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#26: Gatlin    To: Pinguinite (#5)

Because cops are permitted, and trained, to be extremely paranoid.

Can you provide studies to document this….or is it just your asinine personal biased opinion?

However, as A Practical Police Problem….the police are being trained to recognize and handle paranoia and paranoid personalities with citizens in the public as the police are more often confronted with individuals exhibiting more or less the behavior reactions that are evidently the stigmata of paranoia

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#27: Gatlin    To: A K A Stone (#24)

You will need to show where I have made ONE assumption and why it was an assumption.

Can you do that?

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#28: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#26)

Because cops are permitted, and trained, to be extremely paranoid. Can you provide studies to document this….or is it just your asinine personal biased opinion?

They are also trained to lie.

There were 5 officers there. Four didn't fire their weapon. They weren't stupid clowns. Piggy who murdered the man begging for his life should have received the death penalty. That would be just. What happened in the courtroom was wrong. If you cannot see that you need a bigger magnifying glass or you are stupid.

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#29: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#27)

You assumed he was pointing gun out window. Can you show me a picture. No you cannot.

When I watched the video it brought tears to my eye for the man brutally gunned down. I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong. I suspect someone will murder that cop someday.

I'd love to see misterwhite try to comply with the Simon says commands or be shot.

A K A Stone posted on 2017-12-11 07:37:32   Reply   Private Reply


#30: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#27)

crawl krôl/Submit verb 1. (of a person) move forward on the hands and knees or by dragging the body close to the ground. "they crawled out from under the table" synonyms: creep, worm one's way, go on all fours, go on hands and knees, wriggle, slither, squirm, scrabble "they crawled under the table"

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#31: Gatlin    To: A K A Stone (#23)

The former officer is a murderer.

That’s your personal opinion, which of course you are entitled to.

A jury of his peers acquitted him in a court of law….that’s the American justice system and that’s how it stands.

He can't erase his actions.

No he cannot….and he probably feels terrible with great remorse knowing he will carry this with him for the rest of his life.

He will have to repent to god or go to Hell.

How do you know he hasn’t….many times over?

Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord … Acts 3:19

Gatlin posted on 2017-12-11 07:45:17   Reply   Private Reply


#32: Gatlin    To: A K A Stone (#29)

You assumed he was pointing gun out window. Can you show me a picture. No you cannot.
Nope, I can’t show you a picture of that.

Neither can I dispute the numerous reports,

0fficers responded following like this one,
of someone pointing a gun out a window.

Then are you also making an ASSUMPTION that he did not, since you haven’t seen a picture?

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#33: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#31)

The former officer is a murderer. That’s your personal opinion, which of course you are entitled to.

No it is a fact that I witnessed. The so called judge should be put on death row for jury tampering by withholding key evidence. The "you're fucked" logo on his gun. It showed the piece of shits mindset.

A K A Stone posted on 2017-12-11 08:04:24   Reply   Private Reply


#34: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#32)

On trial, Brailsford testified that he fully believed that Shaver was reaching for a gun.

A lie from your source told by a known murderer.

You could see he had no gun from all the Simon says hands up. Simon says get on your knees Simon says...

That cop deserves to be on death row. If he keeps lying about it then God Wil, punish him.

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#35: Gatlin    To: A K A Stone (#29)

When I watched the video it brought tears to my eye for the man brutally gunned down.
I am sure you were saddened by this tragic event. We all are , or everyone definitely should be.
I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong
So you found people who agree with you….and you all are entitled to your emotions.

But neither you nor your “wife, kids and kids friend's” sat in a courtroom for six- weeks listening to all the testimony and watching the video a number of times.

So, do you really feel that judging someone only from emotion is the correct way to go?

I suspect someone will murder that cop someday.
Maybe, but I can’t believe this is something you want to happen.

Gatlin posted on 2017-12-11 08:09:35   Reply   Private Reply


#36: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#32)

Nope, I can’t show you a picture of that. Neither can I dispute the numerous reports,

0fficers responded following like this one,

Brailsford, a two-year veteran of the Mesa police force, was previously fired for department policy violations, including unsatisfactory performance.

There is no mention that I saw in your link. But there was the above.

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#37: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#35)

So, do you really feel that judging someone only from emotion is the correct way to go?

The wrongness brought out the emotion. Yes there is enough evidence in the video to put down the cop. Jury selection needs to be looked at, because those jurors were obviously not qualified.

Sitting in the courtroom with the judge withholding key evidence. Means nothing. They just had good deceiver on the prosecution side. Our system isn't even close to perfect. Justice would be the former cop on death row awaiting execution.

A K A Stone posted on 2017-12-11 08:14:42   Reply   Private Reply


#38: Gatlin    To: A K A Stone (#34)

On trial, Brailsford testified that he fully believed that Shaver was reaching for a gun.

A lie from your source told by a known murderer.

The cop said he “believed” that.

Come on, now, at least be fair….you cannot say it is a lie and he didn’t "believe" that.

It maybe you opinion….but it is only your opinion.

Gatlin posted on 2017-12-11 08:15:06   Reply   Private Reply


#39: Gatlin    To: A K A Stone (#34)

… if he keeps lying about it then God Wil, punish him.

I think we should let God decide what God will do …

Seems the right thing to do …

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#40: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#35)

suspect someone will murder that cop someday. Maybe, but I can’t believe this is something you want to happen.

I'm not praying for it. But I would never shed a tear if it happened. What he did was cold blooded murder.

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#41: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#38)

The cop said he “believed” that.

Come on, now, at least be fair….you cannot say it is a lie and he didn’t "believe" that.

It maybe you opinion….but it is only your opinion.

All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun. They made him play a life or death game of Simon says. He was on ground cooperating and that asshole just gunned him down because he wanted to "fuck" him like his gun said.

A K A Stone posted on 2017-12-11 08:19:21   Reply   Private Reply


#42: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#39)

think we should let God decide what God will do …

Seems the right thing to do …

God already decided. If you don't repent you go to the bad place..

A K A Stone posted on 2017-12-11 08:20:19   Reply   Private Reply


#43: Gatlin    To: A K A Stone (#37)

So, do you really feel that judging someone only from emotion is the correct way to go?

The wrongness brought out the emotion. Yes there is enough evidence in the video to put down the cop. Jury selection needs to be looked at, because those jurors were obviously not qualified.

Sitting in the courtroom with the judge withholding key evidence. Means nothing. They just had good deceiver on the prosecution side. Our system isn't even close to perfect. Justice would be the former cop on death row awaiting execution.

Maybe….yep, maybe.

But do you feel by watching the video a few times and not hearing alll the testimony during six weeks gives you the right to act as judge and jury to find him guilty and sent to death row?

I don’t feel that I can do that, but then what do I know….I’m just an old man.

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#44: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#38)

It maybe you opinion….but it is only your opinion.

The corrupt jury only offered an opinion.

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#45: Gatlin    To: A K A Stone (#42)

God already decided. If you don't repent you go to the bad place..

And we don’t know that God hasn’t already decided to forgive him….how?

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#46: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#43)

But do you feel by watching the video a few times and not hearing alll the testimony during six weeks gives you the right to act as judge and jury to find him guilty and sent to death row?

Yes because I didn't get tricked by slick talking liars.

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#47: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin (#45)

I said he has to repent. That is when god forgives. Sounds to me like he is still saying what he did is right.

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#48: Gatlin    To: A K A Stone (#44)

God already decided. If you don't repent you go to the bad place..

Yep, but the jury’s opinion counts for acquittal or punishment.

While your opinion only counts to yourself….and maybe your wife, kids and kids’ friends.

And often times also to me …

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#49: Gatlin    To: All (#48)

Sounds to me like he is still saying what he did is right.

I see what you are saying. He has to admit it was murder.

But we don’t know if God saw it as murder….do we?

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#50: Gatlin    To: A K A Stone (#46)

Yes because I didn't get tricked by slick talking liars.

Have your eyes ever played a trick on you?

I have heard of such a statement …

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#51: Gatlin    To: A K A Stone (#41)

All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun.

Hmm….maybe.

I don’t know if that would or would not have.

I really don’t….I have no way of know that.

Not just looking at the video and assuming that.

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#52: A K A Stone    To: Gatlin, grandisland, misterwhite, deckard (#51)

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#53: Deckard    To: Gatlin (#26)

the police are being trained to recognize and handle paranoia and paranoid personalities ...

...and to immediately kill them.

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#54: Deckard    To: A K A Stone (#29)

I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong.

As would any sane human being.

You forget who you are dealing with here - in Gatlin Bizarro World, cops are gods and can do no wrong.

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#55: Deckard    To: A K A Stone (#34)

On trial, Brailsford testified that he fully believed that Shaver was reaching for a gun.

A lie from your source told by a known murderer.

Oldest lie in the cop playbook - cop claims he "feared for his life".

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#56: Deckard    To: A K A Stone (#37)

Yes there is enough evidence in the video to put down the cop. Jury selection needs to be looked at, because those jurors were obviously not qualified.

I'd like to see how many were ex-cops or relatives of cops or prosecutors.

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#57: Deckard    To: A K A Stone (#41)

All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun. They made him play a life or death game of Simon says. He was on ground cooperating and that asshole just gunned him down because he wanted to "fuck" him like his gun said.

That written threat on the cop's gun should have been introduced as evidence of pre-meditation.

What kind of a sick, sadistic bastard has something like that etched into his gun?

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#58: Deckard    To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#41)

All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun.

The contents of the body camera footage had been described to the public before, when Brailsford was first charged, but the video itself was withheld until this morning. NBC notes:

The detective investigating the shooting had agreed Shaver's movement was similar to reaching for a pistol, but has said it also looked as though Shaver was pulling up his loose-fitting basketball shorts that had fallen down as he was ordered to crawl.

The investigator noted he did not see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor.

Forcing Shaver to crawl toward the police like this increased the likelihood that Shaver would lose balance and make wild movements, and Langley's bizarre orders were probably confusing even to a sober person.

Oh, and here's an interesting detail from the Arizona Republic:

The judge did not allow jurors to hear about an etching on the dust cover of the rifle Brailsford used to shoot Shaver, which said "You're f--ked," because he felt it was prejudicial.

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#59: Gatlin    To: Deckard (#53)

the police are being trained to recognize and handle paranoia and paranoid personalities ...

...and to immediately kill them.

Not immediately….one second, if they make the wrong move.

Gatlin posted on 2017-12-11 09:37:05   Reply   Private Reply


#60: Gatlin    To: Deckard (#54)

I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong.

As would any sane human being.

You forget who you are dealing with here - in Gatlin Bizarro World, cops are gods and can do no wrong.

No, just showing something to someone’s wife, kids, and kids’ friends and having them agree does not establish fact….it only reflects emotion.

Nope cops are not Gods in my world and they should not be the enemies in your world. There are bad cops [1%] and the rest of the 1.1 million cops are good cops doing a great job.

Gatlin posted on 2017-12-11 09:43:32   Reply   Private Reply


#61: Gatlin    To: Deckard (#55)

Oldest lie in the cop playbook - cop claims he "feared for his life".

No lie

SCOTUS decisions:

Tennessee v. Garner

Graham v. Connor,

God Bless American and our system of justice.

Gatlin posted on 2017-12-11 09:49:16   Reply   Private Reply


#62: Gatlin    To: Deckard (#56)

I'd like to see how many were ex-cops or relatives of cops or prosecutors.

Don’t you think that the prosecutor would have definitely determined that and executed a peremptory challenges?

I do.

You are an idiot not to think so.

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#64: Deckard    To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#59)

TRY IT NOW. Get on your carpeted floor... on both your KNEES.... Cross one leg over the other and hold your arms STRAIGHT UP... and TRY waddling across the surface under those constraints. Not one or two motions... the entire floor-length... and SEE if you can hold and constrain your body upright successfully while doing so. Well!??

Now think of how scared that guy was when having to suddenly do all that at gunpoint, and conflicted by all the 'crawl' commands shouted repeatedly at him? Well?? Could you do it?? BTW... How does that Charley-horse feel??

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#65: Gatlin    To: Deckard (#58)

The detective investigating the shooting had agreed Shaver's movement was similar to reaching for a pistol, but has said it also looked as though Shaver was pulling up his loose-fitting basketball shorts that had fallen down as he was ordered to crawl.

Of course, sitting in some nice easy chair slowly watching the video maybe frame by frame….it would possibly look that way to anyone. But the cop on the scene has ONE SECOND [a scientifically proven fact] to make a decision.

The investigator noted he did not see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor.

Naturally. when the defense attorney asks the investigator: “Did you see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor?”

The investigator will say, without even blinking an eye: No.

Christ, Bubba….why in the Hell did you bold print that. Such an obvious Defense attorney question and there was definitely not anything physically preventing the handcuffing.

Why are you so stupid….really?

Gatlin posted on 2017-12-11 10:08:26   Reply   Private Reply


#66: Gatlin    To: Deckard (#64)

TRY IT NOW.
Don’t bother….a total waste of time.
Get on your carpeted floor... on both your KNEES.... Cross one leg over the other and hold your arms STRAIGHT UP... and TRY waddling across the surface under those constraints. Not one or two motions... the entire floor-length... and SEE if you can hold and constrain your body upright successfully while doing so. Well!??
Completely immaterial and totally irrelevant….some really great drama though.

It is as you stated and you CONFIRMED in your previous post: “The detective investigating the shooting had agreed Shaver's movement was similar to reaching for a pistol …”

Standardized training and scientifically proven in most all policed academies, the police officer on the scene has ONE SCEOND to determine if he is reaching for a gun. Much documentation and a number of videos validate this.

In fact, an American-American preacher here in Phoenix [I could look up the article, it would only validate what I am saying] was a staunch vocal opponent to police procedures saying they were always too quick to shoot. He went through the “Shoot or Don’t Shoot” drill and now fully supports the right of police to make the decision on the spot.

Now think of how scared that guy was when having to suddenly do all that at gunpoint, and conflicted by all the 'crawl' commands shouted repeatedly at him? Well?? Could you do it?? BTW...
Doesn’t matter. He was suddenly moving his hand towards his waistband after he had been specifically ordered NOT to make any sudden movements.
How does that Charley-horse feel??
How does a few rounds to the torso feel if you don’t follow the officer’s instructions?

Gatlin posted on 2017-12-11 10:31:19   Reply   Private Reply


#67: Deckard    To: Gatlin (#65)

But the cop on the scene has ONE SECOND [

Bullshit!

Deckard posted on 2017-12-11 10:38:26   Reply   Private Reply


#68: Deckard    To: Gatlin (#66)

Get on your carpeted floor... on both your KNEES.... Cross one leg over the other and hold your arms STRAIGHT UP... and TRY waddling across the surface under those constraints. Not one or two motions... the entire floor-length... and SEE if you can hold and constrain your body upright successfully while doing so. Well!??

Completely immaterial and totally irrelevant….

You're a cop-worshiping tool. Piss off!

Deckard posted on 2017-12-11 10:40:07   Reply   Private Reply


#69: Gatlin    To: Deckard (#58)

The judge did not allow jurors to hear about an etching on the dust cover of the rifle Brailsford used to shoot Shaver, which said "You're f--ked," because he felt it was prejudicial.

An inscription on a dust cover is a very common thing and many people do it. They run the gauntlet. There are a number of suggestions on the Web.

Brailsford had used the rifle in any number of other situations before and had never shot anyone. The fact that the inscription was on the dust cover had nothing to do with this situation since it never had before.

Remember: The inscription on the dust cover of the rifle didn’t cause Brailsford to shoot….it was Shaver’s sudden hand movement towards his waist that caused Brailsford to shoot.

Therefore the judge was correct is not permitting it to me mentioned at the trial since it was prejudicial.

You are attempting to use it here to prejudice others so the prejudicial point is well made….it would indeed have been highly prejudicial.

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#70: Deckard    To: Gatlin (#69)

.it would indeed have been highly prejudicial.

Piss off - they didn't allow all of the video either you cop-sucking prick.

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#71: Gatlin    To: Deckard (#68)

You're a cop-worshiping tool.

I worship no cops.

I am simply and humbly a charming, clean-cut individual who possesses great transcendence and the maturity to realistically see things as they factually are and not as I would biasly want them to be.

Piss off!

Not until the day comes that I can finally teach you that facts are your friends and not your enemies.

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#72: Deckard    To: Gatlin (#71)

facts

Your blind allegiance to the State and submissive fetish for authority do not allow you to see any facts.

Keep licking those jack-boots!

I am simply and humbly a charming, clean-cut individual who possesses great transcendence and the maturity to realistically see things...

Get the fuck over yourself you self-aggrandizing prick.

Deckard posted on 2017-12-11 11:11:07   Reply   Private Reply


#73: Gatlin    To: Deckard (#70)

Piss off -

Nope

- they didn't allow all of the video either …

There you go again….trying ever so hard to make a prejudicial statement.

Of course Deputy Maricopa County Attorney Susie Charbel did NOT show the entire 18-minute video….she only showed the entire portion of the video that depicted the killing. Charbel adequately covered everything necessary for the prosecutor and the defense as far as viewing the video in her opening statement.

It is during your moments like this for me to truly understand why you are such a simpleton …

… you cop-sucking prick.

When all you have left is insulting name calling….I guess that means you are finished and that you lose.

Gatlin posted on 2017-12-11 11:17:12   Reply   Private Reply


#74: Gatlin    To: Deckard (#72)

Get the fuck over yourself you self-aggrandizing prick.

I repeat:

When all you have left is insulting name calling….I guess that means you are finished and that you lose.

Gatlin posted on 2017-12-11 11:18:37   Reply   Private Reply


#75: Deckard    To: Gatlin (#73)

Of course Deputy Maricopa County Attorney Susie Charbel did NOT show the entire 18-minute video….she only showed the entire portion of the video that depicted the killing.

Oh - you mean they showed the part of the video that was beneficial to the cop?

Good grief - you're so predictable.

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