Title:In find of biblical proportions, seal of Prophet Isaiah said found in Jerusalem
By AMANDA BORSCHEL-DAN 22 February 2018, 7:00 am
The hand of the Prophet Isaiah himself may have created an 8th century BCE seal impression discovered in First Temple remains near Jerusalems Temple Mount, according to Hebrew University archaeologist Dr. Eilat Mazar.
We appear to have discovered a seal impression, which may have belonged to the prophet Isaiah, in a scientific, archaeological excavation, said Mazar this week in a press release announcing the breathtaking discovery.
Mazars team uncovered the minuscule bulla, or seal impression, during renewed excavations at the Ophel, located at the foot of the southern wall of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The discovery was published on Wednesday in an article, Is This the Prophet Isaiahs Signature? as part of a massive March-June issue of the Biblical Archaeology Review dedicated to its recently retired founding editor, Hershel Shanks.
The clay impression is inscribed with letters and what appears to be a grazing doe, a motif of blessing and protection found in Judah, particularly in Jerusalem, according to the BAR article.
Poster Comment:
Of course like all discoveries this will be peer reviewed. However, this finding links Isaiah with the same Hezekiah of 2 Kings 18, Isaiah 36 and Isaiah 37.
#1: redleghunter To: All, *Bible Study Ping* (#0)
redleghunter posted on 2018-02-23 13:45:23 Reply Private Reply
#2: buckeroo To: redleghunter (#0)
buckeroo posted on 2018-02-23 13:45:58 Reply Private Reply
#3: Liberator To: redleghunter (#0)
It would only help reinforce and confirm the record, which is already reaffirmed as you note.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-23 13:48:26 Reply Private Reply
#4: Liberator To: buckeroo (#2)
Why are you stuck on this inconsequential claim of yours?
Are you trying to discredit certain claims or events?
Liberator posted on 2018-02-23 13:50:08 Reply Private Reply
#5: Liberator To: redleghunter (#1)
Islam is trying to usurp every non-Islam site, place, church, and authority on the planet and claim ALL of it as well as "history" as theirs. It's disgusting.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-23 13:52:44 Reply Private Reply
#6: buckeroo To: Liberator (#4)
Yup.
Judaism rose after 1000 BCE and not before. Facts based on objective evidence clearly shows that the religious practice of the Hebrews was borrowed from other cultures.
I have yet to show the Egyptian connection in approximate time frames either.
buckeroo posted on 2018-02-23 13:53:54 Reply Private Reply
#7: redleghunter To: Liberator (#5)
Yes the Dome is quite prominent.
Getting these finds are quite difficult when there are religious and political fault lines within 10s of meters.
Temple Mount Digs
redleghunter posted on 2018-02-23 13:57:58 Reply Private Reply
#8: redleghunter To: buckeroo (#6)
What's the objective evidence?
redleghunter posted on 2018-02-23 13:59:00 Reply Private Reply
#9: Liberator To: buckeroo (#6)
ALL cultures borrow from one another.
THAT said, why not discredit your "sources" that claim the Jews hadn't learned to read/write?
Are you aware of how many sources of "history" there are?
And...you DO realize that even IF there was no official "Hebrew" language or writings at the time, the various tribes of "Jews" *would* still be fluent in the local language, right?
Liberator posted on 2018-02-23 14:03:23 Reply Private Reply
#10: buckeroo To: redleghunter (#8)
buckeroo posted on 2018-02-23 14:07:17 Reply Private Reply
#11: Liberator To: redleghunter (#7)
Yes. That Dome is akin to a dog "marking" its territory. It's what they do, isn't it?
Getting these finds are quite difficult when there are religious and political fault lines within 10s of meters.
It is...
Just imagine the finds located beneath the Devil's Dome.
(How do you excavate a site where an archaeological dig could start a war?)
It's insane.
There is already historical mega-proof that Jerusalem is historically 100% Jewish. Any subsequent archaeological proof is just icing on the cake.
Archaeology and history -- two of my favorite subjects. Especially when they as well as geology reinforce the truth about the planet's past
Liberator posted on 2018-02-23 14:11:32 Reply Private Reply
#12: Liberator To: buckeroo (#10)
I'd like to examine them as well.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-23 14:13:06 Reply Private Reply
#13: buckeroo To: Liberator (#12)
buckeroo posted on 2018-02-23 14:22:37 Reply Private Reply
#14: A Pole To: Liberator (#11)
Jerusalem was Jewish since King David conquest around 1000 BC until uprising in 70 AD. This was less than 1/3 time span of this very old city.
A Pole posted on 2018-02-23 14:29:37 Reply Private Reply
#15: Hank Rearden To: redleghunter (#0)
Hank Rearden posted on 2018-02-23 14:38:32 Reply Private Reply
#16: Tooconservative To: buckeroo (#6)
Isaiah lived in 800 BC, by any reasonable estimate by experts. That is, if they think he existed at all. I'd say most do. The archaeological record shows that the Jews have maintained their oral and written history extremely well. Only 50-100 years ago, it was routinely believed that almost every figure in the Bible, OT & NT, were entirely mythical persons. Archaeology has provided all kinds of proof as to the accuracy of many details found in Jewish recordkeeping and things like inscriptions on foundations, ancient tablets with legal or business records, all kinds of unexpected finds that confirm that history only makes sense if we accept that the Jews were pretty good at their oral history and their written records.
So what is your argument anyway? Isaiah is not believed to have lived prior to 800 BC.
Of course, this fragment is intriguing but we only have a pottery fragment of some kind. We have to learn if it really was a seal by Isaiah or some other impression made at the site, perhaps made to honor his memory or his influence. Even if it turns out to be a memorial of some kind, that still testifies to some ancient knowledge of Isaiah in a certain era of ancient Israel. It helps to create or to cement other timelines about the ancient era in Israel. Isaiah was an esteemed person of the era and in subsequent centuries, down to modern times. Isaiah is probably more often read than any of the ancient Greek philosophers, for instance. Perhaps more than all the Greek philosophers combined.
Tooconservative posted on 2018-02-23 15:25:23 Reply Private Reply
#17: buckeroo To: Tooconservative (#16)
Of and about the time of the extraction of the Jews, marching into Babylonia.
buckeroo posted on 2018-02-23 15:42:24 Reply Private Reply
#18: sneakypete To: Liberator (#3)
It's awesome even if it's not true because it belonged to some important historical figure.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-23 16:15:47 Reply Private Reply
#19: sneakypete To: redleghunter (#7)
And regardless of what you find,it is going to piss off somebody somewhere.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-23 16:17:28 Reply Private Reply
#20: sneakypete To: Liberator (#9)
Yup. It's called evolution.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-23 16:19:04 Reply Private Reply
#21: A Pole To: sneakypete (#19)
The most likely it is going to piss off you, Mr crankypete ;)
A Pole posted on 2018-02-23 17:06:02 Reply Private Reply
#22: redleghunter To: buckeroo (#10)
Yet Moses was raised as a prince of Egypt.
This is the very simple alphabet the early Hebrews dealt with and would be known prior to their bondage in Egypt as they sojourned in Canaanite lands.
Which is a Phoenician variant: Paleo Hebrew Alphabet
redleghunter posted on 2018-02-23 17:14:14 Reply Private Reply
#23: redleghunter To: A Pole, Liberator (#14)
Yes your history is correct. Before David conquered the citadel the Jebusites a Canaanite race lived there probably for hundreds of years as Abraham was greeted by Melchizedek who was from the Jebusite city.
I believe Libertor was making the point Jerusalem has a long history of inhabiting Jerusalem which many skeptics and Muslims deny.
redleghunter posted on 2018-02-23 17:31:00 Reply Private Reply
#24: redleghunter To: Liberator (#12)
If a jawbone of a sheep were found next to Isaiah's bones we would have all over the MSM the missing link was found. :-)
redleghunter posted on 2018-02-23 17:34:19 Reply Private Reply
#25: buckeroo To: redleghunter (#22)
Where are there records in Egyptian history?
buckeroo posted on 2018-02-23 17:52:45 Reply Private Reply
#26: sneakypete To: A Pole (#21)
I am one of the most cheerful people you could ever hope to meet.I just don't suffer communists and other professional fools gracefully.
Frankly,I think there should be a bounty on them.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-23 19:08:10 Reply Private Reply
#27: redleghunter To: buckeroo (#25)
Destroyed during the 10 plagues.
Is there extra-biblical evidence of the ten plagues in Egypt?
If you are not convinced of this then maybe Hollywood has your answer:
redleghunter posted on 2018-02-23 21:25:16 Reply Private Reply
#28: buckeroo To: redleghunter (#27)
As opposed to suggesting reasons for no records, the answer is "NO." Just so you know, many of the Biblical accounts of and about Egyptian faebles are not documented anywhere but within the Bible. You would think there would be collaborating evidence by a great culture but you have alluded to the reasons adding more faebles.
buckeroo posted on 2018-02-23 21:35:49 Reply Private Reply
#29: redleghunter To: buckeroo (#28)
Collaborating evidence? Why would a shamed empire mention being destroyed by a bunch of slaves by their God?
If you apply the same stringent standard to all of antiquity that means none of the history from the ancients is reliable. You nuke history.
Ancient history is written by empires. They subdued other cultures. Was there a neutral history of Alexander? No. The history of Alexander is written by Greeks. However, due to the location of ancient Israel, we have the history of every major empire that conquered them. And the Hebrew history from the OT tells the story of the Hebrew people from the good, the bad and the ugly. It is a unique history as empires like Persia and Greece wrote only the glowing and glorious.
As 1st AD historian Josephus noted in his Antiquities:
For we have not an innumerable multitude of books among us, disagreeing from and contradicting one another, [as the Greeks have,] but only twenty-two books, which contain the records of all the past times; which are justly believed to be divine; and of them five belong to Moses, which contain his laws and the traditions of the origin of mankind till his death. This interval of time was little short of three thousand years; but as to the time from the death of Moses till the reign of Artaxerxes king of Persia, who reigned after Xerxes, the prophets, who were after Moses, wrote down what was done in their times in thirteen books.
The remaining four books contain hymns to God, and precepts for the conduct of human life. It is true, our history hath been written since Artaxerxes very particularly, but hath not been esteemed of the like authority with the former by our forefathers, because there hath not been an exact succession of prophets since that time; and how firmly we have given credit to these books of our own nation is evident by what we do; for during so many ages as have already passed, no one has been so bold as either to add any thing to them, to take any thing from them, or to make any change in them; but it is become natural to all Jews immediately, and from their very birth, to esteem these books to contain Divine doctrines, and to persist in them, and, if occasion be willingly to die for them.
Flavius Josephus, Against Apion
redleghunter posted on 2018-02-23 22:06:51 Reply Private Reply
#30: GrandIsland To: redleghunter (#29)
He's going to Paultard Hell.
lol
GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-23 22:09:24 Reply Private Reply
#31: buckeroo To: redleghunter (#29)
You have "nuked history" by your own suggestion that faebles cremated the same; look up your own posts as reference.
buckeroo posted on 2018-02-23 22:17:10 Reply Private Reply
#32: buckeroo To: GrandIsland (#30)
Why is this idea so bad? It could be a REVOLUTION!
buckeroo posted on 2018-02-23 22:20:56 Reply Private Reply
#33: redleghunter To: buckeroo (#31)
redleghunter posted on 2018-02-23 22:21:35 Reply Private Reply
#34: buckeroo To: redleghunter (#33)
All I can say is, "thank the creator." Our ancestors had clay and papyrus to write their ideas down for posterity; and there is evidence of cultural inscriptions in caves; which goes back about ~600 BCE. It was never forever. All that crap is made-up baggage.
Only the Bible hangs on the Hebrew faebles.
buckeroo posted on 2018-02-23 22:36:55 Reply Private Reply
#35: redleghunter To: buckeroo (#34)
redleghunter posted on 2018-02-24 00:57:45 Reply Private Reply