Mesa, AZ A family has just learned the hard way what calling police to help a relative can often look like as their grandmother is now in the hospital after a welfare check. Showing their incompetence, the welfare check was for another family member but the police assaulted the innocent grandmother anyway.
Ashlee Hahn detailed the alleged assault in a dramatic Facebook post which showed the extent of her grandmothers injuries. Hahns grandmother was hurt so bad during the check that she had to be hospitalized.
According to Hahn, her grandmother is recovering from her fourth stroke and is confused, cognitively impaired & barely physically able to stand on her own because of uncontrollable shaking.
Hahns mother had called in a welfare check for a different family member who lived on her grandmothers property. Police were even given specific instructions not to disturb the 84-year-old.
The police were called to her residence for a wellness check for a close family member who lives on her property, explained Hahn. They were specifically asked not to bother or question my grandmother because of her present and very fragile state.
In spite of telling them to steer clear, however, police did the exact opposite.
They forced her out of her home into the street, holding her arms tight enough to leave bruises and bleeding, wrote Hahn. Her inability to hold still (because of her previous strokes, as seen in uploaded videos) inclined them to slam her down, head first on the asphalt. They handcuffed her after she woke from her unconscious state.
When Hahns grandmother woke up, she was in the hospital, bloodied and bruised. Police then immediately began conducting damage control.
After seeing the damage they had done & sending my Grandmother off in an ambulance, they called my Mother (who made the original wellness check call) and told her that my Grandmother slipped, Hahn explained.
To try and alleviate their liability, an officer was sent, not to check on an elderly grandmother whod just been the subject of a savage attack, but, instead, to defend their fellow cop and his choice to inflict harm on an innocent old lady.
The officer who came down to the hospital only seemed to care about deflecting & defending the officers involved. No accountability. No apologies, Hahn wrote.
Whats more, to try to legitimize the attack on an innocent grandmother, police then charged her with obstruction.
Hahn filmed part of the interaction with the officer in the hospital as he defended his fellow cops decision to needlessly confront her (against the familys wishes) and then violently throw her to the ground.
Why did he put me down on the asphalt? asked the innocent elderly woman.
It is my understanding when I spoke to the officer, that you pulled away from him a little bit and he took action like that, okay? the officer callously explains of how his fellow officer could somehow rationalize assaulting an innocent grandmother.
Pulling away from an officer a little bit in the land of the free will now apparently result in innocent elderly women being thrown to the ground.
I said dont treat me like this. I dont want to have a stroke, the innocent grandmother says as she shakes in her hospital bed. I dont want to have a heart attack. Dont treat me this way.
But he did and now an innocent elderly woman is facing charges because of some arrogant cop who thinks his authority grants him permission to abuse grandmothers.
According to Hahn, her grandmother is traumatized & feels untrusting of the people who she thought would protect her.
Hahn has a message for the Mesa Police Department as well.
If this was your grandmother, what would you do? Mesa police department needs to be held accountable.
Indeed, they do.
#1: Deckard To: All (#0)
Deckard posted on 2018-02-17 10:00:58 Reply Private Reply
#2: Stoner To: Deckard (#1)
Geeze man, when is this kinda shit going to end ???
Lets see who here is going to be the first to come out to defend these " hero's " ???
When this old woman files here lawsuit, I would LOVE to be on the Jury !!!
Seems like the Mesa Police Dept needs a real good houscleaning!!! Bunch of wimps !!!
Stoner posted on 2018-02-17 13:59:53 Reply Private Reply
#3: Fred Mertz To: Deckard (#1)
Not enough details to figure this one out.
Fred Mertz posted on 2018-02-17 14:30:03 Reply Private Reply
#4: Gatlin To: All, Deckard (#0)
From TFTP:
From local sources: From TFTP: There was no mention that the [suicidal] man was a close family member.From local sources:
From TFTP: From local sources: From TFTP: From local sources: From local sources: From TFTP: From TFTP: Both Hahn and her mother ought to have their asses kicked to kingdom come and back for leaving granny alone while granny is, as Hahn stated: recovering from her fourth stroke and is confused, cognitively impaired & barely physically able to stand on her own because of uncontrollable shaking. And living with a psycho on her property.Gatlin posted on 2018-02-17 21:53:30 Reply Private Reply
#5: Deckard To: Gatlin (#4)
It's interesting that you praise these sadistic thugs for brutally taking down a confused old woman and then having the unmitigated gall to charge her for a crime.
It's interesting - but not surprising.
Your unfettered worship of cops and your submissive authority fetish for anyone wearing a badge is well documented on this site.
Deckard posted on 2018-02-17 22:07:24 Reply Private Reply
#6: Deckard To: Gatlin (#4)
In spite of telling them to steer clear, however, police did the exact opposite.
Deckard posted on 2018-02-17 22:09:32 Reply Private Reply
#7: Gatlin To: Deckard (#6)
Since the man was reported to be suicidal, he could easily have taken granny with him.
The police were not going to leave granny in the house with a suicidal man.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-17 22:37:57 Reply Private Reply
#8: Gatlin To: Deckard (#5)
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-17 22:41:17 Reply Private Reply
#9: Gatlin To: Deckard (#6)
The granddaughter and her mother should NEVER have left granny alone in her condition.
It was selfishly inconsiderate of them....SAD.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-17 22:47:56 Reply Private Reply
#10: Deckard To: Gatlin (#9)
Deckard posted on 2018-02-17 23:01:50 Reply Private Reply
#11: Gatlin To: Deckard (#10)
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-17 23:04:18 Reply Private Reply
#12: GrandIsland To: Gatlin (#4)
Thanks for the time you put in to exposing DickTards yella bullshit.
Excellent post.
GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-18 00:22:28 Reply Private Reply
#13: GrandIsland To: Stoner (#2)
She'll win an out of court settlement... she was hurt when officers pulled her to the ground for her safety. Old people bruise, bleed and injure easy. However, it's shit like this that's removed every shred of empathy I ever had for the human race. I'd have let the bitch get shot and left her standing there. I'd rather get sued for not INTENTIONALLY HELPING HER than sued for helping her and hurting her.
Fuck her and her dysfunctional suicidal fucked up scumbag family.
GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-18 00:29:01 Reply Private Reply
#14: Deckard To: GrandIsland (#13)
Yeah right - THAT'S what they did.
More likely they "feared for their lives" from a helpless old lady.
Deckard posted on 2018-02-18 01:16:58 Reply Private Reply
#15: Gatlin To: GrandIsland, All (#13)
As part of a year-long investigation of fatal shootings by police, The Washington Post examined the cases of 59 officers who were charged over the past decade for fatally shooting someone while on duty, allegedly crossing the line between enforcing the law and breaking it.
In criminal court, 11 of the officers were convicted and served time. But when 46 families of those shot and killed by police sought justice in the civil system, 32 received monetary awards, The Post found. Settlements ranged from $7,500 to $8.5 million. The median settlement was $1.2 million. Seven families have not filed suit.
When officers were criminally convicted, families won settlements in all but one case, The Post found. But when the officers were acquitted or had criminal charges dismissed, families were just as likely to win civil settlements.
The review also found that families collected more money if they settled before the criminal cases were resolved. When families accepted settlements before criminal charges were resolved, they received a median award of $2.2 million. When the settlement came after criminal proceedings ended, the families received $500,000.
Civil settlements and awards in police shootings
Many families who sue over a wrongful fatal police shooting win awards, with a median value of $1.2 million.
010Over $1 million18 civil suits$100,000 to $1M8Less than $100,0004Undisclosed amount1None2Pending12 Note: Amounts include awards arising from settlements as well as from civil court rulings.
Most of the settlements are between families and the officers employer. Going after the officer rarely pays off. Many lawyers dont bother to sue the officer who pulled the trigger. As civil servants, they tend to have few assets. And if you dont sue them, you prevent the officer and the officers wife from making an emotional appeal to the jury, said Michael Napier, a lawyer in Phoenix who for four decades has represented police officers, including Chrisman in the Rodriguez case.
Instead, suits are typically filed against the city or county or state that employed the officer, usually under a federal civil rights statute first enacted in 1871 to combat the Ku Klux Klan. But winning such lawsuits is difficult. The laws strongly favor police, requiring families to prove that officers acted unreasonably or that their departments acted with deliberate indifference.
If you dont have a good case, youre doing people more harm than good, said Michael Avery, founder and director of the National Police Accountability Project, a network of civil rights lawyers who handle police abuse cases. Every lawsuit is a mine field. There are a hundred mines in the field, and we have to get across without tripping any one of them. If we trip one, we lose.
Even when families collect settlements, victory can feel hollow. Tarika Wilson, a 26- year-old Ohio woman, was unarmed and holding her 14-month-old boy when she was killed during a SWAT raid on her home in 2008. The sergeant in the case was acquitted of homicide and assault charges; the city of Lima settled with the family for $2.5 million.
Its very hard on the families, said Cheryl R. Washington, an attorney who represented Wilsons family. The settlements are based on the monetary value of that persons life. What did that person do? What would they have done if they werent killed? . . . Her children lost their mother, and the amount of money in a case like this is never enough.
I believe more cities should fight back in civil lawsuits instead of making massive out of court settlements.
Lawsuits against the police can be won like happened in the Salt Lake City case where a a jury rejected a claim in a lawsuit that a Morgan County sheriffs officer used excessive force when he shot a woman in the left eye at the end of a 2012 police chase.
After deliberating for about an hour at the conclusion of a five-day trial in Farmingtons 2nd District Court, jurors returned a unanimous verdict on Oct. 27 that found Sgt. Daniel Peay did not violate the constitutional rights of Kristine Biggs Johnson.
We are pleased with the verdict and appreciated the diligence of the jury and the court, said attorney Julia Kyte, who with attorney Jeffrey Bramble represented Peay. Sergeant Peay is an excellent officer and we believe the correct result was reached in this case.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-18 04:30:26 Reply Private Reply
#16: Gatlin To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#14)
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-18 04:43:31 Reply Private Reply
#17: Liberator To: GrandIsland (#13)
Many older people -- old biddies in particular -- do seem to have major hostility problems with the world. (seen at FR.)
Dunno if it's a bitterness about chronic pain, life-resentments, past husband abuse , hating men in general, etc, but the stereotype is true for good reason.
Thorazine is said to help.
;-)
Liberator posted on 2018-02-18 11:00:51 Reply Private Reply
#18: Deckard To: Gatlin (#16)
If a non-cop treated an old woman like this - it would be assault.
Deckard posted on 2018-02-18 11:02:17 Reply Private Reply
#19: Liberator To: Gatlin (#11)
Wow. You actually made a good point.
Liberator posted on 2018-02-18 11:03:02 Reply Private Reply
#20: Deckard To: Gatlin (#15)
That's pretty much an admission of guilt by the cops.
After all - if they didn't do anything wrong, why make the payouts to the families?
Deckard posted on 2018-02-18 11:05:27 Reply Private Reply
#21: Gatlin To: Deckard (#18)
"if"...."If"...."if"...."if"....
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-18 15:24:20 Reply Private Reply
#22: Gatlin To: Deckard (#20)
They should not when an officer is acquitted in a criminal trial.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-18 15:26:18 Reply Private Reply
#23: Deckard To: Gatlin (#22)
Yet by paying out money in those cases, they are tacitly admitting guilt.
Deckard posted on 2018-02-18 16:43:03 Reply Private Reply
#24: Gatlin To: Deckard (#23)
Dont try to spin it by adding the word tacitly.
Are out of court settlements seen as 'admission of guilt'?
The answer is: Legally, NO.
In fact the court rules and rules of evidence encourage parties to settle matters whenever possible, and neither offers of settlement nor actual settlements themselves are admissible as evidence of guilt or wrongdoing.
You lose....AGAIN.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-18 19:35:04 Reply Private Reply