"Certainly, prison labor walks and quacks like slavery. The Prison Policy Initiative found that the average inmate's wage is 93 cents an hour

I would have prison inmates build a 3-foot high wall using 50-pound stones on one side of the exercise yard in the morning.

Then, after lunch, they would tear down that wall and re-build it on the other side of the exercise yard.

Every day. For zero cents per hour. Maybe they'll think twice about what prison really means.

California could pass a law tomorrow limiting prison costs to $30,000 per year.

Ouch, it would hurt your buddies, from prison industry!

But why to stop at $30K?, would not be $3K be better? Or just down every convict?

Or better yet, kill everyone charged or suspected of any crime and misdemeanor. The paradise to your ilk.

The Tarantulas

Lo, this is the tarantula's den! Would'st thou see the tarantula itself? Here hangeth its web: touch this, so that it may tremble.

There cometh the tarantula willingly: Welcome, tarantula! Black on thy back is thy triangle and symbol; and I know also what is in thy soul.

Revenge is in thy soul: wherever thou bitest, there ariseth black scab; with revenge, thy poison maketh the soul giddy!

Thus do I speak unto you in parable, ye who make the soul giddy, ye preachers of equality! Tarantulas are ye unto me, and secretly revengeful ones!

But I will soon bring your hiding-places to the light: therefore do I laugh in your face my laughter of the height.

Therefore do I tear at your web, that your rage may lure you out of your den of lies, and that your revenge may leap forth from behind your word "justice."

Because, for man to be redeemed from revenge—that is for me the bridge to the highest hope, and a rainbow after long storms.

Otherwise, however, would the tarantulas have it. "Let it be very justice for the world to become full of the storms of our vengeance"—thus do they talk to one another.

"Vengeance will we use, and insult, against all who are not like us"—thus do the tarantula-hearts pledge themselves.

"And 'Will to Equality'—that itself shall henceforth be the name of virtue; and against all that hath power will we raise an outcry!"

Ye preachers of equality, the tyrant-frenzy of impotence crieth thus in you for "equality": your most secret tyrant-longings disguise themselves thus in virtue-words!

Fretted conceit and suppressed envy—perhaps your fathers' conceit and envy: in you break they forth as flame and frenzy of vengeance.

What the father hath hid cometh out in the son; and oft have I found in the son the father's revealed secret.

Inspired ones they resemble: but it is not the heart that inspireth them—but vengeance. And when they become subtle and cold, it is not spirit, but envy, that maketh them so.

Their jealousy leadeth them also into thinkers' paths; and this is the sign of their jealousy—they always go too far: so that their fatigue hath at last to go to sleep on the snow.

In all their lamentations soundeth vengeance, in all their eulogies is maleficence; and being judge seemeth to them bliss.

But thus do I counsel you, my friends: distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful!

They are people of bad race and lineage; out of their countenances peer the hangman and the sleuth-hound.

Distrust all those who talk much of their justice! Verily, in their souls not only honey is lacking.

And when they call themselves "the good and just," forget not, that for them to be Pharisees, nothing is lacking but—power!

My friends, I will not be mixed up and confounded with others.

There are those who preach my doctrine of life, and are at the same time preachers of equality, and tarantulas.

That they speak in favour of life, though they sit in their den, these poison-spiders, and withdrawn from life—is because they would thereby do injury.

To those would they thereby do injury who have power at present: for with those the preaching of death is still most at home.

Were it otherwise, then would the tarantulas teach otherwise: and they themselves were formerly the best world-maligners and heretic-burners.

With these preachers of equality will I not be mixed up and confounded. For thus speaketh justice unto me: "Men are not equal."

And neither shall they become so! What would be my love to the Superman, if I spake otherwise?

On a thousand bridges and piers shall they throng to the future, and always shall there be more war and inequality among them: thus doth my great love make me speak!

Inventors of figures and phantoms shall they be in their hostilities; and with those figures and phantoms shall they yet fight with each other the supreme fight!

Good and evil, and rich and poor, and high and low, and all names of values: weapons shall they be, and sounding signs, that life must again and again surpass itself!

Aloft will it build itself with columns and stairs—life itself into remote distances would it gaze, and out towards blissful beauties- therefore doth it require elevation!

And because it requireth elevation, therefore doth it require steps, and variance of steps and climbers! To rise striveth life, and in rising to surpass itself.

And just behold, my friends! Here where the tarantula's den is, riseth aloft an ancient temple's ruins—just behold it with enlightened eyes!

Verily, he who here towered aloft his thoughts in stone, knew as well as the wisest ones about the secret of life!

That there is struggle and inequality even in beauty, and war for power and supremacy: that doth he here teach us in the plainest parable.

How divinely do vault and arch here contrast in the struggle: how with light and shade they strive against each other, the divinely striving ones.—

Thus, steadfast and beautiful, let us also be enemies, my friends! Divinely will we strive against one another!—

Alas! There hath the tarantula bit me myself, mine old enemy! Divinely steadfast and beautiful, it hath bit me on the finger!

"Punishment must there be, and justice"—so thinketh it: "not gratuitously shall he here sing songs in honour of enmity!"

Yea, it hath revenged itself! And alas! now will it make my soul also dizzy with revenge!

That I may not turn dizzy, however, bind me fast, my friends, to this pillar! Rather will I be a pillar-saint than a whirl of vengeance!

Verily, no cyclone or whirlwind is Zarathustra: and if he be a dancer, he is not at all a tarantula-dancer!—

Thus spake Zarathustra.

Maybe putting a tariff on the products manufactured by this system of unfair trade would fix things.

Thus spake Zarathustra.

TL;DR. And it's fucking poetry. I think you're growing a Marxist mangina or something.

You can't win any argument with Americans by quoting poetry.

And it's fucking poetry. I think you're growing a Marxist mangina or something.

Nietzsche was a Marxist! A man learns whole life. :)

He was mostly just kinda crazy, especially at the end of his life.

He was mostly just kinda crazy, especially at the end of his life.

He was one of the most brilliant XIX century thinkers, about as good as Hegel, Marx and Dostoyevsky.

He was one of the most brilliant XIX century thinkers, about as good as Hegel, Marx and Dostoyevsky.

So, not quite as smart as my dog, who is not as smart as my previous dog.

Zarathustra's quite the windbag, isn't he?
I think I lasted three lines.

So, not quite as smart as my dog, who is not as smart as my previous dog.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

He [Nietsche] was one of the most brilliant XIX century thinkers, about as good as Hegel, Marx and Dostoyevsky.

"Brilliant" as in "insane atheist-nihilist"?

Your definition of "brilliant" it criteria AND your heroes list are especially telling.

Nietsche: "I am dead because I am stupid...I am stupid because I am dead." (Uttered during his eventual bouts of insanity as a result of apparent demon possession.) Yeah, a real genius.

He was a virulent atheist who considered God and Christianity evil because he considered THEM 'in the way of his "god-hood." Nietsche political ideal: Aristocratic Nazism. HUGE influence of Hitler as one might imagine.

As to your other hero, Marx...WOW. It's ironic that you would attempt to take ANY moral high ground, especially on a thread like this.

Nietzsche was a Marxist!

LOL.

"a smaller, almost ridiculous type, a herd animal, something eager to please, sickly, and mediocre.”
"The concept of greatness entails being noble, wanting to be by oneself, being able to be different, standing alone and having to live independently."
--Beyond Good and Evil

Pretty sure Freddy wasn't a Marxist herd animal.

I know a guy who was in prison. He is a decent guy and I completely trust him. He learned welding when he was there. So the individual could learn a trade.

Also he didn't murder anyone so it is stupid to charge him with murder. His partner wasn't murdered was killed in self defense.

Charge the kid with what his crimes actually we're. That is justice.

I agree. That's justice.

There's something about climate. The further South one goes in the US, the crazier and harsher the laws get.

Pretty sure Freddy wasn't a Marxist herd animal.

Well, this was not exactly his point.

But here is a herd of supposed anti-Marxist drones who have no clue who Marx was about.

no clue who Marx was about.

Well why don't you tell us all "who Marx was about", Comrade A Pole?

Compassion is the catalyst for repeat offenses, welfare loopholes, laziness, and illegal immigration forgiveness... just to name a FEW of our ills.

So what is the point of a GREAT NATION? From your perspective: a few bucks sucked out of government funds for daily eight hour donut breaks that you routinely call "work?"

This MAGA BS has made you delusional about the essence of life.

Well why don't you tell us all "who Marx was about", Comrade A Pole?

If you ask politely, without calling me names, I might answer.

Ok Comrade.

Start calling me Sir.

The further South one goes in the US, the crazier and harsher the laws get.

I've noticed the further you get in the South. The friendlier and the nicer the people are.

My republic doesn’t need another WEAK mind, caused by compassion. So don’t suggest that I turn into a fukeroo thinking snowflake.

Not to worry about anybody ever accusing you of thinking.

Not so sure about the rest of it,though.

He was one of the most brilliant XIX century thinkers, about as good as Hegel, Marx and Dostoyevsky.

I'm having a hard time trying to decide which is funnier,the joke I quoted,or the fact you don't think it's a joke.

He [Nietsche] was one of the most brilliant XIX century thinkers, about as good as Hegel, Marx and Dostoyevsky.

"Brilliant" as in "insane atheist-nihilist"?

None of those people were athiests. They believed wholeheartedly in the existence of a God,and they also believed they were looking at him each morning when they shaved.

The further South one goes in the US, the crazier and harsher the laws get.

That's because of all the yankees some fool let move here. We need a border wall with the north,too.

0ne that now starts in Virginia.

I can't speak for Pete, but you are a vicious upholder of, "GrandIsland's Law?" Doesn't this mean you just don't give a damn about humanity?

Fire Island has never seen a law he didn't like.

Fire Island has never seen a law he didn't like.

Actually, there are hundreds of laws I “don’t like”, don’t agree with, feel are poorly written or riddled with loopholes.

I haven’t met a convicted criminal shitbird that I did like.

I haven’t met a convicted criminal shitbird that I did like.

Kill 'em all, just because you don't like the son's of bitches, correct?

Start calling me Sir.

I don't have your number Comrade.

And it's probably a long distance toll call anyhow.

convicted criminal shitbird

What I don’t like, is spending my tax dollars feeding them and medically treating them. I’ll leave that for the mentally WEAK, like you.

He [Nietsche] was one of the most brilliant XIX century thinkers, about as good as Hegel, Marx and Dostoyevsky.

"Brilliant" as in "insane atheist-nihilist"?

None of those people were athiests. They believed wholeheartedly in the existence of a God,and they also believed they were looking at him each morning when they shaved.

They tried to see the future, not their mirror reflection.

Nietzsche was preaching coming of the future superior free man - man who will overcome the shackles of the past - something along the lines as many Americans see themselves and Ayn Rand is a caricature.

Hegel was the chief advocate of Reason and coming of the future Age of Reason through the powerful Western state.

Marx took ideas of Enlightenment, French and American Revolution, XVIII century thought, economy and metaphysics to their final conclusion and started their practical implementation through the mass movement.

Dostoyevsky was a humble repenting Christian who was warning us of what is coming.

And it's probably a long distance toll call anyhow.

Don't worry, I will not hurt you.

Marx took ideas of Enlightenment, French and American Revolution, XVIII century thought, economy and metaphysics to their final conclusion and started their practical implementation through the mass movement.

I believe that Marx got a lot of his inspiration from the brain farts of a group of pre-communist communists from Ireland.

I can't remember for the life of me what these Irishmen called themselves,though.

I believe that Marx got a lot of his inspiration from the brain farts of a group of pre-communist communists from Ireland.

You should teach the history of philosophy, in reeducation camp in Guantanamo.

Look up Freud's nephew Edward Bernays, who furnished your mind. You can start here:

PR Mind Control, CLICK ON ME

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Marx ... second or third tier "thinkers",at best.

Hmm, I would be happy if you mention first tier thinkers from his time, better than him or Hegel or Nietzsche. Please, I would love to learn about them.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Of course I do.

It's greedy, corrupt, lazy, envious, criminal communist bullshit that gets tens of millions murdered. Even my dog knows that.

Hmm, I would be happy if you mention first tier thinkers from his time, better than him or Hegel or Nietzsche.

He try to steal ideas from Hegel and Nietzsche,too?

I parTed company

WiTh you people

Any body

WiTh any brains lefT

Would Too

Barf
boris

Start calling me Sir.

You will be happier if you don't reply to him when he's trolling you.

Fellow men

I parTed company

WiTh you people

Any body

WiTh any brains lefT

Would Too

Barf boris

Wait, you died? That would make your message a miracle!

You/re leaving LF and that was your "opus"?

You're disgusted with this thread and are leaving it?

You're sick of the world and are going to hang yourself, or drink yourself to death, or something?

I've noticed the further you get in the South. The friendlier and the nicer the people are.

Me too. I never had so many people bless my heart as when I was down South.

That's because of all the yankees some fool let move here. We need a border wall with the north,too.

Ain't immigration grand?

You can't win any argument with Americans by quoting poetry.

"Quoth the raven: 'Nevermore!'"

"Quoth the raven: 'Nevermore!'"

Yeah, well, he's been saying that for over 150 years now. Never say never.

You will be happier if you don't reply to him when he's trolling you.

I like to play with trolls. But I do not think he is a troll, he is just a little naive.

Even my dog knows that.

Your dog is your mentor? It explains.

Yeah, well, he's been saying that for over 150 years now. Never say never.

Undead raven.

"Quote the raven, 'BRAINS!'"