Given the "video game" motive, seeing a big fuel tank explode into flames would be a "cool" thing. But it was nighttime and it was at extremely long range, so he would have been uncertain that his shots were even hitting the tanks. Without any immediate gratification after a few shots, he turned his attention back to people.

No, with a scope, he would have seen when he hit the tanks.

We know that two of these shots did hit the tank, one bullet penetrating and one bouncing off. He undoubtedly was using a scoped rifle and would not have missed a 6' fireball when the bullets hit the tank.

He shot, hit the tank a couple of times, concluded it wasn't going to explode, then moved on to his main target.

That security guard panicked him, ruined his timetable all around.

He's claiming to have "proof" that he doesn't present - luring folks into clicking on his video, which is monetized.

That's FRAUD.

Adams may be wrong about some things, and probably is as we all are. But personally, I think he's right about a lot of things too.

That might just mean that you're gullible.

Remember what P.T. Barnum always said.

No, with a scope, he would have seen when he hit the tanks.

Remember this is, for all intents, a combat situation. Time if of the essence. If the tanks were all he was targeting, then fine, but if his goal is death and mayhem, taking that kind of shooting care costs time, and would be counter productive to his goal. He takes a couple shots. Nothing? Okay forget it, he concludes, and resumes targeting people. I think we agree on that. I hadn't heard he used incendiary rounds on the tanks.

That security guard panicked him, ruined his timetable all around.

I agree on this also. The guard was not part of the plan. Perhaps this guy had everything "over planned" and did not allow for the possibility of anything not going as he expected it to, and once that happened, he couldn't handle it. He was smart enough to do all this meticulous planning, but failed to realize that in an uncontrolled environment, unexpected things can happen during plan execution.

That might just mean that you're gullible.

Maybe I am. I would say though that the most gullible people are the people who think they are not.

Maybe I am. I would say though that the most gullible people are the people who think they are not.

I'm not sure exactly how that Bell curve is distributed.

Everyone is gullible about something. But a known grifter and CT peddler is another thing. That's a snake oil salesman.

Notice how Adams switched from his usual baloney and now presents himself as a ballistics expert. And he's mostly just rehashing other CT videos that he found on YouBoob. He even admits it.

 

psy·cho·sis

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noun

1. a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality.
2.  
3. [The Architects of Western Decline:
4. A Study on the Frankfurt School and Cultural Marxism]
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"According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either  ideological subversion , active measures, or  psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.

 

It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.

 

The first stage being "demoralization". It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism.

 

Most of the activity of the department [KGB] was to compile huge amount / volume of information, on individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion.  Publisher, editors, journalists, uh actors, educationalists, professors of political science.  Members of parliament, representatives of business circles. 

 

Most of these people were divided roughly into two groups:  those who would tow the Soviet foreign policy, they would be promoted to positions of power through media and public manipulation;  [and] those who refuse the Soviet influence in their own country would be character assassinated OR executed physically, come Revolution.  "

--KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov

--Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)

Notice how Adams switched from his usual baloney and now presents himself as a ballistics expert.

My first reaction when I saw the "Health Ranger" chiming in on the LV shooting was, as I pointed out, that he should stick to the field he's known for and not venture out into unrelated fields. It reminded me of G Edward Griffin, author of the book on the Federal Reserve. Seemingly well researched in that area, he apparently also made some public claims about how to fight cancer. Mentioning it to a guy I knew who had cancer issues (who has since died) the response was that Griffin should stick with federal reserve topics.

Still, I gave the video a listen and he does claim to be an avid shooting enthusiast. And apart from my own critique of the assumption that all shots used the same caliber weapon, his presentation does seem authoritative and free of "flat earth" type of argument fallacy.

I prefer to judge arguments people make without regard to the reputation of the person arguing them. Obviously there are limits when someone has already ruined their reputation like so many forum posters have, but still, that's my preference. With Adams, apparently he's already crossed that line with you, but not for me. Which is fine.

his presentation does seem authoritative

He's a buzzword and bullshyte artist.

I've cleaned up after more than one self-processed software "architect" whose work product failed to produce results - despite being able to regurgitate the latest fashionable vocabulary.

"Can you not see the emperor's new clothes?"

I prefer to judge arguments people make without regard to the reputation of the person arguing them

I prefer to judge their arguments based upon actual data.

Please fill in the params on this balistic calculator with the correct REAL values?

http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi

You can't - and neither can Mr."Healthranger".

Thus, his buzzword and bullshyte "analysis" does not compile into "PROOF" - and his title is misleading, fraudulent, falsely advertised, click bait

In the context of postmodern "culture" where significant number of indivuals are so ignorant of (or even repelled by) science -- that they "believe" they can change their sex....

I'm unsure if they believe they can "change their sex" so much as they believe they already are, internally, of the opposite gender. It's not like they wake up one day and decide that they want to try something different by being a girl/boy.

Someone posted either here or on 4um a theory on at least the prevalence contemporary homosexuality, and that is that birth control pills might carry some of the blame. The theory goes, and supposedly has been demonstrated with rats, is that when a woman takes birth control pills, it screws up her hormones to have the desired effect of preventing pregnancy. When she comes off them, it takes time for her body to recover, but if she gets pregnant too soon, then the fetus is affected abnormally.

This offspring suffers no direct effects however. But then the chance of that child's children (i.e. the grand child of the woman who took BC pills) being homosexual is greatly increased.

Whether that's a cause or not, it does basically serve as a reminder that we do live in a chemical world which didn't exist 100 years ago, and enormous chemical exposure could be a factor in human development. Obviously homosexuality has existed for thousands of years so it couldn't be the only cause of it.

Now on transgenderism, I could give my own theory about that but it would be spiritually based, and though it makes a lot of sense to me, it's perhaps not welcome, so I'll not bother suggesting it.

 they believe they already are, internally, of the opposite gender.

Meanwhile, in reality land:  XX, XY, (and for a very small geneticaly malformed minority who are XXY etc) other .

Every Human is ONE of those at birth and, despite the latest fashionable Anti-Fa-LGBTQXYZWherever Transhumanist- Postgenderist, Newpeak - that. IS. Reality.

XX + XX = FAIL

XY + XY = FAIL

XX + XY = Human

Every Human is ONE of those at birth and, despite the latest fashionable Anti-Fa-LGBTQXYZWherever Transhumanist- Postgenderist, Newpeak - that. IS. Reality.

As I see it, we are more than "human". We are souls living in human bodies, and the soul makes up the bulk of our personality. If one believes that our human DNA defines all that we are, then yes, no further discussion is required.

Well, several billion years of BINARY natural selection speaks for itself.

YMMV.

XX + XX = FAIL

XY + XY = FAIL

XX + XY = Human

Well, several billion years of BINARY natural selection speaks for itself.

XX + XX = FAIL

XY + XY = FAIL

XX + XY = Human

Well, in the case of humans, true. But it's not true with all biological life, which if you subscribe to evolution, should perhaps be noted.

If I understood correctly, with some reptiles, they can have XX or XY or YX or YY chromes. If it's XY or YX, it's female. If XX or YY it's male.

One theory about how remote islands in the Pacific were populated suggests that a single female could cross the ocean and make landfall. Then it can have offspring without mating, meaning the offspring are all male, having either XX or YY chromes. Then the offspring could mate with their mother, generating both males and females. Kinda gross by human standards but hey, if that's what gets the species proliferated...

Just goes to show that relying on DNA XY chromes may not ultimately be an authoritative position.

So in nature, the line between male and female is not very straight, (no pun intended).

...by a kook. A kook who wants to make money off ads on YouBoob peddling CTs to even more gullible kooks.

But *you're* not always "peddling" a ridiculous discredited gubmint's, "Nothing to see here" CYA BS? That seems awfully "k00ky" to me.

The question here is whether it is plausible to consider elements within The Swamp are willing to do something/ANYTHING to sabotage the 2A or US Security in order to promote *their* agenda. After all, they operate in secrecy. With impunity and immunity. And appear married to the DNC, the MSM, and UN. As a sensible person, I'm sure you can do the math there.

Q: Whenever there are theories and heavy-duty circumstantial evidence that demonstrate *plausible* explanations for the inexplicable, why must you reflexively ALWAYS dismiss it? I'm hardly the only one who's always found that conspicuously odd. But since this isn't FR, a difference of opinion is expected.

However, there's doubt you've even delved a hair deep into analyzing this case (other than buying the gubmint's scripted SOS and MSM obfuscation.)

I suppose you believe TWA Flight 800 was just some mid-air "mishap" despite eyewitnesses to the contrary?

OR...0bama's Fast & Furious Op, the Benghazi Op, or IRS harassment of Tea Party organizers were just CTs too, right?

Well guess what? PROVEN: The SAME goob you respect and claim must be trusted on their version of events and speaks the truth...has as a rule conducted bogus investigation, lies and spins. REPEATEDLY.

This same gubmint whose version of "truth" YOU trust with all your heart is the VERY SAME gubmint whose Deep State and Swamp-Muck policies have over the decades purposely exposed regular Americans to damaging/fatal radiation, disease, and political saboteurs (Muzzies); protected and shielded the Klintoons and their shenanigans; AND made it crystal clear President Trump/MAGA = BAD, and Comrade 0bammy/Klintoon/Globalist-First = GOOD.

So...help me here. WHY can or should this goob be considered credible or trust-worthy any more than Alex Jones?

By what basis should we believe them? Over "investigations" about anything? Especially given the last 8 years under a Marxist/Alinsky-Disciple whose lack of historical transcripts and past, un-confirmed BC, collateral coincidental deaths (a la Klintoon), and elections are highly suspicious to begin with?

Since 1992 and Bubba's ridiculous election win over a sandbagging Poppy, it truly take the suspension of ALL logic to accept Swamp Critter versions of "troof" as gospel.

Kook on.

I'm not going to explore all these brave new worlds of kookery that you enjoy so much.

Much easier that way, eh?

Thought not.

Citing more kookeries doesn't actually help your case in proving a particular kookery, like this one from Natural News. But you'd know that if you weren't kooking out.

I will note that your anger...

I wouldn't waste an emotion like "anger" on your self-voluntary shilling for gubmint narratives. It's more like incredulity. The same emotion as with any zombie-fied Cultist...

That said, your reflexive reaction is typical of one whose "reality" is more wishful thinking than anything else.

Maybe that whole, "Santa is not real. REALLY, son!" spiel you heard in high school scarred you :-(

But I think there's a flaw in his analysis, and that is that all the math is based on the premise that the second shooter was firing .223 rounds just as Paddock was. Adams even admits early in the video that the distance & shot report tables is different for different types of rounds.

He likely used other calibers than .223 too, which makes his conclusion of a second shooter worthless. Even if he used .223 there's no guarantee that all of the ammo was 55gr bullets.

He's proved nothing. He's cherry picked one caliber, bullet weight, barrel length, twist and loading, to get hits to his crappy website.

I'm not saying that there wasn't more than one shooter, only that Adams hasn't proved it with his phony analysis.

Did you know that he has two gas chromatographs?

WHOA! Do his go to ELEVEN?

WHOA! Do his go to ELEVEN?

They can go as high as he wants.

WHOA! Do his go to ELEVEN?

Hehe... A reference to "Spinal Tap", no doubt.

Still funny....

Well, in the case of humans, true.

Uhuh. But don't tell the pronoun-challenged Transumanist-Postgenderists that... in California.

Hehe... A reference to "Spinal Tap", no doubt.

'Zactly!

He's claiming to have "proof" that he doesn't present - luring folks into clicking on his video, which is monetized.

That's FRAUD.

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Google already delisted his websites entirely.

Have you actually tried to google it?

Funny, entering healthranger.com into google yields this link. It it supposed to yield no result?

https://www.google.com/search?q=healthranger.com&oq=healthranger.com&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0.390751.399119.0.402145.19.18.1.0.0.0.119.1560.14j3.18.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.18.1569.0..0i131k1j0i67k1j0i10k1j0i10i30k1.80.HuDbfmMh_yo

You obviously don't understand what delisting is.

It means it won't show up in a google search. It is removed from the index. If it is not in the index, it cannot be found in the index. If it is still there, it is not delisted.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/delisting.html

You obviously don't understand what delisting is.

If KlingonBurger.com got delisted then they wouldn't show up in a search for "healthy burgers in gamma quadrant 4"

That kinda how it works?

If KlingonBurger.com

You still pushing the teleportion echo theory I see.

Paddock teleporting around shooting and your Klingon pic there to teleport him back and forth as he pleases.

You still pushing the teleportion echo theory I see.

Paddock teleporting around shooting and your Klingon pic there to teleport him back and forth as he pleases.

There's as much evidence for that as there is "PROOF!" that Paddock wasn't the only murderer.

That security guard panicked him, ruined his timetable all around.

Agreed

The rest of this amateur hour sleuthing via YouBoob videos is just a distraction.

I've responded and or handled many high profile crime scenes... and over the following weeks until the full incident is reported by LE, I've heard the most retarded conspiracy theories... when I know what actually happened. It's not even laughable.

I've responded and or handled many high profile crime scenes... and over the following weeks until the full incident is reported by LE, I've heard the most retarded conspiracy theories... when I know what actually happened. It's not even laughable.

A lot of the CT peddlers know full well they're hawking complete BS. But their objective is monetizing videos on YouBoob and driving clicks to their clickbaity websites.

We're seeing a steady stream of these frauds and their fanbois here at LF, from the Niburu/Planet X people to that Health Ranger idiot. So of course only idiocy can result from discussing any of it.

There are a lot of unanswered questions about Vegas. Hopefully, some of that will be cleared up tomorrow if they produce their big timeline and evidence dump as promised.

Found this interesting video.

Adams assumes a shooter using an AR-15 with .223 Remington 55 grain ammo.

He states 20% humidity.

He states a 925 m/s bullet velocity which is ~3034.8 fps.

He specifies a 16.5" barrel, but a 3034.8 fps initial velocity would seem to indicate a 20" barrel or different ammo.

I believe the white board has an error. The flight time should be 0.532s, not 0.528s.

It lists both the 400 yard flight time and the lag time as 0.528s. This would mean the bullet velocity was precisely double the speed of sound, and that double 0.528s, or 1.056s would be the 400 yard travel time for the speed of sound. The time of sound travel for 400 yards at 1130 fps is 1.062.

http://gundata.org/blog/post/223-ballistics-chart/

He cites his use of a gundata ballistics chart for travel time.

gundata indicates for 400 yards, the time of travel is 5.32s, specifying a standard 55gr Remington .223 bullet leaving the barrel at 3,215fps. Adams also specified a 16.5 inch barrel, but it seems an AR-15 with a 16.5 barrel does not achieve 3,215 initial velocity.

https://rifleshooter.com/2014/04/223-remington5-56-nato-velocity-versus-barrel-length-a-man-his-chop-box-and-his-friends-rifle/

Testing with different barrel lengths indicates an AR-15, 16.5" barrel, with Remington .223 ammo, does not achieve 3,034.8 muzzle ("initial") velocity.

With a 20" barrel, the same setup gets 3,071 fps muzzle velocity.

A 25" barrel gets it up to 3,221 fps muzzle velocity.

A 16.5" with Federal M193/55 gets 3,187 fps muzzle velocity.

http://guide.sportsmansguide.com/ballistic-chart/remington_charts/223rembal.htm

A ballistics chart indicates that a Remington .223 will not get the stated bullet velocity.

Assuming the shots were fired from room 32135, and that end of the Mandalay Bay Hotel was 1208 feet from the base of the bandstand, and that a bullet struck the pavement at or near the base of the bandstand, the long side a right triangle would be 1208 feet and the short side would be the height of room 32135.

The building claims a height of 480 feet and 44 stories, for an average of 10.91 feet per story. The 32nd floor would be 338.21 feet up. (31 x 10.91, base of floor 1 has zero height).

With sides of 1208 and 338.21, the hypotenuse would be 1254.45 feet.

The actual distance the bullet traveled would be more than that as it would not follow a straight path, but would follow an arc.

Using estimates of distance to striking the venue surface of ~1250 feet, and detected lag times of 0.559 sec and 0.374 sec, the slower bullet made the 0.374 lag time; the faster bullet arrived .559 sec before the muzzle blast.

At 1130 fps, the sound would cover 1250 feet in about 1.106 seconds.

A bullet making the 1250 ft trip .559 sec before the sound, made the trip in .547 sec.

A bullet making the 1250 ft trip .374 sec before the sound, made the trip in .732 sec.

1250 feet in .547 sec is an avg velocity of ~2236 fps.

1250 feet in .732 sec is an avg velocity of ~1708 fps.

This assumes both shots were taken from the same location.

What bullets were used can be ascertained by collecting the bullets. What was left in the room should be inventoried, along with what guns were in the room.

http://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/showthread.php?267715-308-Ammo-Help/page2

Thread: 308 Ammo Help

Most mfgs recommend a minimum velocity of 1800 fps for proper expansion. The so called "magic number" associate with elk hunting is 1200 lb ft Energy. Below that is risky and I prefer 1400 lb ft as my personal standard. Although every gun is different the ammo mfg. Will put their tested numbers out for their loads. According to Federal their TBT 165 gr out of a 308 maintains 1939 fps and 1377 lb ft at 500 yards. Mathematically that should do the job as long as the bullet hits it's mark. Federal lists the same weight game King at 1708 FPS and 1069 ft lb at 500 yards. Obviously not the best option. If you keep 400 yards and in either a 150 or 165 gr factory loaded bonded round should work fine on elk. You just need to find the one that goes exactly where you want it to every time you press the trigger.

This would suggest the possibility of the 1708 fps round being a .308 (or whatever else gets around 1708 fps at 400 - 450 yards.

http://gundata.org/blog/post/223-ballistics-chart/

This is a .223 ballistics chart (external) generated using our ballistic trajectory calculator. Based off a standard 55gr bullet leaving the barrel at 3,215fps and follows the bullet trajectory all the way to 1000 yards in steps of 50 yard increments. The charting shows the range, drop (based off a 1.5" scope mount), current velocity, energy, and time in seconds in relation to the bullets movement through space and time. This chart does not account for atmospheric conditions, so if you want to take in to effect these things check out the calculators official page. The Ballistic Coefficient for the .223 Remington, Remington Metal Case, 55gr is 0.202 (in this example) but, but may also range from .185 bc to .257

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.223 Remington, Remington Metal Case, 55gr.

400 yards
-31.7981 [drop, inches]
1588 [Velocity]
308 [energy]
532 [time, milliseconds]

This ballistics chart indicates .532 seconds for 400 yards, at 1588 velocity.

.532 seconds would indicate 2255.6 average velocity for the 400 yards, and the velocity of the bullet leaving the barrel is specified at 3215 fps.

What was left in the room should be inventoried, along with what guns were in the room.

Keyword: "SHOULD"

Based on ballistics data, there are apparently unexplained inconsistencies. Now how can the science be explained away? (Oh wait -- it was already done in spades over 911.)

Why should we expect the same investigative agencies who ignored every shred of slam-dunk evidence regarding Hitlery (on a myriad of rock-solid federal charges) would EVER honestly investigate this case? Especially IF The Truth is politically incendiary?

Here's the bottom line:

Alphabet Agencies have a severe credibility problem that dates back at LEAST to Flight 800. Or even further -- past The Keith Hernandez Magic Loogie Incident, way back to JFK. This Cred-Gap was on full display during Hitlery's Hearing(s), as well as during their "RUSSIA-TRUMP RUSSIA-TRUMP RUSSIA-TRUMP!!" obsession and charade (that still percolates.)

We will NEVER get any definite truth out of these people on this case -- especially because THE Truth exposes every OTHER lie The Sheeple have been told, and because The Usual Suspects are involved.

Now how can the science be explained away? (Oh wait -- it was already done in spades over 911.)

In the Kennedy case, they not only sold a magic bullet, they sold that they took Oswald into custody but kept no reord of any question asked or any answer given, and Oswald was killed while in police custody by mafia good Jack Ruby who just happened to walk in off the street into the police HQ where Oswald was kept, and just happened to arrive as they were walking Oswald to a car for transfer, and Ruby felt so bad for Jackie that he just pulled out his gun and killed Oswald live, on national television.

You are so anal you MUST be a reloader/target shooter.

If not,you owe it to yourself to become one.

You were BORN to be one.

Come home,to where you belong.

Chances are you will develop a love-hate relationship with trap and skeet shooting,too.

I believe the white board has an error. The flight time should be 0.532s, not 0.528s.

Well you're smarter than I am.

Plus there's the little problem that he doesn't present any actual audio evidence.

I'm not saying there was one gunman or many. Just that your image doesn't prove shit.

Just that your image doesn't prove shit.

My meme references, measures, and explains actual audio.

An analysis of two sequential burts of gunfire between:
["Taxi Driver Video" the Zapruder Film of the Las Vegas shooting UNCUT / UNEDITED]
https://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=mBbOFwWquAw&feature=youtu.be&t=1m7s
and
https://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=mBbOFwWquAw&feature=youtu.be&t=1m24s

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T1: Time from start of video (1minute N seconds) at the time of the last shot in the burst.
T2: Time from the start of the video (1minute N seconds) at the time of the echoed sound event corresponding to T1.
TempF: the air temperature (72 degrees F)  
FPS:   1130 ft per second -- The speed of sound at 72 degrees F
Elapsed Time:  T2 minus T1, the number of seconds between the last shot, and the echo of the last shot in each burst.  
Total Distance:  Elapsed Time * FPS = the total distance traveled between T1 and T2.
Echo Distance  = The distance the echo traveled from the aiming point back to the point of origin.
===============

Conclusion:  Burst B is NOT two weapons being fired simultaneously.  It is one weapon being fired at a more distant target.  The longer distance, observable in the period between Burst B's T1 and T2, manifests a corresponding longer period of reverb.  It is the reverb that is being incorrectly interpreted as a second weapon (and second shooter) firing at the same time.

Research resources:
https://www.google.co m/search?biw=1544&bih=856&q=Forensic+Acoustics+gunfire
http://www.physic sclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/er.cfm
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/las- vegas/historic
http://www.csgnetwork.c om/soundspeedcalc.html

All numbers he pulled out of his arse?

Plus there's the little problem that he doesn't present any actual audio evidence.

The audio he used is presented.

Your chartoon is an absurdity.

The audio he used is presented.

LOL. He scribbled on a whiteboard.

The amplitude graphs of the audio referenced on my meme can be reproduced by anyone with minimal tools. It's REPRODUCIBLE - that's what differentiates valid science from conspiratorial buffoonery.

Show us the actual amplitude graphs or STFU.