The latest on Las Vegas mass shooting
By M.L. NESTEL
ABC News
Oct 9, 2017, 6:55 PM ET
[Video at link]
It has been a week since Stephen Paddock, a 64-year-old retired accountant and high-stakes video poker player, unloaded on 22,000 country music fans from his 32nd-floor suite in Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Resort moored on the citys Sunset Strip, killing 58 people and wounding hundreds before fatally shooting himself in the head.
Here are some of the latest details:
Security guard shot before concert shooting began
On Monday, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo announced a change to the sequence of events that occurred on Oct. 1, saying a security guard who encountered Paddock was actually shot at 9:59 p.m. local time, minutes before the 64-year-old unleashed a hail of gunfire on unsuspecting concertgoers.
Previously, authorities had said that the security guard, Jesus Campos, was shot after Paddock had opened fire on the crowd below.
Lombardo said Campos immediately reported to hotel security that he had been shot. However, responding officers did not know Campos had been shot until they arrived on the 32nd floor and encountered him, Lombardo said.
It's unclear what ultimately led Paddock to stop shooting at the people below. Officials had originally thought that Campos distracted him.
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#1: nolu chan To: All (#0)
Hmmm... hotel security just left him laying there for about 20 mins and didn't tell the cops. Did hotel security tell the cops to go to that floor and forget they had a man down on that floor?
nolu chan posted on 2017-10-10 02:53:54 Reply Private Reply
#2: nolu chan To: All (#0)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-09/vegas-massacre-narrative-changes-gunman-shot-security-guard-opening-fire-crowd
nolu chan posted on 2017-10-10 03:02:38 Reply Private Reply
#3: nolu chan To: All (#0)
This Press Conference is just so last Friday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLIAuvpdRTc&feature=youtu.be
Friday Press Conference on 1 October Shooting Incident
Las Vegas Metropolitan Police
Published on Oct 6, 2017
LVMPD Undersheriff Kevin McMahill with the latest information on the 1 October mass shooting incident.
nolu chan posted on 2017-10-10 03:17:21 Reply Private Reply
#4: buckeroo To: nolu chan (#1)
I wonder what happened to the 6 minutes in Mandalay Bay. Doughnut break tyme?
buckeroo posted on 2017-10-10 08:10:21 Reply Private Reply
#5: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#0)
And it only took them a week to discover this fact and announce it.
Apparently the Keystone Kops are running the sheriff's office in Vegas.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-10-10 08:49:55 Reply Private Reply
#6: buckeroo To: Tooconservative (#5)
Mandalay Bay has all that data NOT the Sheriff. After the data is fully collected, it must go through further analysis and verification.
A week seems about right to get the FACTS straight.
buckeroo posted on 2017-10-10 09:11:10 Reply Private Reply
#7: nolu chan To: Tooconservative (#5)
Nah, the FBI. Notice the previous b.s. story came from the undersheriff. He was a good little boy who said what the FBI wanted him to say.
This was the return of the sheriff, the guy who had opined that Paddock must have had help at some point. He looked like he wanted to say more, but choking back information he had been told not to reveal.
This revelation implies there is no video of the hallway, or they took five days to look at the video of the hallway.
As the security guard no is longer responsible for the cops arrival at the 32nd floor, they went there because REASONS.
The security guard called control and said he is shot and they just let him lie there. Security control does not even inform the cops they have a security guard shot.
And then the cops took an hour to breach the door.
The one thing they are fairly certain of is that it was a lone nut, unassisted by anybody.
nolu chan posted on 2017-10-10 13:51:59 Reply Private Reply
#8: nolu chan To: buckeroo, Tooconservative (#6)
Bullshit. The FBI took it all the first day.
nolu chan posted on 2017-10-10 13:52:57 Reply Private Reply
#9: nolu chan To: buckeroo (#4)
That was the hour they took to breach the door after getting to the 32nd floor.
nolu chan posted on 2017-10-10 13:54:11 Reply Private Reply
#10: buckeroo To: nolu chan (#8)
Good question, nolu. I am glad you asked. There is no immediate answer but I can wager that Mandalay Bay will be sued to the point of non-existence in the near future.
buckeroo posted on 2017-10-10 15:04:33 Reply Private Reply
#11: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#7)
I recall reporting the first days after the shooting that the guard had gone up and down the hallway on that floor, knocking and trying to get people out. I never read how many he got to evacuate though.
Given how long it took the cops to get there, you have to wonder why the guard didn't get on the elevator and go downstairs to get medical help.
And are you suggesting that security control at the hotel was complicit? If they didn't tell the cops, that is their own fault.
I think you're verging into CT territory here.
By the time the cops got there, there was already a considerable amount of auto gunfire coming out of that room and they knew it. They also had no idea whether someone with full-auto weapons would boobytrap the room, whether the perp was even still in the room.
So to be safe, they used explosives, apparently to blow open the double-doors to the suite (the room used to shoot at the fuel tanks also had a door into the hallway, on the right side of the hallway as you walk to the double doors to the suite.
A portion of that hour was probably used waiting for the explosives to arrive, likely from a SWAT team or even a bomb disposal unit. Surely you don't imagine that cops in LV actually carry explosives on them at all times. So when they call for explosives to blow the doors open, how long does it take for those to arrive? A half-hour?
Tooconservative posted on 2017-10-10 15:13:29 Reply Private Reply
#12: VxH To: Tooconservative (#11)
My understanding is there was concern regarding first responders being trapped in the elevators - should those elevators be disabled by an explosion or whatever. That's supposedly why they took the stairs.
Maybe the guard had similar reasoning. Couldn't very well walk down the stairs with his injury. Also maybe his continued presence inhibited Paddock's movement somewhat.
VxH posted on 2017-10-10 15:21:06 Reply Private Reply
#13: Tooconservative To: VxH (#12)
Well, the guard had just used the elevator to come check the door alarm on another room so surely he could have used it to go back down. This was before the auto-fire started after all. Those elevators are not easy to open and sabotage.
I did edit and add a bit more on the hour delay for the cops to enter the room in my previous post. You might glance through it.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-10-10 15:30:41 Reply Private Reply
#14: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#8)
You know this how? You make it sound like they're just using some old tape system from the Eighties. That seems unlikely.
These big hotels probably have servers of their own for their security system and would also likely use a cloud backup like Amazon for their system.
I doubt very much if the FBI seized and hauled away their servers. Or that they didn't have a continuous off-site backup of their system. This is good legal strategy for them all around, for instance in anything involving their liability with customers or helping to track undesirables on the premises (prostitutes, burglars, etc.).
Tooconservative posted on 2017-10-10 15:37:16 Reply Private Reply
#15: Hondo68 To: Tooconservative, Officer Safety cowards, LVPD (#11)
Not safe at all, people continued to get killed and wounded and they knew it was happening!
Their job is to take a bullet or get blown up if necessary, to protect We The People, and the cowardly LVPD failed miserably. They could have stopped it, but "Officer Safety" was their #1 priority, not doing their job.
They should fire the whole police department, and replace it with Jesus Campos!
Hondo68 posted on 2017-10-10 18:13:10 Reply Private Reply
#16: nolu chan To: Tooconservative (#14)
I read it, don't recall where, but it is SOP. When the FBI (or any Fed agency) moves in, they grab all they can. The general idea is that they have the resources to process all that evidence in a timely manner, and the locals do not.
nolu chan posted on 2017-10-10 18:41:11 Reply Private Reply
#17: nolu chan To: Tooconservative (#14)
I doubt very much that is necessary.
nolu chan posted on 2017-10-10 18:43:07 Reply Private Reply
#18: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#16)
Certainly, TV crime dramas constantly push that line. In real life, it doesn't necessarily work that way.
There are crimes that do automatically federalize an investigation. Those elements are missing here. There were no conspirators evident or suspected, all the preparations for the crime were conducted legally, state lines or national borders were not crossed to conduct the crime, there was no political agenda or credible claim by a terrorist group, etc.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-10-10 20:38:39 Reply Private Reply
#19: nolu chan To: Tooconservative (#18)
There are 59 dead and hundreds injured. Three dead would be a mass killing.
The authorization for the FBI for mass killings (3 or more in a single incident) is at 28 U.S.C. 530C(b)(1)(M). The FBI can also respond to active shooter incidents, which was also present in Las Vegas. Unless the locals are prepared to handle 59 dead and 489 injured in a single event, they invite the Feds in. Unless the evidence is given to the feds, the state must process it. They do not have the resources available. Consider interviewing 489 victims, collecting and processing 800 rounds, dozens of guns, etc. Look at any of the pictures of people at the music venue collecting stuff. It is a bunch of FBI agents. Chain of custody paperwork would take the LVPD forever.
https://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-28/part-ii/chapter-31/sec.-530c/
28 U.S.C. 530C(b)(1)
See the "Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012" for the source of the codified statute provision. It followed Sandy Hook.
It leads to stories like this:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-searching-nevada-house-las-vegas-gunman/story?id=50358660
The FBI is out executing federal search warrants, collecting and processing evidence.
I did not say the investigation was federalized. I said the FBI took the evidence. They took it for processing. They are processing evidence at Quantico.
nolu chan posted on 2017-10-11 05:50:59 Reply Private Reply
#20: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#19)
It's probably just as well. Nevada is a notoriously corrupt state. That Clark County sheriff is a prime example of the kind of cops they have there.
The sheriff or local prosecutor did still have to request the FBI.
It seems that the purpose of the statute you quoted was to regulate FBI help to various jurisdictions. Namely, the FBI can't refuse to help if requested in any shooting of 3 or more victims.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-10-11 08:22:15 Reply Private Reply