And paying employees to stay home when the Dems insist on shutting down government. They need to give up the pay or come to work.

And paying employees to stay home when the Dems insist on shutting down government. They need to give up the pay or come to work.

I've witnessed two shutdowns - believe it or not, they want to come to work. Plus, it isn't their fault that politicians play their budget games.

They report to work the first day and sign some sort of announcement or policy paper acknowledging they know what is going to happen for an indefinite period of time. I recall one women crying and another woman comforting her as they walked down the hall heading for the exit for home that first morning, October 1, 2013.

So, I disagree with your point of view.

So, I disagree with your point of view.

When the shutdowns are over, the furloughed workers are all paid in full. Essentially free extra vacation days.

I had a friend who worked in an operations center who was mission-essential while his bosses had to stay home or away from work because those were the rules.

I'm finished with presenting facts to you. The politician decide to pay them during the shutdown when they aren't at work, after the fact. Take it up with the politicians.

That is how it is. The workers can't go to work unless they are one of few considered mission-essential.

If they aren't essential, then maybe their jobs should be terminated.

President Trump issued a series of executive orders Friday ...

The Republicans control Congress and Trump has to use EO's to make changes?? Congress can't get off their lazy asses to pass this popular legislation? What, are they still working on repealing Obamacare?

Meaning the next President could easily undo everything Trump has implemented.

Of course, you are right. Better to put it into law.

So, I disagree with your point of view.

Who would have guessed that Obama supporter little chief wet pants would support people not having to work to get paid.

Way to go, Pebbles.

Way to go, Pebbles.

I worry about, Stone too.

My frustration meter is pegged at "11".

I was being sarcastic when I said they were still working on repealing Obamacare. Turns out they are still working on repealing Obamacare.

You and Trump both. And a lot of others.

I don't recall if you posted on this thread, still in the sidebar.

LF: How Trump Can Dismantle Obamacare Without Congress

When they removed the "tax" for 0dingaCare in the tax cut bill, that created a ticking time bomb that will go off in January. If normal juridical principles are followed, it will force the Court to strike down 0-care next January at the first challenge to its constitutionality.

So maybe 0-care will repeal itself, next January. It's probably more likely than getting the GOP to repeal it.

But the problem with leaving this toothless legislation in place is that a future Congress could revive it with a simple tax increase.

Oh well. Take what you can get. This Republican-controlled Congress is very disappointing. Democrats would -- and did -- roll over the Repblicans with this kind of power.

But the problem with leaving this toothless legislation in place is that a future Congress could revive it with a simple tax increase.

No, if this holds water legally with the Court, the entire bill will have to be struck down.

Roberts' decision to allow it to continue hinged on the "tax". If there is no tax but there is a mandate...

Well, Roberts has had plenty of time to invent some creative legal doctrine if he really wants to. Obviously, he has no scruples about doing so.

If they aren't essential, then maybe their jobs should be terminated.

Remove the word "maybe" and you nailed it.

The Republicans control Congress and Trump has to use EO's to make changes??

Yes. See the problem a little clearer now? 90+ percent of the alleged Republicans in state or national officers these days are NOT the opposition to the left,they are members of the Borg who ran as Republicans because that was the only way they could get elected.

They will generally support some genuine conservative cause in election years,but it is always something that is guaranteed to fail,and they then go on teebee and rant and rave about how they need to be re-elected so there will be enough votes to get it passed the next time it comes up.

Blame the ignorant fool voters for this that vote party labels.

I worry about, Stone too.

He gets too emotional,and emotions always interfere with reasoning.

Turns out they are still working on repealing Obamacare.

Hey! Cut them some slack! The committees are all still meeting and studying what needs to be done.

You don't expect them to just jump right in and make changes without every opinion being heard and every suggestion being scrutinized do you?

Not to worry! I fully expect them to present some suggestions the instant the 2020 campaigns begin! They will be all over it with suggestions then,like ducks on June Bugs!

Roberts' decision to allow it to continue hinged on the "tax". If there is no tax but there is a mandate...

I agree. Roberts would have struck it down had it remained a "penalty". So he re- labeled it a "tax" which made the bill constitutional.

Now, let's pretend the Obamacare bill in it's entirety was presented to the U.S. Supreme Court ... but it contained nothing about a tax, penalty, fine, contribution, whatever. It would have passed constitutional muster, even with Roberts.

This is where the legislation is now, after the tax cut. A toothless law. But if it is not repealed in it's entirety, it can be re-activated by simply passing the tax portion of it.