Paddock seems determined to leave behind no evidence and leave a lot of questions, to remain a man of mystery and murder. He was planning for post-massacre fame.

Ho Hum ... This is getting to be SOP for the lone gunman types.

Ho Hum ... This is getting to be SOP for the lone gunman types.

For maybe a fourth of them. The other 75% leaves manifestos, Facebook/Twitter posts, browser history, etc. to explain how the world has wronged them.

I'd say the two types are "Man Of Mystery Berserker" and "Rebel With (Or Without) A Cause".

Turns out the security guard was in Mexico before he turned up on the degenerate show. -- Needless to say, Tucker had some fun with that. He's turning into quite a CT type...

disassembling laptops and removing their hard drives and reassembling them takes some time. Even someone who is fast would take at least a half hour, I think.

I'm guessing that you've never used a bump fire rifle to open up a laptop? It's not like he was trying to preserve the data for future generations. He could smash it an' bash it, whatever it takes.

What with government incompetence and all, it took the FBI/Fusion Center team two weeks or so to "lose" the hard drive. The private sector is much more efficient.

The Fusion Team has come up with so many tall tales, that it's difficult to believe their latest lone wolf stories anymore. Why bother to take out the HD, just lose the whole laptop?

Turns out the security guard was in Mexico before he turned up on the degenerate show. -- Needless to say, Tucker had some fun with that. He's turning into quite a CT type...

Tucker seems to stick to straight reporting and sources on the record with few exceptions.

If the guard was in Mexico, then he was. And it isn't a matter of conspiracy at all. Records will exist of his crossing the border.

Or are border crossing records another form of CT to you?

I'm guessing that you've never used a bump fire rifle to open up a laptop? It's not like he was trying to preserve the data for future generations. He could smash it an' bash it, whatever it takes.

He was using the laptop to watch his security camera(s) that were planted on that maid's cart out in the hallway. So it had to be a working laptop.

No way he had time to fire the volleys, then disassemble/reassemble the laptop, find some way to dispose of the hard drive (not easy).

A LiveCD or a tiny bootable USB flash drive could be crushed with his hammer (we know he had one), and then the pieces flung out one of his broken windows. Or flushed down his toilet.

My explanation is quite reasonable. You OTOH are raving like a drunken kook.

You OTOH are raving like a drunken kook.

Chill out, it's the fusion boys story of a missing HD that I'm running with. Yeah, it doesn't make good sense. With an IP video cam/server you don't need much in the way of data storage to see the picture. Our border surveillance setup was pretty simple. In any case, he may have destroyed the stored data near the end, when it became certain that there was no escape, and time was running out fast.

It probably was an external drive/thumbdrive. He could have removed the built in HD long ago, and just booted up off of the external drive/stick with it's own OS? But that makes the "missing HD" story even more goofy.

It probably was an external drive/thumbdrive. He could have removed the built in HD long ago, and just booted up off of the external drive/stick with it's own OS? But that makes the "missing HD" story even more goofy.

No, it would still be missing. But maybe it is missing because it was an old laptop he used for untrackable purchases and unmonitored use of internet.

Let's say he had an old laptop, the drive fails. He removes the hard drive to see what's wrong, then just decides to use it for a VPN for the internet, web browser, all-around stealthy uses.

And a LiveCD is as reliable and as discreet or more discreet than a USB stick (which can be hacked). The LiveCD could be put in a bag and smashed into tiny pieces with his hammer. Then just wrap the little pieces (1-2" square each) in toilet paper and flush them down in 3-4 flushes. Bam, all the evidence that he used a LiveCD would be gone. The same would hold true for a bootable USB drive of course. Or he could just smash a LiveCD into tiny pieces and throw them out the window. As incompetent as this investigation has been, we can't assume that the FBI would have noticed the CD fragments among the glass fragments from the windows he knocked out to shoot from.

If the guard was in Mexico, then he was. And it isn't a matter of conspiracy at all. Records will exist of his crossing the border.

Or are border crossing records another form of CT to you?

I'll rephrase....

Turns out (the fact is,) the security guard was in Mexico before he turned up on the degenerate show. -- Needless to say, Tucker had some fun with that.

It won't surprise me if you claim he, Tucker, is turning into quite a CT type, or worse yet, try to deny that you've been saying that about a lot of others here at LF.

It won't surprise me if you claim he, Tucker, is turning into quite a CT type, or worse yet, try to deny that you've been saying that about a lot of others here at LF.

No, Tucker is reporting hard news with real sources. Not making up crap based on the ravings of the kooks who post all that crap about Niburu/Planet X (Stone posted their stuff). And some other equally dicey videos were posted by other kooks by posters who should know better, stuff like multiple shooters in the crowd itself, helicopter gunships flying up and down the Vegas Strip machine gunning the crowds, all kinds of crazy stuff that is too stupid to argue with. It's just YouBoob clickbait. And we had some boobs here at LF clicking on it and posting it here and getting all butthurt when it was pointed out to them that they were just rubes for kooks and massacre profiteers. Which they were.

I did finally see all of Tucker's segment. I couldn't find anything to disagree with. It is much the same as I and many others have been saying about this completely incompetent investigation. We really should question whether the FBI has been entirely corrupted with the 0bama/Xlinton political agenda and whether they are still capable of doing any real investigative work that we can rely on.

We really should question whether the FBI has been entirely corrupted with the 0bama/Xlinton political agenda and whether they are still capable of doing any real investigative work that we can rely on.

One of Lou Dobbs guests (a congressman?) just said that the fbi is so compromised that they should be shut down, renamed,and reauthorized.

The shit is hitting the fan.

One of Lou Dobbs guests (a congressman?) just said that the fbi is so compromised that they should be shut down, renamed,and reauthorized.

You know, 0bama had 8 years to wreck that agency along with the Pentagon and others agencies. Maybe things really are that bad. Even the Secret Service is full of drunken whoremongers. Recall those incidents overseas and those two drunk SS guys who crashed their car into the WH gate, no one ever fired either.

Trump needs to break the government unions and re-do the entire civil service. And there is considerable precedent for civil service reform by presidents who came from New York City, at various times itself a veritable hotbed of corrupt government.

It's well known that police look at computers after a crime like this is committed, and he planned this meticulously. Or someone did.

It was stated in the press that the FBI took the computers to Quantico.

What with government incompetence and all, it took the FBI/Fusion Center team two weeks or so to "lose" the hard drive.

It took the FBI very little time to find the hard drive. It took them weeks to decide it had to be "lost."

It took the FBI very little time to find the hard drive. It took them weeks to decide it had to be "lost."

And you base this on what evidence (other than sheer conjecture)?

("The hard drive might have been removed well before the massacre.")

Whether he planned to escape or die, that's perhaps even likely. It's well known that police look at computers after a crime like this is committed, and he planned this meticulously. Or someone did.

Yes, there is little doubt that this operation was meticulously planned. BY WHOMEVER. And since when do people only have ONE single computer?

And how and why would this guy carefully and with great precision set up a video monitoring system that featured his one and only laptop (in the middle of a supposed epic shooting spree??) Accepting the premise of such multi-tasking a midst a mass execution is patently unrealistic.

Q: How can the premise be readily accepted that Paddock is THE Perp? Or that the Op was another "Lone Wolf"??

Once again the Authoritahs have suspiciously and conspicuously failed to provide any proof of their few initial assertions of a narrative that makes absolutely NO sense at all -- specially given the massive Alphabet Agy monitoring and record-keeping resources. The slow, sloppy, purposely-incompetent way this case has been handled discredits the entire investigation.

Needless to say, EVERY single tidbit of piecemeal info that trickles out of several intel/investigative depts can't be believed. The intent here is to stall and fatigue those who are trying to monitor the so-called "investigation." It's sickening.

They've made no mention at all of a smartphone. But with todays phablet-type phones being so large, he could easily use one to monitor his hallway webcam instead of carrying the laptop around with him. And all you need for most webcams is an IP address and maybe a password so it could work just as well with a phone as a laptop.

However, he was surprised by Campos and apparently only shot at the aviation fuel tanks, then saw Campos on the monitor and shot at him through the door and was panicked into firing a bunch of volleys at the crowd before offing himself to avoid capture. So he got very little use of his hallway webcam which was hidden in the hall on a room service cart or maid's cart. Obviously, Paddock had more plans for how things would unfold and Campos wandering in spoiled those and made him change his plans.

Paddock was locked in and alone in the room.

Sez who??

If you aren't aware of it, disassembling laptops and removing their hard drives and reassembling them takes some time. Even someone who is fast would take at least a half hour, I think.

Uh, yeah. IF one is able to focus AS they are mowing down hundreds of human beings, Malmady-style.

Paddock was smart enough to know it is better to leave no tracks. With a LiveCD, you can be sure there are no cookies, not hidden supercookies, no viruses, no trojans or remote control botnet programs, etc.

Whoa pardner. On WHAT authoritah do you claim this to be THE case and truth of the matter? And on what grounds or proof is there to accept with NO questions asked, Paddock as THE perp? Seriously? Kindly cite your sources for what you deem as the truth of the above.

Paddock seems determined to leave behind no evidence and leave a lot of questions, to remain a man of mystery and murder. He was planning for post-massacre fame.

"Man of Mystery" will remain THE narrative until The Second Coming. The Authoritahs obviously have NO intention of revealing the truth in this case.

Now either you are very naive, TC, OR, for some reason seem ever inclined to connect phantom dots while selling every single "official" narrative -- even when there are holes in stories that are simply implausible; AND a investigation that is CLEARLY bungled worst than if a bunch of Inspector Clouseaus were running it.

In conclusion, it takes the maximum of the suspension of all logic and common sense to believe an "official" narrative that frankly insults the intelligence of any thinking man. THESE are the SAME people who couldn't indict Hitlery. Holder. Clinton. 0bama. For a myriad of slam-dunk charges. AND submitted the "Dossier."

What's THAT tell you, TC??

Whoa pardner. On WHAT authoritah do you claim this to be THE case and truth of the matter? And on what grounds or proof is there to accept with NO questions asked, Paddock as THE perp? Seriously? Kindly cite your sources for what you deem as the truth of the above.

All the reporting is pretty consistent that Paddock was a lone shooter.

I'm not the one with a compulsive contrarian need to invent CTs out of thin air.

Paddock seems determined to leave behind no evidence and leave a lot of questions, to remain a man of mystery and murder. He was planning for post-massacre fame.

How do you even know there was a guy named Paddock? How do you know that there was a massacre at all? Maybe it's all just a CIA disinformation campaign. Maybe it was all staged with a few thousand "crisis actors". Maybe the lady taxi driver was the top star among the CIA "crisis actors", huh?

The CTs are annoying in that they accept the premise of these massacre reports entirely but then proceed to just make shit up. But if the officials and media and bystanders are all so easily deceived or conned into supporting the Big Lie, why do you believe any of it? You have no rational basis for doing so. You're just picking and choosing facts to believe or disbelieve on a more or less random basis.

In conclusion, it takes the maximum of the suspension of all logic and common sense to believe an "official" narrative that frankly insults the intelligence of any thinking man. THESE are the SAME people who couldn't indict Hitlery. Holder. Clinton. 0bama. For a myriad of slam-dunk charges. AND submitted the "Dossier."

What's THAT tell you, TC??

It tells me that you mix apples and oranges without any apparent awareness of why it is a mistake to do so. Hitlery has nothing to do with Vegas. At best, any mention of her muddies the waters further.

Ho Hum ... This is getting to be SOP for the lone gunman types.

Yup.

It conveniently eliminates the need to connect any further dots. WHILE dismissing the notion of a "conspiracy." Cuz considering "conspiracies" is naughty and calls into account REAL investigations that just might expose certain conspirators.

The following vid has been scrubbed for the most part...

A projecting, guilty George W. Bush?:

"LET US NEVER TOLERATE OUTRAGEOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES CONCERNING THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11th...MALICIOUS LIES THAT ATTEMPT TO SHIFT THE BLAME AWAY FROM THE TERRORISTS THEMSELVES, AWAY FROM THE GUILTY..."

All the reporting is pretty consistent that Paddock was a lone shooter.

Again -- all this "reporting" cites WHOM as their official source?? Not a trick question.

I'm not the one with a compulsive contrarian need to invent CTs out of thin air.

Did it ever occur to you that YOU are the "contrarian"?

What's to "invent"? There are ZERO corroborative facts released THAT CAN BE PROVEN.

You've got Keystone Cops conducting the sloppiest major investigation in history despite possessing unprecedented tools. EVERYTHING is conjecture -- including your dot-connecting. That makes YOU the paranoid "conspiracist."

["What's THAT (the SAME people who couldn't indict Hitlery. Holder. Clinton. 0bama. For a myriad of slam-dunk charges) tell you, TC??"]

It tells me that you mix apples and oranges without any apparent awareness of why it is a mistake to do so. Hitlery has nothing to do with Vegas. At best, any mention of her muddies the waters further.

Nice spin.

Too bad the truth CLEARLY tells us that AS A RULE, fedgoob "Investigators" selectively "investigate" perps and cases as a matter of political expediency while masking motives and obvious guilt.

Are you now also going to claim that 0bama's IRS, Feebs, NSA, EPA, etc did NOT specifically target conservative and Republicans?? Or didn't fail to indict Hitlery, Lynch and 0bama after that quid pro quo tarmac incident?

How do you even know there was a guy named Paddock? How do you know that there was a massacre at all? Maybe it's all just a CIA disinformation campaign. Maybe it was all staged with a few thousand "crisis actors".

Nice try. Wait; That's pathetic. That's the best you have??

What won't you say and spin to shield the actual truth from leaking? You ALWAYS give the benefit of doubt to "Investigators" and implausible narratives backed by shreds and tiny shards of proof. WHY??

Again -- all this "reporting" cites WHOM as their official source?? Not a trick question.

The FBI and the Clark County sheriff and all the news media? These are the same people whose reports you embellish to arrive at your wacky theories (along with some YouBoob videos whose source you cannot vouch for at all).

You've got Keystone Cops conducting the sloppiest major investigation in history despite possessing unprecedented tools. EVERYTHING is conjecture -- including your dot-connecting. That makes YOU the paranoid "conspiracist."

Uh-huh. Accuse others of what you do. No one is impressed with such a cheap and obvious accusation.

Nice spin.

I thought so. It's still true.

What won't you say and spin to shield the actual truth from leaking? You ALWAYS give the benefit of doubt to "Investigators" and implausible narratives backed by shreds and tiny shards of proof. WHY??

You mean, unlike you who gives credence to any kooks who can float some clickbait videos to try to make money off the rubes on YouBoob? Like the Niburu/Planet X kooks?

The FBI and the Clark County sheriff and all the news media?

The SAME feebs (lead by Comey) who couldn't/wouldn't indict Hitlery despite MOUNTAINS of proof that she's a criminal?

So your sources of "truth" are the very SAME "news media" that lies through it's teeth every day to sabotage an undermine the truth (SEE "Journ-O-Listers"), AND of whom colluded with the DNC to give debate question to Hillary?

The SAME Sheriff who IMMEDIATELY declared there was "MORE than one shooter"? And who in his presser shook like a leaf,eventually crying at another?

Well...good luck with that.

the Niburu/Planet X kooks?

If you want to use the above ridiculous low-end lunacy as your example of investigative reporting (outside YOUR precious NYT, WaPo, and ABC "News" and already discredited feeb colluders) then it's crystal clear where you stand.

Maybe they'll produce more real info soon. I'm not holding my breath.

Clearly, we need numerous firings at the FBI if they can't do better than what we've seen after so much time has passed.

There's no point in just retyping all the stuff we've already said.

The missing hard drive has been attributed to the cunning skill of the unknown second shooter. After he completed his rampage on the concert, he scaled the glass walls of the Hotel to the 32nd floor, climbed into Paddock's room through one of the broken windows and murdered Paddock. He took the hard drive thus avoiding Jesus, who was still waiting in the hallway.

Escaping from the ever-reaching firm grip of the LVPD the unknown second shooter climbed out of the same window and scaled back down the hotel glass walls. He fled into the panicked crowd.

The missing hard drive has been attributed to the cunning skill of the unknown second shooter. After he completed his rampage on the concert, he scaled the glass walls of the Hotel to the 32nd floor, climbed into Paddock's room through one of the broken windows and murdered Paddock. He took the hard drive thus avoiding Jesus, who was still waiting in the hallway.

Well, it is a conspiracy theory...

I'll have to think about that one.

Are we sure he didn't have a parachute so he could just fly away unnoticed?

He was using the laptop to watch his security camera(s) that were planted on that maid's cart out in the hallway. So it had to be a working laptop.

Presumably that or a smart phone.

No way he had time to fire the volleys, then disassemble/reassemble the laptop, find some way to dispose of the hard drive (not easy).

Agreed.

A LiveCD or a tiny bootable USB flash drive could be crushed with his hammer (we know he had one), and then the pieces flung out one of his broken windows. Or flushed down his toilet.

First, he needs a motive to go through the trouble. Wtih a live CD, why bother? And if you try breaking up a CD and flushing it down the toilet, odds are it would clog it up unless it was pretty decently pulverized. Throwing it out the window is no good. I'm sure that debris would be carefully sifted through, as some bullet casings may have gone out the window too. Sure, a smaller flash drive could probably be flushed without problem, but surely if Paddock's computer was found without a HD, then some evidence of a bootable drive would likely be found instead. Bottom line, there has to be a motive for Paddock to take each and every step he took.

And the system after booting up on a flash or CD would need to be able to work with the cameras. If it takes some configing, then that would be a drawback on the theory.

You can ridicule so-called "conspiracy theories" if you like. That's fine, but the fact remains that we have very little word from the police as to the raw facts of the case. Bullet casing counts, what kind of magazines for which weapons were found, and so on. And this Campos guy is acting a bit funny too, though perhaps taht's to be expected after finding himself a person of national interest in this horrific event. Maybe.

First, he needs a motive to go through the trouble. Wtih a live CD, why bother? And if you try breaking up a CD and flushing it down the toilet, odds are it would clog it up unless it was pretty decently pulverized. Throwing it out the window is no good. I'm sure that debris would be carefully sifted through, as some bullet casings may have gone out the window too. Sure, a smaller flash drive could probably be flushed without problem, but surely if Paddock's computer was found without a HD, then some evidence of a bootable drive would likely be found instead. Bottom line, there has to be a motive for Paddock to take each and every step he took.

Not sure if you read my other posts but I did some debunking of my own LiveCD theory along these lines in previous posts. A lot of motive to be a Man Of Mystery so it isn't so satisfying once you start to think about it.

And the system after booting up on a flash or CD would need to be able to work with the cameras. If it takes some configing, then that would be a drawback on the theory.

Nearly all of them just need an IP address and password. Common as dirt.

That's fine, but the fact remains that we have very little word from the police as to the raw facts of the case. Bullet casing counts, what kind of magazines for which weapons were found, and so on. And this Campos guy is acting a bit funny too, though perhaps taht's to be expected after finding himself a person of national interest in this horrific event. Maybe.

I"ve certainly decried the absolutely miserable spectacle of the FBI's handling of this on many threads.

Campos may be an illegal, fearing repercussions. And his exit to Mexico is suspicious. The Mandalay has a lot to worry about with him. If he is an illegal and/or he lacks a security guard license from the state of Nevada, Mandalay will be on the hook with bloodthirsty lawyers for victims for having an unqualified guard in their hotel or even an unqualified guard who is also an illegal alien. Those lawyers will no doubt argue that a properly licensed guard would have acted more effectively to end the massacre or to interrupt it more than just hiding until Paddock got tired of shooting. This is why Campos only gave one interview and only to a bought-and-paid Mandalay whore mouthpiece, Ellen Degenerate. The Mandalay may as well just hand over the keys to the hotel to the lawyers for the victims.

Apparently, Nevada licenses both armed and unarmed security guards according to some professional training sites I looked at.

And you base this on what evidence (other than sheer conjecture)?

Evidence that I have not gone senile yet. The very first thing they do in computer forensics is mirror the hard drive and write block it. Then they work off the mirror image. Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart, Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, Fourth Edition, Curse Technology, Cengage Learning, 2010, page 174,

Processing and Handling Digital Evidence You must maintain the integrity of digital evidence in the lab as you do when collecting it in the field. Your first task is to preserve the disk data. If you have a suspect computer that hasn't been copied with an imaging tool, you must crete a copy. When you do, be sure to make the suspect drive read only (typically by write-blocking device), and document this step.

Whatever. If that's your position, we don't have much to discuss at all.

The problem with subscribing to many different CTs to explain the world is that you quickly snowball into a requirement of tens of thousands or even millions of conspirators plotting to keep the truth from the public. It would include witnesses to the events, victims (crisis actors), relatives, police, EMTs, doctors/nurses/hospitabls, morticians/staff, coroners... the list is huge even for just one supposed false-flag event like Vegas.

But if that is the case, why do you watch the news at all? If they can fake Vegas (and the JFK assassination and the moon landing and 9/11 and Newtown and aliens at Roswell, etc.), then they can just fake anything so nothing is newsworthy at all.

Then they work off the mirror image. Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart, Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, Fourth Edition, Curse Technology, Cengage Learning, 2010, page 174,

Do you own that book or have access to a physical copy of it? How do you know it's not a fake book intended to deceive people like you trying to penetrate the veil of secrecy that apparently is the primary work of the entire federal government? If you just found that off the internet, you can't prove there is a book or that it was written by persons named Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart.

And you think that proves that the FBI made the hard drive disappear deliberately.

It means they have known for about four weeks that they did not have the hard drive.

Then they work off the mirror image. Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart, Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, Fourth Edition, Curse Technology, Cengage Learning, 2010, page 174,

Do you own that book or have access to a physical copy of it? How do you know it's not a fake book intended to deceive people like you trying to penetrate the veil of secrecy that apparently is the primary work of the entire federal government? If you just found that off the internet, you can't prove there is a book or that it was written by persons named Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart.

I own that book, physical copy, and more on the topic of computer forensics. I do not believe all my books are fake, or that they cannot be found at places like Amazon or Barnes & Noble. However, you are entitled to your conspiracy theory kookery that I have suddenly begun inventing sources.

I also own a physical copy of the companion book, Lab Manual for Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, by Andrew Blitz, 2011. This covers use of the AccessData ProDiscover imaging tool, and states at page 46,

Lab 4.1 Data Acquisition in ProDiscover

Objectives

During the process of seizing a storage device, investigators use imaging tools to create a forensic copy that can be safely analyzed without the danger of damaging or deleting potential evidence. The forensic image is an exact copy of the original evidence, including any unallocated space or bad clusters. In addition, the imaging process creates a hash signature of the original and the duplicated copy to validate the scientific imaging process and ensure that no file has been omitted or changed in any way. The two hash signatures are compared with each other, and if they match, the copy is considered legally identical to the original. The forensic copy maintains the chain of custody from the time the seized device was imaged until the end of the investigation. In addition, the information obtained by the various tools applied to the evidence will be listed in a report that can be examined during the trial by investigators and court personnel.

I also own a physical copy of Eoghan Casey, Computer Evidence and Computer Crime, Forensic Science, Computers and the Internet, Third Edition, Elsevier, 2011. Chapter 6, section 3, para 6.3.4, page 210 states;

To many practitioners in digital forensics, the preservation step is where digitla forensics begins. It is generally the first stage in the proces that employs commonly used tools of a particular type. The output of this state is usually a set of duplicate copies of all sources of digital data. This output provides investigators with two categories of exhibits. First, the original material is cataloged and stored in a proper environmentally controlled location, in an unmodified state. Second, an exact duplicate of the original material is created that will be srutiniz3ed as the investigation continues.

I also own a physical copy of Steve Bunting, EnCE, The Official EnCase^® Certified Examiner Study Guide, Second Edition, Sybex, 2008. At page 110 it states,

Following best forensics practices, I typically conduct examinations or analyses on copies of the original evidence. In this manner, I preserve the original, protecting it from alteration or corruption. The copy of the original evidence is more commonly called an image. For this image to be a copy and the legal equivalent of the original, it must represent a duplicate image of the original. This, every one and zero on the original must be replicated on the copy or image. In this chapter, I'll discuss the various methods of acquiring the original evidence and rendering from it an image upon which you can conduct your forensic examinations.

EnCase^® is used to create usable evidence files, commonly called images.

This is the first step in the lab. If the computer is found in an on state, the first step is to photograph a clear copy the screen to document the on state. Other concerns, such as the on computer being networked, create some more to document before turning the computer offf and taking it to the lab.

I also own a physical copy of EC-Council|Press, Computer Forensics, Investigation Procedures and Response, Volume 1 of 5 mapping to C|HFI™, Computer Hacking Forensic Investigator Certification, Course Technology, CENGAGE Learning, 2010, which states at page 3-17,

Evidence Examination

For digital evidence, forensic principles are generally enforced. The National Institute of Justice (2004) describes these principles. Depending on the type of case and media, the corresponding examination methodologies are used. Proper training must be given to those who conduct examinations.

For conducting examinations, examiners must:

• Use accepted forensic procedures.

• Avoid using the original evidence.

Analysis of recovered data involves interpreting the data and putting it into a logical and useful format (for example, determining how the evidence got there, what it means, and where it came from). Analysis is the phase in which acquired data turns to evidence. When conducting the evidence examination, the following steps should be taken into consideration:

• Preparation: This allows the investigator to prepare the working directory or directories on separate media so that evidentiary files and data can be recovered or extracted.

• Extraction: There are two different types of extraction, physical and logical. The physical extraction phase identifies and recovers the data across the entire physical drive without regard to the file system. The logical extraction phase identifies and recovers files and data based on installed operating system(s), file system(s), and/or application(s).

Proper forensic holds, (1) "examiners must use accepted procedures, and (2) avoid using the original evidence." They make a copy of the zeros and ones on the original media that is verified. One of the verifications is a hash analysis.

The problem with subscribing to many different CTs to explain the world is that you quickly snowball into a requirement of tens of thousands or even millions of conspirators plotting to keep the truth from the public. It would include witnesses to the events, victims (crisis actors), relatives, police, EMTs, doctors/nurses/hospitabls, morticians/staff, coroners... the list is huge even for just one supposed false-flag event like Vegas.

I have said nothing of Las Vegas having been a false flag event.

I have said nothing of Las Vegas having been a false flag event.

Good. Then you aren't a full-blown kook.

It means they have known for about four weeks that they did not have the hard drive.

They did some major clampdown on releasing any info. Apparently, the mean comments on Twitter were making the Clark county sheriff cry too much or something.

So given how any info has been reduced to a trickle, maybe it isn't a surprise that it took weeks for the missing hard drive to be mentioned to the public.

We have no other info on whether the laptop was found powered on or not. If it was booted with a LiveCD or USB flash drive, then Paddock would have had to shut it off. Maybe he would but you have to wonder if his desire to be a Man Of Mystery was strong enough as he prepared to shoot himself in the head after shooting over 500 people.

The missing hard drive has been attributed to the cunning skill of the unknown second shooter. After he completed his rampage on the concert, he scaled the glass walls of the Hotel to the 32nd floor, climbed into Paddock's room through one of the broken windows and murdered Paddock. He took the hard drive thus avoiding Jesus, who was still waiting in the hallway.

Escaping from the ever-reaching firm grip of the LVPD the unknown second shooter climbed out of the same window and scaled back down the hotel glass walls. He fled into the panicked crowd.

Yes...that's IF we accept the movie-like premise of Mission Impossible-like planning and skills from a second shooter. AND the premise that there was any such laptop in the alleged perp's room; Paddock is presumed to be THE prime perp; AND premise that destroying the hard drive would be the priority of a deranged madman. AS he was spraying a crowd of thousands with thousands of rounds of ammo. Talk about multi-tasking.

("I have said nothing of Las Vegas having been a false flag event.")

Good. Then you aren't a full-blown kook.

Lol@ The Erasure engaging in a Alinsky-ite blitzkrieg of "KOOOOK!!"

Someone here counted the number of instances TC used the word "kook" since Vegas." I find it hard to believe, and haven't counted myself, but I hear it's near a hundred.

And btw, this case has ALL the gravy and trimmings that make up a "False Flag." (It's not our fault The Mechanics make it obvious. And you connect Official Fairy Tale phantom dots.)

We have no other info on whether the laptop was found powered on or not. If it was booted with a LiveCD or USB flash drive, then Paddock would have had to shut it off. Maybe he would but you have to wonder if his desire to be a Man Of Mystery was strong enough as he prepared to shoot himself in the head after shooting over 500 people.

We don't have evidence that Paddock was using a LiveCD or USB flash drive. He did not have to shut it off, the computer could have been found in the on state.

He could have wanted to be a Man of Mystery because he was an asset of the ATF/FBI/CIA or somesuch acting as an arms dealer. He seemed to do well for someone with no claim to employment.

There is no compelling evidence that Paddock shot anyone, or that he shot himself. If it was Paddock's body, somebody shot him.

So far, there is an official story with little evidence provided.

There is no compelling evidence that Paddock shot anyone, or that he shot himself. If it was Paddock's body, somebody shot him.

Well, you can always just make up crap and believe any old thing that you like.

If so, why do you bother to watch or read news at all? Isn't everything just a Big Fake by the Illuminati or by Them (you know, Them!)?

Someone here counted the number of instances TC used the word "kook" since Vegas." I find it hard to believe, and haven't counted myself, but I hear it's near a hundred.

Really? Who did you hear this from? No one told me they were counting the number of times I (accurately) applied the word 'kook' to various nutjobs here at LF.

Or did you just make up this claim, like you just make up lots of your CT material?

Someone here counted the number of instances TC used the word "kook" since Vegas." I find it hard to believe, and haven't counted myself, but I hear it's near a hundred.

I'll call that hundred and bet the actual number is more nearly double that...

And don't ask me to do the count. I'm not THAT kooky....

And you think that proves that the FBI made the hard drive disappear deliberately.

Whatever. If that's your position, we don't have much to discuss at all.

Aaah, but apparently we do. As evidenced by this thread as well as many others HERE as well as on the entire interweb, lit up like a pinball machine over the non-specificity, vagueness, yet un-proven claims made by "authorities."

You yourself have speculated and engaged in quite a few theories as to what happened; No, you don't refer to YOUR theories as "conspiratorial," but aren't they? Unless you have definitive proof that there was indeed a "Paddock," and he indeed pulled off this op ALONE.

conspiracy:

a secret plan made by two or more people to do something bad, illegal, or against someone’s wishes

(Source: Cambridge Dictionary)

The problem with subscribing to many different CTs to explain the world is that you quickly snowball into a requirement of tens of thousands or even millions of conspirators plotting to keep the truth from the public.

Not necessarily...

...and NOT if the tasks are compartmentalized. The roles subbed-out. And key players/witnesses/patsies ELIMINATED from the equation. Yes, purely speculation here. But based on circumstantial evidence and eyewitness testimony.

You'll find a very sizable number people who've never believed the Warren Commission conclusion regarded JFK's assassination as the work of JUST Oswald and JUST one single bullet and shooter. For good reason: Precisely because THE MATH DOESN'T WORK. It's simply implausible. And the single-bullet/assassin account defies the law of physics.

It [all major False Flag events] would include witnesses to the events, victims (crisis actors), relatives, police, EMTs, doctors/nurses/hospitabls, morticians/staff, coroners... the list is huge even for just one supposed false-flag event like Vegas.

Yes, operations like this would require many actors (everyone is aware that requests for "crisis actors" and companies who provide them exist and advertise.) Ops would also require directors AND scripts, wouldn't they? And massive training grounds.

HOW could such events be pulled off? Here's a solution:

CrisisCast

http://crisiscast.com/

"Award winning role play actors and film makers specially trained in disaster and crisis management.

"We dramatise events for emerging security needs in the UK, Middle East and worldwide.

"Our specialist role play actors – many with security clearance – are trained by behavioural psychologists and rigorously rehearsed in criminal and victim behaviour to help police, the army and the emergency services, hospitals, schools, local authorities, government, private security firms, shopping centres, airports, big business, criminal justice departments, media and the military to simulate incident environments for life saving procedures.

"We use state of the art British film industry techniques, props and special effects to help trainers deliver essential, hands-on, high octane crisis response and disaster management training. We also work with trainee doctors, psychologists and care professionals."

Large Scale Incidents

"We can provide up to 400 actors, fully trained and rehearsed along with professional teams that look after make-up, prosthetics, pyrotechnics, wardrobe, special effects, covert and aerial footage. ​

"Our specially trained professional role-play actors and internationally credited film crews bring realistic, informed, crisis management and disaster incidents to life. as a company we use state of the art uk and Australian film crafts, tricks and skills for live training that requires hyper real battlefield effects, role players, stunts, medical simulations and combat flashpoints. ​

"We are able to use specialist film techniques and disciplines to bring the best of theatre and film to our live, immersive simulations."

Why do you watch the news at all? If they can fake Vegas (and the JFK assassination and the moon landing and 9/11 and Newtown and aliens at Roswell, etc.), then they can just fake anything so nothing is newsworthy at all.

Kinda hard to wrap your head around it all, ain't it?

Since the "news" reporting is now simply an overt propaganda arm of the gubmint, many have indeed tuned out the "news," or regard it for what it is: Disinfo, Diversion, and Brainwashing. The Media's cred is practically null.

NEW REALITY: Practically ANY event can be staged. The above 'Crisis Cast' and "Roleplay" company claims it can "provide up to 400 actors" on site. MANY of whom (as mentioned above) possess "SECURITY CLEARANCE."

Hmmm....This particular "Crisis Management" company mentions "security clearance" as one of its featured advantages for its clients...

COULD IT BE that this "Crisis Management" outfit is actually just a gubmint subsidiary framed as a private company? One wouldn't think the demand for such bloody theatrics was so great.

Oh wait: Newtown...Boston Marathon...Vegas....

To be clear, no one is claiming that in operations like this people don't actually get shot or die (which necessarily evokes very uncomfortable questions AND answers of companies like this, and of events as in Newtown, and especially in Vegas and the Boston Marathon.)

The blurring of reality and fairy tale can no longer be discerned.

In this "Emergency" simulation, 2,000 people are said to be involved.

No wonder subversive Hollywood is married to subversive DC. It's a match made in...heaven Hell.

COULD IT BE that this "Crisis Management" outfit is actually just a gubmint subsidiary framed as a private company? One wouldn't think the demand for such bloody theatrics was so great.

Oh wait: Newtown...Boston Marathon...Vegas....

You just can't stop, can you?

I suppose that is the defining characteristic of an Internet kook.

You just can't stop, can you?

You couldn't bring yourself to read the post and examine the Crisis Cast company outfit and how it helps you learn how the process works?

TC, you are in a state of clinical acute denial. I feel bad for you. Really.

I'm sorry to bust your bubble. Your safe paradigm of reality just doesn't exist.

You're going to have to eventually put down your cup of hot cocoa and put on your Big-Boy pants.

going to have to eventually put down your cup of hot cocoa and put on your Big-Boy pants

TC, you are in a state of clinical acute denial. I feel bad for you. Really.

Sheep are gonna sheeple, regardless of circumstances....

Sheep are gonna sheeple, regardless of circumstances....

I do understand why and how people are immersed in a state of cognitive dissonance. I get it. It's "safer."

I can only theorize that maybe the psychological realization that the goob is actually fronting beddy beddy bad men might spiral deniers of the truth into a form of PTSD. Moreover, the Truth destroys some of the traditional "heroes" of youth: GOVERNMENT. PRESIDENTS. SENATORS. THE "GOOD GUYS" WHO PROTECT US. Turns out that most of these former "heroes" are rancid.

"GOOD GUYS" and Patriots still very much exist; The problem is the agendae of theirs and our overlord elites. They must destroy the system and start all over again.

The disturbing revelations of the elites future plan and how they've managed to undermine the taken-for-granted safety of the past is why embracing nostalgia is so big these days. As is escapism.

The days of yore before the internet represented the last true days of bliss. One either discovered the dark truth by delving into deep research, via newsletters or books.

These days, EVERYONE can't help but be bombarded by bad news. Victims. And an epidemic of the deranged. After all, the PsyOp requires the sheeple live in a constant state of fear, loathing, and paranoia (and for good reason, unfortunately.) Once upon a time no so long ago, many of these people were locked up at sanitariums. No longer is that the case.

Most of us would have preferred to remain in a safe bubble, in a past state of ignorant bliss. Life was much simpler NOT knowing the truth. But as close observers of the culture and seekers of truth it's just not possible these days.

I do understand why and how people are immersed in a state of cognitive dissonance. I get it. It's "safer."

Ah, you are so brave.

I suppose you have to have compensatory beliefs to explain away why your kook lifestyle drives everyone away from you other than your fellow-kooks.

kook lifestyle

Anyone who posts as many articles from the Weekly Standard as you do, is a kO0k!