A surveillance network designed by a police officer? Nothing suspicious about that right?

A surveillance network designed by a police officer? Nothing suspicious about that right?

More of your hypothetical bullshit and overall cop hatred. Why can't a retired cop offer a service to the private sector?????? It's called capitalism. Cops aren't allowed to open their own business and they aren't allowed the same constitutional rights as you... in your ramblings and constant hatred.

Nobody is forcing churches or private home owning drug dealers to install cameras... it's called free will. For you, that concept is a bitch when folks you loath in your AGENDA opt to use it.

A surveillance network designed by a police officer? Nothing suspicious about that right?

Yeah - it's all about "safety" right?

Yeah - it's all about "safety" right?

It's all about a privately owned business like a church, having the freedom to install cameras if they feel their parishioners feel safer with them... REGARDLESS if a retired cop is selling them the service. But by all means, continue your cop hating agenda. You claim you only hate the bad cops... but you condemn this officer AND YOU HAVE NO PROOF HE'S BAD... so you LIE, yet again.

You just hate cops and you spread fear for your agenda... because in your tiny mind, the drug war haters biggest enemy are the cops... not the politicians.

GFY for Christmas, douche

المسلح

Surveillance camera in your Mosque?

But by all means, continue your cop hating agenda

This has nothing to do with "hating cops".

This is about Big Brother watching EVERYONE and an out of control surveillance state.

Good grief - wake the heck up man!

Ever read "1984"?

I thought not.

Forget the fact, that minsters, priests, rabbis etc., are secretly spying on worshippers.

The nutcase that wrote this lost what little credibility he may have had with that first sentence.

Why the HELL would the leaders of flocks of sheep have to "secretely spy on their worshipers'? Has this cretin never heard the word "confession" before? Is there even such a thing as a religion where the head spook doesn't know more details about the lives and "sins" of their flock that they even want to know about?

Their followers go to their shamans and INSIST they hear all their dirty little secrets!

Hell,Russian Orthodox Priest was a freaking KGB career field. There were reasons for that,and those reasons had nothing to do with allegedly absolving anyone of their sins. It was more in the line of keeping a list of their sins,as well as their acquaintances.

It's America. Land of the free. If you don't wanna be on church cam.... go to a different church or better yet, start your own cameraless church.

For once,I agree with you.

Gee whiz - kinda tough to do when the police state that you advocate is placing the cameras everywhere, even in churches.

You need to be worried about the ones they have placed in your bathroom and bedroom,not the ones in public places.

You need to be worried about the ones they have placed in your bathroom and bedroom

They already have.

The Whole POINT of the Internet of Things Is So Big Brother Can Spy On You

When a crack house puts up security cameras to watch for the cops, is that part of the "police state" too? There are more crack house cameras (quite popular today) than church cameras...

You HAVE to be kidding! Why the HELL would anyone put up cameras to record themselves committing felony crimes?

Although I do remember one idiot couple of wannabe mercenaries that actually kidnapped a stranger in Florida,and then recorded themselves tying him to a tree to torture and murder him in order to "enhance their legends" when posting "guns for hire" ads in the back of Soldier of Fortune magazine.

No Bush. Cold-blooded murder on camera,and they took turns filming each other slowly torturing him to death with knives,and IIRC,one of them eventually shot him in the head while the other one filmed it.

It should go without saying that they were both arrested for 1st degree murder and kidnapping immediately after sending the ad in to the magazine. It's been a long time and I don't remember now how potential clients were able to review the video,but it was public. I even watched enough of it on my computer to verify it wasn't a joke someone was playing.

I never did hear what finally happened to them,but Florida is a death penalty state and these people were obviously nuts,so I am guessing they were sent to a mental institution for life after their court-appointed attorney plead the case.

No way in hell were they ever going to beat THAT rap,but IMHO,they should have been put to death and the money spent caring for them for several decades should have been spend on harmless nutcases with some chance of recovery.

First off, ProjectNola was designed by former police officer, Bryan LaGarde who charged homeowners and businesses $346.00 dollars for a ‘crime camera kit’.

A surveillance network designed by a police officer? Nothing suspicious about that right?

Did he show his camera and his gun to "convince" them to buy it?

If not,why the hell do you care. Don't people have a right to buy that crap if they want it and have the money to pay for it?

More importantly,DON'T FREE PEOPLE IN A FREE COUNTRY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEND THEIR MONEY HOW THEY CHOOSE AS LONG AS IT ISN'T TO PURPOSELY HARM SOMEONE ELSE?

Surveillance camera in your Mosque?

ISLAM is more of a government than it is a religion. In FACT,it would be accurate to say it is a GOVERNMENT POSING AS A RELIGION.

This is about Big Brother watching EVERYONE and an out of control surveillance state.

How is it "government out of control" when it is private individuals voluntarily spending their own money to buy it?

Do you believe US Citizens have the right to live their lives as they choose as long as they aren't harming anyone else,or not?

Make up your mind,because you can't have it both ways.

The Whole POINT of the Internet of Things Is So Big Brother Can Spy On You

Ahhhh,so you are an accomplice/goobermint agent that haunts internet sites to compile lists!

Thank you for outing yourself with that confession.

Ahhhh,so you are an accomplice/goobermint agent that haunts internet sites to compile lists!

Dang! You figured it out.

You must be a really smart person.

You need to be worried about the ones they have placed in your bathroom and bedroom,

9 hours a day of snores and farts. Jeez, and here I thought NSA work was GLAMOROUS!

Ahhhh,so you are an accomplice/goobermint agent that haunts internet sites to compile lists!

Dang! You figured it out.

You must be a really smart person.

Yeah,I am smart,but being smart has nothing to do with it. You confessed.

You HAVE to be kidding! Why the HELL would anyone put up cameras to record themselves committing felony crimes?

I've executed many search warrants on structures associated with drug activity... MANY have outside surveillance video systems.

Big Brother installing surveillance cameras in places of worship

Deckard, you really need to stop disseminating all this scaremongering bullshit….where you are continually spreading partially true, yet frightening and exaggerated stories. Your habitual tactic of purposely and needlessly trying to arouse public fear about an issue when there is no cause for concern has long since grown old.

What you are doing, and you well know that you are doing it, is posting your yellow journalism articles as a form of psychological manipulation for use as fear-based scare tactics since the articles include gross exaggerations and repetition to try to influence readers in order to achieve your agenda.

You no doubt know, because you consistently use it, that fear is an emotion that can easily be exploited and it is the one predominate instrument you and your group of fear mongers consistently use. This is evidenced by the continual flow of your posted articles using this tactic of scare over and over.

There is nothing sinister at all with these private property churches deciding to install security cameras as deterrent protective devices for their congregations. The justification for the desperate need can clearly been seen in the homicidal acts committed in the incidents in churches listed below.

• At least 26 people killed in church attack in Texas' deadliest mass shooting in the state's history.
• Man charged with first-degree murder for killing one personand injuring sevens outside a Nashville church.
• Charleston church shoot left nine dead and three other victims survived.
• There are numerous, numerous other incidents as the list can go on and on….I will stop here as the point has been well made.

There is no “Big Brother” movement here….none at all. To be sure, you and your group has overused this cliché so much that it has become trite and hackneyed. Christ, if you are going to persist in this mundane fear tactic chicanery….at lest get yourself some new buzz words. The “Big Brother” you are implying here is non existent and all there is are some private party entities (churches) contracting with a non-profit private crime camera system (ProjectNOLA) to use a system which is highly proven and extremely successful while still actively protecting individual privacy.

I of am of course not a professionally trained psychiatrist and I am not trying to act as one, but a rational person with common sense can easily see that your paranoia involves some intense anxiously fearful feelings and thoughts related to conspiracies. I believe that evidence of your actions, irrational thoughts and firm beliefs shows that they have become so fixed in your mind pursuing your agenda that nothing….including FIRM contrary evidence…can ever convince you that what you think and feel is not true.

I will close by saying that there is no cause for concern with churches choosing to install security systems. There is however cause for concern about you maliciously spreading FALSE scare tactics when the churches are now only choosing to find ways to protect their congregations.

Shame on you …

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

Shame on you…you Fear Mongerer.

”Those who act as idiots and do not take active measures to protect themselves with modern day security devices from known threats, may not live long enough to be concerned about surrendering anything, even their very own lives” ~ Wise Old Sage - Gatlin.

Wise advice in this day and age.

Spoken like a true slave - one who loves his chains.

That’s puzzling. With your astute in-depth insight ability to smartly see all things properly….can you please explain to me what action (or actions) it (or those) might be?

Thank you …

You HAVE to be kidding! Why the HELL would anyone put up cameras to record themselves committing felony crimes?

I've executed many search warrants on structures associated with drug activity... MANY have outside surveillance video systems.

CLEARLY the people selling the drugs were using their own product.

It boggles the imagination that people would be stupid enough to record evidence against themselves,but when you think about it has there ever been a child porn arrest where the guilty party didn't have a whole damn catalogue of photos or videos of him having sex with children?

Seems like a lot of these people share a narcissistic personality.

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

“He thought of the telescreen with its never-sleeping ear. They could spy upon you night and day, but if you kept your head you could still outwit them. With all their cleverness they had never mastered the secret of finding out what another human being was thinking. . . .

Facts, at any rate, could not be kept hidden. They could be tracked down by inquiry, they could be squeezed out of you by torture. But if the object was not to stay alive but to stay human, what difference did it ultimately make? They could not alter your feelings; for that matter you could not alter them yourself, even if you wanted to.

They could lay bare in the utmost detail everything that you had done or said or thought; but the inner heart, whose workings were mysterious even to yourself, remained impregnable."

*****

The book 1984 has become the playbook of the elite.

Gee whiz - kinda tough to do when the police state that you advocate is placing the cameras everywhere, even in churches.

There is no “police state” placing cameras in churches. At lease no place I am aware of and I keep myself well informed on current news and news of impending actions.

So, let’s cut straight through your bullshit….and you document to everyone where any so called “police state” is placing, or has placed, a single camera in one church.

You don't think they will be used to monitor the preaching to make sure there is no criticism of the government and then crack down on those that do?

This may seem far-fetched to you - we all know that you lack any vision whatsoever.

You're naive to think that this "can't happen here".

Christians Hospitalized After Fighting Communist Party Orders to Install Security Cameras in Church

Several Chinese Christians who fought back against Communist Party officials who ordered  churches in Zhejiang Province to install security cameras, which believers fear will be used to monitor their activities, are now being treated for their injuries at a local hospital.

South China Morning Post reported on Monday that the government ordered the installation of the surveillance equipment at churches for "anti-terrorism and security ­purposes."

Believers in the city of Wenzhou, however, who are said to number close to 1 million, see it as part of the Communist Party's continued crackdown on Christianity, along with the ongoing campaign to remove crosses from church rooftops.

"Government officials came to the churches and put up ­cameras by force. Some pastors and worshipers who didn't agree to the move were dragged away," one Christian in Wenzhou shared with the publication

First off, ProjectNola was designed by former police officer, Bryan LaGarde who charged homeowners and businesses $346.00 dollars for a ‘crime camera kit’.

A surveillance network designed by a police officer? Nothing suspicious about that right?

Thank you …

You just don't get it - you never will.

You will always trust the government to protect you, even if it means having surveillance cameras everywhere.

After all "if you've done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to hide", right Parsons?

Do you really think that the NSA won't be monitoring these cameras? Are you really that utterly naive?

Do you really think that this will remain voluntary? You really think that the global government doesn't hate religion, especially churches that don't submit to any unlawful edicts.

I don’t know anything about the “global government” of which you speak. Based on the structure of your question, you obviously think there is one.

A [global] government is defined an organized entity that, in addition to having governmental character, has sufficient discretion in the management of its own affairs to distinguish it as separate from the administrative structure of any other governmental unit.

To be counted as a government….Repeating: To be counted as a government….any entity must possess all three of the attributes reflected in the above definition:

• Existence as Organized Entity
• Governmental Character
• Substantial Autonomy

You don't think they will be used to monitor the preaching to make sure there is no criticism of the government and then crack down on those that do?

Can you give me a valid reason to support your suggestive thesis based on solid documentation?

This may seem far-fetched to you - we all know that you lack any vision whatsoever.

If you are saying that simply because I don’t place any value or belief in wild conspiracy theories that I lack any vision whatsoever….then I plead guilty as charged.

I have no reason to believe that it will not remain voluntary

Please tell me about this mysterious “global government” of which you so strongly speak. Does it indeed have governmental character and sufficient discretion in the management of its own affairs? Where is this “global government” headquartered and who is the head of state? There are many more questions I have to ask of you, but let’s begin by you answering only those few.

Do your own homework Parsons. It's also called the New World Order.

Pastors to Help DHS in Arrests and Detention of Americans in FEMA Camps

Sheeple gonna sheeple.... Gatlin, etc.

More... Pastors to Help DHS in Arrests and Detention of Americans in FEMA Camps (Clergy Response Teams - lying about Romans 13)

It's no surprise that most of the 501c3 churches are instructing their parishioners to love Big Brother.

Can you give me a valid reason to support your suggestive thesis based on solid documentation?

Waco - Mt. Carmel.

The incident in China really isn't far-fetched. You seem to believe that the government is your friend.

Here's a little free advice - they're not.

...brainwashed by a dystopian novel published in 1949

Seems to me that you are the brainwashed one here Parsons if you are unable to see the parallels between what was written about in "1984" and the world today.

I seriously doubt you have even read it.

You're naive …

It has been said that a person is "naive" tends to believe in whatever he is told, without questioning whether it is right or wrong.

… this "can't happen here".

What I am doing here is called logical thinking.

What you are doing, and obviously trying to get me to do, is to make a conjecture. Conjecture in that you are trying to use some bad reasoning that involves the formation of a conclusion from incomplete evidence… incomplete evidence that is only being slightly suggestive.

Bad boy….for you doing that and trying to get me to also do that.

Let’s move on to your next point….shall we?

Link: Christians Hospitalized After Fighting Communist Party Orders to Install Security Cameras in Church

I don’t respond to spam. If YOU have something to personally contribute, then say it… and I will be happy to respond to your statement.

Stop with the “copy and paste” shit …

Knowing me as you do over these last years, do you really think I “believe in whatever I am told, without questioning whether it is right or wrong?“

Is this a trick question?

Come on Parsons, get serious!

Chinese …

And is in no way indicative of any consequential parallel action here.

Get fucking real …

Get fucking real …

Uh oh, tater is using explicate deletions in an overt & over-bearing pretense to dominate the discussion on a family chit-chat channel.

Moderator X - please do your just diligence to remove the riff-raff.

Moderator X - please do your just diligence

Please un-ban Fred Mertz.

Gatlin needs to check into the Betty Ford Clinic for an intensive course of rehab treatments.

Do your own homework Parsons. It's also called the New World Order.

I would not waste one second more of my time after learing hat your mystic New World Order is only claimed to be an emerging clandestine totalitarian world government by various conspiracy theories and it is suppose to be a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian movement.

You mentally unsound asshole conspiracy theorist freaks are marked by thought and action that lacks any sound reasoning. You all are unreal. The fact that the number of cognitive biases that characterize the way you CT freaks process information is your problem. I want no part of it.

I will move on to see if you have something logical I can comment on.

If only …

Please un-ban Fred Mertz.

FREE FRED!

Thank you for your support, bucky.

Waco - Mt. Carmel.

And you expect me to carry on an intelligent dialogue with you while your mind wanders the universe at large. God, you should be so thankful that I have such great patience.

Hey, asshole. We are specifically discussing your question where you asked me “if I don’t think the [whomever they may be] will not use the cameras in the churches to monitor the preaching …”

And I said that “until I am shown a valid substantial reason to firmly believe otherwise, I have no conceivable basis to believe what you are suggesting will actually happen.”

Then out of the clear blue and with no association whatsoever to our discussion, you point to Waco and Mt. Carmel. Okay, let momentarily go to your wild deflection off topic and you tell me about ProjectNOLA’s involvement in the churches at Waco and Mt. Carmel.

Wati, there was none….right?

Learn to stay on topic, you idiot …

I got want I went after….thanks.

I recall a case where a mother accused a Sunday school teacher of molesting her young daughter. The man’s life and reputation could have been ruined merely by the accusation alone. But fortunately it was not since video from the church security camera proved the accusation to be entirely false.

Then there was the case I remember where a two people broke into a church to steal the Sunday offering. However, a camera captured their faces and the surveillance footage was used to identify both of them and to link them not only to the robbery here, but also to a string of burglaries.

These are but two real life reasons for having security cameras in a church. It is amazing that you fail to realize the full value of the safety potential for having security cameras in churches.

You want body cameras on cops that without any discrimination or consideration for privacy show everything sacred in someone’s home when the cops enter and even show without any regard whatsoever for personal privacy, someone sitting on a toilet taking a crap if the cops bust in there to arrest them. It has happened.

And yet you get all bent out of shape and become more intense and aggressive that what is needed when the idea of a camera possible being in a church is even mentioned.

What the fuck is wrong with you, man?