Damn it all to hell, this is horrible!!!

400 people in the town and 20 some are dead, and more wounded.

20 some are dead

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The shooting suspect has been identified as 26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley, CBS News has learned from federal law enforcement sources.

Kelley is a former U.S. Air Force member who served from 2010 to 2014. He was dishonorably discharged and court martialed in May 2014, CBS News has learned.

A law enforcement official confirmed that the gunman is deceased. He was shot after a car chase with police, but it's unclear if he shot himself or if he was shot by police, CBS News' senior investigative producer Pat Milton reports.

On Sunday night, authorities only identified the suspect as a young white male. They said he was seen dressed in all black and tactical gear at a local gas station at 11:20 a.m. He then exited his vehicle, crossed the street and began firing an AR-15 style weapon at the church, officials said. The suspect entered the church and continued to fire.

As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his gun and pursued the suspect, who dropped his weapon and fled the scene.

"We still don't know much about what happened, other than this guy came in around 11:15 a.m. and started shooting everybody in the church," Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said on CBSN.

www.cbsnews.com/news/texa...urch-live-stream-updates/

Wild rumors from unspecified pinhead, here.... www.smobserved.com/story/...n-patrick-kelly/3188.html

He has not been officially identified, but Mustachio Tweeted: #texaschurchshooting shooter is 29 year old US marine turned muslim convert, Samir Al-Hajeed. His manifesto is making its rounds on the web."

Hero Johnnie Langendorf passed by the scene of the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting with his friend and shot at the perpetrator with his rifle, and then when the shooter started running away Johnnie Langendorff chased him down in his truck!!

This is the perfect example of why our 2nd Ammendment Rights are vital and need to be protected!!

The cops killed him on the spot. Finally the cops are doing their job.

Shut your filthy pickle kisser. It's always the cops who end these Bucky type domestic terrorist threats.... it's never a Paultard.

buckeroo (#5) (Edited) --- The cops killed him on the spot. Finally the cops are doing their job.

Shut your filthy pickle kisser. It's always the cops who end these Bucky type domestic terrorist threats.... it's never a Paultard. --- GrandIsland

I've been monitoring several different channels, and who shot the lone gunman is still not established.

So whoever needs to shut a filthy pickle kisser, -- still should stfu...

Keep making your fake bullshit up... but reality is, this filthy fucking shitbag is an ANTIFA member... and he was upset Nov 4th wasn't as productive as all his pussy ANTIFA government hating shitbags predicted

--- filthy fucking shitbag is an ANTIFA member..

Got any links to the evidence?

Somebody, post it here.

I thing I saw a Muslim type beard.

The Sheriff and his doughnut glazed eyes were not involved in stopping the carnage, his only function was in applying a toe tag to the Vigilante Militia's kill.

Texas Rangers: Armed Citizen ‘Engaged’ Killer, Ending Rampage

https://news.grabien.com/story-texas-dept-public-safety-armed-citizen-engaged-killer-ending

Devin Patrick Kelly

Drudge = Propagandist these days.

Perp was a flaming militant atheist. AND Antifa disciple. The beard may symbolize an alliance with Islam OR recent conversion.

Are you at liberty to share reaction from your church or others?

MY TAKE: There appears to be precious little investigation and public dissemination of info or truth in these recent mass murder cases. EVEN THOUGH we are constantly told that every facet of our lives is under extreme scrutiny.

IS IS BECAUSE THE TARGETS ARE CHRISTIAN? CONSERVATIVES? LIKELY GUN OWNERS?

Informative vid and breakdown. Nothing "kooky."

The cops killed him on the spot. Finally the cops are doing their job.

Another MSM lie.

I've been monitoring several different channels, and who shot the lone gunman is still not established.

IF the MSM reports it, it's by default DISINFO.

When they immediately roll out the "Lone Wolf" photo, one can only assume the opposite. It is very possible that The Perp had help. ONCE AGAIN.

And once again the very LAST place to find THE Truth is at ABC/CNN/NBC/Yahoo...and now, even Drudge is highly suspect.

Check his flag and interesting breakdown by this vlogger :

I'm still not convinced that he has muslim terrorist ties since he was an adamant atheist.

I heard one report that claims his ex-wife taught Sunday school at the church and his mother in law attended there as well.

That's interesting...

Could it be that the dude sat in and subbed ONE Sunday, hence Drudge (now an official propagandist) characterized him as "Sunday School teacher" -- as though it was inferred that he regularly did so?

I'm still not convinced that he has muslim terrorist ties since he was an adamant atheist.

I hear ya. There's a definite disconnect obviously there.

But since there are stories afloat that some Antifa have collaborated on "training" with radical Muzzie cells, perhaps the beard is a "nod" to them? BOTH have declared open war on the US.

FWIW, one vlogger caught a screen shot of the Antifa Flag at the perp's now scrubbed FB page.

It's curious that this guy who was court-martialed and banned from owning a gun would openly and brazenly post a photo of an AR at his FB page. You'd think he'd be a LOT more careful. UNLESS...

MOREOVER, if the NSA is monitoring ALL of us, shouldn't we expect a guy like this to be monitored extremely closely?? Same of Paddock given his daddy's history.

I realize there's always speculation and there's still a lot to consider.

Still digesting?

What's your initial feel on this incident?

You mean, of course, how I feel about what I've read about this incident. For all of us, we can only go by the reports.

If true he was a Muslim convert and Antifa member, it seems he may have been inspired by Antifa to engage in violence, and Islam for where to do it. The Vegas shooting probably served as a model and and example for him -- go where there are crowds of people closely packed together. While successful, he chose Texas where lots of people have guns which appears to have been to his ultimate undoing.

He probably crashed his car while escaping because he was losing blood on the way and lost consciousness behind the wheel. Latest reports are he had a hostage with him while escaping who seems was not seriously injured (and fortunately not shot by the pursuing armed civ). That account should be explained a bit.

That's my take.

That an armed civ took this guy down is not good for the gun grabbing establishment, so that would play against any false flag here (not that I'm first to jump on that bandwagon -- far from it).

All in all, I don't yet see any reason for this to be much anything more than has been reported: A lone guy with a violent ideological agenda.

I'm still not convinced that he has muslim terrorist ties since he was an adamant atheist. ---- Deckard

I hear ya. There's a definite disconnect obviously there.

But since there are stories afloat that some Antifa have collaborated on "training" with radical Muzzie cells, perhaps the beard is a "nod" to them?

My experience is there's a pretty fine line between all types of fanatics..

Doesn't take much for the crazies to switch allegiances.

My experience is there's a pretty fine line between all types of fanatics..

Doesn't take much for the crazies to switch allegiances.

I could agree with that.

Fox reports classmates said he was on psych meds while in grade to high school. So there is a potential pharma phactor too.

--- there is a potential pharma phactor too.

You bet. -- You get a fanatical personality type on drugs or booze, god only knows what the next day will bring.

Are you at liberty to share reaction from your church or others?

Was still in church when this happened.

I lived in a similar small town in OK when serving in the military. Population 500, so know this one really hurts.

I'm still not convinced that he has muslim terrorist ties since he was an adamant atheist.

I will check a Christian site I frequent which allows anti theist trolls to post and see if one went silent today.

Most Muslims and atheists hate Christians. The shooter targeted Christians.

As he left, the shooter was confronted by an armed resident who had grabbed his own rifle and exchanged fire with Kelley.

The armed man who confronted Kelley had help from another local resident, Johnnie Langendorff, who said he was driving past the church as the shooting happened. The armed man asked to get in Langendorff’s truck, and the pair followed as the gunman drove away.

“He jumped in my truck and said, ‘He just shot up the church. We need to go get him.’ And I said ‘Let’s go,’” Langendorff said.

The pursuit reached speeds up to 90 (144 kph) mph. The gunman eventually lost control of his vehicle and crashed. The armed man walked up to the vehicle with his gun drawn, and the attacker did not move. Police arrived about five minutes later, Langendorff said.

The assailant was dead in his vehicle. He had three gunshot wounds — two from where the armed man hit him in the leg and the torso and the third self-inflicted wound to the head, authorities said.

“There was no thinking about it. There was just doing. That was the key to all this. Act now. Ask questions later,” Langendorff said.

Church member Nick Uhlig, 34, who was not at Sunday’s service, told the AP that his pregnant cousin and her in-laws were among those killed. He later told the Houston Chronicle that three of his cousin’s children were also slain.

Three weapons were recovered. A Ruger AR-556 rifle was found at the church, and two handguns were found in the gunman’s vehicle, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

apnews.com/eb4edefae08b4b...xt-messages-before-attack

Update

More at link

You've just now reported on this story more than CBS/ABC/NBC and the NYT.

You mean, of course, how I feel about what I've read about this incident. For all of us, we can only go by the reports.

First, thanks for weighing in...

That's where this always gets tricky.

It's essential that we consider independent investigative reports, eyewitness accounts, and aggregate sources....

IF we leave the investigating to the Usual MSM Suspects, we'll never get anywhere.

If true he was a Muslim convert and Antifa member, it seems he may have been inspired by Antifa to engage in violence, and Islam for where to do it.

The Vegas shooting probably served as a model and and example for him -- go where there are crowds of people closely packed together. While successful, he chose Texas where lots of people have guns which appears to have been to his ultimate undoing.

Good insight. I agree.

At minimum, Kelley WAS inspired and emboldened by the Mandalay shooting Op. The NYC Muzzie mow-down; My fear, our fear is always the "Copycat". How many insane hateful progs are at this very moment plotting and planning? The Prog-Antifa hive mindset is very similar to that of Muzzies.

Yes, isn't it interesting in that although the cowardly punk got away with shooting babies point-black as well as other worshiper, an armed Texan made him pay with his life?

We have to presume nearly every church in Texas will now be armed to the teeth. This slaughter merely hardened the resolve of pro-2A Americans.

He probably crashed his car while escaping because he was losing blood on the way and lost consciousness behind the wheel. Latest reports are he had a hostage with him while escaping who seems was not seriously injured (and fortunately not shot by the pursuing armed civ). That account should be explained a bit.

That's my take.

I haven't followed up on the account....But yes, it's a minor miracle that one of our heroes was careful and adept enough to take down the perp without him or the crash seriously harming the hostage. I'd heard one of the vigilantes was an NRA instructor.

That an armed civ took this guy down is not good for the gun grabbing establishment, so that would play against any false flag here (not that I'm first to jump on that bandwagon -- far from it).

Again, I agree. Even I am discounting a direct False Flag in this case...

THAT said, a case CAN be made that 0bama's AF and feral officials purposely allowed Kelley and his insane ilk to BUY GUNS. Why? Let's recall the Fast & Furious Op that was designed exactly to do what Kelley did; Shoot up Americans and become a catalyst for an anti-2A crusade (we are already predictably seeing this, especially on the heels of Mandalay.)

The MSM is mostly mum about whose fault it is that Kelley purchased guns to begin with. 0bama and HIS machination.

All in all, I don't yet see any reason for this to be much anything more than has been reported: A lone guy with a violent ideological agenda.

Here I disagree.

The MSM, Dems' Hollywood and Academe's propagandized Campaign-of-Hate against Trump, Republicans, Whites, Straights, Christians, and Conservatives has bore fruit. Rotten fruit.

This "lone guy" is only the tip of the iceberg.

With many 0bama-holdovers/Statists still deeply entrenched within several positions of power, many of us speculate that the country has been booby-trapped. ONE way to do so is...exactly what we've seen -- aiding and abetting the hateful insane to act out AGAINST conservatives.

My experience is there's a pretty fine line between all types of fanatics..

Doesn't take much for the crazies to switch allegiances.

True.

The common thread between all these subversive, cultist fanatics is:

1) Obsessive Hatred, disrespect and utter contempt of human life
2) Brainwashing AND encouragement by/from the Media, Dems, Hollywood and/or their peers
3) Disconnect with reality
4) Lost souls/Spiritually broken/Projection
5) ZERO compassion, glorification of murder

You bet. -- You get a fanatical personality type on drugs or booze, god only knows what the next day will bring.

Especially with nutty, spiteful, unhinged-to-begin-with Progressives?

How many of these unstable, medicated fanatics are actually TEACHERS and PROFESSORS at public schools and colleges??

Now that Trump has won, and their iconic incendiary Prog heroes are gone (Hitlery and 0bammy), not even their meds can help. (And God forbid they let their prescriptions lapse.)

Was still in church when this happened.

I lived in a similar small town in OK when serving in the military. Population 500, so know this one really hurts.

This one hurt all of us. More than most out there can imagine.

My heart is broken over this.

I will check a Christian site I frequent which allows anti theist trolls to post and see if one went silent today.

Your report, sir? :-)

Most Muslims and atheists hate Christians. The shooter targeted Christians.

That is a fact. Joining that "HATE FUNDIES!!" cult are Statist-Occultists, Illuminati, and Commies.

How many of them were secretly happy to hear about it and the target? TOO MANY. For years they've been targeting Christians as "oppressive," "intolerant," "homophobic," "Islamophobic," and basically sub-human.

I would bet many progs even held parties to celebrate this slaughter IN a church. They'll also cite this as "proof" that "God doesn't care."

Same of the Mandalay slaughter. Some politicians and many progs couldn't hold back their glee that the probable victims of a Country Music concert were likely...conservatives and Trump voters, if not Christians.

Compare and contrast the MSM-em-Hollywood reaction to the gay Miami Beach club shooting and mass murder.

Terrible, tragic incident. That said, though the PERP was a Muzzie, the MSM and usual liberal suspects did not blame the Muzzie, instead choosing to again blame GUNS...

Oh, and the headlines screeched DAILY for weeks while mourning and sympathies went on for MONTHS. Try to find any Academe or MSM empathy like this over Mandalay or this. We won't precisely because the vast majorities of MSM outlets and their staffs are anti-Christian Progressive-Atheists.

I haven't followed up on the account....But yes, it's a minor miracle that one of our heroes was careful and adept enough to take down the perp without him or the crash seriously harming the hostage. I'd heard one of the vigilantes was an NRA instructor.

I listened to an interview of the guy that engaged the shooter. He gave his full account of what happened, including the police arrival after the crash. There was zero mention of any hostage so it's safe to say that was a false report.

Yes, he was an NRA rifle instructor, and did everything he did while barefoot. He and the assisting driver that pursued him stopped him with no police assist at all. It was just one man with a rifle and a second man with a pickup. The whole event definitely shows the power of what one can do with a rifle, whether for evil or for stopping same.

Only other update: The shooter knew the church and some of the congregation. One of the victims was, in fact, his wife's grandmother. So it may not have been religiously motivated, or only partially so.

Yes, he was an NRA rifle instructor, and did everything he did while barefoot.

He and the assisting driver that pursued him stopped him with no police assist at all. It was just one man with a rifle and a second man with a pickup. The whole event definitely shows the power of what one can do with a rifle, whether for evil or for stopping same.

You underscored a couple of important observations and points.

You also underscore the REAL reason for "gun control": COMPLETE CONTROL OF CONSERVATIVES (so the elites have a clear path to enslavement and their One World Gubmint, as in Europe.)