We are the most uncool people in Miami. So begins, promisingly enough, David Weigels The Show That Never Ends: The Rise and Fall of Prog Rock. Weigel, along with 3,000 fellow Yes-heads, Rush-oids, Tull freaks, and votaries of King Crimsoncultural underdogs all, twitching and grimacing with revenge-of-the-nerds excitementis at the port of Miami, about to embark on a five-day progressive-rock-themed cruise: a floating orgy of some of the most despised music ever produced by long-haired white men.
W. W. Norton
Do you like prog rock, the extravagantly conceptual and wildly technical post-psychedelic subgenre that ruled the world for about 30 seconds in the early 1970s before being torn to pieces by the starving street dogs of punk rock? Do you like the proggers, with their terrible pampered proficiency, their priestly robes, and their aironce they get behind their instrumentsof an inverted, almost abscessed Englishness? I dont. At least, I think I dont. I like Queens Bohemian Rhapsody, which is a kind of wonderful satirical compression of prog rock, a fast-forward operetta with goofy existentialist trappings and a heavy-metal blowout in the middle; I like the bit of Mike Oldfields Tubular Bells that became the theme music for The Exorcist. And there are contemporary bands I adore that have been grazed by prog: the moody, alchemical Tool, the obtuse and crushing Meshuggah. But for naked prog, the thing itself, I seem to lack the mettle. The trapped, eunuch ferocity of Geddy Lees voice, squealing inside the nonsense clockwork of Rush, disturbs me. And Yess Tales From Topographic Oceans is an experience to me unintelligible and close to unbearable, like being read aloud a lengthy passage of prose with no verbs in it.
Hated, dated, sonically superannuated One could enjoy prog ironically, I supposelisten to it with a drooping and decadent ear, getting off on the fabulous obsolescence, etc. But thats not what Weigel is about. He loves prog, and his argument, his prog polemic, is that the glory of this music has been obscured from us by sneering decades of hipster rock criticism and prejudice against 20-minute songs:
Teams of highly trained visionaries paced themselves against their influences and their peers to write songs they were confident no one else would think of writing. They took the music far, far away from the basics, so that some later groups of jerks could take it back to basics and be praised for their genius. Every new artistic movement rebels against whatever came right before it. But the progressives rebellion was the weirdest and the best.
Put like that, it does sound rather tasty. Prog as a wild chamber of experimentation, a sci-fi trespass across the limits of popular music, driving clear of fashion and orbiting the Earth forever. Awesome. The problem comes, for me, when I actually listen to the stuff. Is it not a form of aesthetic dissipation to praise something for its ambition and its bold idiosyncrasy when that something is, objectively speaking, crap? I think it might be. Gentle Giant, in 1972, took a poem from Knots, a book by the great heretic psychiatrist R. D. Laing, and turned it into an intricate, multivoice chant: It hurts him to think that she is / hurting her by him being hurt to think / that she thinks he is hurt by making her / feel guilty at hurting him by her thinking / she wants him to want her. The idea is great on paper. But listen to the song, to its scurrying, fidgety instrumentation, its fussy avoidance of anything like a melody. It is not enjoyable. At all. Magma, the French prog band, invented not only its own L. Ron Hubbardstyle cosmic origin story but its own language (Kobaïan, which reads like a sequence of Gothic expletives: Nebëhr gudahtt, Köhntarkösz). Again, very creative. But run, oh run, from the music.The relative crudity of punk rock was simply a biological correctivea healing, if you like.
If Weigel were David Foster Wallace, he would have written his entire book from inside that cruise ship, possibly never leaving his cabin, eavesdropping on snatches of music and chitchat and sending out his imagination in heavy spirals of paranoia and insight. But Weigel is a political reporter for The Washington Post, so he climbs off that wiggy, proggy boat and treads onto the dry land of chronology. Were a European group, declared the lead singer of proto-proggers The Nice in 1969, so were improvising on European structures Were not American Negros, so we cant really improvise and feel the way they can. Indeed. Thus did prog divorce itself from the blues, take flight into the neoclassical, and become the whitest music ever.
Procol Harum fiddled around with Bachs Air on a G String and came up with A Whiter Shade of Pale. More vandalistically, the super-keyboardist Keith Emerson, of The Nice and then Emerson, Lake & Palmer, unleashed himself upon the works of Modest Mussorgsky (Pictures at an Exhibition), Alberto Ginastera (Toccata), and Aaron Copland (Fanfare for the Common Man). Youve got to love Emerson. He would wrench, upend, and literally stab his instrumentrather in the manner in which Hunter S. Thompson used to shoot his typewriterjamming down keys with daggers, the better to produce his trademark squelching stun-chords. Fiending for technology, vivid with turbulence, he went from the Hammond organ to the freshly developed Moog synthesizer. (The proper pronunciation of Moog, I recently discovered, is Mogue, like vogue. Perhaps prog should be pronounced progue.)
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Money rained down upon the proggers. Bands went on tour with orchestras in tow; Emerson, Lake & Palmers Greg Lake stood onstage on his own private patch of Persian rug. But progs doom was built in. It had to die. As a breed, the proggers were hook-averse, earworm-allergic; they disdained the tune, which is the infinitely precious sound of the universe rhyming with ones own brain. Whats more, they showed no reverence before the sacred mystery of repetition, before its power as what the music critic Ben Ratliff called the expansion of an idea. Instead, like mad professors, they threw everything in there: the ideas, the complexity, the guitars with two necks, the groove-bedeviling tempo shifts. To all this, the relative crudity of punk rock was simply a biological correctivea healing, if you like. Also, economics intervened. In 1979, as Weigel explains, record sales declined 20 percent in Britain and 11 percent in the United States, and there was a corresponding crash in the inclination of labels to indulge their progged-out artistes. No more disappearing into the countryside for two years to make an album. Now you had to compete in the singles market.
Some startling adaptations did occur. King Crimsons Robert Fripp achieved a furious pop relevance by, as he described it, spraying burning guitar all over David Bowies albumthe album in question being 1980s Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps). Yes hit big in 1983 with the genderless cocaine-frost of Owner of a Lonely Heart. And Genesis, having lost ultra-arty front man Peter Gabriel, turned out to have been incubating behind the drum kit an enormous pop star: the keening everyman Phil Collins.
These, though, were the exceptions. The labels wanted punk, or punky pop, or new waveanything but prog. None of those genres, grumbled Greg Lake, retrospectively, had any musical or cultural or intellectual foundation They were invented by music magazines and record companies talking together. Fake news! But the change was irreversible: The proggers were, at a stroke, outmoded. Which is how, to a remarkable degree, their music still soundsnoodling and time-bound, a failed mutation, an evolutionary red herring. (Bebop doesnt sound like that. Speed metal doesnt sound like that.)
I feel you out there, prog-lovers, burning at my glibness. And who knows? If the great texts of prog had inscribed themselves, like The Lord of the Rings, upon my frontal lobes when they were teenage and putty-soft, I might be writing a different column altogether. But they didnt, and Im not. The proggers got away with murder, artistically speaking. And then, like justice, came the Ramones.
#1: Deckard To: All (#0)
White Music
The Whitest Music Ever: Prog rock was audacious, innovativeand awful. So says James Parker at The Atlantic. Well, he might be right in what he says in the title, but right off the bat I dont like this guy:
He is both overtly mocking Geddy Lee and covertly mocking what I consider to be Rushs best album ever, Clockwork Angels. Better that this guy advocated nuclear war with Russia or something.
Deckard posted on 2017-11-27 07:40:21 Reply Private Reply
#2: rlk To: Deckard (#0)
Great! A thoroughly boring article composed of 1,000 subjectively validated adjective and adjective phrases. Sure to give any thinking person a blinding headach.
rlk posted on 2017-11-27 09:10:18 Reply Private Reply
#3: Vicomte13 To: Deckard (#0)
What I didn't come away with was any good idea of what, exactly, prog rock IS.
He names songs I never heard of. The only song he named I DO recall was "Owner of a Lonely Heart", but he said that this was an adaptation of prog rock, and ergo not the real thing.
So, I know for sure that James Parker views prog rock like Gollum views Bilbo Baggins: "We hates it! We hates it forever!"
But I still don't know what it is he hates, or whether or not I should applaud him for hating the eminently hateable, or to attack his intelligence and masculinity for hating some great music.
My INSTINCT from the way his writing sort of snivels proud, is that Parker's a tool, but I can't be sure until I know what he hates.
Can anybody help me and give me a list of, say, 5 top "prog rock" songs that were played on the radio that I would know?
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-11-27 10:07:01 Reply Private Reply
#4: Hondo68 To: Vicomte13, Deckard, rlk (#3)
It seems like someone pulled the plug at the three minute mark.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-11-27 11:12:34 Reply Private Reply
#5: Willie Green To: Vicomte13 (#3)
Willie Green posted on 2017-11-27 13:08:16 Reply Private Reply
#6: Willie Green To: Vicomte13 (#3)
Plucked at random from my head, in no particular order...
I'm not claiming these are a "top five" or the "best"... just that there should be something here that you've heard before...
Willie Green posted on 2017-11-27 14:14:26 Reply Private Reply
#7: Deckard To: Willie Green, Vicomte13 (#6)
The 25 Best Progressive Rock Songs of All Time
Deckard posted on 2017-11-27 14:20:45 Reply Private Reply
#8: Vicomte13 To: Willie Green (#6)
YES - I've Seen All Good People
Supertramp - The Logical Song
I know these songs. They are good. This guy is hating on THAT music? Tool sighting confirmed.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-11-27 14:35:42 Reply Private Reply
#9: Willie Green To: Vicomte13 (#8)
Different strokes for different folks, I suppose...
But IMHO, he's missing out on a lotta GREAT tunes!
Willie Green posted on 2017-11-27 15:29:07 Reply Private Reply
#10: Dead Culture Watch To: Vicomte13 (#8)
It's an opportunity to virtue signal, and some people will go out of their way to do so, this appears to be the case.
On a side note? Listened to Rush, 2112 the other day, and it's amazing how it has held up, and how so appropriate and visionary they were for today's times. A left wing totalitarian technocracy banning music for people's own good? Ya, we are half way there.
Dedicating the album to Ayn Rand was what kept them on the outside looking in at the RaRHoF for way too long. One of the guys issues with this too white music was it was 'precise', or some other adjective used inappropriately as a smear. The jerk probably hates people who can actually play instruments.
Dead Culture Watch posted on 2017-11-27 16:25:06 Reply Private Reply
#11: jeremiad To: Deckard (#7)
jeremiad posted on 2017-11-27 18:30:55 Reply Private Reply
#12: Liberator To: Deckard (#0)
The day the author wants to transition into writng, 'The BLACKEST Music Ever', is the day this self-loathing white SJW has any cred whatsoever.
Liberator posted on 2017-11-28 10:12:30 Reply Private Reply
#13: Deckard To: Liberator (#12)
Gee whiz Lib, calm down! Why do you have to make everything about politics?
This is a music article - not a liberal manifesto.
Besides, someone already wrote that.
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Deckard posted on 2017-11-28 10:43:34 Reply Private Reply
#14: Deckard To: Willie Green (#5)
Emerson did some pretty cool stuff with his piano.
Deckard posted on 2017-11-28 10:45:56 Reply Private Reply
#15: Liberator To: Deckard, ALL (#0)
Self-loathing Progressive coward Author James Parker:
The term "Whitest" is designed to ridicule, dismiss, and otherwise insult with impunity Whitey," apparently because the hypocritical, Academics HATE HATE the White Man, the facilitator of FREEDOM, LIBERTY, and CREATIVITY.
Oh, we get it; So instead of "fiddling around" with a Congo classic from Darkest Mother Africa, featuring banging on drums, bongos, and chanting, according to the self-loathing bigoted SJW, Bach was THE definitive civilized "Whitest" European EVER!
FWIW, Procol Harum "crafted" NOT as the dopey author described the creative process, "came up with" one of the all-time classics. THIS is audible art.
(Below is a Live rendition of 'Whiter Shade of Pale' that is utterly spectacular):
Liberator posted on 2017-11-28 11:07:24 Reply Private Reply
#16: Liberator To: Vicomte13 (#3)
Yes. And the main reason: It's too "white."
I wonder if his neigborhood is "too white"?
Is James Parker's Chicken Parm is "too white"? Or his warm house? His running water and sewer system? The "white" system of law & order that protects his effete, pussified azz from the non-white Restless Natives who love nothing better than to rip him off of all his music, food, cars, and cash?
What I didn't come away with was any good idea of what, exactly, prog rock IS.
It's a relative term describing music that isn't so structured, can be complicated and free-wheeling, and jazz-inspired. AND lacking the simple three/four-chord rock progression, melodies and harmonies that most of us love and prefer much of the time.
Though I can appreciate the so-called genre on occassion, many "Prog Rock" fans are musical snobs who can no longer appreciate simple music.
Liberator posted on 2017-11-28 11:32:08 Reply Private Reply
#17: Liberator To: rlk (#2)
Progressives believe we care about their insanity as they continue wrecking the foundations of Western Civ, bludgeoning/boring us with subjective BS, blinding us with endless layers of blatant prejudicial social commentary and character assassinations of individuals/groups of people...masquerading as "constructive criticism."
Liberator posted on 2017-11-28 11:38:27 Reply Private Reply
#18: Liberator To: Vicomte13, Deckard, all (#3)
Oh you CAN take it to the bank: Trust your instincts.
The guy is a typical self-loathing white-SJW queer hypocrite Period.
Can anybody help me and give me a list of, say, 5 top "prog rock" songs that were played on the radio that I would know?
I'll give you two:
Kansas: 'Carry On My Wayward Son'
Yes: 'Roundabout
I did have Kansas Album, Leftoverture, which was admittedly very good. As well as Emerson Lake and Palmer's 'Brain Salad Surgery.' But my favorite tracks on the latter album were really NOT typical "Progressive Rock": Jerusalem' and 'Still You Turn Me On.'
Subjectively speaking of course, there's a reason "Prog Rock" was never popular or mainstream during even the Golden Age of Rock. Unlike the Kansas (the aforementioned ELP album WAS half a meandering mess), most of the time it's a meandering, narcissistic, randomly pseudo-organized, un-melodic chaotic mess.
And for what it's worth, 'Rush' (IMO) was the most overrated band ever. Their compositions were mediocrity defined.
Liberator posted on 2017-11-28 11:58:11 Reply Private Reply
#19: Willie Green To: Deckard (#13)
Willie Green posted on 2017-11-28 13:44:19 Reply Private Reply
#20: Vicomte13 To: Liberator (#18)
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-11-28 13:54:07 Reply Private Reply