a delegate for the state Republican convention in Texas. Some members even told him that he might secretly be Antifa. Heavy is speaking with the Hidalgo County GOP and may have a comment to add to this story soon.
Heres what happened.
Bill Greene Was Not Allowed To Be a Delegate, Even Though Hidalgo County Didnt Have Enough Delegates to Fill All Their Seats
In late March, Bill Greene attended the Hidalgo County Senate District 27 Convention, where delegates were picked to go to the upcoming State GOP convention. When his name was brought up, he was voted out as both a delegate and an alternate because he had cast his electoral vote for Ron Paul. What makes this even more egregious, he told Heavy, is that Hidalgo County didnt even have enough delegates to fill half of their 35 seats. You can watch a video of the proceedings above. About three minutes into the video, the discussion about Greene begins, but then is sidetracked until about nine minutes in. Then they discuss allowing Bill Greenes wife, Kelley, as a delegate, and resume discussion about Bill at 27 minutes.
They tried to vote my wife, Kelley, out too because shes married to me. In a split vote, she is still a Delegate, he shared. This is what my party has come to. Add this to all of our GOP leaders votes lately. The future of the GOP is pretty clear. I am sad.
During the meeting, a motion was made to add Bill Greene and his wife to the list of delegates, since they didnt have enough delegates to fill all their available seats. One person said that the Greenes were not nominated because based on past performance of the last election cycle, it was brought to our attention that they were a faithless elector, and may not be deserving of going this year.
Kelley Greene spoke up about this, saying that she loved her husband dearly, but it was incorrect to lump her in the same bucket as her husband since she was not even an elector. So what is your reason for refusing me? she asked. The district officials admitted that there wasnt a reason not to include her and she was ultimately added as a delegate after a very close vote.
But things went differently when discussing Bill Greene. Greene pointed out that he was very active in the Republican party since college, for 30 to 35 years, which was a requirement for being a delegate.
My vote as an elector was very clear, that I wasnt voting against a Republican, I wasnt voting against a person, I was voting for someone, as my oath of office required me to do he said during the meeting. I voted for a Republican for President of the United States. I didnt vote for Trump, but thats because the electors are free agents and our sole responsibility is to vote for who we believe is the best candidate for President of the United States To say that your 30 to 35 years of active service to the Republican party, your attendance at four national conventions dozens of state conventions is irrelevant to what were doing here, I think youre setting a very dangerous precedent .
The Convention Chair that day, Denny Church, responded that electors needed to vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump.
Bill Greene was out for Bill Greene, Church said at the meeting. When it comes to moving forward, we do it as a group. In this case its SD 27. Overall, its Hidalgo County. Overall, its the state of Texas. The state of Texas voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump, he got it, boom, guess what? Well, Im going to vote for Ron Paul. Look at me . This was not anything to help the party Weve got to earn things in life, thats the rules. Beyond that, lets just give it away. That itself is socialism. Weve had enough of that. Look at Washington, D.C. Its all look at me We shouldnt follow the rules and just do what we want? Thats how we get $1.3 trillion debt.
Greene disagreed with the way Church represented him. He said that in voting for Ron Paul, he wasnt trying to make a name for himself. He was voting his conscience, voting for a Republican, and following the Constitution. Keeping him out for that, he reiterated, would set a dangerous precedent.
Ultimately, the delegates present voted to not allow Greene to be a delegate.
Many people commented on Facebook about the decision regarding Bill Greene, angry about their partys actions. One person wrote: After all of these years, Republican Party is still shady as hell when it come to creating Delegate Slates
Greene told Heavy that what happened was not representative of the Republican grassroots in Texas, and the people who chose him at the 2016 convention and who voted for him in the 2016 election. Church, he said, had a personal political vendetta against me for refusing to bow to the demands of the party elite.'
I am saddened though not surprised that a majority of those few delegates present failed to see that I did absolutely nothing that violated either the rules or the principles of the Republican Party of Texas.
Greene has also been told on more than one occasion that his vote for Ron Paul could indicate that he might be working for Antifa.
At around 34:00 into the video shared earlier in this article, one member of the SD 27 meeting stood up and voiced his strong dissent against Bill Greenes being a delegate. Who knows if he has a secret agenda (and is) Antifa or any other organization, he said. We have to be careful.
Greene said that about a week later, when talking with a local Hidalgo County GOP member on Facebook, he was told the same thing again.
It was right for us to remove you as a delegate to the Republican Party of Texas state convention, because you didnt vote for the Republican in the Electoral College, she said in a Facebook conversation, Greene shared. We need party loyalty. You might secretly be Antifa.
She later said that she believed they needed to bind electors, and blocked him, so he was unable to get screenshots of the conversation for Heavy.
This isnt the first time some Republicans have used allegations of Antifa connections against voices of dissent to try to question motives, and you can sometimes see the same thing with Democrats and allegations of Russia connections during disagreements about establishment policies.
Despite what happened, Bill Greene has said that he will still be attending the Republican Texas state convention, as his wifes guest. But he also told Heavy that he believes that what happened to him points to a larger issue within the GOP, and he regrets voting for the Hidalgo County Chair, who ultimately backed Churchs call to not let Greene be a delegate. This, he told Heavy, is why the County cant get enough delegates to fill all their seats, but its also a symptom of even greater issues facing the GOP in the future.
Ive been active in the Republican Party longer than most of them there that day (at the SD 27 meeting) have even been voting, having served as a Precinct Chair, on the County Executive Committee, on the District Executive Committee, and on the State Executive Committee; I attended many many many County and State Conventions, and four National Conventions; I ran as a Republican for City Council, State House, and U.S. Congress; and Ive voted in GOP primaries since I started voting, Greene told Heavy. I even voted for a Republican in the Electoral College just not the Republican that Denny Church and his ilk incorrectly insisted I was required to vote for Im glad there were a few there that day who spoke out against this mans asinine behavior, but to put it simply: its people like (this) who will spell the death of the Republican Party.
Heavy is speaking with the Hidalgo County GOP and may have a comment to add to this story soon.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-08 23:45:47 Reply Private Reply
#30: Gatlin To: hondo68, Everyone (#28)
I didnt count that ONE electoral vote since Ron Paul was NOT even a registered libertarian and he was NOT a candidate in the 2016 United States presidential election. If I were a libertarian, I would have been terribly embarrassed to mention that one libertarian in Texas cast a protest vote for Ron Paul and after all these MANY years of running for President, Ron Paul FINALLY won an electoral vote that meant absolutely nothing.
Thank you, hondo, for giving me the opportunity to show a shining example of what low character libertarians can have. I see the lowly mental and atrocious moral qualities distinctive to libertarians are that of gutter trash.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-09 00:32:32 Reply Private Reply
#31: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, Ron Paul libertarian, and Libertarian Party lifetime member (#29)
You're digging yourself in deeper with more lies. Ron Paul is a longtime libertarian AND also still a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party. He ran as the Libertarian Party presidential candidate in '88, against GHW Bush and Dukakis. He did resign from the GOP prior to that run. He has never resigned from the Libertarian Party, as he recently said in an interview. @8:05
You wrote that a small "l" libertarian (the political philosophy) had never gotten an electoral vote. That is incorrect, aka a lie.
Both a libertarian and a Libertarian has received at least one electoral college vote. That is Ron Paul, who is both a libertarian AND a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-09 00:44:27 Reply Private Reply
#32: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, Registered as a dissident, and freedom lover, with Boss Gatlin (#30)
Ron Paul is a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party but he doesn't have to be a member of any party, or register for anything to become president, you pulled that out of your azz, it's not in the Constitution. If he gets the required number of electoral college votes, he is the president. No ifs, ands or buts! He's a Natural Born US citizen of genuine American parents, and he's over 35yo.
Why do you hate the US Constitution, the rule of law, and America? If you don't like the Electoral College, try to pass a Constitutional Amendment so that presidential candidates must REGISTER with Boss Gatlin, and be granted his approval. Ain't going to happen Totalitarian Freakazoid!
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-09 02:13:19 Reply Private Reply
#33: Gatlin To: hondo68, Everyone (#31)
After all your rambling, it is blatantly obvious that you are NOT paying any ATTENTION to what I said.
I will repeat what I said and ask that you please READ my words very CARFULLY so that you fully UNDERSTAND them.
I said:
The best way I can prove to you that Ron Paul was NOT a Registered Libertarian is with the following link: If you live in one of these states, you can register as a Libertarian: I live in Arizona. I can either REGISTER as a Libertarian or I can REGISTER as a Republican. [There are other choices of course, but we are discussing only these two]. It is impossible for me to REGISTER as both a Libertarian and as a Republican.Ron Paul lives in Texas and he is registered to vote in Texas. Texas is a State where one CANNOT register as a Libertarian. Consequently, there is absolutely NO way Ron Paul could be REGISTERED as a Libertarian in Texas .absolutely NO way.
And so I repeat for about the third or fourth time:
I therefore stand FIRMLY behind my original statement .which I repeated a number of times. If you can document with links where I am wrong and show that Ron Paul was a REGISTERED Libertarian in 2016, I will offer to you my sincerely apology for my misstatement. Please TRY to prove me wrong by providing links to your source(s).Gatlin posted on 2018-07-09 02:16:47 Reply Private Reply
#34: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#33)
Watch the sidebar tomorrow morning for my latest article exposing libertarians for what they really are.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-09 03:21:01 Reply Private Reply
#35: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, wants collectivist democracy, Hillary as President, instead of a republic (#33)
The Electoral College member that you voted for when you chose Trump, might just vote for Hillary, Bernie Sanders, or Jeb! when they cast their vote. Quit sniveling and accept the fact that you live in a Republic, The United States of America, not a Totalitarian Democracy where it's a Tyranny of the Majority and you Yukonites can screw over Joe Sixpack.
Suck it up, you democratic collectivist commie. This is NOT majority rule, the Electoral College system is structured along the lines of a Republican form or government, as guaranteed in the Constitution. "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion" ~Article IV
If we had your majority wins democratic system, Hillary would be president right now, since she won the popular vote. Would you be happy then, in your idiotic collectivist statist utopia?
Hondo68 posted on 2018-07-09 03:51:32 Reply Private Reply
#36: Gatlin To: hondo68 (#35)
Nothing you have said in your post here is related to our ongoing conversation. Please get back to me when you can make sense.
I stand by my POINT: Ron Paul was NOT a REGISTERED Libertarian in 2016.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-09 08:33:10 Reply Private Reply
#37: Deckard To: hondo68 (#35)
Great term for Gatlin and others of his ilk.
Deckard posted on 2018-07-09 09:12:51 Reply Private Reply
#38: Gatlin To: Deckard (#37)
Sad .that you have no points to make and must look for small things to be amused.
This is so typical of ALL you ignorant libertarians.
Gatlin posted on 2018-07-09 09:20:49 Reply Private Reply