F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

Source: New York Times
Published: Apr 9, 2018
Author: The Old Gray Whore
Post Date: 2018-04-09 16:21:37 by Hank Rearden
Views: 18201

The F.B.I. on Monday raided the office of President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, seizing records related to several topics including payments to a pornographic-film actress.

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, who called the search “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.” The search does not appear to be directly related to Mr. Mueller’s investigation, but likely resulted from information he had uncovered and gave to prosecutors in New York.

“Today the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients,” said Stephen Ryan, his lawyer. “I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.”

Mr. Cohen plays a role in aspects of the special counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. He also recently said he paid $130,000 to a pornographic-film actress, Stephanie Clifford, who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump. Ms. Clifford is known as Stormy Daniels.

Mr. Ryan said Mr. Cohen has cooperated with authorities and turned over thousands of documents to congressional investigators looking into Russian election meddling.

The payments to Ms. Clifford are only one of many topics being investigated, according to a person briefed on the search. The F.B.I. also seized emails, tax documents and business records, the person said.

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But if Hillary Bullshit Felon signs on a witness and co-conspirator to her crimes as her personal attorney, then has her sit in on the fake FBI "interview", well .......... that's not a problem at all.

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#6: tpaine    To: Vicomte13 (#3)

In a conventional war with the US, Russia will be annhilated.

Where would we invade? Thru the Baltics? The Black Sea? -- And after we took Moscow, with a cost of (a million men?), what then? --- Are you insane?

tpaine posted on 2018-04-09 17:10:59   Reply   Private Reply


#7: tpaine    To: Hank Rearden, y'all (#2)

on the face of it, this action looks like malicious harassment completely outside the purview of Mr. Magoo-Mueller.

The FBI has to be skating on thin ice, messing with attorney/client privilege..

Correct?

tpaine posted on 2018-04-09 17:27:12   Reply   Private Reply


#8: Stoner    To: Vicomte13 (#1)

" The buck stops with Trump. He has the power to fire Sessions, who has the power to fire Rosenstein and Mueller.

If it continues to go on, it is because Trump allows it to. "

I just do not understand WHY Trump would let this go on ? I don't understand why he did not fire Sessions already ?

Vic, do you understand why? If so, please enlighten me. It makes no sense to me!

Stoner posted on 2018-04-09 17:34:16   Reply   Private Reply


#9: tpaine    To: Stoner (#8)

Vicomte13 (#1) --- " The buck stops with Trump. He has the power to fire Sessions, who has the power to fire Rosenstein and Mueller.

I just do not understand WHY Trump would let this go on ? I don't understand why he did not fire Sessions already ?

It's because he doesn't want to go thru the impeachment process. -- He probably wouldn't be actually be thrown out of office, but his administration would become even more of a circus..

tpaine posted on 2018-04-09 17:44:47   Reply   Private Reply


#10: Hank Rearden    To: tpaine (#7)

The FBI has to be skating on thin ice, messing with attorney/client privilege..

Correct?

I would agree. Piercing privilege is a big damn deal and I'd sure like to know what "evidence" was presented to get a search warrant to do this - an ethical judge would need a LOT of convincing to sign off.

And what in the hell does this have to do with colluding with Russia to fix the election? There is ZERO evidence for that, yet Magoo-Mueller instigates this bullshit?

Magoo needs to be hung in public on Capitol Hill if all this is revealed to be political covering-up.

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#11: tpaine    To: Hank Rearden (#10)

--- an ethical judge would need a LOT of convincing to sign off.

And what in the hell does this have to do with colluding with Russia to fix the election? There is ZERO evidence for that, yet Magoo-Mueller instigates this bullshit?

Magoo needs to be hung in public on Capitol Hill if all this is revealed to be political covering-up.

Two bits we've got an unethical judge, seeing that we certainly have an unethical prosecutor.

Gotta love this as political drama tho. I doubt Trump will ever get impeached..

tpaine posted on 2018-04-09 17:56:19   Reply   Private Reply


#12: Justified    To: Hank Rearden (#0)

Rod Rosenstein is digging deep. Obama's/Hillary's hold over to cover their tacks and to take out Trump. He should be impeached and be prosecuted for using government power to harm citizens. Why Rod is still in the Justice department is beyond me. He is part of the deep state and criminal cult we call the Demoncrats and Regressive part of the repugnant party.

It must be nice to have unlimited power and money to take out you political opponent!

Justified posted on 2018-04-09 18:09:02   Reply   Private Reply


#13: Jameson    To: Vicomte13 (#1)

The buck stops with Trump. He has the power to fire Sessions, who has the power to fire Rosenstein and Mueller.

If it continues to go on, it is because Trump allows it to.

"...because Trump allows it to..."

If DD45 even tweeted that he "felt" as if he should fire Mueller...

the leadership in the house and senate would meet with the "president" and notify him that they would no longer give him any cover, and that he must resign.

He would then pardon anyone who he could later force into helping him, and resign in anger at 10:15 on a Friday night...

Jameson posted on 2018-04-09 18:11:44   Reply   Private Reply


#14: Stoner    To: tpaine, Vicomte13 (#9)

" It's because he doesn't want to go thru the impeachment process. --"

Your kidding, right? Your saying that by allowing all this crap, that will keep Trump from being impeached ? Damn, what are you smoking ???

Stoner posted on 2018-04-09 18:15:14   Reply   Private Reply


#15: Jameson    To: Hank Rearden (#0)

But if Hillary Bullshit Felon signs on a....

Give it a rest......

HRC is not going to be indicted, or prosecuted for anything.

Even though SH Donnie promised you people that he would 'lock her up"

Next up on "the hits that just keep on coming...." Mike Cohen rolls over on DD45 just before both are subpoenaed to testify about the payoff to Stormy....

Jameson posted on 2018-04-09 18:18:31   Reply   Private Reply


#16: Jameson    To: tpaine (#11)

I doubt Trump will ever get impeached..

Correct...he will resign

Jameson posted on 2018-04-09 18:19:43   Reply   Private Reply


#17: Jameson    To: Stoner (#8)

I just do not understand WHY Trump would let this go on ?

Because, as ignorant as DD45 is, he understands that a "Saturday night massacre" will cause his "own party" to turn against him and force him to resign.

And he knows that Pence is no Jerry Ford.....

Jameson posted on 2018-04-09 18:25:45   Reply   Private Reply


#18: Justified    To: Jameson (#16)

Trump will not resign. He is no Tricky Dick.

They have nothing on Trump and never have. What they are looking for is a way to blackmail Trump. An illegal fishing expedition using the power of the government to out those who are legally elected by the people.

This is pure bs and those using the office of justice should be prosecuted for civil rights violation. Congress needs to step in before America breaks into all out civil war. Then again I guess if you can not beat them in the arena of ideas cheat them in the deep state bureaucracy!

Justified posted on 2018-04-09 18:43:21   Reply   Private Reply


#19: Hank Rearden    To: Jameson (#15)

Next up on "the hits that just keep on coming...." Mike Cohen rolls over on DD45 just before both are subpoenaed to testify about the payoff to Stormy....

You just keep on with the revolutionary struggle, to a brilliant future, dumbass.
Christ, how did someone as dumb as a democRat figure out how to sign up here?

Hank Rearden posted on 2018-04-09 18:46:24   Reply   Private Reply


#20: Jameson    To: Justified (#18)

He is no Tricky Dick.

True, Nixon was scumbag, but he was smart. SH Donnie, not so much...

Jameson posted on 2018-04-09 18:50:41   Reply   Private Reply


#21: Jameson    To: Hank Rearden (#19)

Heh heh heh,

I notice nowhere in your defense of Mr. "spank me Stormy!" do you ever say that you believe he is innocent.

No one makes this claim because...deep down inside you know he is a degenerate, lying sack of shit....

but he's YOUR degenerate, lying sack of shit....so he gets a pass...

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#22: Jameson    To: Justified (#18)

Congress needs to step in before America breaks into all out civil war.

LOL!

Go back to Infowars and slurp up what the russians want you to swallow!

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#23: Justified    To: Jameson (#20)

He is no Tricky Dick. True, Nixon was scumbag, but he was smart. SH Donnie, not so much...

Everyone says that and Trump keeps taking their lunch money! So if Trump is dumb then everyone else must be total morons!

Justified posted on 2018-04-09 19:08:53   Reply   Private Reply


#24: Justified    To: Jameson (#22)

LOL!

Go back to Infowars and slurp up what the russians want you to swallow!

It took me 2 seconds to realize who infowar's are but in their defense they are still more honest than the MSM and that's really really sad!

Justified posted on 2018-04-09 19:11:35   Reply   Private Reply


#25: tpaine    To: Stoner (#14)

It's because he doesn't want to go thru the impeachment process. --"

Your kidding, right? Your saying that by allowing all this crap, that will keep Trump from being impeached ? Damn, what are you smoking ???

Haven't smoked anything for 30 years.

He's not 'allowing' this investigation, it was thrust upon him by FBI and Justice renegades. And he will make it worse by firing anyone.

Trump should calm himself, and fight these clowns with every presidential power he has (a LOT).

tpaine posted on 2018-04-09 19:20:35   Reply   Private Reply


#26: Hank Rearden    To: Jameson (#21)

I notice nowhere in your defense of Mr. "spank me Stormy!" do you ever say that you believe he is innocent.

Innocent of what, exactly? Be specific.

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#27: tpaine    To: Jameson (#16)

I doubt Trump will ever get impeached..

Correct...he will resign

You're certifiable. --- Trump does not give up. He will fight this witch hunt to his dying day. Bet on it.

And also bet that these clowns will have NO criminal charges against Trump.

What do you think they could come up with?

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#28: Hank Rearden    To: tpaine (#27)

What do you think they could come up with?

Like Magoo-Mueller, Jameson's got nothing. Just another whiny leftist, pissed off because his decrepit, greedy, corrupt, smelly old rapist-enabling felon got beat like a rented mule by the one real man with balls enough to call her out for what she is: a crooked piece of shit, fake-married to a rapist.

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#29: tpaine    To: Hank Rearden (#28)

Like Magoo-Mueller, Jameson's got nothing.

He sure hasn't shown anyone here a damn thing.

Pitiful guy..

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#30: rlk    To: tpaine (#6)

Where would we invade? Thru the Baltics? The Black Sea? -- And after we took Moscow, with a cost of (a million men?), what then? --- Are you insane?

He's insane.

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#31: Jameson    To: Justified (#23)

So if Trump is dumb then everyone else must be total morons!

The stupid people are the ones who loan him money or extend him credit....

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#32: Jameson    To: Hank Rearden (#26)

Innocent of what, exactly?

Actually it is of what he is guilty.

It has already been established that the Russians interfered with the US election of 2018. on DD45's behalf.

I do not believe for a moment that members of the orange team were not aware and involved.

I do not believe for a moment that if any member of team pussy-grabber were aware or involved, that DD45 was NOT aware and involved.

He is, after all a "win at all costs guy" who must have his fingers in everything, right?

If it can be proved that he or his people were aware and involved, it will be very difficult for DD to remain in power.

Mueller has already secured indictments, plea deals, and most recently, a conviction - which are being used as leverage to reach the ultimate goal; which is to find out "why" it was so important to assure this outcome.

Once the "why" is out in the open - the republicans will convince Herr dumb- ass to step aside.

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#33: Jameson    To: tpaine (#27)

witch hunt

Nice use of the hannity talking points memo!

And also bet that these clowns will have NO criminal charges against Trump.

If I were a betting man, I'd take that bet.

What do you think they could come up with?

We'll find out later this summer.

Jameson posted on 2018-04-09 20:25:34   Reply   Private Reply


#34: Jameson    To: Hank Rearden (#28)

I was not a HRC supporter.

To be honest I believe that she was the worst candidate that the democrats could have chosen.

If she were running against almost anyone besides the degenerate one, I would not have voted for her.

I did though, simply because she was not "him"

and voting against "him" was more important than anything to me.

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#35: Hank Rearden    To: tpaine (#29)

I have to wonder if there aren't a handful of honorable DOInjustice or Feeble Bunch of Incompetents who see this clusterfuck and will blow the whistle about what is really going on in the Mueller/Rosenstein/Comey/Odumbass/Clowtoon cabal.

I think they're absolutely desperate to deflect attention and possibly even get rid of Trump before their own crimes and coverups are exposed.

This will probably be an inflection point in our nation's history, one way or the other.

Hank Rearden posted on 2018-04-09 20:32:11   Reply   Private Reply


#36: Hank Rearden    To: Jameson (#34)

voting against "him" was more important than anything to me.

So just remember, because WE will, that you supported a greedy, corrupt, rapist-enabling felon only because she's a democRat.
And I have no doubt you went for an arrogant, ignorant, Marxist-leaning, bullshitting gasbag with a murky past simply because he's a 'Rat, he's brown and he has a ridiculous Star Wars name.
How diverse of you.

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#37: Jameson    To: Hank Rearden (#35)

what is really going on in the Mueller/Rosenstein/Comey/Odumbass/Clowtoon cabal.

Right, the entire Intelligence community and Justice department is somehow secretly conspiring to frame Donnie dip-shit......

Do you really believe the shit you read on the CT websites?

Are you serious?

WHY?

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#38: Justified    To: Jameson (#31)

Not talking business I'm talking how he beats up on entrenched Regressive government lackeys and MSM while being so dumb. The fact that he has done so much with every Regressive group against him. If he is dumb with all the resource Regressives have he should have to pay to use the White House toilet!

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#39: Jameson    To: Hank Rearden (#36)

only because she's a democRat.

FALSE

I voted for her because she was not donnie dumb-ass. Political affiliation means nothing to me.

However - going forward, and for the foreseeable future, I will vote for whomever has the best chance of defeating a republican in any race.

Because it was the gopers who gave us the most embarrassing degenerate POTUS of all time.

That is what I'll remember.

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#40: Jameson    To: Hank Rearden (#36)

because WE will,

Who is "we" ???

7 or 8 malcontents in a chat-room?

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#41: Justified    To: Jameson, Hank Rearden (#37)

what is really going on in the Mueller/Rosenstein/Comey/Odumbass/Clowtoon cabal.

You do not believe they are out to get Trump at any cost?

That they have not broken enough laws to get any non deep state person thrown in jail for life?

CT thinking is all is good and Trump actually is guilty of being a Russian plant!

Justified posted on 2018-04-09 20:45:46   Reply   Private Reply


#42: Jameson    To: Justified (#41)

You do not believe they are out to get Trump at any cost?

No, of course not - why would they?

That they have not broken enough laws to get any non deep state person thrown in jail for life?

So, you think Mueller's investigation has broken laws....please share!!

CT thinking is all is good and Trump actually is guilty of being a Russian plant!

Not even a good sentence, and why do you think captain tiny-hands is a russian plant?

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#43: Hank Rearden    To: Jameson (#37)

Right, the entire Intelligence community and Justice department is somehow secretly conspiring to frame Donnie dip-shit......

Mueller, Comey, Odumbass and Mrs. Shithead all colluded in the Uranium One scandal, they all participated in the Benghazi coverup, instructing subordinates to LIE to the victims' families and they all colluded to sweep Mrs. Shithead's conscious theft and exposure of classified national-security documents on an insecure toy bathroom server.

And yes, they DID conspire to cook up phony "Russian collusion" attacks on Donald Trump to first torpedo his campaign, then, when that failed, to frame him with a fabricated "dossier" created and paid for by the Mrs. Shithead campaign. The collusion with Russians was constructed by the DNC and the Mrs. Shithead campaign via Perkins-Coie, Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele. We know that; it's out there on the record; don't go trying to blow smoke up our baracks about it.

The 'Rats conspired and colluded with Russians to rig a campaign win for Mrs. Shithead, period. Not Trump. Not the nutless GOPussies. The 'Rats.

Once we see the 302s and FISC applications, then work out Comey and McCabe's obstruction of justice in that matter, I think it'll start to unravel this summer. And don't forget - Magoo-Mueller preceded Comey during Benghazi, the stolen classified emails and Uranium One. Yeah, I follow this stuff closely because I'm an American, I'm not as dumb as a democRat and I care.

As the Odumbass domestic-spying scandal metastasizes this summer, you democRats are really, REALLY going to hate 2018.

Mark my words, 'Rat.

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#44: tpaine    To: Hank Rearden (#35)

I think they're absolutely desperate to deflect attention and possibly even get rid of Trump before their own crimes and coverups are exposed.

I have no doubt that a lot of this witch hunt is driven by exactly that fear..

It was from the start...

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#45: Hank Rearden    To: tpaine (#44)

I have no doubt that a lot of this witch hunt is driven by exactly that fear..

See my post #43 - those assholes have a lot to keep hidden.

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#46: Justified    To: Jameson (#42)

You do not believe they are out to get Trump at any cost? No, of course not - why would they?

That's insane! You have your head stuck in a mile of shit to not see the truth. The truth is if he had done anything wrong he would have done been impeached and prosecuted!

So, you think Mueller's investigation has broken laws....please share!!

Yes! Michael Flynn case. Which I hope they sue Mueller and the judge for misleading and hiding information which Mr Flynn was suppose have been provided.

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#47: Jameson    To: Hank Rearden (#43)

Mrs. Shithead = donnie's wife - if you're talking about HRC you should use some other degrading nickname.

Uranium One scandal - there was no scandal.

Benghazi coverup - right, so somehow the entire justice department was willing to look the other way....nah

Mrs. Shithead's conscious theft and exposure of classified national- security documents on an insecure toy bathroom server.

Seriously, if there were really anything that was critical, there would have been charges filed. It was investigated fully.

And yes, they DID conspire to cook up phony "Russian collusion" attacks on Donald Trump

No, that didn't happen.

fabricated "dossier"

Wrong Steele's dossier was legitimate and corroborated many facts the FBI already knew.

The collusion with Russians was constructed by the DNC and the Mrs. Shithead campaign via Perkins-Coie, Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele.

No, that's false as well. Those you mentioned did not fabricate the fact that the russians interfered with our election on SH45's behalf.

We know that; it's out there on the record;

Please cite your source!!!

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#48: Justified    To: All (#46)

Talk about fishing expedition to take out Trump. Muller was to see if Trump or his people had colluded with the Russians(Even thou there is clear evidence the demoncrats do it all the time) and Mueller said they had not so it should be done. Guess what its still going on to find a way to take out Trump!

CT is believing nothing abnormal is happening.

CT is believing there is no witch hunt going on to take out Trump.

CT is believing the "deep state"(Regressives/big government lackeys) is not fishing to gather info to try to use it against Trump, his family and friends!

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#49: Justified    To: Jameson, Hank Rearden (#47)

fabricated "dossier"

Wrong Steele's dossier was legitimate and corroborated many facts the FBI already knew.

Hog wash! Made up shit paid for by Demoncrat party! You are one deluded person!

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#50: Jameson    To: Justified (#46)

The truth is if he had done anything wrong he would have done been impeached and prosecuted!

This is what Mr. Mueller's investigation is determining, you understand that right?

So, you think Mueller's investigation has broken laws....please share!!

Yes! Michael Flynn case.

And exactly which laws were broken, judge Judy?

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#51: Vicomte13    To: tpaine (#6)

I did not say invade Russia. My presumption was that Russia - who has issued the warnings about taking action if we do anything in Syria - would actually try to take that action. If the Russians attack, we will destroy the Russians that attack. We don't have to invade Russia. We don't have to do anything to Russia, and shouldn't.

What we SHOULD do is militarily strike Syria to take out Assad, because he's a butcher and his continued rule there is a menace to us.

We should tell the Russians that we are going to take out the Syrian regime unless they control Assad and stop the nonsense. If they do that, then they get to keep their port in Tartarus, which is their only port in the Mediterranean. But we will not be deterred by their threats of action, because they cannot take military action against the United States without being defeated. We are much, much stronger than Russia militarily. Putin is not going to blow up the world over Syria - THEREFORE we are going to have our way there. The Russians can decide if our way will be to kill Assad and allow a new government to come into place, which will probably order the Russians out of their base, and thereby drive them out of the Mediterranean Sea completely, OR THEY can control Assad, in which case he can stay and be civilized. But Assad is not going to be permitted, then, to use poison gas, to kill civilians friendly to us. He can be a palace eunuch, under Russian control, so the Russians keep their base, OR we can kill him, hand Syria over to new rulers, and the Russians will have to go.

And yeah, we CAN destroy the Russian Army and Navy and Air Force in Syria, pretty easily, and no, Putin will not blow up the world over that any more than we did over losing Vietnam.

The problem is that Russia has played a dangerous game of brinkmanship in Syria, but the US is now provoked, and Trump does not seem likely to back down. Therefore Putin will back down: by controlling Assad (better for Russia), or he will hang tough and threaten harm to the US if we remove Assad. In which case we remove Assad and tell Putin: Russia is too weak to fight us. All you have is nukes, and if you use those, you commit suicide. If you're going to commit suicide over Syria, do it. If not, leave. And take you fleet with you. If the Russians fight us in Syria, we annihilate their army and their navy in Syria. No need to invade Russia at all.

They have chosen to get in bed with a war criminal. They can stay in bed with him, and he can live, if they control him like a puppet and stop the nonsense. Otherwise, the dominos fall, and in the end Russia either blinks, or goes to war and is defeated, or blows up the world and ends humanity.

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#52: Jameson    To: Justified (#49)

Made up shit

What exactly was "made up"??

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#53: Vicomte13    To: Jameson (#13)

If DD45 even tweeted that he "felt" as if he should fire Mueller...

the leadership in the house and senate would meet with the "president" and notify him that they would no longer give him any cover, and that he must resign.

He would then pardon anyone who he could later force into helping him, and resign in anger at 10:15 on a Friday night...

To which he would reply "NO", and then the mother of all Constitutional crises would begin.

Where that would end is difficult to say.

The leadership might agree on impeachment and do it, but would the Senate agree by a 2/3rds majority? And would the President simply passively watch as they did this?

Would the People?

Would Trump let himself be removed by an attempted Congressional coup? Doubt it.

There are plenty of non-politicians loyal to the President. And that's where things get interesting.

Trump should fire Mueller tomorrow.

Vicomte13 posted on 2018-04-09 21:57:30   Reply   Private Reply


#54: Vicomte13    To: Jameson (#17)

Nobody can be forced to resign. Nixon resigned to avoid a political civil war. Trump is far more likely to say "Bring it!" to the political civil war. And the funny thing about political civil wars is that they usually don't stay political.

Truth is, Americans hate each other about as much as our politicians do.

Will the losing side accept defeat and submit in a nation with so...many...guns?

I doubt it. But call me an optimist. Don't assume that because Nixon blinked that every President has to blink. Trump's not likely to blink. Then will Congress blink?

Vicomte13 posted on 2018-04-09 22:03:14   Reply   Private Reply


#55: Jameson    To: Vicomte13 (#53)

To which he would reply "NO", and then the mother of all Constitutional crises would begin.

I think he would be persuaded to step aside.

Jameson posted on 2018-04-09 22:05:54   Reply   Private Reply