I wouldn't have mocked you, I'd have agreed with you. Nice call. Got a past link from LP?

In Donald Trump we have a real President, not a Communitah-Organizing saboteur and Traitor. 0bama's mission for 8 long years was to trash the USA, sabotage it from within, and perform a Scorched Earth on the way out. If ANY ONE warrants the charge of Treason, it is he.

Lotta clean-up to do....

Btw, your goob link no worky. Hope all is well with you and yours....

I thought I'd post your image.

Down at his waist, this supposed Mexican special forces guy is wearing a patch that says "MEN oF MAYHEM".

You can buy it here at Amazon for $5.40. It's copyrighted merchandise from the TV series Sons of Anarchy about life in a bike gang.

If you look higher at the little rectangular flag patch, that is the flag of Texas. Bikers in Texas and in California sometimes wear their state flag patches. You can even buy these overseas at websites like this one for about 5€.

On his left shoulder, he has a patch of an American flag. On his right hand, he has two words tattooed. The first word is "EVER" and I can't read the second one.

Besides, he has the features and beard of a European, not a Latin or Cuban.

I think this is a Sons of Anarchy fanboi, posing with his SoA gear. Or maybe it was a single photo of some character from the SoA series but, if so, I can't find the character in the series.

Seriously, I think this guy's just a SoA fanboi. And I'm pretty sure that Mexican special forces don't wear funny Sons of Anarchy merchandise when they invade the States.

Yeah but he's sucking on a Corona mex beer, so he's probably one of Sanctuary Donnell's DACA dream students waiting for his dem voter registration to come in the mail.

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DACA Desperation: United We Dream Wants "Bill of Love"

President Trump can say just about anything he wants to.

He also recognizes that whatever base he had depended on to get elected ... will evaporate right from under him if he signs off on any kind of amnesty.

DACA is wrong. It's a corrupt, useless program which Obama initiated to shore up his re-election bid in 2012. He never intended to fix the immigration problems in this country, but wanted to keep the political issue alive to demagogue and demonize Republicans.

Now, after 16 years of non-enforcement and accommodation, Americans have had enough. They want enforcement, and they want it ... 16 years ago.

That is the only Act of Love which Congress should concern itself with at this time. We need enforcement of our immigration laws.

Now, President Trump talked about a "Bill of Love".

I have already cited and sent to the President what a Bill of Love will look like:

1. #BuildtheWall
2. E-Verify
3. Welfare Reform
4. RAISE Act
5. Kate's Law
6. No Sanctuary for Criminals Act
7. End Chain Migration
8. End VISA Lottery
9. Phase out H-AB
10. Defund Sanctuary Cities
11. Arrest Sanctuary Officials
12. #NoAmnesty

It's th[at] simple.
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You Laughed and mocked me.

President Trump obviously took it seriously....

Thanks for reminding us that SH45 is a batshit-crazy tin-foil hat wearing racist - just like you!

No! just kidding!!! SH45 is a batshit-crazy tin-foil hat wearing racist, - you're just probably mis-informed....

Several years ago I reported right here that the mexican g0vt was sending mexican special forces into the USA, and that they were causing dissent and arming rioters in cities where racial rioting was going on.

I [Liberator] wouldn't have mocked you, I'd have agreed with you.

… You would have agreed with him….on what basis?

I wouldn’t have mocked him, but I could never have agreed with him. or simply believed him, just because he said it.

I remember several years ago that some 500 Mexican Special Forces trained in counter-insurgency and counter-narcotics techniques at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. But nowhere was it ever shown “they were causing dissent and arming rioters in cities where racial rioting was going on.”

His link in the “Poster Comment” doesn’t work: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-executive-order- protecting-america-lawful-detention-terrorists/

But this one does: Order on Protecting America Through Lawful Detention of Terrorists. And it is for “detaining certain persons captured in connection with an armed conflict for the duration of the conflict.”

I don’t see the “stretch” between the Executive Order and his allegation about Mexican Special Forces operating in this country....maybe you do.

DACA Desperation: United We Dream Wants "Bill of Love" President Trump can say just about anything he wants to.

This Bill of Love crap sounds like a setup for a major Trump trolling of Jeb Bush.

I'm waiting for him to make a low-T joke about Jeb. Or read out Lindsey Graham's personal phone number on national TV. Again.

This Pinguinite software has always had a problem of inserting an extra space in auto-links. Which is why you shouldn't use that feature. Neil's looked for it, I've tried my hand, whatever it is is a subtle error.

It works fine without that extra space (which gets inserted because of the line-break, it occurs at the line-break for the TEXTAREA element that we type our comments in).

I don’t see the “stretch” between the Executive Order and his allegation about Mexican Special Forces operating in this country....maybe you do.

They cannot be connected. The special forces of any country are not considered terrorists. They are agents of the state that employs them. Their actions are those of making war as a sovereign nation upon the United States.

Terrorists, OTOH, are not agents for an established and recognized sovereign nation.

If Mexican special forces are committing subversive acts or sabotage or espionage, those are acts of war, not terrorism.

The key distinction is, "Do you have a flag?".

Here's a Brit tranny to explain it.

Thanks, I knew all of this.

And there never was, or is now, anything going on with Mexican Special Forces operating in our country.

I was a bit surprised to see that Liberator bought into it.

Just confirmation bias. We always find it easy to agree with some new fact if we already hold a certain view of that fact. It's just how we are. Confirmation bias is a powerful unseen force in everything, from little stuff to major issues.

And there never was, or is now, anything going on with Mexican Special Forces operating in our country.

I was a bit surprised to see that Liberator bought into it.

Nothing's changed we're in dubya's 5th term, and Poppy's 8th.

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President George W. Bush greets aid workers from Mexico helping in the hurricane ravaged areas in Gulfport, Miss., Monday, Sept. 12, 2005. White House photo by Paul Morse

Racist racist racist. You snowflakes are amusing when you're losing.

And I'm pretty sure that Mexican special forces don't wear funny Sons of Anarchy merchandise when they invade the States.

I think it is hilarious that anybody could even hear that without laughing.

I think it is hilarious that anybody could even hear that without laughing.

Hey, I was totes serous! Really.

I just don't think that pic should send people scurrying to hide behind their beds because those Mezcan SEAL wannabes were invading us to rape our dogs and steal our PS4s. It's just way over the top if that's the level of proof to support the contention that we are being invaded by the armed forces of another country.

It's just way over the top if that's the level of proof to support the contention that we are being invaded by the armed forces of another country.

I don't claim to be knowledgeable about the Mexican Army,but if I had to guess what their reaction would be to "invade America",I'm guessing it would laughter,followed by "If we go to America we are going to surrender and apply for citizenship in exchange for our testimony."

I don't claim to be knowledgeable about the Mexican Army,but if I had to guess what their reaction would be to "invade America",I'm guessing it would laughter,followed by "If we go to America we are going to surrender and apply for citizenship in exchange for our testimony."

Pretty much. But they are corrupt and are special creatures of their regime, unaccountable with almost unlimited power. They probably prefer the corrupt environment and the chances to line their pockets with cartel payoffs.

But it is Mexico who is likely the victim of their corrupt practices, not Americans.

There are many Mexicans involved in smuggling people and drugs at the border. But the Mexican government would never allow their own staff to invade the States. They recall how their last invasion of the States turned out for them.

Just in the last week, for instance, they caught three Dreamers involved in drugs/migrant smuggling. They were serving as lookouts for the cartels, observing and transmitting current patrol and coverage patterns at the border. And Mexico's government keeps it hands clean.

I'm not saying there aren't Mexican agents of the cartels here in America. I'm just saying that Mexico is smart enough that they aren't going to send uniformed Mezcan special forces across the border which is legally an act of war.

Seriously, I think this guy's just a SoA fanboi. And I'm pretty sure that Mexican special forces don't wear funny Sons of Anarchy merchandise when they invade the States.

That may well be the case.

That said, Bob never cited that accompanied photo as THE "proof" of his claim. READ WHAT HE WROTE. Is it plausible? Even probable?

I'd read several reports in past years that the Mexican goob was sending SF into the USA and stirring the sh*t. We're all obviously not reading from the same sources. But hey -- read and believe what you want. (I reckon mostly from mainstream sources as usual.)

Given 0bama's and Holder's obviously Scorched Earth policy, hatred of the USA, and shenanigans (Fast & Furious, gifting hundred of billions to Iran, etc etc.), just what would be so unbelievable about enabling Mexican SF to create havoc in US cities??

I find the naivete of some posters so perplexing. Especially in light of a Deep State that had actively launched a coup against a sitting President. You'd have never believe this either had it not come to light.

I for one dismiss most of the MSM as pure propaganda or stained heavily yellow pee-pee.

...If I had to guess what their reaction would be to "invade America",I'm guessing it would laughter,followed by "If we go to America we are going to surrender and apply for citizenship in exchange for our testimony."

Covert Op. Obviously NOT an "invasion." Geez, even you?

Nothing's changed we're in dubya's 5th term, and Poppy's 8th.

Dude, change the bong water.

It's th[at] simple.

NOTHING is simple.

NEWSFLASH: Trump is NOT a King.

You demand All or Nothing. Reality and Life are never that way, son.

That said, Bob never cited that accompanied photo as THE "proof" of his claim. READ WHAT HE WROTE. Is it plausible? Even probable?

It seemed that he was somehow presenting that as primary proof. Look at how prominently he featured the link to that pic in his initial post of this thread.

It's not like I care deeply about it. I was just pointing out some inconsistencies. Make up your own mind about whether Mexican special forces like to wear Sons Of Anarchy fanboi decals on their uniforms while invading the United States. Take your time.

No! just kidding!!! SH45 is a batshit-crazy tin-foil hat wearing racist, - you're just probably mis-informed....

Look what the sewer dragging in from Filthy Snowflake.Org...

How many boxes of Kleenex did you go through during Trump's SOTU? :-(

Hey, nice rebuttal from your hero, Kennedy. Very impressive...

Bwaahaa....

It seemed that he was somehow presenting that as primary proof. Look at how prominently he featured the link to that pic in his initial post of this thread.

It's not like I care deeply about it...

Why not ask him?

His assertion was what I concurred with; the photo had no bearing on my opinion or reading of the same past claims during the Bammy Admin.

I'm not saying there aren't Mexican agents of the cartels here in America.

If you're aren't, it speaks to your naivete of the situation. They HAVE been here in the US. It's not even a stretch to presume this is the case.

When one considers the 0bama's admin's and minions' OBVIOUS penchant for sabotaging US security, "communitah organizing, aka creating chaos," and creating division of a nation and people he despises, it's a given.

just what would be so unbelievable about enabling Mexican SF to create havoc in US cities??

Uhhhh,Mexico being willing to risk being caught committing an act of war against America,and the America military spending 15-20 minutes of it's spare time conquering Mexico and executing their military and political leadership?

Hey Bob, maybe it's best if you return to clarify your position. Please don't hit and run.

Uhhhh,Mexico being willing to risk being caught committing an act of war against America,and the America military spending 15-20 minutes of it's spare time conquering Mexico and executing their military and political leadership?

You mean DURING the 0bama regime?? The same regime that forged Fast & Furious? Think again.

Covert Op. Obviously NOT an "invasion." Geez, even you?

True covert ops are as rare as rooster lips. There is no such thing as a secret if the facts are known by more than 2 people.

The best you can hope for is "plausible deniability",and the results of exposure are being invaded and occupied. Or if you are a politician or military leader in decision-making positions,hanged or backed against a wall and shot.

Those are pretty serious consequences.

You mean DURING the 0bama regime?? The same regime that forged Fast & Furious? Think again.

I thought you people were claiming this is ongoing?

I thought you people were claiming this is ongoing?

I don't know what kind of timeline "other people" are referring to...

My claim would be that 0bama's regime turned a blind eye to as well aided and abetted covert Mexican SF ops that as a mission stirred up crap.

I'd assume that situation would have pulled back under Trump's admin.

True covert ops are as rare as rooster lips. There is no such thing as a secret if the facts are known by more than 2 people.

The best you can hope for is "plausible deniability",and the results of exposure are being invaded and occupied. Or if you are a politician or military leader in decision-making positions,hanged or backed against a wall and shot.

I understand what you've and and agree with you. UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS.

Again, there were extenuating circumstances: We are talking the 0bama Admin. They were unlike any previous admin in the history of the USA; a "special" group of traitors.

I could never have agreed with him. or simply believed him, just because he said it.

I didn't believe Bob "just because he said it." His claim was sourced and confirmed during the 0bama admin regime. Just not by the usual MSM or gubmint outlets *you* find so believable.

Order on Protecting America Through Lawful Detention of Terrorists. And it is for “detaining certain persons captured in connection with an armed conflict for the duration of the conflict.”

Yes. Enforced by an admin that respected constitutional law. 0bama's DID NOT. It was an Outlaw Operation for its entire 8 years.

Look -- most of us who followed along KNOW FOR A FACT that the 0bama admin routinely operated OUTSIDE The Law -- constitutional and otherwise. He weaponized his entire machination. He and his minions HATED and HATE the USA. Why is this so hard to comprehend??

I'd read several reports in past years that the Mexican goob was sending SF into the USA and stirring the sh*t. We're all obviously not reading from the same sources. But hey -- read and believe what you want. I don’t doubt you read the reports since you say you did. I do however challenge the veracity of those reports without proof and unless they show substantiated evidence, I believe they had absolutely no conformity to truth or fact and were just some more conspiracy shit all CT freaks live to believe in. But hey, I would like very much to read the reports you saw where the Mexican government was sending special forces into our country and stirring up shit….after you provide links of course. Only then will I be able after due consideration to, as you say, “believe what I want to believe.” In the meantime, a google search for Mexican government sending special forces into the USA to cause trouble only turned up this about Mexico sending troops into the USA : Hurricane Katrina marked the costliest natural disaster in American history and the third most deadly, claiming at least 1,800 lives after the failure of levees caused catastrophic flooding in some of New Orleans’ most populous areas. Katrina was both newsworthy and culturally significant, inspiring multiple television documentaries and programs as well as rumors that continue to circulate years after the fact. The latter circumstance was likely due to the chaos that ensued after Katrina, as myriad accounts surfaced well after the floodwaters receded and the news media had moved on to other stories. Mic.‘s assertion that Mexico sent troops across the American border to assist what was by most accounts a stilted federal response to the tragedy was news to many social media users when it cropped up again in August 2016. Mexico’s response to Hurricane Katrina was well-documented at the time, but rarely included in retrospectives and long-form accounts of the storm and its aftermath, leading many social media users to question whether the claim was truly accurate. In July 2015, the Associated Press published archival footage of Mexican soldiers providing aid in Biloxi: In August 2015, former diplomat Stephen R. Kelly penned an opinion piece for the Washington Post about Mexican troops and Katrina (again, through the lens of Trump’s statements): In a scene that would have given Donald Trump heart palpitations, 200 flag-waving Mexican troops breached the U.S. border outside Laredo, Tex., 10 years ago and advanced unopposed up Interstate 35 to San Antonio. It was the first time a Mexican army had marched on San Antonio since 1836 when Gen. Santa Ana massacred besieged Texas independence fighters at the Alamo. This time, however, the Mexican soldiers were on a relief mission to feed tens of thousands of homeless and hungry Americans displaced by Hurricane Katrina. Setting up camp at a former Air Force base outside San Antonio, they distributed potable water, medical supplies and 7,000 hot meals a day for the next three weeks. /…./ By the time their mission in San Antonio ended Sept. 25, the Mexicans had served 170,000 meals, helped distribute more than 184,000 tons of supplies and conducted more than 500 medical consultations. Disasters such as Hurricane Katrina, or the spectacle of U.S. presidential politics, often force to the surface the true character of the players. The Mexicans proved they were neighbors we can count on. A few traces of the years-old news story remained online as of 2017: A Mexican army convoy rolled into the United States with food, water and medicine for Hurricane Katrina victims, the first Mexican military operation on U.S. soil in 90 years. Part of an aid package that includes ships and rescue teams, the convoy of 45 olive- green vehicles and some 200 troops went over the Rio Grande into Texas from the city of Nuevo Laredo, witnesses said. […] The Mexican army trucks, filled with of thousands of ready-to-eat meals, drinking water and medical equipment, were searched like regular vehicles as they crossed the border early on Thursday headed for San Antonio, Texas customs officials said. Although Mexico’s response to Katrina was often overlooked in historical accounts of the disaster, the accounts are completely true. Mexican troops crossed the border in a 45-vehicle convoy on 8 September 2005, providing material and physical aid to several areas of the Gulf Coast devastated by Katrina; the Mexican army offered hundreds of thousands of meals and tons of supplies to those in need and performed hundreds of medical consultations during a time when the United States was struggling to provide aid to its own citizens in devastated areas.

I find the naivete of some posters so perplexing. I do too, especially when they read an undocumented and unverified report that Mexico sent their Special Forces troops into the United States to cause havoc….and they BELIEVE it. ... just what would be so unbelievable about enabling Mexican SF to create havoc in US cities?? I will not go for your leading question that prompts and encourages a desired answer. I would objectively ask: What would make it believable? The answer to this of course are documented and verifiable facts. Without those….all you have left is just some more ridiculous conspiracy theory shit floating around in the cesspool of stunning stupidity.

His assertion was what I concurred with; the photo had no bearing on my opinion or reading of the same past claims during the Bammy Admin.

Exactly. Yet his most primary presentation was the link to that pic on Twitter.

You're just not woke enough.     : )

If you're aren't, it speaks to your naivete of the situation.

I also recall clearly the times that armed Mexican choppers penetrated U.S. airspace. And the times when Mexican border patrol "agents" were found on our side of the border. This was mostly some years back. I think they're more careful now and use civilian agents operating north of the border. The Dreamer kids are perfect recruits for their purpose.

That is not to say that I think Mexican special forces are penetrating deep into American territory while wearing their Sons Of Anarchy fanboi uniform patches.

I do however challenge the veracity of those reports without proof and unless they show substantiated evidence, I believe they had absolutely no conformity to truth or fact and were just some more conspiracy shit all CT freaks live to believe in.

Ok, and THERE we have it. Go ahead a wait for the New York Time to report on...whatever.

Btw, you STILL believe the Vegas slaughter was as reported, eh? Single perp? Unsolvable?

Tssk.

You probably still believe the 0bama Admin did nothing illegal with respect to the election or Trump...OR Fast & Furious.

Sometimes I wish I saw the world through your extra rose-colored spectacles. (Do you still sit on Santa lap? Or should I burst your bubble at last? Naah...Remember -- "He knows when you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake!")

I didn't get that impression that this single photo was presented Bob's prima facie evidence. Just an embellishment. But we'd still have to hear it from the horse's mouth...

It still doesn't change the truth of the matter as far as I'm concerned.

I also recall clearly the times that armed Mexican choppers penetrated U.S. airspace. And the times when Mexican border patrol "agents" were found on our side of the border. This was mostly some years back. I think they're more careful now and use civilian agents operating north of the border. The Dreamer kids are perfect recruits for their purpose.

During Dubya's or 0bama's regime?

Do you find it implausible or improbable that between subversive twin America-Haters and proven saboteurs 0bama and Holder, they'd collude with elements within the Mexican gubmint to give Mexican SF covert ops a red carpet with which to infiltrate and sabotage us from within?

How goofy does one have to be to embrace the notion that UNIFORMED Mexican SF would descend into continental US more than a few miles? Seriously.

I didn't get that impression that this single photo was presented Bob's prima facie evidence. Just an embellishment.

It was the only presentation of any evidence to support his rebuttal of all those who laughed at him a year ago. I don't even recall this myself but I might have just missed it.

It still doesn't change the truth of the matter as far as I'm concerned.

Hence my remark about confirmation bias. You already agreed with Bob so it didn't matter what the picture actually displayed.

Anyway, it's not worth spending thousands of keystrokes on, one way or the other.

How goofy does one have to be to embrace the notion that UNIFORMED Mexican SF would descend into continental US more than a few miles? Seriously.

AFAIK, there were only a few such penetrations and they were plausibly navigation errors, and then no other border incursions now in some years.

I do however challenge the veracity of those reports without proof and unless they show substantiated evidence, I believe they had absolutely no conformity to truth or fact and were just some more conspiracy shit all CT freaks live to believe in.

Ok, and THERE we have it. Go ahead a wait for the New York Time to report on...whatever.

The phrase word “whatever” is defined as: A slang term meaning "whatever you say". I never said I would wait for a NYT REPORT….So, THERE, you don’t HAVE it. I said I would challenge the veracity of those reports….I never said how. Ergo, there is no “whatever” here.

Tssk.

“Tssk” [Testis Specific Serine Kinas] means I said something you dislike.

That was quite obvious and I knew it would happen.

Btw, you STILL believe the Vegas slaughter was as reported, eh? Single perp? Unsolvable?

You probably still believe the 0bama Admin did nothing illegal with respect to the election or Trump...OR Fast & Furious.

You ad hominem injections here, is a fallacious argumentative strategy way off point. Do I need to repeat the point so that you will not wander off on a tangent again? I certainly hope not, but I will if your mind meanders again.

Sometimes I wish I saw the world through your extra rose-colored spectacles.

You don’t need any rose-colored glasses to see things as I do….to see things as they really are. And not what some conspiracy theorist spook tells me to believe.

It was Buddha who noted that three obstacles to seeing reality more clearly are: delusion, greed, and hatred? Which of those do you have the most problem with?

(Do you still sit on Santa lap? Or should I burst your bubble at last? Naah...Remember -- "He knows when you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake!")

It is quite obvious that I do need to get you back on point. So, stop with the spin and gratuitous childlike asinine remarks and get back to this:

I'd read several reports in past years that the Mexican goob was sending SF into the USA and stirring the sh*t.

It’s time for you to either put up or shut up. Link to and show ANYTHING that you read and present ANY evidence you have that any of thie ever actually happened or was planned to happen.

Simple Question: Are you are able to do that?

How goofy does one have to be to embrace the notion that UNIFORMED Mexican SF would descend into continental US more than a few miles? Seriously.

I like this question better:

How stupid does one have to be to believe that “the Mexican government was sending Special Forces into the USA and stirring up shit?”

... and then no other border incursions now in some years.

… and “the Mexican government was never sending Special Forces into the USA to stir up shit.”

It still doesn't change the truth of the matter as far as I'm concerned.

Hey, Liberator….all you have is: Words….words….and more words.

You have NO TRUTH in the matter…otherwise you would have presented it.

Present any links or evidence to show that “the Mexican government was sending Special Forces into the USA to stir up shit.”

Can you?

His claim was sourced and confirmed during the 0bama admin regime.

It it were, then it would still be available someplace.

Where is it?

Hey, Liberator….all you have is: Words….words….and more words.

Weird, wild stuff, ain't it?

AFAIK, there were only a few such penetrations and they were plausibly navigation errors, and then no other border incursions now in some years.

Thanks for (sorta) answering the question.

CLARIFICATION of "Plausibility":

My context: Any Mexican SF incursions would obviously NOT be IN uniform beyond a few miles. The FULL context of mine and I assume Bob's context as noted would have been covert ops in plain clothes, stirring up the natives to "rebel" in the usual Prog cities. FULLY enabled by 0bama's admin. Remember what's 0bama's "job" was before stealing the IL Senate seat from Ryan(R): "COMMUNITAH (Communist) ORGANIZER."

I would expect this stuff like much of the 8 years of 0bammy Monkey Business to be deemed deeply "CLASSIFIED" for obvious reasons. MY presumption and speculation:

All the Bammy Admin's "secret" missions for the sabotage of this nation if laid bare would rattle even the Left and destroy the Democrat Party. (Just as what 'The Memo' and its participants if truly an fully exposed its players [which obviously include 0bama himself] might well do.)

Again, 'Operation: Fast & Furious' exposed 0bama's minions for what they truly were: An Enemy Within, governing as a "Resistance" and rebellion, sabotaging America and the Constitution.

Yea....you do have a distorted imagination and sometimes you just let it run wild.

God bless you....there will be better days.

So, are giving up on promoting the notion that Mexico’s Special Forces were in the U.S. causing havoc with riots?

I can understand if you are ...