It is outrageous that civilians are expected to be as well trained about how to behave around cops as cops are trained to treat every person in every situation as a potential cop killer. Shaver was not trained about how to behave around the police, and because of that …

Somewhere along his life span, Shaver needed to have been trained that it’s a BAD idea to point a rifle out the window of a motel room with people in a swimming pool below.

But then sometimes even training doesn’t work, because:

… he is now dead and the police are not criminally accountable.

It has been reported this “bodycam footage taken at a Mesa hotel on the night of Jan. 18, 2016, was the heart of the prosecution’s case.”

A jury acquitted this officer... and that's how our criminal justice system works. It's how our founding fathers set the system up.

Also, the judge and JURY were exposed to actual witnesses and evidence... not just a yella biased article to read to decide guilt. I always love the LF shithouse courtroom... where due process is attacked if that due process doesn't help your AGENDA.

How the SHEEP of LF, are TRIGGERED with ease. Just like America's millennial college snowflakes. lol

If there is a lesson from this, anyone in a similar situation should simply stay flat on the floor, spread eagle, and refuse to move even when ordered to do so. Do not rise to your knees, cross your ankles or comply with any order to move that could potentially give any cop with a gun any reason to fear for his life, because you know that you may not understand any order given, no matter how simple the order may be ("crawl" being the operative example in Shaver's case). Staying spread eagle face down without moving would do that. The only reason the cops wanted this guy to move toward them is because they suspected a shooter may be in the hotel room, and they didn't want to approach that room with him in the way. But that problem is THEIR problem, not your problem, especially when you know for a fact that they are in no danger whatsoever. YOUR problem is to keep them from shooting you, and you do that by staying down, staying spread eagle and refusing to move at all even when ordered to do so.

If there is a lesson from this, it is do not point a rifle out the window of a motel room with people below in a swimming pool….and above all, do NOT make a “sudden movement” with your hand towards your waistband while the police are giving you instructions.

There …

A jury acquitted this officer... and that's how our criminal justice system works. It's how our founding fathers set the system up.

Yep …

I always love the LF shithouse courtroom... where due process is attacked if that due process doesn't help your AGENDA.

Yep …

I wonder if the corrupt government profiled people's Facebook pages to get a cop sucking jury.

It may be our system and piggy got away, and we have to accept that.

If his parents or family went and killed former piggy it would be justified.

Because cops are permitted, and trained, to be extremely paranoid.

Can you provide studies to document this….or is it just your asinine personal biased opinion?

However, as A Practical Police Problem….the police are being trained to recognize and handle paranoia and paranoid personalities with citizens in the public as the police are more often confronted with individuals exhibiting more or less the behavior reactions that are evidently the stigmata of paranoia

Can you do that?

Because cops are permitted, and trained, to be extremely paranoid. Can you provide studies to document this….or is it just your asinine personal biased opinion?

They are also trained to lie.

There were 5 officers there. Four didn't fire their weapon. They weren't stupid clowns. Piggy who murdered the man begging for his life should have received the death penalty. That would be just. What happened in the courtroom was wrong. If you cannot see that you need a bigger magnifying glass or you are stupid.

When I watched the video it brought tears to my eye for the man brutally gunned down. I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong. I suspect someone will murder that cop someday.

I'd love to see misterwhite try to comply with the Simon says commands or be shot.

The former officer is a murderer.

That’s your personal opinion, which of course you are entitled to.

A jury of his peers acquitted him in a court of law….that’s the American justice system and that’s how it stands.

He can't erase his actions.

No he cannot….and he probably feels terrible with great remorse knowing he will carry this with him for the rest of his life.

He will have to repent to god or go to Hell.

How do you know he hasn’t….many times over?

Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord … Acts 3:19

You assumed he was pointing gun out window. Can you show me a picture. No you cannot.

Neither can I dispute the numerous reports,

0fficers responded following like this one,

Then are you also making an ASSUMPTION that he did not, since you haven’t seen a picture?

The former officer is a murderer. That’s your personal opinion, which of course you are entitled to.

No it is a fact that I witnessed. The so called judge should be put on death row for jury tampering by withholding key evidence. The "you're fucked" logo on his gun. It showed the piece of shits mindset.

On trial, Brailsford testified that he fully believed that Shaver was reaching for a gun.

A lie from your source told by a known murderer.

You could see he had no gun from all the Simon says hands up. Simon says get on your knees Simon says...

That cop deserves to be on death row. If he keeps lying about it then God Wil, punish him.

When I watched the video it brought tears to my eye for the man brutally gunned down.

I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong

But neither you nor your “wife, kids and kids friend's” sat in a courtroom for six- weeks listening to all the testimony and watching the video a number of times.

So, do you really feel that judging someone only from emotion is the correct way to go?

I suspect someone will murder that cop someday.

Nope, I can’t show you a picture of that. Neither can I dispute the numerous reports,

0fficers responded following like this one,

Brailsford, a two-year veteran of the Mesa police force, was previously fired for department policy violations, including unsatisfactory performance.

There is no mention that I saw in your link. But there was the above.

So, do you really feel that judging someone only from emotion is the correct way to go?

The wrongness brought out the emotion. Yes there is enough evidence in the video to put down the cop. Jury selection needs to be looked at, because those jurors were obviously not qualified.

Sitting in the courtroom with the judge withholding key evidence. Means nothing. They just had good deceiver on the prosecution side. Our system isn't even close to perfect. Justice would be the former cop on death row awaiting execution.

On trial, Brailsford testified that he fully believed that Shaver was reaching for a gun.

A lie from your source told by a known murderer.

The cop said he “believed” that.

Come on, now, at least be fair….you cannot say it is a lie and he didn’t "believe" that.

It maybe you opinion….but it is only your opinion.

… if he keeps lying about it then God Wil, punish him.

I think we should let God decide what God will do …

Seems the right thing to do …

suspect someone will murder that cop someday. Maybe, but I can’t believe this is something you want to happen.

I'm not praying for it. But I would never shed a tear if it happened. What he did was cold blooded murder.

The cop said he “believed” that.

Come on, now, at least be fair….you cannot say it is a lie and he didn’t "believe" that.

It maybe you opinion….but it is only your opinion.

All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun. They made him play a life or death game of Simon says. He was on ground cooperating and that asshole just gunned him down because he wanted to "fuck" him like his gun said.

think we should let God decide what God will do …

Seems the right thing to do …

God already decided. If you don't repent you go to the bad place..

So, do you really feel that judging someone only from emotion is the correct way to go?

The wrongness brought out the emotion. Yes there is enough evidence in the video to put down the cop. Jury selection needs to be looked at, because those jurors were obviously not qualified.

Sitting in the courtroom with the judge withholding key evidence. Means nothing. They just had good deceiver on the prosecution side. Our system isn't even close to perfect. Justice would be the former cop on death row awaiting execution.

Maybe….yep, maybe.

But do you feel by watching the video a few times and not hearing alll the testimony during six weeks gives you the right to act as judge and jury to find him guilty and sent to death row?

I don’t feel that I can do that, but then what do I know….I’m just an old man.

It maybe you opinion….but it is only your opinion.

The corrupt jury only offered an opinion.

God already decided. If you don't repent you go to the bad place..

And we don’t know that God hasn’t already decided to forgive him….how?

But do you feel by watching the video a few times and not hearing alll the testimony during six weeks gives you the right to act as judge and jury to find him guilty and sent to death row?

Yes because I didn't get tricked by slick talking liars.

God already decided. If you don't repent you go to the bad place..

Yep, but the jury’s opinion counts for acquittal or punishment.

While your opinion only counts to yourself….and maybe your wife, kids and kids’ friends.

And often times also to me …

Sounds to me like he is still saying what he did is right.

I see what you are saying. He has to admit it was murder.

But we don’t know if God saw it as murder….do we?

Yes because I didn't get tricked by slick talking liars.

Have your eyes ever played a trick on you?

I have heard of such a statement …

All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun.

Hmm….maybe.

I don’t know if that would or would not have.

I really don’t….I have no way of know that.

Not just looking at the video and assuming that.

the police are being trained to recognize and handle paranoia and paranoid personalities ...

...and to immediately kill them.

I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong.

As would any sane human being.

You forget who you are dealing with here - in Gatlin Bizarro World, cops are gods and can do no wrong.

On trial, Brailsford testified that he fully believed that Shaver was reaching for a gun.

A lie from your source told by a known murderer.

Oldest lie in the cop playbook - cop claims he "feared for his life".

Yes there is enough evidence in the video to put down the cop. Jury selection needs to be looked at, because those jurors were obviously not qualified.

I'd like to see how many were ex-cops or relatives of cops or prosecutors.

All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun. They made him play a life or death game of Simon says. He was on ground cooperating and that asshole just gunned him down because he wanted to "fuck" him like his gun said.

That written threat on the cop's gun should have been introduced as evidence of pre-meditation.

What kind of a sick, sadistic bastard has something like that etched into his gun?

All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun.

The contents of the body camera footage had been described to the public before, when Brailsford was first charged, but the video itself was withheld until this morning. NBC notes:

The detective investigating the shooting had agreed Shaver's movement was similar to reaching for a pistol, but has said it also looked as though Shaver was pulling up his loose-fitting basketball shorts that had fallen down as he was ordered to crawl.

The investigator noted he did not see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor.

Forcing Shaver to crawl toward the police like this increased the likelihood that Shaver would lose balance and make wild movements, and Langley's bizarre orders were probably confusing even to a sober person.

Oh, and here's an interesting detail from the Arizona Republic:

The judge did not allow jurors to hear about an etching on the dust cover of the rifle Brailsford used to shoot Shaver, which said "You're f--ked," because he felt it was prejudicial.

the police are being trained to recognize and handle paranoia and paranoid personalities ...

...and to immediately kill them.

Not immediately….one second, if they make the wrong move.

I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong.

As would any sane human being.

You forget who you are dealing with here - in Gatlin Bizarro World, cops are gods and can do no wrong.

Nope cops are not Gods in my world and they should not be the enemies in your world. There are bad cops [1%] and the rest of the 1.1 million cops are good cops doing a great job.

Oldest lie in the cop playbook - cop claims he "feared for his life".

No lie

SCOTUS decisions:

Tennessee v. Garner

Graham v. Connor,

God Bless American and our system of justice.

I'd like to see how many were ex-cops or relatives of cops or prosecutors.

Don’t you think that the prosecutor would have definitely determined that and executed a peremptory challenges?

I do.

You are an idiot not to think so.

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Now think of how scared that guy was when having to suddenly do all that at gunpoint, and conflicted by all the 'crawl' commands shouted repeatedly at him? Well?? Could you do it?? BTW... How does that Charley-horse feel??

The detective investigating the shooting had agreed Shaver's movement was similar to reaching for a pistol, but has said it also looked as though Shaver was pulling up his loose-fitting basketball shorts that had fallen down as he was ordered to crawl.

Of course, sitting in some nice easy chair slowly watching the video maybe frame by frame….it would possibly look that way to anyone. But the cop on the scene has ONE SECOND [a scientifically proven fact] to make a decision.

The investigator noted he did not see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor.

Naturally. when the defense attorney asks the investigator: “Did you see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor?”

The investigator will say, without even blinking an eye: No.

Christ, Bubba….why in the Hell did you bold print that. Such an obvious Defense attorney question and there was definitely not anything physically preventing the handcuffing.

Why are you so stupid….really?

TRY IT NOW.

Get on your carpeted floor... on both your KNEES.... Cross one leg over the other and hold your arms STRAIGHT UP... and TRY waddling across the surface under those constraints. Not one or two motions... the entire floor-length... and SEE if you can hold and constrain your body upright successfully while doing so. Well!??

It is as you stated and you CONFIRMED in your previous post: “The detective investigating the shooting had agreed Shaver's movement was similar to reaching for a pistol …”

Standardized training and scientifically proven in most all policed academies, the police officer on the scene has ONE SCEOND to determine if he is reaching for a gun. Much documentation and a number of videos validate this.

In fact, an American-American preacher here in Phoenix [I could look up the article, it would only validate what I am saying] was a staunch vocal opponent to police procedures saying they were always too quick to shoot. He went through the “Shoot or Don’t Shoot” drill and now fully supports the right of police to make the decision on the spot.

Now think of how scared that guy was when having to suddenly do all that at gunpoint, and conflicted by all the 'crawl' commands shouted repeatedly at him? Well?? Could you do it?? BTW...

How does that Charley-horse feel??

But the cop on the scene has ONE SECOND [

Bullshit!

Get on your carpeted floor... on both your KNEES.... Cross one leg over the other and hold your arms STRAIGHT UP... and TRY waddling across the surface under those constraints. Not one or two motions... the entire floor-length... and SEE if you can hold and constrain your body upright successfully while doing so. Well!??

Completely immaterial and totally irrelevant….

You're a cop-worshiping tool. Piss off!