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Enough is enough, says an armed U.S. Army veteran in Indiana who has decided to take student and teacher protection into his own hands after the horrifying Florida school shooting and threats of school violence rocked his own town. Mark Cowan says he is keeping watch outside North Side High School in Fort Wayne with his AR-15 and a handgun at least until added security is in place. Cown told WANE-TV 15 that hes standing guard to protect students and defend them against anyone who might threaten their safety while theyre in school. He has been in contact with local police and the school resource officer. I [decided] to get my butt off the couch and come out here and keep an eye on these kids and teachers. They deserve it, Cowan told the news station. They all deserve a right to go home every night without fear of whats going to happen during the day. In addition to being an Army veteran, Cowan is a member of Oath Keepers, an organization of former police officers, first responders and veterans. These kids mean a lot to me, Cowan told WANE-TV 15. These teachers mean a lot to me this is my community, and they need protecting. And our law enforcement, as good as it is, cant be everywhere. So its people like myself and the other Oath Keepers that say, Im gonna take up that slack.' However, the school district doesnt appear to be thrilled by Cowans efforts to provide more security. We take the security of our schools very seriously, Fort Wayne Community Schools spokeswoman Krista Stockman told WANE-TV 15. We understand he has a right to be out there, but we do not believe it adds to the safety of our students. At North Side, as at all of our schools, we have security procedures in place. In addition. at North Side, we have armed police officers in the building every day. As WND has reported, the idea of having armed military veterans and law-enforcement officers act as guards to improve school safety is not new. Action star Chuck Norris, an Air Force veteran, has promoted the idea for several years in his exclusive weekly column. Which one of our fine law enforcement or military personnel (in any branch) wouldnt consider it their greatest duty and honor to take a paid or volunteer shift as a guard infront of our schools protecting those precious souls? Norris asked in his Feb. 19 column. And in 2013, Norris pointed to Israel, arguing that its a beacon of light for how to protect our children in public places. Israel mandated armed guards at the entrances to all schools in 1995, and those guards are backed up by special police forces, he wrote. Despite that school defenses are primarily intended to thwart terrorists, they also deter any would-be psychos who would cause harm to their children. Norris continued: Back at the home of the brave, the U.S. faces multiple mass shootings on academic campuses and the majority still refuses to post any type of armed guard or even unarmed security at schools to protect our children. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, 70 percent of public schools do not have a police officer, and more than half (57 percent) have no security staff. There is an old-fashioned term for that lack of security response in these times: stupid. |
Army vet with AR-15 stands guard outside high school
| Source: | WND |
| Published: | Feb 26, 2018 |
| Author: | Staff |
| Post Date: | 2018-02-27 07:26:16 by Gatlin |
| Views: | 17797 |
#9: Deckard To: Gatlin (#8)
You've shown NOTHING you arrogant ass.
Deckard posted on 2018-02-27 09:19:05 Reply Private Reply
#10: Gatlin To: Tooconservative, Deckard (#7)
Or, would that police officer say: May I see your Oath Keepers Identification Card, please?
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 09:19:52 Reply Private Reply
#11: Deckard To: Gatlin, Liberator (#8)
You have no fricking clue what their vetting process is Parsons.
Your only agenda here is to defame Oathkeepers - just like it has always been, even at Liberty Post.
Your badged "brave heroes" sure fucked up last time around - now here's a group of Patriots who have come up with a possible solution.
You won't see any of these guys cowering behind a car during the next school shooting.
Deckard posted on 2018-02-27 09:24:46 Reply Private Reply
#12: Gatlin To: Deckard (#11)
Some crazy nut doesnt even need to pay to join Oath Keepers, he can go on eBay and buy a Oath Keepers patch and declare himself to be a member.
You really do support some insane and unrealistic positions.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 09:33:50 Reply Private Reply
#13: Gatlin To: Deckard (#11)
Of course you will chose to ignore the fact that one of your Gods, Matthew Fairfield, while as president of a Oath Keepers chapter was jailed on 54 criminal counts related to his alleged storing of a live napalm bomb at his home, along with other explosives kept at a friend's home. And that he had already had been sentenced to two years' probation for carrying concealed weapons.
Then in Tennessee, thre was an armed man driving a pickup truck emblazoned with an Oath Keepers logo arrested in a bizarre scheme to place two dozen officials in a town under arrest.
Oh, there was another Oath Keeper, Charles Dyer, was arrested in Oklahoma for the alleged rape and forcible sodomy of a 7-year-old child; he was also charged with possessing a grenade launcher that had been stolen from a California military base in 2006.
There are MANY other cases, I could go on and on but you should get the message and understand it.
Yet YOU dont seem to and you show that you completely satisfied without any reservations whatsoever that these types of individuals are eminently qualified to stand across the street from schools armed with an AR-15 and a pistol .proudly displaying their Oath Keepers patch.
Give me a fuckin break .you stupid asshole.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 10:18:18 Reply Private Reply
#14: Gatlin To: Deckard (#9)
Oh, but I did and you never showed where I was wrong.That is still hope for you some day and
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 10:24:37 Reply Private Reply
#15: Deckard To: Gatlin (#13)
Fricking liar - properly vettted Oathkeepers standing guard at schools is a workable approach.
Yet you still think the cops will "save the children" even after you've seen that they will cower in fear when innocent lives are on the line.
The only "oath" a cop swears to is that he makes it home alive at the end of his shift.
Deckard posted on 2018-02-27 10:27:32 Reply Private Reply
#16: Hondo68 To: Gatlin (#13)
If you expect the OathKeepers to give Nikolas Cruz a HappyMeal, you can forget it!
Hondo68 posted on 2018-02-27 10:28:19 Reply Private Reply
#17: Deckard To: Gatlin (#14)
Deckard posted on 2018-02-27 10:31:57 Reply Private Reply
#18: Deckard To: hondo68 (#16)
Gatlin/Parsons would rather watch cops wet their panties in fear rather than have dedicated veterans stand watch at schools.
Deckard posted on 2018-02-27 10:33:30 Reply Private Reply
#19: Gatlin To: Deckard (#15)
They are not properly vetted. They never have been and probably never will be.
All Rhodes wants in the monthly memberships dues coming in each month.
Wow .look at what we have here:
And now you want to let domestic terrorists stand across the street from schools armed withAR-15s and pistols....wearing their Oath Keepers patches?
Come, on....please say it aint so.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 10:43:36 Reply Private Reply
#20: Gatlin To: Deckard (#17)
Truth is where you find it"....those are your words.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 10:47:27 Reply Private Reply
#21: Gatlin To: Deckard (#18)
I hope I have made myself perfectly clear and trust that I adequately describe the Oath Keepers membership to you.
How many more slaps against the side of your head will it take for you to wake up to reality?
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 11:04:19 Reply Private Reply
#22: Deckard To: Gatlin (#19)
So your absurd claim is that Oathkeepers will allow just anyone to stand guard in front of schools? Maybe some of the members in the past have been unsavory characters, but as you say about cops - "it's just a few bad apples". That certainly applies here.
Your agenda here is to denigrate a group of veterans and COPS who refuse to follow UNCONSTITUTIONAL orders and have a plan to offer protection to schools.
Would you be on-board with this if the group worked together with the local police departments who could run background checks on any of the volunteers and weed out those who do not pass muster?
Deckard posted on 2018-02-27 11:07:17 Reply Private Reply
#23: Jameson To: Gatlin (#0)
So....I doubt this could be done by volunteers.....
Funding is the problem.
about 98,000 public schools in the US....
Average school year is about 1,000 hours over 180 days
That's 98,000,000 man-hours.
What do "armed guards" make? $15 an hour?
That's $1.5 Billion
That's for (1) armed guard per school, - that doesn't cover any after-school activities, and it doesn't cover liability insurance, benefits, employer taxes...
Jameson posted on 2018-02-27 11:17:33 Reply Private Reply
#24: Liberator To: Deckard, Stoner (#11)
Of course. We know what Gilligan is and has always been.
He's here to promote and advance his Goosestepping Fascist ideal. There's more to him and his occultist agenda, but that'll do.
Dismiss, Bozo and starve the Troll once and for all.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-27 11:43:14 Reply Private Reply
#25: Gatlin To: Jameson (#23)
The only solution will be to go to the root source of the problem, identifying potential a mass shooter before s/he is too far gone and takes action. Some of that is being done already, but as in the case oc Cruz....the warnings were ignored. How that can be improved on....I will leave to the experts.
Obviously some people are already thinking along these lines as evidenced by other sources and this:
Trying To Better Detect Potential Mass Shooters After Las Vegas
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 12:05:58 Reply Private Reply
#26: Jameson To: Gatlin (#25)
No disagreement.
Jameson posted on 2018-02-27 12:12:47 Reply Private Reply
#27: Hondo68 To: Liberator, Deckard, Stoner (#24)
Hondo68 posted on 2018-02-27 12:25:20 Reply Private Reply
#28: Gatlin To: Deckard, GrandIsland, A K A Stone, misterwhite, Tooconservative, hondo58, buckeroo, Liberator, and Everyone (#22)
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 12:42:54 Reply Private Reply
#29: misterwhite To: Gatlin (#28)
misterwhite posted on 2018-02-27 12:50:40 Reply Private Reply
#30: Deckard To: Gatlin, Liberator (#25)
The warnings were deliberately ignored by the Sheriff department AND the Feebs in order to create the opportunity for this massacre to happen.
The Sheriff's ultimate agenda includes gun bans followed by eventual confiscation - that should be obvious to even you Parsons.
Deckard posted on 2018-02-27 12:55:51 Reply Private Reply
#31: Gatlin To: Deckard (#22)
People react in variously different ways for many reasons. I could never automatically blanket label it fear, although that may sometimes be the final determined reason. Until I had a thorough understanding to the situation... I would just say they freeze for some unknown reason. Remember the story about the Army Master Sergeant, a veteran of WWII in Euorpe, I posted where he froze when it was time to throw the WP grenade and the instructor had to grab it out of his hand and throw it down range.
If you are wanting me to endorse the Oath Keepers under a special qualification you have established....I simply cannot do that. Take the money factor out of it, remove Rhodes from the picture, establish extreme vetting procedures and I would still have problems....because the Oath Keepers would remain an independently formed civilian armed militia responsible to a single person in command with no oversight by any independent civil authority.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 13:18:28 Reply Private Reply
#32: Gatlin To: Deckard (#30)
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 13:38:05 Reply Private Reply
#33: Gatlin To: misterwhite (#29)
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 13:40:28 Reply Private Reply
#34: sneakypete To: Gatlin (#0)
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-27 14:05:52 Reply Private Reply
#35: sneakypete To: Deckard (#5)
Ok,if he is wrong,post evidence proving he is wrong. He sure seemed right based on what he posted.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-27 14:08:38 Reply Private Reply
#36: sneakypete To: Deckard (#11)
I admit freely that I have no clue about the vetting.
If you do,why not tell us all?
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-27 14:11:27 Reply Private Reply
#37: sneakypete To: Deckard (#15)
Looks to me like it's up to YOU to prove he is lying.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-27 14:13:15 Reply Private Reply
#38: Hank Rearden To: Gatlin (#0)
Even when it is there, it quite often just cowers and hides.
Hank Rearden posted on 2018-02-27 16:28:41 Reply Private Reply
#39: Gatlin To: sneakypete (#34)
I figure the poor fellow will be killed. It was stated that he introduced himself to the local cops patrolling the area and the school resource officer.
But some off-duty cop that doesnt know who he is or what he doing is not going to just drive by and think: Oh look theres a guy standing across the street with an AR- 15 and just wave to him while yelling have a nice day. The off-duty cop will draw down on the guy and order him to drop his weapons. If the guy makes any indication of a wrong move, then....BAM, BAM.
Yes, his intentions are good....but his actions are stupidly death threatening to him.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 17:05:37 Reply Private Reply
#40: tpaine To: Gatlin, , Tooconservative, Y'ALL (#10)
TC -- Good point. --- The solution might be to have one child's parent in every class (a volunteer parent with a cc permit). Such parents could volunteer to attend one of their children's classes every month (given a class size of 30 kids), The schools Parent Teacher Association could work out the details and scheduling.. Comments?
As to our supposed major knocking Vets... Whatta Creep..
tpaine posted on 2018-02-27 17:15:29 Reply Private Reply
#41: Gatlin To: Hank Rearden (#38)
That is rather an extreme gross generalization that really doesnt say anything and definitely proves nothing.Would it be possible for you to specifically characterize quite often in both frequency of occurrence and number of LEOs involved....then cite specific incidents, other than the most recent school shooting?
I will understand if you cannot.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 17:17:51 Reply Private Reply
#42: Tooconservative To: Gatlin (#39)
I'm not sure how they can stop him or do anything else. Obviously, he is on private property and the school and the local cops have no power to prevent a legal gun owner from creeping out the kids and teachers by hanging out across the street with an AR-15 and pistol.
Of course, you never know, maybe there are kids or teachers in that school who do feel more secure, seeing a heavily armed guy standing watch quietly across the street.
Even so, I can see how this is problematic, a heavily-armed neighborhood watch kind of thing. I don't think the idea will be popular. People don't want self-appointed armed guards at their schools.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 17:26:57 Reply Private Reply
#43: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, Hank Rearden (#41)
Charlottesville Va. when hundreds of LEO's in full protective gear, cowered in fear of Antifa & BLM.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-02-27 17:33:50 Reply Private Reply
#44: Tooconservative To: tpaine (#40)
Have you even met any of today's parents? LOL
The glory days of the swaggering Harper Valley PTA are long gone.
You may recall they actually made a movie based on this song back in the Seventies, starring Barbara Eden.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 17:34:59 Reply Private Reply
#45: Gatlin To: Tooconservative (#42)
I am merely pointing out the possibility of some cop driving by and not know what he is doing there and challenges him and he could possible be shot.
I believe I read the school does not want him there.
Again, I say it could be problematic for him and for the reason I stated.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 18:10:18 Reply Private Reply
#46: Tooconservative To: Gatlin (#45)
Within 1000 feet on any public property. That's the law.
I always thought it was excessive. And it criminalizes anyone driving down the street with a gun in their vehicle.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 18:15:23 Reply Private Reply
#47: Gatlin To: Tooconservative (#46)
Good point on cars driving by.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 18:28:30 Reply Private Reply
#48: tpaine To: Tooconservative, Y'ALL (#44)
I doubt those days ever existed, except in the sit com mind.
--- The solution might be to have one child's parent in every class (a volunteer parent with a cc permit). Such parents could volunteer to attend one of their children's classes every month (given a class size of 30).
Individual School Boards would have to work out the details and scheduling, of course,_and vet the parent volunteers..
A plan of this type could very well work in rural areas, where both parents and school authorities are likely to be normal, conservative people..
Comments anyone?
tpaine posted on 2018-02-27 18:34:50 Reply Private Reply
#49: Tooconservative To: Gatlin (#47)
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 18:36:36 Reply Private Reply
#50: tpaine To: Tooconservative (#46)
More than excessive, it's unconstitutional, --- and if my memory serves, that 1000 ft 'rule' has been successfully challenged several times in lower courts..
Eventually, the SCOTUS will have to shoot down this type of infringement, or else. ---
--- The republic will cease to exist..
tpaine posted on 2018-02-27 18:56:49 Reply Private Reply
#51: Tooconservative To: tpaine (#50)
It should be but it's still on the books AFAIK.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 19:03:46 Reply Private Reply
#52: Gatlin To: Deckard (#22)
In fulfilling my purpose, I wish to call to your attention that the Montana Supreme Courts Office of Disciplinary Counsel (ODC) recommended Thursday that Elmer Stewart Rhodes, Montana lawyer and founder of the Oath Keepers, be disbarred for violating his attorney oath, according to a recent filing.
FILE - In this April 16, 2015, file photo, people stand ready to check in volunteers at a staging area outside Grants Pass, Ore., where the local chapter of the constitutional activist group the Oath Keepers was supporting volunteers serving as armed guards for a gold mine on federal land where the claimholders are in a dispute with a federal agency. The federal government and southern Oregon miners have each taken a step back from tensions over the claim. (AP Photo/Jeff Barnard, File)
The case, opened a year ago, involved a trio of issues:
1) On April 28, 2014, a federal judge in Arizona filed an ethics grievance against Rhodes for appearing in court without license or an application to appear pro hac vice. The latter is a requirement for a lawyer who wants to practice in a federal court located in a state where he or she isn't licensed. Rhodes did not respond to the Judges grievance.
2) On May 12, 2014, Rhodes Arizona client Michael Roth lodged a complaint against his lawyer, stating that Rhodes had provided incompetent representation and had abandoned him in his civil suit in federal court. Rhodes did not respond to his former clients complaint.
3) On July 30, 2014, the Commission on Practice set a hearing date for Rhodes to answer to these grievances in person. That date was later adjusted by a day in an amended order. Rhodes did not show up for his hearing.
According to federal court records, Rhodes had a second Arizona client, Jennifer Jade Jones, who also found herself without a lawyer in the middle of a civil case in federal court. While it does not appear that she filed a complaint with the ODC, she complained to the federal court. "I am the plaintiff the above titled action," she wrote the judge. "I have been unable to reach my attorney, Elmer Stewart Rhodes, for several weeks."
A series of confrontations
Since the Oath Keepers founding in 2009, the organization has engaged in a series of confrontations with the government, the most notable of which was the heavily-armed standoff against the federal government at Bundy Ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada.
These confrontations started in 2011 in the Arizona town of Quartzsite when the Oath Keepers inserted themselves into a vitriolic, small-town fight between two factions. Protesters had been arrested at two City Council meetings, and two months later the Oath Keepers assembled in Quartzsite to fight the tyrannical government, prevent martial law, stop the encroachment of the New World Order," and "restore the republic."
The Oath Keepers, led by Rhodes, gathered to hold the Quartzsite Liberty Rally against the town's then-Chief of Police.
The two protesters that were arrested were Michael Roth and Jennifer Jones.
Current trouble with Montana is not Rhodes first rodeo
In May of 2012, Rhodes was publicly admonished by the Arizona Supreme Court and fined $600 for acting as the Quartzite protesters attorney when he wasnt licensed to practice law in Arizona. According to his online biography, he had clerked for the Arizona Supreme Court in 2004, so it seems unlikely he was unfamiliar with the licensing laws.
Even following this admonishment, he continued to represent Mr. Roth and Ms. Jones in Arizona, filing several federal lawsuits on their behalf.
Citing family illnesses, Rhodes filed a request to be released from the some of these cases in late 2013/early 2014, but by April of that year, he simply stopped participating in one of the Jones cases. On April 15th, for example, he failed to appear by telephone for a status conference, and on the 18th was removed from the case by the judge.
Rhodes was indeed too busy on those days to represent his client. He was leading the Oath Keepers in another confrontation at Bundy Ranch in an armed standoff against the Bureau of Land Management
Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jjmacnab/2015/11/02/oath-keeper- founder-at-risk-of-being-disbarred/#3bf54c97d991
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 21:03:33 Reply Private Reply
#53: Gatlin To: Deckard (#52)
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 21:09:00 Reply Private Reply
#54: Gatlin To: All (#53)
Disbarment in the Supreme Court of the State of Nevada for:
Elmer Stewart Rhodes, President of the Oath Keepers.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 21:10:47 Reply Private Reply
#55: Tooconservative To: Gatlin (#54)
"Shoot, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff."
I bet their members-only forum is a riot. Probably with a membership of about 50% FBI agents (agentes provocateurs) and 35% paid collaborators. It was a favorite hobby of Hoover's.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 21:37:02 Reply Private Reply
#56: GrandIsland To: Jameson (#23)
Depends on the state. Some states have written in legislation that it's a felony to be within 1000 foot of any educational building, with a gun. Those laws are as ignorant as any snowflake.. but they do exist.
GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-27 21:43:00 Reply Private Reply
#57: Gatlin To: Tooconservative (#55)
I think Elmer discovered a cash cow and he is milking her for all she is worth to collect the yearly dues he duped a great number of people into paying using the beautifully magical sounding buzz word Constitution. He now even has recognizable names soliciting donations to him. That was done recently after one of the hurricanes.
Oh, I ran across this jewel this evening: Daniel Knight Hayden, an Oklahoma man self-identified as an Oath Keeper, was indicted by a federal grand jury after posting Twitter messages threatening to unleash a violent attack on Oklahoma state government officials on April 15, tax day.
Deckard is a gullible doofus to support this bunch.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-27 22:09:21 Reply Private Reply
#58: Tooconservative To: Gatlin (#57)
As you know, the Birchers had that same problem. They also had to purge various bunches of antisemites trying to take over the Bircher organization over the years.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 22:16:13 Reply Private Reply