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This is a rather creepy story out of Florida (where else) which deserves a bit more attention. Four years ago, Florida Sheriffs Deputy Christopher Newman shot and killed Gregory Vaughn Hill Jr. while responding with his partner to reports of a disturbance involving loud music. Since Hill was black and Newman is white, an investigation was immediately convened with the usual media focus on possible motivations involving racism. A grand jury was convened to examine the case and they opted not to indict Newman, placing nearly all the blame on Hill for the result of the encounter. That led to a wrongful death suit being filed by Hills family in civil court. That case drew to a close this week with the jury deciding to award damages to Hills family, but the number was shocking to almost anyone from either side of the dispute. They awarded four members of the family one dollar each. (NBC News)
This case just stinks on ice and highlights a few problems with this system of civil suits which crop up so often. First of all, the fact that this jury awarded the family members one dollar each is not any sort of recompense for a wrongful death. Its a blatant insult which sounds as if they were trying to punish the family for having the temerity to bring the suit in the first place. Thats not the job of the jury and it adds insult to injury for the family who still no doubt grieve for their loved one, even if he caused his own demise. They should have either given a proper award if they agreed with the plaintiffs or given them nothing if the suit was without merit. But we can fairly ask if the suit should have been heard to begin with. While protests erupted over the shooting originally, it seems as if the Grand Jury did their job. The investigation concluded that Hill had pulled a gun on the Sheriffs Deputies and was heavily intoxicated. They found the gun on him. That was apparently enough to justify the decision not to prosecute and the whole thing should have ended there. But as with many criminal cases or police actions these days, a finding of no wrongdoing in the court system can seemingly be ignored. Weve seen this from both sides of the thin blue line. Plenty of cops who are accused, but later cleared of malice in a lethal force situation have been sued, sometimes successfully. From the other side of the coin, O.J. Simpson was found not guilty of murdering two people but went on to lose a very expensive civil suit for wrongful death. Ive never understood how you build a successful case based on a claim that someone murdered another human being when the legal system was unable to prove the charge. There needs to be a higher bar for such lawsuits. |
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Sounds like a jury with a grudge. Maybe the family's attorney was really outrageous in court and they wanted to punish him or something. It almost does sound like a jury holding a grudge about something.
#1: misterwhite To: Tooconservative (#0)
Yep. You take these jurors away from home, family and jobs to listen to days of testimony in a frivolous lawsuit that never should have gone to trial -- and only did so because the prosecutor and the judge were afraid of the black community.
Glad to see the jurors weren't. Nice play. I'd like to shake their hands.
misterwhite posted on 2018-06-01 13:59:19 Reply Private Reply
#2: Tooconservative To: misterwhite, nolu chan (#1)
You could just feel the fury in that courtroom. Everyone knew this guy was a total scumbag of a lawyer. Like he was standing there naked, it was so obvious. If we'd had some rope, we probably would have hung him. It was kind of a passionate case, full of egregious offenses. It was, of course, a countersuit so there was a lot of bitterness and previous legal skirmishing on all sides. They had all been suing each other for some time.
Anyway, Crooked Attorney's client got quite a judgment issued against him by that jury.
So maybe something like that happened with this jury. It's such an odd verdict really.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-06-01 14:39:13 Reply Private Reply
#3: misterwhite To: Tooconservative (#2)
I would've liked to have been a fly on the jury room wall to hear them debating the best way to send a message that they were really pissed off.
Or maybe one of of of the plaintiffs testified, "Hey, it ain't about the money" and the jury decided, "OK, we'll take you at your word".
misterwhite posted on 2018-06-01 15:15:25 Reply Private Reply
#4: Tooconservative To: misterwhite (#3)
Tooconservative posted on 2018-06-01 15:31:59 Reply Private Reply
#5: nolu chan To: Tooconservative (#0)
The answer to this is simple. A criminal conviction requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. In the civil trial the standard is preponderance of the evidence, or more likely than not. The admission or exclusion of evidence is also different.
It sounds like the grand jury and the civil jury were both very unsympathetic to Hill. The jury found that the requirements for an award for damage were met, and assessed the damages at four dollars.
Insufficient facts are provided to assess why they reached their conclusion, but the information below may prove helpful.
https://www.ajc.com/news/national/jury-awards-cents-family-black-man-killed-deputy-own-garage/6Pmw3rdUBz3sQTxw6psGlN/
Note that it was the sheriff's office that was found 1% liable, not Deputy Newman.
nolu chan posted on 2018-06-02 01:37:44 Reply Private Reply
#6: Deckard To: Tooconservative (#0)
How could he pull a gun on them when it was found later in his back pocket?
The Hill
Hill was shot three times by an officer responding to a report of loud music. Officers said he was holding a weapon, which was later found in his back pocket.
Deckard posted on 2018-06-02 06:21:40 Reply Private Reply
#7: A K A Stone To: nolu chan (#5)
To say a man's life is worth four bucks is an insult.
A K A Stone posted on 2018-06-02 06:38:58 Reply Private Reply
#8: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#5)
Drunk and stupid, shot by cops, likely bled out while the SWAT team was assembling.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-06-02 08:54:04 Reply Private Reply
#9: Tooconservative To: Deckard, nolu chan, GrandIsland (#6)
He had the gun in his hand, got shot while closing the garage door, put the gun back in his pocket, and bled out while the SWAT team was assembling outside.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-06-02 08:56:06 Reply Private Reply
#10: Deckard To: Tooconservative (#9)
Huh...what?
The guy was shot, bleeding to death, and you're saying that as he lay there dying, he put the gun in his back pocket?
I guess the jury bought that line of bullshit though.
Apparently the cop worshipers here do as well.
Deckard posted on 2018-06-02 09:44:17 Reply Private Reply
#11: Tooconservative To: Deckard (#10)
Sure I am.
Maybe he was trying to barricade or lock windows/doors or just to look at his gunshot wound but didn't want to put his gun down. Maybe he had a habit of carrying his gun in his back pocket (since he was obviously a ginormus dumbass).
Tooconservative posted on 2018-06-02 09:54:33 Reply Private Reply
#12: Deckard To: Tooconservative (#11)
It's more likely that the cops just made up the entire story of him shooting at them to cover their asses.
Were any of the supposed bullets fired by him ever found? Was the gun tested to see if it had been recently fired?
I doubt it.
Deckard posted on 2018-06-02 11:03:32 Reply Private Reply
#13: Tooconservative To: Deckard (#12)
I see no reporting that he ever shot the gun.
He raised the gun from his side as he closed the garage door and that is when the cop Feared For His Life and shot him. The cops, not sure if they hit him or not, then decided it was a SWAT situation and retreated. Some time later, the SWATs arrived and set up and finally broke in to find him dead.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-06-02 12:13:36 Reply Private Reply
#14: no gnu taxes To: Tooconservative (#0)
What are they complaining about? You can get a whole pint of Mad Dog with that.
no gnu taxes posted on 2018-06-02 12:23:47 Reply Private Reply
#15: Tooconservative To: no gnu taxes (#14)
Tooconservative posted on 2018-06-02 12:37:55 Reply Private Reply