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The Tea Party [Freedom Caucus], Not Democrats or Republicans, Is the Problem. It’s de rigueur to decry ‘partisanship’ as Washington’s ‘real problem.’ Let’s get real—the most destructive force in American politics today is the Tea Party, says Jon Favreau. So now that our government is open and able to pay its bills, what soon-to-be-forgotten lessons have we learned from this sorry fiasco? Perhaps most important is the reminder that political temper tantrums in Washington exact a toll that goes far beyond unfavorable headlines and worse-than-dog-poo poll numbers. This decision hurt people. Some families couldn’t pay their bills. Others had nowhere safe to send their children while they worked. Poor women lost vouchers that helped buy food and formula for their newborns. Cancer treatments were put on hold for patients who didn’t have much time to waste. All told, the shutdown and flirtation with default cost America north of $20 billion. The countries that weren’t busy mocking us were frightened by our behavior, wondering if the world’s wealthiest nation would become the world’s deadbeat nation, taking everyone else down with us in a global collapse worse than 2008. And for what? For what purpose was this pain and humiliation inflicted upon the American people? Yes, you, Rep. Marlin Stutzman from Indiana. Do you have an answer? “We’re not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.” Oh. Which brings me to the second shutdown lesson. As a country, we may never get a more revealing, disturbing look at the true source of Washington’s dysfunction than we did over the last few weeks. Together, we endured a 21-hour non- filibuster speech from White Castle enthusiast Ted Cruz that was so devoid of self-awareness I’m not even sure he knew he was giving it. We saw Sarah Palin come all the way back from the small town of Irrelevancy, Alaska, to lead the charge against an open-air memorial that was blocked by a 3-foot barricade, while a few assholes waved Confederate flags outside the White House and reminded each other that Obama’s a Muslim, just for good measure. We saw the shutdown rationale shift from defunding Obamacare to delaying Obamacare to cutting spending to reforming entitlements to charging congressional staffers more for health insurance to cutting taxes for stethoscope manufacturers to something, anything that would embarrass the president. As we inched closer to the abyss, we witnessed a parade of right-wing mathletes run the numbers and confidently deny the economic catastrophe that would result from America’s first-ever financial default. And as the speaker of the House made one last half-hearted effort to save his caucus from total defeat, we watched Jim DeMint’s Heritage Foundation kill the plan with a press release, a move just about everyone saw coming that only served to remind us who’s really in charge. In Official Washington, decrying “partisanship” as the “real problem” is the prerequisite for being taken seriously as a smart, unbiased political commentator. But from where we stand right now, partisanship is not the problem. Democrats are not the problem. Republicans are not the problem. The relationship between President Obama and John Boehner is not the problem. The Tea Party is the problem. The Tea Party is the most destructive force in American politics today. Over the last few weeks, it has demonstrated again that its intent is not to shake up the establishment but to burn down the village. As a Democrat, I disagree with its policy positions, but its policy positions alone are not what make the Tea Party so dangerous. What makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy. They do not believe in the legitimacy of our president. They do not believe in the legitimacy of decisions handed down by our Supreme Court. Unlike President Obama, Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, or a host of other Democratic and Republican lawmakers who grasp the basic reality of politics, they have never, not once shown a willingness to compromise on anything. Merely uttering the word is enough to draw a primary challenge. All this, despite the fact that the Tea Party represents the views of a small, ever- shrinking fraction of Americans. Even within the Republican Party, its members’ favorability hovers around 50 percent, the lowest of all time. Their recent legislative strategy, a word that can be used only in its loosest sense, led to 144 Tea Party House members voting against a bipartisan compromise simply to open the government and avert default. But when Reuters polled people who weren’t satisfied with last week’s outcome, only 2 percent said it was because the House passed the Senate’s bipartisan bill. Only 5 percent said it was because Republicans compromised. Only 3 percent said it was because default would have taught our government an important lesson. Most people said their main dissatisfaction was with the ugly process the Tea Party dragged us all through. And yet, somehow, this small minority of Tea Party House members, who represent less than one half of one legislative body in one branch of government, has been given enormous influence over the national agenda—a situation without precedent in American political history. It’s insanity. The president and Boehner can hang out, drink beers, play golf, and shake hands on all kinds of deals. Boehner has been open to revenue in the past. Obama has put entitlement cuts on the table that made his party uncomfortable. The Senate has already passed bipartisan immigration legislation, and there are enough Republicans and Democrats in Congress who are willing to compromise and make progress on any number of issues. But Boehner was, in his own words, “overrun” by the Tea Party during the shutdown, and so long as he and other Republicans fear challenges from the fringe more than the frustrations of the majority, nothing will get done. And we will find ourselves in the same predicament again and again, regardless of who is elected president or speaker or majority leader. The Republican Party is at war with itself. And as tempting as it might be for Democrats to gloat from the sidelines, it is in all of our interests—Democrats, independents, and Republicans—to make sure the Tea Party doesn’t win. In 2014, candidates of both parties should challenge their rivals to sign a No Shutdown Pledge and a No Default Pledge. In House races, candidates should be asked whether they’re willing to violate the ridiculous Hastert rule and allow simple up-or-down votes on legislation that could pass with bipartisan support, no matter who holds the majority. In Senate races, they should be asked whether they’re willing to make it harder for bipartisan legislation to be filibustered by a Ted Cruz or a Mike Lee. Democrats and Republicans can argue all they want over the role of government, but we cannot allow the Tea Party to continue holding the country hostage over its kamikaze mission to destroy government. The vast majority of Americans reject that mission, and we’re not about to sacrifice ourselves or our democracy as collateral damage. It’s time for all of us to get together and fight the crazy. Poster Comment: |
The Tea Party [Freedom Caucus], Not Democrats or Republicans, Is the Problem
| Source: | The Daily Beast |
| Published: | Oct 20, 2013 |
| Author: | JON FAVREAU |
| Post Date: | 2018-02-12 06:00:36 by Gatlin |
| Views: | 13674 |
#1: Vicomte13 To: Gatlin (#0)
The Tea Party failed, and the Democrats will fail. Republicans failed long ago. We're governed by failures all around.
Throw them all out and replace them with the Olympians when they come home from Korea.
True, they know nothing about politics. But the people who run Washington know everything about politics - and they keep crashing the plane. So it won't be worse.
And the Olympians, at least, every one of them, have a decades-long tradition of self-discipline and focus on what is necessary to succeed. The politicians also know how to succeed - in getting elected - but self-discipline has nothing to do with it.
Since we're not really going to do that, we just have to tend our own gardens and hope for the best. There's no real chance that our government is going to get any better.
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-12 06:20:37 Reply Private Reply
#2: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#0)
Have you gone to the dark side quoting Obama's Director of Speechwriting.
He is Wrong and so are you. Democrats are always a problem. The tea party is was the solution. You're sounding like a snowflake. The budget needs to be balanced. You are completely wrong here. Rand Paul and the freedom caucus are correct.
You don't compromise with evil you defeat it.
That is what got us in this boat half assed compromise.
Did we compromise with the British? No we defeated them.
A K A Stone posted on 2018-02-12 07:50:09 Reply Private Reply
#3: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#1)
Haha yes let's go like the poop and embrace faggots.
A K A Stone posted on 2018-02-12 07:52:36 Reply Private Reply
#4: Gatlin To: Vicomte13 (#1)
There is an article by Paul Waldman [dated February 3, 2016] titled Paul Ryan to Tea Party: You are the problem which I cannot post since it is behind a pay wall. But I can post the speech the article is written about. It was the fascinating speech by Paul Ryan at Heritage Action, a tea party-allied organization that has fashioned itself as the guardian of conservative purity.
In his speech, Ryan called for unity. “To quote William Wallace in Braveheart,” he said, “we have to unite the clans.”
However his speech was actually a revocation of things the tea party has done. Ryan also used the occasion to take shots at the congressional Republican leadership, and even the GOP presidential candidates at that time. While he didn’t actually call anyone out by name, but with an understanding of what was happening then and the conflict that has continued to roil in the Republican Party in recent years, the salient critique was hard to miss...and his points are still as important today as much as there were then.
I believe we can all win when we get together and have an ideas contest. But we lose when certain individuals make it a personality contest. Conservatives cannot win while some of the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus are acting like angry reactionaries. The actions by some in the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus has created a fragmented conservative movement that is now letting the progressives win by default.
The Left is enjoying the action as the Tea Party and the Freedom Caucus continue to cause the conservative movement to stand in a circular firing squad. This revolting display of alpha personalities playing to TV cameras only permits progressives to win by dereliction. The Left just sits back and laughs as they follow the old Napoleon Bonaparte adage: “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
The Tea Party and the Freedom Caucus didn’t listen to Ryan back then and they will still today only listen to each other as they continually strut and pump their already overinflated egos . It seems nothing will ever change that.
The speech by Paul Ryan:
WASHINGTON — Today, House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) attended the Heritage Action Conservative Policy Summit to discuss opportunities to unite around a bold agenda to save the American Idea. Watch the event live here. Below are his full remarks as prepared for delivery:
We Have to Unite Conservatives
- Dated: February 3, 2016.
“Thank you very much. I want to thank Mike and everyone at Heritage Action for hosting us today. These are the kinds of conversations we need to be having. These are the kinds of conversations we were having when I was working for Jack Kemp at Empower America. That’s how House Republicans put together the Contract with America.
“I’m a Jack Kemp, Ronald Reagan conservative. They both understood we need to be talking about what our vision is and how we can make it a reality. We need to raise our gaze. That’s how you move America forward. And that’s what I want to talk to you about.
“Let’s cut to the chase: There are a lot of people hurting in America right now. They don’t think the promise of this country is real for them. The American Idea—that the condition of your birth, it does not determine the outcome of your life—a lot of people don’t think that’s true anymore. And if the American Idea is not true for everybody, then it is not true at all.
“And we just can’t accept that. It goes against everything this country stands for. We are the conservative party. We want to conserve this country’s promise. And so we care about opportunity. We want every person in this country to find the American dream. That is our mission.
“So the question we face in 2016 is simple: Do we want more of the same? Do we want the liberal progressives to lock in all their gains? Or are we, the other party— the conservative party—going to get the country back on the right track? And how do we do that?
“To quote William Wallace in Braveheart, we have to unite the clans.
“We have to unite conservatives around a bold, pro-growth agenda that will get America back on track—and then take our agenda to the people. We have to take our founding principles—freedom, liberty, free enterprise, self-determination, government by consent—apply them to the problems of the day, and come up with real solutions that will build a confident America. If we don’t think the country’s headed in the right direction—and we don’t—then we have an obligation to give the people of this nation a choice for a better way forward. And that’s what House Republicans are going to do.
“My theory of the case is this: We win when we have an ideas contest. We lose when we have a personality contest. We can’t fall into the progressives’ trap of acting like angry reactionaries. The Left would love nothing more than for a fragmented conservative movement to stand in a circular firing squad, so the progressives can win by default.
“This president is struggling to remain relevant in an election year when he’s not on the ballot. He is going to do all he can to elect another progressive by distracting the American people. So he’s going to try to get us talking about guns or some other hot-button issue and not about his failures on ISIS or the economy or national security. He’s going to try to knock us off our game. We have to understand his distractions for what they are. Otherwise, we’re going to have a distraction this week, next week, and the week after that. And that’s going to be the Obama playbook all year long.
“And so what I want to say to you today is this: Don’t take the bait. Don’t fight over tactics. And don’t impugn people’s motives. It’s fine if you disagree. And there’s a lot that’s rotten in Washington. There’s no doubt about that. But we can’t let how you vote on an amendment to an appropriations bill define what it means to be a conservative. Because, it’s setting our sights too low. Frankly, that’s letting the president define us. That’s what he wants us to do. That’s defining ourselves as an opposition party, instead of a proposition party.
“So we have to be straight with each other, and more importantly, we have to be straight with the American people. We can’t promise that we can repeal Obamacare when a guy with the last name Obama is president. All that does is set us up for failure . . . and disappointment . . . and recriminations.
“When voices in the conservative movement demand things that they know we can’t achieve with a Democrat in the White House, all that does is depress our base and in turn help Democrats stay in the White House. We can’t do that anymore.
“I don’t want to set us up for failure. I want to set us up for success. That’s something we all can work on—together. And the way to do that is to unify around a vision. We need to define the horizon we’re aiming for. And then we need to bring the rest of the country with us.
“That’s why I’m really heartened by what you’re doing today. You’ve put out your plan to get America back on track. Now we’re putting together our own. And today we’re going to share ideas and flesh out our vision. If we keep this up, I think there will be no question that in 2016 the Republican party will be the party of ideas. As you know, we’re already at work on our agenda. It has five parts: national security; jobs and economic growth; health care; poverty and opportunity. . . .
“And finally, the last piece of this agenda—and it is so critical to all the others—is restoring the Constitution. The president's executive overreach has undermined the Constitution and damaged the people’s trust. What needs to be done to restore the separation of powers and protect our constitutional liberties? What good is enacting all these great conservative policies if another charismatic progressive can talk his or her way into the White House again and undo it all with a pen and a phone?
“So, those are our five points. We’re saying, here is what we will do if you, the men and women of America, give us a Republican president we can work with to do this. And we’re ready to work with everyone at Heritage Action as we put together that agenda.
“We want your ideas and your input. As far as I’m concerned, if you have ideas, we’re all ears.
“Because the way I see it, that’s how we turn the country around. In the late 1970s, Jack Kemp and House conservatives put out a plan to cut taxes and restore America to her greatness. It was bold and aspirational. It was so compelling that Ronald Reagan ran on those ideas in 1980.
“And what happened? Reagan ran the tables. The Republican party won a mandate from the people, and the rest, as they say, is history. And Mandate for Leadership was a cornerstone of that moment.
“Well, that is exactly what we need to do today. And the stakes are even higher. So we need to be inspirational. We need to be inclusive. We need to show how our principles and policies are universal and how they apply to everybody. We know that the economy is weak. We know that the world is on fire. We know that the future is uncertain. There’s a lot of frustration and anger out there. And is it justified? It sure is.
“But we should not follow the Democrats and play identity politics. Let's talk to people in ways that unite us and that are unique to America's founding. That’s what I think people are hungry for. And that really is the essence of the Republican party— or, more importantly, the essence of the conservative movement. And that is our mission for the next six months.
“All told, I am excited. I am optimistic. Why? Because the Left is intellectually exhausted. Their ideas have failed. And we are just getting started. We have all the makings for a mandate from the people to save the American Idea. Now let’s go get it.”
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-12 08:11:54 Reply Private Reply
#5: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, compromising snowflake, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#0)
Gatlin & Trump's snowflake nation will compromise on anything. That's how we've got record spending, a new deficit high, and Hillary McCain's foreign policy of forever wars.
It takes guts and moral values to hold the line and demand AMERICA FIRST! The real Tea Party and the Freedom Caucus have them, the D&R party Trump/Schumer Deep State Swamp Coalition of compromise doesn't.
Justin Amash, Rand Paul, Henry Clay, Thomas Massie
Hondo68 posted on 2018-02-12 08:46:21 Reply Private Reply
#6: misterwhite To: Gatlin (#0)
The shutdown was the result of Mr. Schumer and his clan insisting on amnesty for 700,000 illegals in exchange for passing a budget.
A) What did the Tea Party have to do with that and, B) How did that follow "the most basic tenets of of American democracy"?
misterwhite posted on 2018-02-12 09:29:55 Reply Private Reply
#7: VxH To: Vicomte13 (#1)
[U.S. Figure Skater Adam Rippon Unimpressed By ‘Generic’ Olympic Condoms]
More condoms will be distributed at the Pyeongchang Games than at any previous Winter Olympics.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ad am -rippon-olympic-condoms_us_5a8026e4e4b044b3821e4901
Eff the "Olympians" and the "elite" STD infested jackwagon they dribbled in on.
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 09:50:55 Reply Private Reply
#8: VxH To: Gatlin (#0)
Meanwhile, in reality land, it's not Tea Party folks who are advocating gutting the first amendment and implementing restrictions upon freedom of speech on American college campuses and elsewhere.
Nope, that'd be snowflakes like Comrade Favroo and his fellow Vanguard Elite Jesuit Schooled swine who'd happily sleep in the beds of the Farmhouse - WIF SHEETS!
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Dear Comrade Favrooo,
Have a Nice Day!
A. T. Partyer
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 10:07:14 Reply Private Reply
#9: Vicomte13 To: VxH (#7)
Olympians are not infested with STDs - if they were it would drag down their performance - but they are true elites: the best in the world at what they do. Whether what they do is valuable or not is a matter of personal opinion, but the notion that they are not the epitome of athleticism is ridiculous. They are.
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-12 10:39:45 Reply Private Reply
#10: VxH To: Vicomte13 (#9)
If you do, you will.
Bon Appetit, Mr. "Elite" Jesuitard!
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 11:02:50 Reply Private Reply
#11: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#2)
If you don’t read and learn from your enemy, and then use the learned information.....you cannot expect to defeat your enemy. You have lost from the beginning if you don’t know your enemy. Andwhen you fail to recognize and deal with a problem and all you can do is put your blinders on, stand around and wave pom poms while yelling “Rah-Rah Rand”....then you are doomed to live with the problem and continue to complain about it.
Moving on …
I unequivocally asked: “Where is Jon Favreau wrong?”
And your response was:
That’s no answer. So, I will ask you again to tell me where he is worng. About WHAT? Democrats are a nusiance. However, the Democrats do create a problem when it comes to getting enough votes to pass a bill. But the problem in not getting a bill passed, the REAL problem is getting a bill submitted to pass. And who causes this MAJOR problem? thing about it. Then remember me saying: “We have met the enemy and the enemy is us.” Here come the Freedom Caucus … Okay, since you believe that....then you will have absolutely no problem explaining to me why they are the solution and tell me specifically what they have done. Can you do that? I suspect not. No, I am not. But you sure are thinking like one. Since you fail to fully realize the Tea Party is more unpopular with Americans than ever....including among Republicans. Polls continue to show this. It is a steep decline. Of course it does. No, you are the one that is wrong here. You are wrong because I NEVER said the budget did not need to be balances. You need to start reading what I say and stop reading what you THINK that I say. Yes, they are correct in saying what is wrong and what should be done about it. And when you don’t defeat evil…what do you do then? You must learn to handle it. Just as we must learn to handle the malignant narcissists who love to make everything about them and say their way is the ONLY way. How so? Did we have a “Freedom Caucus back then trying to tell us their way was the ONLY way to run the war?No, thank God....we did not.
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-12 11:08:35 Reply Private Reply
#12: Vicomte13 To: VxH (#10)
Thank you for your kind words, Christian.
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-12 11:08:39 Reply Private Reply
#13: VxH To: Vicomte13 (#12)
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 11:24:49 Reply Private Reply
#14: sneakypete To: Gatlin (#0)
We are NOT a democracy,you shithead. We are a Republic. Learn the difference and then get back to me.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-12 11:29:37 Reply Private Reply
#15: Gatlin To: misterwhite (#6)
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-12 11:37:27 Reply Private Reply
#16: Gatlin To: sneakypete (#14)
There is not a chance in Hell that Jon Favreau will ever read your post and “get back to you.”
However, you may reach him @jonfavs ...
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-12 11:42:27 Reply Private Reply
#17: misterwhite To: Gatlin (#15)
... by holding the federal budget hostage.
misterwhite posted on 2018-02-12 11:45:21 Reply Private Reply
#18: Gatlin To: misterwhite (#17)
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-12 11:51:54 Reply Private Reply
#19: sneakypete To: A K A Stone (#2)
They have been THE problem ever since the Dim Party was formed because their goal from day one was to destroy our Republic and replace it with a Stalinist Democracy.
"Fairness" demands that everyone but the leaders suffer equally.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-12 11:58:17 Reply Private Reply
#20: sneakypete To: VxH (#13)
WTF does AIDS have to do with it? How many viruses are registered to vote or hold office?
If you are not a homo,WTF are YOU so focused on AIDS? Someone can mention the temperature in Chicago,and idiots like you want to jump on the thread and start screaming about faggots and AIDS.
Methinks thou protests too much.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-12 12:18:13 Reply Private Reply
#21: sneakypete To: Gatlin (#16)
There is not one chance in hell of him responding. He's a Dim,which means he likes echo chambers where all he hears the live-long day is how wonderful and smart he is.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-12 12:20:54 Reply Private Reply
#22: VxH To: sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#20)
What do Condoms have to do with the "elite" Olympics?
Sure, let's take the Uberfruit cakes off the ice and put MORE of 'em in the White Hut.
FAIL.
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 12:47:02 Reply Private Reply
#23: Vicomte13 To: VxH (#13)
My father died of AIDS, that is true. How kind of you to bring it up.
His live-in nurse stole all of the money I had invested over many years of Naval Service. He was able to do it, while I was deployed to Kuwait/Iraq and then Somalia because my mail went home, and he had many months to take it out of the mailbox, represent himself as me, and liquidate it all.
I came back to zero dollars and a dying father. It was a crappy circumstance to be sure. So I took care of my father until the end. The thief spent all the money and died of AIDS. I never got it back.
Now that you've brought that all up, sprinkled with all sorts of comments about my "elite" navy "career" - yes, it was an elite Navy career: I am a graduate, with honors, from the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, and I was a naval aviator who served twice under combat conditions, and earned a NCM with a combat "V" for something that happened in one of those.
You blithely dismiss - even attempt to weaponize, apparently - other people's personal tragedies and military service. Where did YOU serve? For how long? Ever get shot at serving your country?
I'm not going to ask you about the death of your father, because it's such an indecent thing to do in a political argument that I can't even comprehend the mind that would stoop to it.
But you go on being you. Men like I was will go on out there in the fleet defending your right to say such things. I tell people to grow a thick skin, and I have one. Know why? Hardships like the one you mocked above.
My father died of AIDS. It was horrendous. Are you happy to bring it up? Does it make you feel big? Does it make you feel like you just pulled a "gotcha"?
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-12 13:07:49 Reply Private Reply
#24: VxH To: Vicomte13 (#23)
And No Retirement?
Play "elite" games, win "elite" prizes, Mr. Überviscount.
More of your kind of "elite" is the last thing this country needs running the show, Comrade.
GFYSelves!
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 13:17:15 Reply Private Reply
#25: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#3)
You're calling all Olympians "faggots".
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-12 13:29:57 Reply Private Reply
#26: Vicomte13 To: VxH (#24)
You too.
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-12 13:31:12 Reply Private Reply
#27: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#25)
A K A Stone posted on 2018-02-12 13:33:21 Reply Private Reply
#28: Gatlin To: sneakypete (#21)
Gatlin posted on 2018-02-12 13:43:35 Reply Private Reply
#29: VxH To: Vicomte13 (#23)
Evidently one that ended without retirement benefits or a career in civilian aviation.
He didn't die from AIDS.
But yours did, Mr. Überviscount. That "Elite" Überblood you're so Überproud of, full of HIV. Tsk Tsk. Boohoo for Überyou.
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 13:47:30 Reply Private Reply
#30: Vicomte13 To: VxH (#29)
Retirement requires 20 years of active duty. I left active duty at the 12 year point.
Civilian aviation pays considerably less than what I chose for my second career. I did not much consider civilian aviation as something I would want to do after Navy Air. Not interested in driving a bus.
Yes, my father died of AIDS. You seem to think that you are making a "point" by dragging this up into a political discussion. Everybody dies, VxH.
The only point that you are making is that you are a cockroach.
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-12 14:18:14 Reply Private Reply
#31: VxH To: Vicomte13 (#30)
Flushing a$$paper into the global economic sewer system. Uhuh. Meanwhile, you still got a mortgage while most of the Commercial Aviators I've run into have several homes... all paid off.
Was it Elite Über HIV that infected the Überblood, or just the regular kind? And, just how far did the "elite" Überapple fall from the "elite" Übertree?
One of the things my dad, and the coworkers who were at his bedside when he died, taught their kids was -- nobody is smart enough to lie.
YÜMMV, Comrade!
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 14:28:52 Reply Private Reply
#32: Vicomte13 To: VxH (#31)
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-12 14:32:09 Reply Private Reply
#33: VxH To: Vicomte13 (#32)
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 14:35:14 Reply Private Reply
#34: Vicomte13 To: VxH (#33)
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-12 15:02:13 Reply Private Reply
#35: sneakypete To: VxH (#22)
That's the best lame shit you can come up with?
I don't want to shock you,but condoms are also used to prevent pregnancy,as well as to prevent catching venereal diseases besides AIDS.
And at the risk of putting you further into shock,Olympic athletes tend to be young in amazing physical condition. Which means sex drives pegging the meter. Boys and girls WILL do what boys and girls do when they are away from home.
Deal with it.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-12 17:36:51 Reply Private Reply
#36: sneakypete To: VxH (#13)
Do you tongue wrestle with your mother using that mouth? Or maybe your father and brother? Either way,you have all the class of Bill Maher.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-12 17:39:00 Reply Private Reply
#37: sneakypete To: VxH (#29)
IF there is a GOD,he must be looking down on you and wondering to himself,"HTF did THAT happen? That SOB should have miscarried instead of living long enough to become a miscarriage.
At any rate you can believe he's not pointing down to you as one of his finest works.
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-12 17:45:07 Reply Private Reply
#38: sneakypete To: Vicomte13, VxH (#34)
He seems pretty typical to me. Have you seen AKA or any of the other Bible Thumpers here calling him out over this?
sneakypete posted on 2018-02-12 17:47:42 Reply Private Reply
#39: VxH To: Vicomte13 (#34)
Why, you planning on assuming dominion over my faith with your "elite" Jesuit bullshyte, Comrade?
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 20:18:29 Reply Private Reply
#40: VxH To: sneakypete (#35)
XX+XY=Human
Think about that with every wheeezing breath, turd burglar.
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 22:33:46 Reply Private Reply
#41: Vicomte13 To: VxH (#39)
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-12 23:43:22 Reply Private Reply
#42: VxH To: Vicomte13 (#41)
What an embarrassment graduates like you must be to the old school instructors there, Comrade.
VxH posted on 2018-02-12 23:51:08 Reply Private Reply
#43: Vicomte13 To: VxH (#42)
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-13 00:17:31 Reply Private Reply
#44: VxH To: Vicomte13 (#43)
Whatever I am, that doesn't change the fact that you think trying to understand the educational history of Pol Pot, "humorous", Comrade.
VxH posted on 2018-02-13 00:29:46 Reply Private Reply
#45: Vicomte13 To: VxH (#44)
Embarrassed to admit you're a follower of Christ?
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-13 00:32:14 Reply Private Reply
#46: VxH To: Vicomte13 (#45)
Nope. I just don't feel particularly compelled to play your religious taxonomy game.
You embarrassed about which Aircraft the Navy supposedly qualified you on courtesy of the American tax payer, Comrade; which one was it?
VxH posted on 2018-02-13 00:51:10 Reply Private Reply
#47: paraclete To: VxH (#7)
So sheing continues to be a winter olympic sport whats wrong with bringing your own
paraclete posted on 2018-02-13 00:54:50 Reply Private Reply
#48: paraclete To: VxH (#8)
Could we have a constitutional amendment so her form of bullshit can never again be inflicted on the world
paraclete posted on 2018-02-13 00:58:50 Reply Private Reply
#49: VxH To: paraclete (#48)
Plenty of laws that could probably put her away on her Email antics alone.
But, actual law enforcement requires an actual Republic - not the facade of one wearing a banana peel.
VxH posted on 2018-02-13 01:06:46 Reply Private Reply
#50: Vicomte13 To: VxH (#46)
Where did YOU serve, cockroach?
Vicomte13 posted on 2018-02-13 06:26:40 Reply Private Reply