
This month's massacre in Parkland, Fla., seems like a key moment in the nation's ongoing debate about the Second Amendment, former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said during a radio interview Friday.
I think it is time to have a conversation about what the right to bear arms means in the modern world, Rice told radio host Hugh Hewitt on Friday. I dont understand why civilians need to have access to military weapons. We wouldnt say you can go out and buy a tank.
More specifically, Rice said weapons like the AR-15 rifle that authorities say shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz, 19, used to kill 17 students and teachers Feb. 14, shouldn't be available to civilians, the Washington Times reported.
NIKOLAS CRUZ CHARGED IN FLORIDA SCHOOL SHOOTING
But Rice, who served under President George W. Bush, made clear that she remains a believer in the Second Amendment.
We cant throw away the Second Amendment and keep the First, she said, adding that she considers the first two amendments to the Constitution to be indivisible.
We cant throw away the Second Amendment and keep the First. - Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. secretary of state
Hewitt then asked if Rice -- being an educator herself as a political science professor at Stanford University -- supports the idea of teachers carrying guns as a deterrent to potential campus shootings.
Rice said she doesnt think that is going to be the answer, the Washington Times reported.
I dont really like the idea, frankly, of a gun in my classroom, she said.
Rather, she supports looking to law enforcement and guards as ways for protection.
Rice, 63, was exposed to senseless violence at an early age, having grown up in Birmingham, Ala., where the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in 1963 resulted in the deaths of four young girls. She has written and spoken frequently about the impression the horrific event made on her.
She told Hewitt that despite her reservations about weapons in the classroom, the proposal merited a serious discussion.
(Watch video at link)
Poster Comment:
Modern world
Same modern world pissing away their freedom left and right? No thanks Bush Globalist Harpy. The Second Amendment is to provide protection against a hungry, immense, evil and bankrupt government!
#84: Gatlin To: sneakypete (#81)
It would be very tough to find an argument against that ....with respect to the Whiskey Rebellion.Gatlin posted on 2018-02-26 15:13:23 Reply Private Reply
#85: Gatlin To: Deckard, A K A Stone, Gatlin, Ib Jensen, sneakypete, Liberator (#79)
You are inferring that I believe that assault weapons are not protected by the Second Amendment.
It is my opinion that those weapons maliciously labeled assault weapons to incite negative reactions are indeed protected by the Second Amendment.
If you have any questions as to my positions on anything...it would be beneficial for you to just ask me.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-26 15:27:56 Reply Private Reply
#86: Gatlin To: IbJensen (#78)
Yes, I know that has been said before and I take no offense in hearing it again.
I fully realize that I have the innate capacity for saying things in an unkind and indirect way when criticizing somebody and pointing out the error of their way or exposing their unpleasant traits.
But dont be frighten off by that .put on your big boy facade and try to dispute my facts when you can.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-26 15:45:18 Reply Private Reply
#87: Hondo68 To: VxH, taters coven, Condi Republicans (#80)
"Not a Witch!"
Hondo68 posted on 2018-02-26 16:07:57 Reply Private Reply
#88: tpaine To: Y'ALL -- Gatlin can't debate his opinions (#76)
Gatlins opinion claiming that: --- "saying the Second Amendment was written for the Americans to take up arms against our government is purely opinionated bullshit". --- is purely semantic word-play bullshit itself, --- seeing that everyone here is writing that the first explanatory line of the 2nd explains why the right shall not be infringed.
The milita, the people, --- when no longer living in a free state, --- have a right to take up arms against their oppressive government if it cannot be changed peacefully.
That is the clear intent of the 2nd, and gatlins silly attempt to claim the whiskey rebellion proves otherwise is flawed by the fact that it was about booze taxes, and Washington had no constitutional power to raise an army and confiscate arms.. He acted unconstitutionally, and nothing was done about his act.
Gatlin: Put on your big boy facade and try to dispute my facts when you can.
tpaine posted on 2018-02-26 16:11:24 Reply Private Reply
#89: VxH To: hondo68 (#87)
VxH posted on 2018-02-26 16:38:02 Reply Private Reply
#90: Hondo68 To: tpaine, gatltin, hates liberty, and God given rights (#88)
Gatlin's facts about the Whiskey Rebellion are wrong anyway. President Washington did NOT lead the Army against the rebels, but gave the job to one of his Revolutionary War Generals.
President Washington later showed up to beat down that general for abusing his powers and arresting and imprisoning people under cruel conditions without reasonable suspicion that they were involved in any way.
Eventually 2 people were tried and given light sentences for the Whiskey Rebellion. George Washington respected the right of armed rebellion against government, so the "perps" were only given a slap on the wrist.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-02-26 16:51:12 Reply Private Reply
#91: tpaine To: hondo68, Gatlin, Put on your big boy facade and try to dispute the facts.. (#90)
Maybe he'll answer you..
Gatlin is too much of a coward to debate me.. He did in the past, but stopped when he lost a lot, poor little fella.
tpaine posted on 2018-02-26 17:11:01 Reply Private Reply
#92: GrandIsland To: Tooconservative (#52)
Never fear the truth...
GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-26 18:16:00 Reply Private Reply
#93: tpaine To: GrandIsland, Y'all (#92)
Unless the ATF, or the FBI gets on your ass....
tpaine posted on 2018-02-26 18:21:08 Reply Private Reply
#94: Jameson To: All (#0)
Several thoughts...
1. I'm very much NOT a fan of Ms. Rice
2. Ms. Rice is exponentially smarter than pretty much all of you malcontents in this chat-room
3. Her ideas in this regard are valid and should be considered by any rational intelligent individual.
Jameson posted on 2018-02-26 18:28:21 Reply Private Reply
#95: GrandIsland To: tpaine (#93)
GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-26 18:41:37 Reply Private Reply
#96: IbJensen To: Gatlin (#86)
Unpleasant?
I daresay it is you who are exceedingly unpleasant. I will in the future ignore any response you make to my posted articles or comments considering the loutish source.
IbJensen posted on 2018-02-26 18:48:12 Reply Private Reply
#97: tpaine To: GrandIsland, boasts about, --- killing the parts of my family that endanger my agenda --- (#95)
You should worry that some agency would question your mental health about the following statement you made : ----
I'd most likely be a rogue combatant... protecting just my own family and killing the parts of my family that endanger my agenda or are dead weight. ---- GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-25
tpaine posted on 2018-02-26 18:52:21 Reply Private Reply
#98: Gatlin To: IbJensen (#96)
Thank you.
I will continue to post for everyone else to see.
You just sit there and silently take your severe whippings.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-26 18:55:26 Reply Private Reply
#99: tpaine To: IbJensen (#96)
Please, don't bozo the oaf. Gatlin needs all the disdain we can give him..
Cowards need to be told the truth. Even they can't ignore it forever...
tpaine posted on 2018-02-26 18:58:04 Reply Private Reply
#100: VxH To: GrandIsland (#50)
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Same Ol'
VxH posted on 2018-02-26 18:59:22 Reply Private Reply
#101: GrandIsland To: tpaine (#97)
lol
GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-26 19:33:15 Reply Private Reply
#102: Hondo68 To: VxH (#100)
Open for business.
God bless America, land of the free, and home of the brave. Offer void where prohibited.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-02-26 19:37:22 Reply Private Reply
#103: VxH To: hondo68 (#102)
Yep.
Denver Lutheran High School went bankrupt and is now named after "The Poet Laureat of Aztlan".
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lalo+Delgado+Campus/@39.69548 54,-105.0278325,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x17b73d028e35f4cd!8m2!3d39.6954854! 4d-105.0278325
But - don't forget to vote for the train! (so Governor Chickenlooper's Jesuit MarxBankster cronies can keep their caboo$e on track to the White Hut).
VxH posted on 2018-02-26 19:49:46 Reply Private Reply
#104: Deckard To: Gatlin, Liberator, tpaine (#83)
There goes Parsons again - showing his disdain for those military, law enforcement and first responders who have taken an oath to the Constitution and refuse to obey unconstitutional edicts. Thank God for Patriots like the Oathkeepers who are willing to put their lives on the line and stand against tyranny.
Oathkeepers: Orders we will not obey:
1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.
That must be why Parson loathes them.
...all the other loud-mouth cowards
The only loud mouthed coward here is you Parsons, submissively grovelling before the almighty State, happy to live on your knees as others are willing to fight back against a tyrannical rogue government.
Deckard posted on 2018-02-27 05:53:54 Reply Private Reply
#105: IbJensen To: Gatlin (#98)
A sadist as well.
IbJensen posted on 2018-02-27 08:49:56 Reply Private Reply
#106: Stoner To: Liberator, Deckard (#39)
That has been quite clear to anyone paying attention !!
And has been for quite some time !!
Most here know how Tater / Parsons is, and what kind of person he is !!
Stoner posted on 2018-02-27 08:50:37 Reply Private Reply
#107: Liberator To: tpaine, Deckard, Stoner, Gilligan aka TROLL (#88)
100% BS. That it is. Always was. Always will be.
Gilligan a Troll.
You can't debate a Troll, a forum Vampire. They don't engage with honest or sincere intent.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-27 10:57:05 Reply Private Reply
#108: Liberator To: Stoner, Deckard (#106)
He's just hit the BOZO-TROLL List. The ONLY one. Yes, he's that stupid, useless, and mentally unfit.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-27 10:59:00 Reply Private Reply
#109: Stoner To: Liberator, Deckard, A K A Stone (#18)
Look to fairly recent history for example.
Look up " Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tUQxsrQGw
Quite interesting bit of history
Stoner posted on 2018-02-27 11:03:59 Reply Private Reply
#110: Stoner To: Sneakypete, All (#109)
Pete, I had intended to ping you. Sorry for the oversight !
Stoner posted on 2018-02-27 11:07:00 Reply Private Reply
#111: Liberator To: Deckard, tpaine (#104)
OUCH.
+100
Liberator posted on 2018-02-27 11:49:53 Reply Private Reply
#112: Tooconservative To: Stoner (#109)
A beloved story. But can you cite any other similar events.
That's the problem with the argument, however much we all agree on the principles.
It's far too easy to dismiss as a lone outlier in some corrupt inbred hillbilly town. And there are a lot of people who love this story who would nevertheless get upset if something like that happened in their own town.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 11:50:16 Reply Private Reply
#113: Liberator To: Stoner, Deckard, A K A Stone (#109)
Making THE case for the 2A -- Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946
Liberator posted on 2018-02-27 12:02:00 Reply Private Reply
#114: Liberator To: Tooconservative, Stoner (#112)
Uh, no.
Your demand for subsequent examples of the 2A doing what it's supposed to is the problem with pro-Statists. Do you believe 'The Patriot Act' and it's UNREAD LEGISLATIVE ENACTMENT was justified or even had the consent of the governed?
"A Beloved Story."
NOT quite feeling the "love" from you.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-27 12:06:55 Reply Private Reply
#115: Stoner To: Tooconservative (#112)
No. I think one is enough.
" there are a lot of people who love this story who would nevertheless get upset if something like that happened in their own town. "
So, you think they should be happy if some thug took over a town ?? Bizare !!!
Stoner posted on 2018-02-27 12:11:21 Reply Private Reply
#116: Stoner To: Liberator (#114)
Stoner posted on 2018-02-27 12:14:59 Reply Private Reply
#117: Liberator To: Stoner, Tooconservative (#116)
At times he likes to play Devil's Advocate just to stir things up.
But at times he does straddle The Fence.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-27 12:19:57 Reply Private Reply
#118: sneakypete To: Stoner (#110)
No problem. It looks like you have the situation in hand by mentioning the battle of Athens,Tn.
BTW,there was a movie made about that. A pretty good one,too.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-27 14:18:47 Reply Private Reply
#119: sneakypete To: Tooconservative (#112)
When you mention inbred and corrupt you should be talking about the big-city stench of places like NYC and LA"
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-27 14:21:54 Reply Private Reply
#120: Stoner To: sneakypete (#118)
Yeah, I posted the link at # 110
Stoner posted on 2018-02-27 14:25:08 Reply Private Reply
#121: Tooconservative To: sneakypete (#118)
Some based-on-a-real-story flick, set in Texas.
Not accurate.
I would enjoy seeing an accurate movie or documentary about it but they've never made one.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 14:42:08 Reply Private Reply
#122: tpaine To: GrandIsland, Laughing out loud about killing parts of his family. (#101)
You should worry that some agency would question your mental health about your statements above..
Laughing out loud about killing parts of your family is "spot on" proof of your insanity...
tpaine posted on 2018-02-27 15:10:50 Reply Private Reply
#123: Liberator To: tpaine (#122)
Please consider deleting.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-27 15:16:19 Reply Private Reply
#124: Liberator To: sneakypete, Stoner (#118)
Stoner provided the link to the key part of the flick.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-27 15:17:48 Reply Private Reply
#125: Liberator To: Stoner, sneakypete, Tooconservative (#109)
Interesting account from the poster of the YT video.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-27 15:23:05 Reply Private Reply
#126: Tooconservative To: Liberator (#125)
That is pretty funny. Probably less so for the corrupt deputies in the jail.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 15:25:23 Reply Private Reply
#127: Liberator To: Tooconservative (#126)
Liberator posted on 2018-02-27 15:27:27 Reply Private Reply
#128: Hondo68 To: Liberator, tpaine, Fire Island psycho (#123)
The original sin by GI still exists in post #50.... libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=54845&Disp=50#C50
tpaine can't edit the creep's comment.
Hondo68 posted on 2018-02-27 15:30:27 Reply Private Reply
#129: tpaine To: Liberator, Y'ALL, grandisland (#123)
Post that to the idiot that put it up originally, and thinks it spot on..
tpaine posted on 2018-02-27 19:06:32 Reply Private Reply
#130: Stoner To: Tooconservative, Liberator, Deckard, sneakyPete, IbJensen, (#112)
I guess you have never heard of Lexington, Concord, Bunker Hill, Saratoga, Yorktown, Philadelphia, Boston, Battle of Blue Licks, etc, etc, etc Not exactly similar, but they did oppose King George ! Should count !
Stoner posted on 2018-02-27 19:45:03 Reply Private Reply
#131: Tooconservative To: Stoner (#130)
Yeah, yeah.
If you think people in this country want to have armed mobs shooting it out with each other, beating people, stealing ballot boxes, etc., well, you're nuts.
Nobody wants that.
This incident was more Hatfields vs. McCoys than anything resembling the political philosophy of the Founders.
And the G.I. movement in that region collapsed, rather badly and in short order. Their biggest problem once elected: other G.I.'s that decided they didn't have to obey the laws.
It was not a glorious triumph of the principles of the Republic.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 20:11:43 Reply Private Reply
#132: Stoner To: Tooconservative (#131)
Yes, we all know you are FOS ! Your opinion on this topic is worth a sack of shit !!
Go up stairs and tell your mother she wants you.
Stoner posted on 2018-02-27 21:19:04 Reply Private Reply
#133: Tooconservative To: Stoner (#132)
Of all the tens of thousands of county elections in the history of this country, you can cite only this lone example that is so outrageous.
Call me names all you want or throw some other tantrum. It's still stupid.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-27 21:25:27 Reply Private Reply