by James Bovard
Gun owners who are targeted will find it almost impossible to learn about federal conniving. ATF claimed a surprise attack was necessary because Koresh almost never came out of his home. Six years later, thanks to FOIA hounding by lawyer David Hardy, the ATF finally disclosed a memo revealing that, nine days before the raid, two undercover ATF agents (recognized as such by Koresh) knocked on the door of the Davidian residence and invited Koresh to go shooting. Koresh, two other Davidians, and the two agents had a fine time shooting AR-15s and Sig-Sauer semiautomatic pistols. But easily arresting Koresh that day would have preempted the biggest raid in ATF history.
Federal guilt will vanish in the bureaucratic catacombs. After the raid turned into a debacle, leaving four ATF agents and six Davidians dead, the ATF claimed Davidians ambushed their agents, a story promoted by the vast majority of the media. But after ATF agents told superiors that the ATF shot first, the ATF ceased its shooting review to avoid creating documents that could subvert any court case against the Davidians. The ATF ambush narrative spurred the FBI to become far more punitive against the Davidians in the subsequent 51-day siege.
Gun control advocates may shrug off ATF misconduct at Waco as a once-in-a-bureaucratic-lifetime fluke. Tell that to Mexicans 150 of whom died because of the ATFs Fast and Furious gun-running scheme that illegally sent thousands of firearms into Mexico during Obamas presidency.
Gun owners fear a revival of 1990s federal enforcement efforts that endlessly vilified them. In a 1994 Supreme Court case, the Clinton administration argued that gun owners are the legal equivalent of drug dealers who should be presumed guilty. The Justice Department solemnly told the Court: One would hardly be surprised to learn that owning a gun is not an innocent act.
The case of Harold Staples vs. U.S. involved an AR-15 that the ATF had tampered with after seizing to convert it into an illegal automatic weapon. Justice Clarence Thomas, writing for the 7-2 court majority rebuke of the Clinton administration, declared, The governments position, is precisely that guns in general are dangerous items. (For) the Government the proposition that a defendants knowledge that the item he possessed was a gun is sufficient for a conviction. If the White House is occupied by someone who derides the Second Amendment, scores of millions of gun owners could be victimized by similar or worse toxic legal nonsense.
Show us the gun and well find a crime crackdowns work out great for bureaucrats but ravage citizens and the Constitution. There are already sufficient laws on the books to disarm people who pose stark public threats, such as alleged Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz. Sweeping gun bans multiply the number of criminals while doing little or nothing to reduce violence.
James Bovard is a USA Today columnist and the author of 10 books, including Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty (St. Martins Press, 1994).
#1: Gatlin To: Deckard (#0)
You know, Deckard....I seriously doubt you could survive each day if you couldnt find something to continuously whine and complain about or some scare tactic to promote.
Gatlin posted on 2018-03-08 08:49:32 Reply Private Reply
#2: Deckard To: Gatlin (#1)
Go change your Depends gramps.
Deckard posted on 2018-03-08 08:57:27 Reply Private Reply
#3: Gatlin To: Deckard (#2)
You can NEVER think of new rebuttals or give any contributing explanatory comments.
***YAWN***
All you can do is just CONINUE to copy and repost comments by others.
Thus is the copycat life that you have destined yourself to living.
And DO try, please, really try hard to come up with some new catch zap phrases....PLEASE.
Also. remember Globalist....TO ALWAYS PUT AMERICAN FIRST.
Gatlin posted on 2018-03-08 09:40:52 Reply Private Reply
#4: A K A Stone To: Deckard (#2)
A K A Stone posted on 2018-03-08 09:43:08 Reply Private Reply
#5: Deckard To: Gatlin (#3)
Seriously whiner? Read it again Parsons - You know Parsons - your entire posting history here appears to be a constant spate of whining, crying, bitching or complaining. Figures that you'd whine about this article as well.
Go change your Depends gramps.
Those are My comments.
Sod off troll.
Deckard posted on 2018-03-08 09:45:06 Reply Private Reply
#6: Deckard To: A K A Stone (#4)
Waco didn't happen in the sixties brainiac.
Deckard posted on 2018-03-08 09:45:48 Reply Private Reply
#7: A K A Stone To: Deckard (#6)
Thanks for stating the obvious.
Were you a flower child and hippie and the sixties?
A K A Stone posted on 2018-03-08 10:01:14 Reply Private Reply
#8: Gatlin To: Deckard (#0)
Thank you for your gracious consideration in doing this ...
Gatlin posted on 2018-03-08 10:18:03 Reply Private Reply
#9: Deckard To: Gatlin (#8)
They lie, steal kill and rob American citizens as a matter of policy.
When are you going to wake up and realize that?
Trump's verbal diarrhea "Take guns first and worry about due process later" should deeply offend every gun owner in America.
I've already posted one article that shows how a simple complaint by one hoplophobic liberal shitbag can result in your guns being confiscated.
Have you learned nothing from Waco?
Bleat away Parsons you submissive little sheep.
Deckard posted on 2018-03-08 10:31:53 Reply Private Reply
#10: Deckard To: A K A Stone (#7)
Why are you such a nosy Nellie?
Deckard posted on 2018-03-08 10:33:30 Reply Private Reply
#11: Hondo68 To: A K A Stone (#7)
I had a Paisley tie when I worked in Sears hardware department, does that count?
Hondo68 posted on 2018-03-08 10:51:12 Reply Private Reply
#12: Gatlin To: Deckard (#9)
But YOU need to learn that government is necessary and how to stop with your obsessive and uncontrollable hatred against it.
That is a stereotypically paranoid gross generalization for which you are profoundly and famously known and that characterizes your posts. Not when you relate to the context in which it was spoken while considering the true and meaningful intent behind it. It then make sense to all rational individuals....excluding liberals and a certain globalist, in some case. Oh, yea....I have learned to never become a cult leader and lock myself up in a barn with my followers while I was marrying girls as young as 12.Gatlin posted on 2018-03-08 12:05:28 Reply Private Reply
#13: Gatlin To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#10)
I remember the time well....I never until now knew the cause.
Gatlin posted on 2018-03-08 12:07:41 Reply Private Reply
#14: jeremiad To: Deckard (#0)
Republicans are the ones to fear when it comes to gun control. They will sell us out for a pat on the back.
jeremiad posted on 2018-03-08 12:22:11 Reply Private Reply
#15: Hondo68 To: jeremiad (#14)
Aye, the same with DACA and the other illegal aliens amnesty.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-03-08 12:27:12 Reply Private Reply
#16: Deckard To: jeremiad (#14)
You hit the nail on the head - had Obama proposed more gun restrictions during his time in office, the Republicans here would have screamed bloody murder.
Deckard posted on 2018-03-08 12:37:56 Reply Private Reply
#17: U don't know me To: Gatlin (#1)
Not hard to find in today's society.
U don't know me posted on 2018-03-08 21:15:22 Reply Private Reply
#18: Gatlin To: U don't know me, Deckard (#17)
But, thats not true. Complaining is bad for your mood and the mood of others. Theres more thats wrong with constant negativity. Its also bad for your brain and for your health. Dont laugh....yes, it really is.
Complaining not only alters your brain for the worse but it also has serious negative effects for your mental health. In fact, complaining can literally kill you.
Gatlin posted on 2018-03-08 21:39:28 Reply Private Reply
#19: tpaine To: Gatlin claims marrying girls as young as 12 should be a death sentance. ---- Y'ALL (#12)
Gatlin claims marrying girls as young as 12 should be a death sentance for everyone mesmerized and living in 'a barn', ---- with a cultist like Koresh..
Something is seriously wrong with 'qatlin', over and above the fact that he's a troll...
tpaine posted on 2018-03-08 22:01:16 Reply Private Reply
#20: Stoner To: tpaine, Deckard, Gatlin, all (#19)
1. Either grow up, STFU, and ignore each other
or
2. Arrange to meet each other in the middle of a field. Pair off. No weapons, only bare knuckle, and go at it. Could even set up a camera, put the " party " on LF. I am sure some here would like to see some of them get the shit kicked out of them ! LOL
# 1 Would make LF a more pleasant site for the rest of us
# 2 would do the following:
That would get their differences settled, and maybe, maybe get some to quit running their mouth. We do have some that are frequently afflicted with diarrhea of the mouth!! Some, this might be doubtful, but we can hope ! LOL
It would make LF more pleasant for the rest of us
It would save the site a lot of bandwidth.
It might even be entertaining to see some of them get their asses kicked. LOL
Who would like to see them duke it out ?
I will vote for them to duke it out.
Stoner posted on 2018-03-09 12:26:39 Reply Private Reply
#21: tpaine To: Stoner, Y'all (#20)
Tell it to gatlin, misterwhite, and their toadies, who spout agitprop daily, defending unconstitutional big government positions without even attempting to seriously debate.
Good luck in trying to get those cowards to 'duke it out'. --- And give me a ping if you find anyone that will.... I won't hold my breath while waiting..
tpaine posted on 2018-03-09 15:24:31 Reply Private Reply
#22: Stoner To: tpaine (#21)
Sorry, I forgot to ping it to misterwhite. I did ping gatlin. & I failed to ping their toadies.
I thought you would get kick out of the image of gatlin getting his ass kicked.
You did didn't you ? LOL !
Stoner posted on 2018-03-09 17:08:46 Reply Private Reply